15:00:56 <x1sc0> #startmeeting 15:00:57 <IZBot> Meeting started Tue Feb 12 15:00:56 2019 UTC. The chair is x1sc0. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:58 <IZBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:13 <x1sc0> Hello everyone 15:01:47 <x1sc0> #topic rollcall 15:01:53 <x1sc0> anyone around for the meeting 15:01:58 <djredaux> Here 15:02:07 <buovjaga> yes 15:02:38 <x1sc0> I'm sorry it was shifted but I was travelling last 2 weeks 15:02:50 <x1sc0> due to FOSDEM 15:04:00 <x1sc0> #topic regular tasks 15:04:22 <x1sc0> so, is there anyone you would like to propose for the contributors group access ? 15:04:43 <x1sc0> I think NISZ team should be added 15:05:03 <x1sc0> buovjaga ?? 15:05:09 <buovjaga> x1sc0: true. I think I could contact Durgapriyanka about it and share the flowchart 15:05:49 <x1sc0> Durgapriyanka has been really active recently 15:06:07 <x1sc0> my only concern is that she only confirms bugs 15:06:08 <buovjaga> Yep. In December and last month I have given her various little bits of advice & feedback 15:06:16 <x1sc0> without checking with older versions 15:06:44 <x1sc0> but yeah, she can have group access 15:06:53 <x1sc0> do you think we should notify this people with an email ? 15:07:01 <x1sc0> these* 15:07:17 <buovjaga> probably, if it has not been discussed with them 15:07:29 <buovjaga> sharing the flowchart https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg 15:07:51 <x1sc0> #link https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg 15:07:55 <buovjaga> plus some advice to just use common sense 15:08:15 <x1sc0> ok, I'll do so 15:08:20 <x1sc0> anyone else ? 15:08:36 <djredaux> #agreed 15:09:51 <buovjaga> I wish we had someone else :) 15:10:11 <x1sc0> 2 every month is not bad 15:10:54 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> I see you anyway, but can't fast write 15:11:41 <x1sc0> any wiki page that needs an urgent update? 15:12:15 <x1sc0> bearon mentioned we should create one for screen recording 15:12:47 <x1sc0> check the different options out there and collect them in the wiki 15:13:00 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> I agree on that. Would be very helpfull 15:13:04 <x1sc0> so we can point reported to it 15:13:13 <x1sc0> #todo screencast wiki page 15:13:20 <buovjaga> Nothing urgent. I will look more into the bisect skipping thing inspired by what Christian said yesterday. To figure out what strategy to suggest in what situation. 15:14:00 <cloph> #info screen recording is built-in to gnome, ctrl+alt+shift+R, same to stop (there'll be indicator in top bar) 15:14:19 <x1sc0> cloph, thanks 15:14:26 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> New video on how to... Bibisect, build LO would be usefull also 15:14:52 <x1sc0> in my case, I use simplescreenrecorder 15:14:58 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan yes, Xisco can use the bibisecting tutorial to record the video :) 15:15:00 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Video, how to send bug report 15:15:10 <x1sc0> we should collect them for the different platforms anyway 15:15:34 <x1sc0> bibisecting video tutorial is in my todo list 15:15:55 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Something short and easy 15:16:07 <x1sc0> I promise I'll do it as soon I can dedicate some time to it 15:16:22 <x1sc0> yep, then we can ask translators to add subtitles 15:16:29 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan it is easy https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisecting_tutorial 15:16:48 <x1sc0> probably I ask Mike Saunders to speak, he has a sexier voice 15:16:52 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Very easy 15:16:55 <buovjaga> yeah you need to write a narration script - remember, you don't have to speak while recording the video 15:16:58 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Yeah, i know, but it is easy video than text 15:17:11 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> It took me 2 weeks with text 15:17:34 <x1sc0> regarding 'how to report bugs', kompi shared this video today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7_T_tbGAM&feature=youtu.be 15:17:35 <IZBot> YouTube - How to Report Inkscape Bugs in GitLab by: Inkscape 15:17:39 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> And 1 hour after I seen a very old youtube video 15:17:46 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan I meant the bibisecting case in the tuto is easy, so good for the vid 15:18:09 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Yes 15:18:15 <x1sc0> it's really nice, but it requires graphic skills 15:18:17 <x1sc0> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7_T_tbGAM&feature=youtu.be 15:18:18 <IZBot> YouTube - How to Report Inkscape Bugs in GitLab by: Inkscape 15:18:55 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> I want to make short tutorials on LO but is very hard with time 15:19:08 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> We have cool designers, Andreas and Rizal, may be they can help 15:19:14 <buovjaga> I don't think we need any of those fancy pants graphics 15:19:49 <djredaux> No, but it is always nice to give a good impression. 15:20:03 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Of course 15:20:08 <buovjaga> what we need is a good narration script, so we can redo the video with drastic UI changes in whatever application 15:22:02 <x1sc0> initially we decided to wait until Bugzilla's UI would get revamped, but it seems it is taking longer than expected 15:22:10 <x1sc0> we can do it with the current Bugzilla 15:22:32 <x1sc0> then, we just update the video 15:22:37 <djredaux> It would be nice to have a common style if you are looking at making a set of videos. Which could include a common intro/exit segment. 15:23:23 <djredaux> which could be delivered to whomever is making the video as pre-existing videos/graphics. 15:23:34 <buovjaga> a Street Fighter style 3D battle with QA team member and bug monster 15:23:53 <x1sc0> yep, I'll take with Mike S. about it, he's the one making all the new features videos 15:23:53 <djredaux> LOL - not quite that maybe. 15:24:08 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> :D 15:24:12 <x1sc0> xDD 15:24:13 <buovjaga> can be Mortal Kombat, too, I'm ok with that 15:24:31 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Afk 15:25:03 <djredaux> Or a healer/doctor type theme. 15:25:28 <buovjaga> Alien theme, with bug leaping out of stomach? 15:26:03 * buovjaga takes his sedative pills 15:26:07 <x1sc0> haha why not, we just need someone to make them 15:27:26 <x1sc0> let's move on 15:27:48 <buovjaga> they can be left for version 2.0 of the video, let's do a minimum viable product first 15:28:23 <x1sc0> yep, absolutely, something useful, not fancy 15:29:45 <x1sc0> just a reminder, please do not forget to add yourself to https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief if you did something worth to mention this month 15:30:04 <x1sc0> then, it will be mention in the monthly report 15:30:19 <x1sc0> sometimes it's difficult to know what everyone is doing 15:30:27 <x1sc0> and it's a pitty not to mention it 15:30:28 <djredaux> Do you have a day of the month when that needs to be in? 15:30:41 <x1sc0> by the end of the month 15:30:49 <djredaux> OK 15:31:07 <x1sc0> I write the blog after the months ends 15:33:10 <buovjaga> so.. Bug Hunting Session is the next topic? 15:34:20 <x1sc0> yep, I added it to the regular tasks list 15:34:36 <x1sc0> nothing to mention at the moment 15:34:46 <x1sc0> it's planned for LibreOffice 6.3 alpha1 15:35:04 <x1sc0> we don't have a date yet 15:35:11 <buovjaga> ok I could talk about the little shell script I wrote 15:35:22 <x1sc0> but around April 15:35:38 <x1sc0> buovjaga, what for ? 15:36:38 <buovjaga> As our version history gets longer and longer, it is becoming more and more tedious to do initial regression testing. We know the interop tool is a thing, but Áron had the idea to use --convert-to to produced pdfs using multiple LibO installations. 15:37:24 <buovjaga> So over the last weekend, I created such a script. Since then, I have bombarded Áron with new versions, last one was today. 15:37:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 123407] Copy in Date-Cells from XLSX to ODS <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123407> || [Bug 123408] the sum of this selection is wrong, an offset of 1/100. