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16:01:28 <x1sc0> #topic roll call
16:01:37 <x1sc0> anybody here for the QA meetings?
16:02:00 <x1sc0> buovjaga, bearon2, sophi ?
16:02:03 <buovjaga> yeah
16:02:13 <x1sc0> anybody else?
16:02:40 <x1sc0> buovjaga, do you recommend any page for sharing images?
16:02:50 <sophi> x1sc0: hello!
16:03:14 <buovjaga> x1sc0: well people use imgur but it is wholly public and browseable
16:03:42 <x1sc0> hello sophi, it's good you're here, I'd like to talk about the uitests and testlink
16:03:55 <buovjaga> x1sc0: I usually just find some random one that is not annoying. Something in my history: https://imgbb.com/
16:04:57 <x1sc0> buovjaga, ok, I'll use that one
16:05:44 <sophi> x1sc0: great :)
16:06:22 <x1sc0> so I think we can start with the uitest/testlink topic
16:06:39 <x1sc0> #topic uitests/testlink
16:07:11 <x1sc0> so during the hackfest in Rome we talk about how we could deal with this problem
16:07:58 <x1sc0> of having the same kind of tests in the uitesting and in testlink
16:08:11 <x1sc0> because it takes time to write the tests in testlink
16:08:55 <x1sc0> so the idea is to create a wiki page ( i plan to create it this week )
16:09:10 <x1sc0> where all the uitests ( or areas covered by the uitests ) are listed
16:09:33 <x1sc0> the downside is it's done manually
16:10:05 <x1sc0> and i need to update it regularly
16:10:34 <sophi> x1sc0: that's a lot of work too...
16:11:07 <x1sc0> well, we can al least list which areas are covered by the uitests
16:11:24 <x1sc0> which isn't that much work
16:11:27 <sophi> x1sc0: ok
16:11:56 <buovjaga> why is it not possible to list them automatically?
16:12:11 <x1sc0> it might be possible
16:12:20 <x1sc0> but I need to look at it
16:13:20 <x1sc0> if it can be done automatically, then, it's much better
16:13:34 <sophi> x1sc0: +1
16:13:56 <x1sc0> anyway, the wiki page will need to be updated every now and then
16:14:38 <x1sc0> so sophi, every time you plan to create new manual tests, ping me first and I'll update the list
16:14:40 <x1sc0> just in case
16:14:58 <sophi> x1sc0: ok, thanks
16:15:23 <buovjaga> if you can't slurp the ui tests from the repo, maybe filter them from a build log or something
16:16:17 <x1sc0> buovjaga, yep, I think it can be easy, we just need to look for the .py files in some specific directories
16:16:51 <x1sc0> but the wiki needs to be updated in the end
16:18:13 <x1sc0> ok, I'll keep you updated on this topic
16:18:36 <sophi> x1sc0: ok, thanks a lot
16:19:23 <x1sc0> sophi, I think the next topic is of your interest too
16:19:34 <sophi> :-)
16:20:03 <x1sc0> #topic how to improve the BHSs
16:20:29 <x1sc0> yesterday I took a look at the piwik stats
16:20:58 <x1sc0> and it seems the blogpost about the BHS is giving it a great number of visitors
16:21:16 <x1sc0> #link https://ibb.co/nBUH3R
16:21:52 <x1sc0> however, no one was added to the participant list
16:22:06 <sophi> interesting
16:22:23 <buovjaga> people are afraid to commit themselves
16:22:30 <x1sc0> and it has been the same in the last 4/5 BHSs
16:22:39 <sophi> yes, you're right
16:22:55 <x1sc0> yep, that's true
16:23:44 <x1sc0> so, in principle, I like the idea of running the BHS
16:24:04 <x1sc0> because people know a new alpha/beta is available
16:24:26 <x1sc0> but I'm wondering if it could be somehow improved
16:24:51 <x1sc0> do you know other projects doing a similar thing ?
16:26:43 <sophi> there used to be some other projects by the past (like mandriva) but I don't know now
16:26:51 <buovjaga> Firefox
16:27:16 <buovjaga> https://quality.mozilla.org/
16:27:25 <sophi> if you do a search on google, some other projects/companies are showing up
16:29:51 <x1sc0> its seems firefox do the testday regularly
16:31:34 <sophi> yes with  focus on functionalities
16:33:35 <x1sc0> buovjaga, have you ever attended any of these testdays?
16:33:54 <buovjaga> x1sc0: maybe by accident, when I was on the channel
16:34:02 <buovjaga> but that was when I did my own testing
16:34:24 <buovjaga> once I took part in a Thunderbird test effort, when it happened to be during the period I tested TB
16:35:31 <x1sc0> and is there anything they do we could also benefit from ?
16:36:44 <buovjaga> no idea
16:36:54 <buovjaga> they seemed pretty silent
16:37:06 <buovjaga> I don't know, where the country-based teams did their coordination
16:40:22 <x1sc0> this time, we offered stickers to participants...
16:40:45 <x1sc0> M-Saunders_away, has anybody claimed their stickers because of the BHS ?
16:41:46 <x1sc0> I've also changed the banner in Bugzilla linked to the BHS so I can check in piwik whether people click or not
16:42:34 <x1sc0> but I'm short of new ideas now...
16:43:02 <x1sc0> that's why I wanted to discuss this topic...
16:43:31 <sophi> x1sc0: do you know if it's possible to see if NLPs have participated?
16:43:53 <sophi> x1sc0: stats on langpacks that have been downloaded for example?
16:44:57 <x1sc0> cloph, is it possible to have stats about the beta1 downloads?
16:46:00 <cloph> maybe by parsing webserver logs - but dev-downloads is not explicitly tracked
16:48:44 <sophi> x1sc0: I followed the l10n telegram channel, but only 2 or 3 known contributors were there during BHS
16:49:41 <x1sc0> sophi, I'm checking in piwik, it seems I can see each visitor individually, but their location as a group
16:50:32 <sophi> oki, maybe that could help to ping some groups and help them to participate/ be less shy
16:51:12 <x1sc0> sophi, buovjaga did a great work pinging the community leaders a couple of BHS back
16:51:45 <x1sc0> pointing them to the global mailing list
16:52:03 <x1sc0> but maybe it would be a better approach to write them directly
16:52:46 <x1sc0> buovjaga, you have their addresses, right ?
16:53:06 <sophi> x1sc0: yes, or join there telegram or FB or G+, etc groups
16:56:06 <x1sc0> I think for next time we can ping those community leaders again
16:56:16 <x1sc0> and remind them about the BHS
16:56:32 <x1sc0> to see if more people participate
16:56:38 <sophi> x1sc0: yes, good idea
16:56:49 <sophi> buovjaga: let me know if I can help
16:57:28 <x1sc0> ideally, the global project mailling list should work for this kind of notifications, but I dunno if people use/read it
16:58:29 <x1sc0> so I think we can close the meeting...
16:58:45 <x1sc0> #endmeeting