15:30:27 <x1sc0> #startmeeting
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15:30:39 <x1sc0> so let's get started
15:30:39 <sophi> hi all!
15:31:15 <x1sc0> #topic rollcall
15:31:19 <x1sc0> hi sophi
15:31:44 <x1sc0> anyone else here for the meeting? deneb_alpha buovjaga djredaux bearon ?
15:31:57 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, pong
15:31:59 <bearon> hey
15:32:32 <x1sc0> welcome
15:33:39 <x1sc0> sorry for the delay, but unfortunately I couldn't start it at 15:00
15:34:45 <x1sc0> # BHS for LibreOffice 6.1 alpha 1
15:34:50 <x1sc0> #topic BHS for LibreOffice 6.1 alpha 1
15:35:18 <x1sc0> so, just a reminder, next friday 27, we will have our first BHS for LibreOffice 6.1
15:35:26 <x1sc0> please add youself to the list
15:35:55 <x1sc0> #link https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHuntingSession/6.1.0Alpha#Participants
15:36:15 <x1sc0> deneb_alpha, you're not in the list yet :)
15:36:31 <deneb_alpha> I was looking :)
15:36:43 <bearon> wow, somehow i magically appeared on that list ;)
15:36:47 <x1sc0> deneb_alpha, you can add youself as a mentor
15:37:13 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, don't know if I'm a real mentor but I can try :)
15:38:03 <bearon> the list is open to fake mentors as well ;)
15:38:19 <x1sc0> bearon, hehe I added you, I assumed you would be around on Friday, feel free to remove yourself from the list if not
15:38:21 <bearon> that must be how i got on it :D
15:38:46 <bearon> no probs, i'll be around
15:39:13 <djredaux> added myself as attending.
15:39:30 <x1sc0> bearon, you also have the experience from other BHS, you're a real mentor!
15:39:45 <x1sc0> djredaux, wonderful, and welcome to the meeting
15:40:16 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, added myself too
15:40:40 <x1sc0> #info there will be two dedicated sessions: The first to test the improvements on the image handling between 10AM UTC and 12AM UTC, and the second to test the HSQLDB import filter for firebird between 14PM UTC and 16PM UTC
15:40:47 <x1sc0> deneb_alpha, nice
15:41:11 <bearon> the primary question, are there going to be builds this time? ;)
15:41:24 <djredaux> xlsco, thanks
15:41:34 <x1sc0> #info and right now we have some crashes coming from tdf#116979
15:41:36 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium NEW [META] Regression introduced by Aw080 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116979
15:42:08 <x1sc0> bearon, I hope so, if not, they will be exactly as the daily builds
15:43:04 <bearon> oh right, Julien had concerns about the impact those crashes could have on testing
15:43:31 <x1sc0> regarding tdf#116979, we plan to keep it around for the time being, and see if those crashes get fixed, if they weren't, we would have to revert the commit
15:43:33 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium NEW [META] Regression introduced by Aw080 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116979
15:45:03 <x1sc0> I would wait a bit longer, the branch off is on week 29
15:45:53 <x1sc0> sophi, should we create an instance in testlink for this BHS =
15:45:56 <x1sc0> ?
15:46:31 <sophi> x1sc0: that'd be a good idea, I'll create it tomorrow
15:46:49 <lo-qa-tg4> <Kompilainenn> Import filter hsqldb->firebird will be automatic starts with open existing hsqldb file in 6.1?
15:47:18 <x1sc0> sophi, ok, thanks, I add it to the wiki page once it's created
15:48:01 <x1sc0> @Kompilainnen, same as for tdf#116979, I would wait a bit longer to see whether we do it experimental or not
15:48:03 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium NEW [META] Regression introduced by Aw080 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116979
15:48:09 <sophi> x1sc0: oki, thanks
15:48:48 <x1sc0> but it's just my opinion, it's not my call to make but the ESC's
15:49:38 <x1sc0> I'll send an email to the projects mailing list as a reminder
15:50:28 <x1sc0> anyone as any other idea that we could use the spread the word ?
15:50:34 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 117212] MAILMERGE: Save/Print Merged Documents command processes every record even when it is unnecessary <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117212>
15:51:12 <djredaux> For the BHS? A post the Libreofficce Google Plus page perhaps?
15:51:38 <djredaux> Which I could do, if you like.
15:51:51 <sophi> djredaux: I think that Michael has already posted on our social media
15:52:13 <x1sc0> djredaux, do you mean https://plus.google.com/+libreoffice ?
15:52:42 <sophi> djredaux: it's was a blog there https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2018/04/20/coming-up-on-april-27-first-bug-hunting-session-for-libreoffice-6-1/
15:52:48 <djredaux> No I meant https://plus.google.com/communities/105920160642200595669
15:53:34 <x1sc0> oh, I didn't know this page
15:54:16 <x1sc0> djredaux, yep, it would be fantastic, would you mind adding the link to the blogpost?
15:54:37 <djredaux> Will do that today.
15:54:48 <x1sc0> thanks!
15:55:13 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, what about reddit? don't know if buovjaga already added the info ;)
15:55:14 <sophi> x1sc0: strange that the blog doesn't post there, I'll talk to Mike about it
15:56:03 <x1sc0> sophi, yep, definitely it should, it has ~7000 members
15:56:24 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, and a facebook event too
15:56:24 <x1sc0> deneb_alpha, https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/8dm8r6/coming_up_on_april_27_first_bug_hunting_session/
15:56:42 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, great :)
15:57:14 <x1sc0> deneb_alpha, is there an existing facebook event already ?