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123408> 15:37:43 <x1sc0> is it public ? 15:37:45 <buovjaga> I have given him the holy mission to go over it and put it in dev-tools 15:38:27 <buovjaga> x1sc0: current version is here https://uploadfiles.io/labe7 15:39:27 <buovjaga> so, it can do 1) fileopen -> PDF 2) filesave to original format -> PDF 3) filesave to different format -> PDF 15:39:55 <buovjaga> with the filesaves, you have the opportunity to inspect the document formats in addition to PDFs 15:40:03 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so it convert the files in different versions of LibreOffice ? 15:40:21 <buovjaga> x1sc0: yep, I made it use a separate .config file to make things clearer 15:40:45 <buovjaga> after today's small fix, it should work on Unix as well (I focused so much on cygwin) 15:40:59 <x1sc0> nice 15:41:22 <x1sc0> it would be nice to have a unique pdf output 15:41:23 <buovjaga> outDir in the config just has to have a trailing slash, that's all - I ran into a cool Windows version bug, that Mike K. had fixed quite recently! 15:41:39 <x1sc0> side by side, with a label of each version, to see differences 15:42:12 <buovjaga> yep, exactly: you can name the label how you want in the config file, also with "fresh" and "master" as you are updating those all the time 15:42:41 <buovjaga> I will send it to NISZ for sure after we have battle tested it more 15:43:21 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so right now you get differents pdf as outputs or just one ? 15:43:35 <buovjaga> different ones 15:44:53 <buovjaga> I thought shell script would be a cool, minimal solution. For sure I want to try the interop tool one of these days :) 15:44:54 <x1sc0> buovjaga, once I thought of a similar script. Maybe we could add a button to bugzilla to generate those files automatically... 15:44:57 <x1sc0> just a though 15:45:10 <buovjaga> aah, on the server, yeah! nice idea 15:45:27 <buovjaga> you are thinking big :D 15:46:12 <x1sc0> yep, I thought about one year ago, but I never carried it out 15:47:06 <x1sc0> we could show this button only to contributors... 15:47:23 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so you want to put it in dev-tools ? 15:48:03 <buovjaga> Yep, Áron suggested it. I try to control myself and not do any more changes and let him work on it now. 15:48:29 <x1sc0> great, we already have a qa folder -> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/qa 15:48:41 <x1sc0> if you want to put it in there 15:50:21 <x1sc0> well, and into the last topic, which I wrote incorrectly in the agenda 15:50:32 <x1sc0> #topic unconfirmed bugs 15:51:04 <x1sc0> so, after libreoffice 6.2 release, we are having many new reports 15:51:24 <x1sc0> and the number of unconfirmed bugs has increased a lot 15:51:32 <x1sc0> #link https://imgur.com/a/S1meBBZ 15:52:06 <x1sc0> so, I would like to ask everyone to help a bit with it 15:52:35 <x1sc0> this week I'm spending quite some time on it 15:53:06 <x1sc0> however, I'm taking some time off the next 3 weeks 15:53:34 <buovjaga> I am following in the footsteps of Durgapriyanka and analysing the reports she commented in :) Mostly NISZ ones! The script is starting to help a lot 15:54:02 <buovjaga> yep, you need some time off so you can continue thinking big :) 15:54:25 <buovjaga> and not be lost in the bug swarm all the time 15:54:32 <djredaux> Having been unavailable for the last couple of weeks I'm back with some time, will put an effort into unconfirmed Calc bugs. 15:54:33 <x1sc0> idealy it should remain below 600 15:54:41 <x1sc0> or even better, below 500 15:55:11 <buovjaga> yes, that is what the doctor recommends 15:55:18 <x1sc0> hehe 15:56:47 <x1sc0> it goes without saying, I'm very thankful for the effort you put in the project 15:57:28 <x1sc0> any other thing you want to mention before we close the meeting ? 15:57:59 <x1sc0> buovjaga, I'm looking forward to using your script 15:58:14 <buovjaga> cool :) 15:59:26 <x1sc0> well, let's close the meeting. Thank you everyone for attending 15:59:55 <x1sc0> next meeting will be the last Tuesday of March 16:00:06 <x1sc0> #endmeeting