15:57:30 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, https://www.facebook.com/pg/libreoffice.org/events/?ref=page_internal
15:57:32 <deneb_alpha> no
15:57:49 <deneb_alpha> there's a blogpost
15:59:08 <x1sc0> I'll talk to mike
15:59:24 <deneb_alpha> x1sc0, +1
16:00:04 <deneb_alpha> afk but following the meeting via telegram...
16:00:21 <x1sc0> having the banner in https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.1 helps a lot
16:01:57 <x1sc0> we should add the event to https://www.libreoffice.org/events/ as well
16:03:07 <x1sc0> bearon, yep, probably many of us will hit those crashes while testing, I hope they just get fixed in time
16:03:49 <x1sc0> anything else wrt the BHS ?
16:05:12 <x1sc0> any other topic you would like to discuss in this meeting?
16:05:43 <sophi> not on my side
16:05:50 <djredaux> Yes, I was wondering on the firebird migration session what folks are expecting from that at this point? Is it about getting a broader look at files i actual use?
16:06:36 <lo-qa-tg4> <deneb_alpha> x1sc0 I'll test also some strange behaviour with filters and date in calc
16:07:01 <x1sc0> djredaux, ideally, it should be enabled by default when 6.1 is released
16:07:23 <x1sc0> but for that, there are some blockers that need to be fixed before that
16:08:32 <x1sc0> on the one hand, you have the already existing problem wit the firebird engine -> tdf#51780
16:08:34 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Base enhancement/medium NEW [META] Default to Firebird not HSQLDB in Base (for _new_ files) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
16:08:57 <x1sc0> on the other hand, the migration issues -> tdf#116968
16:08:59 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Base normal/medium NEW [META] Migrating existing embedded HSQLDB databases to Firebird https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
16:09:46 <x1sc0> so, at some point we should evaluate whether we want it as default or we do it in future releases
16:10:08 <x1sc0> @deneb_alpha, nice,thanks
16:10:33 <x1sc0> @Kompilainnen I hope to see you around in the BHS too
16:11:24 <djredaux> As an aside I have as a task to work on the wiki page about the migration process. I'm assuming that the auto migrate will get most files, but not 100% without some hand work needed. What I'm looking for is how best to give users a how to on what to do when the auto migrate doesn't get everything.
16:12:26 <djredaux> For friday I could help them do the hand work now, so that they have a chance to work on their file, using firebird, with their exiting ODB.
16:13:12 <djredaux> structure (query, forms, reports). But this may be all too soon for anything meaningful, IDK.
16:13:56 <buovjaga> hmm, meeting is still on :)  I was away while it started
16:14:28 <x1sc0> djredaux, if migration fails, it should be reported to bugzilla, attaching the file + steps to reproduce it
16:15:15 <buovjaga> x1sc0: I think mkara was asking for the GIMP file of the banner. Did you provide it? (so it could be translated)
16:15:43 <x1sc0> djredaux, don't recommend users to use LibreOffice 6.1 alpha1 to work on their daily files
16:15:48 <x1sc0> buovjaga, yep, I did
16:15:56 <djredaux> Yes, sure. That is first priority, I agree.
16:18:20 <x1sc0> djredaux, which wiki page is it? is it already created ?
16:18:29 <buovjaga> x1sc0: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
16:19:15 <Reisi007> x1sc0: I didn't see any Commits regarding the new Firebird driver
16:19:36 <Reisi007> Do you know a place where we would be able to see progress?
16:19:51 <djredaux> It is created but I've been a bit hesitant about writing anything there. I thought the usual stuff for heading Why? What? How? It didn't work what now?
16:20:51 <x1sc0> Reisi007, https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=author&q=Bunth
16:21:23 <Reisi007> Lots of fixes, good to see x1sc0
16:21:40 <x1sc0> djredaux, so you have already some cases collected ?
16:21:55 <djredaux> Of failures? Yes
16:22:15 <djredaux> and fixes. Yes
16:22:22 <djredaux> Some
16:23:02 <Reisi007> New SI-GUI for Windows is I early alpha. Linux support will be ready for the next round I believe
16:23:10 <djredaux> There also things the user can do to get ready for migration which will keep the errors from happening. Likely the more important section.
16:24:20 <x1sc0> djredaux, do you think it's something the code could do automatically ?
16:25:52 <djredaux> x1sc0: sure and I'm sure others do also.
16:26:40 <x1sc0> djredaux, well, for now, I think it would be a good idea to add them somewhere in the wiki page, so more people are aware of them
16:26:45 <djredaux> x1sc0: some things however are likely never going to be in scope; somebody is going to show up with domains and such..
16:26:56 <Reisi007> x1sc0 djredaux : translating the SQL should be part of the migration? (If it's just rewriting SQL)
16:26:56 <x1sc0> you could add another section at the end of https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FirebirdMigration
16:28:03 <x1sc0> Reisi007, I can't tell, but I believe so
16:28:21 <djredaux> x1sc0: True and should table, view, trigger names have to be shortened the code could handle that fixup in queries, forms and reports also. I just don't know what is considered 'in scope' for the project.
16:29:04 <djredaux> Sorry that was meant to respond to Reisi007
16:29:05 * Reisi007 doesn't know the intended scope as well
16:29:59 <Reisi007> djredaux: shortening is not perfect, but better than a migration failure. Maybe create a report on what has been done and what's needed to be done
16:30:56 <x1sc0> the tender doesn't say anything about the scope -> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/04/tender-implement-hsqldb-binary-format-import-libreoffice-201705-03/
16:32:05 <x1sc0> but I assume, the migration should be transparent to the user, thus, if the user needs to do some hand work, it can be reported to bugzilla
16:34:25 <x1sc0> it's 16:30 UTC already, closing the meeting. we can keep talking about the migration though
16:34:26 <x1sc0> #endmeeting