16:00:44 #startmeeting 16:00:44 Meeting started Tue Sep 26 16:00:44 2017 UTC. The chair is x1sc0. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:01 so, let's start the QA meeting 16:01:16 #topic rollcall 16:01:21 anybody present ? 16:01:27 here 16:01:28 i'm here :D 16:01:30 * sophi here 16:01:34 wow, nice 16:01:41 buovjaga, ? 16:01:52 @ThomasLendo ping 16:02:27 let's wait a couple of minutes to see if someone else joins 16:03:06 in this meeting I would like to talk about the upcoming LibreOffice conference 16:03:32 although I have a couple of others things to mention too 16:04:01 Does anybody have any topic to be discussed during the meeting too ? 16:04:32 nothing comes to mind, i'm just observing :D 16:04:54 great :D 16:05:09 well, so let's get started with the first topic 16:05:21 x1sc0: do you have info on the planned reddit AMA/AUA? who're going to be answering questions? 16:06:10 bearon, as far as I know, TDF staff will be answering questions 16:06:18 sophi might have more info about it 16:06:19 bearon: Mike is leading, there will be board members, staff members too and who wants to come I guess 16:07:00 bearon, does it answer you question ? 16:07:36 yup, thanks 16:07:53 great, I hope to see you around on Thursday... 16:08:14 #topic LibreOffice Conference 16:08:28 * bearon hopes devs know about it, too :) 16:08:46 News from tdfnew: [Bug 112669] outlook support number~18oo [831] 9601 OUTlook tech suPport Numberdfgd  || [Bug 112670] outlook number~1800(831)9601 OUTlook tech suPport Numberdfgd 16:08:53 so, I wanted to ask, who's attending the conference this year? 16:09:01 bearon: in the board there are several devs :) 16:09:12 x1sc0: me :) 16:09:38 sophi hehe what a surprise 16:09:57 x1sc0: me 16:09:58 sophi: ah, i see, i should've checked who the board consists of first :) 16:10:13 x1sc0: me, too 16:10:24 sophi, btw, when is the hackfest taking place ? 16:10:32 @philipz ? 16:10:41 raal, nice 16:10:47 x1sc0: on Thursday evening 16:11:12 #info hackfest on Thursday evening 16:11:52 thanks, so I was thinking, since some of us are attending the conference, if we could organize something at the hackfest 16:12:18 nope not me. gonna miss it this year as well :( 16:12:47 @philipz, sorry to hear that 16:13:59 I thought we could organize a short ( couple of hours ) BHS in person 16:14:14 and on IRC too 16:14:22 x1sc0: good idea! 16:14:46 but I'm wondering if we could also take advantage of being side by side with the devs 16:15:03 well i can always join in on the live discussion like last year. hopefully the whole room wont hear my voice ;D 16:15:37 I mean, go though the needDevAdvice bugs or something 16:16:12 and ask them in person what they thing about this bug or that bug 16:17:00 any thought on this? 16:17:44 x1sc0: maybe you should discuss it with devs to see if they will be available for QA? 16:18:13 sophi, yep, good idea 16:18:39 I'll through the question in the next ESC meeting 16:19:00 x1sc0: yes 16:19:32 I think the idea of having a BHS in person is great, and if dev agree, we can focus on needDevAdvice bugs during the session 16:19:52 +1 16:20:14 great 16:20:41 x1sc0: it might also be a good idea to prepare a list of bugs and questions we have in advance (individually) 16:21:06 #idea: have a BHS in person during the hackfest, if devs agree, focus on needDevAdvice 16:21:16 #action: ask devs in the ESC meeting 16:21:33 #idea x1sc0: it might also be a good idea to prepare a list of bugs and questions we have in advance (individually) 16:22:06 bearon, yep, my idea is to send an email in advance, I can also mention that in the email :) 16:22:33 okay, thanks 16:22:41 * bearon hopes he won't forget it himself, either :) 16:22:53 great 16:23:33 in the email I can also ask non-attendees to give suggestions 16:24:34 ok, so let's move on 16:24:35 if BHS is dedicated to needDevAdvice, will it not be open to regular users? 16:25:39 @philipz, LibreOffice 6.0 alpha1 will be released by the end of October, and a reglar BHS will take place as well 16:26:17 of course regular users can participate in the BHS in the hackfest 16:26:35 x1sc0: BTW we should ask Mike for some teasing on social media about it 16:27:19 sure 16:27:48 sophi, how long does it last normally? 16:28:28 * x1sc0 remembers last year's hackfest took longer than expected, we almost missed the bus 16:28:38 x1sc0: is there anything we can do to further Notebookbar getting out of experimental status at the conference/BHS? 16:28:46 x1sc0: I don't know I usually don't stay till the end 16:28:46 * bearon did miss the bus 16:30:02 bearon, we can take a look at that along with the UX team 16:30:37 x1sc0: great, maybe we could also prioritize the remaining issues there 16:30:46 bearon: doubt it unless szymon, kendy or samuel is there 16:31:22 sophi, I wouldn't like to put too much effort on advertise it if it's going to last only a couple of hours 16:31:23 we had a GSoC student but he didnt do anything during the time and failed 16:31:42 philipz: they're all planned to be there :) 16:31:49 @philipz, I think kendy and samuel will be there 16:31:59 x1sc0: I was speaking about the BHS at the end of October, the regular one 16:32:17 sophi, oh, got it, sure 16:32:37 x1sc0: well they have time to work on it, that would be great. i created a google doc filled with things to get NB out of experimental 16:32:40 bearon, to me, it sounds like a good plan for the hackfest too 16:33:09 @philipz, could you please share it ? 16:33:39 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmtJPPnQfEWbccDSRD3-_xAmMGAMELs16VBXe1iLZ7Q/edit 16:33:54 #idea bearon: is there anything we can do to further Notebookbar getting out of experimental status at the conference/BHS? 16:34:05 #info https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xmtJPPnQfEWbccDSRD3-_xAmMGAMELs16VBXe1iLZ7Q/edit 16:35:13 great, since kendy, samuel, heiko and other will be there, it sounds like a good topic to work on during the hackfest 16:36:58 anyway, if any other topic for the hackfest comes to mind, just let me know 16:37:45 a couple of other topics I wanted to mention in this meeting 16:37:57 #topic automated tagging 16:39:20 so, today, I created a script that automatically marks open bugs with [NinjaEdit] comments or this comment https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening#Notes as obsolete 16:39:37 the script has already finished 16:40:06 so the comments should be marked as obsolete 16:40:18 please let me know if you find something unusual 16:40:48 since it's touching many bugs in bugzilla 16:41:37 and if you want any other type of comment to mark as obsolete, just let me know 16:43:07 and another topic... 16:43:30 #topic reverting a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 in 5.3.7 16:43:33 core - tdf#103831, tdf#100986: Force using GDI when needed - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 16:43:45 so it seems we don't need to complete revert a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 16:43:47 core - tdf#103831, tdf#100986: Force using GDI when needed - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 16:44:06 #info http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2017-09-21-tt4223238.html 16:44:40 bearon, could you reproduce any of the issues introduced by that commit ? 16:47:11 x1sc0: i didn't check all of the related issues, i could reproduce a couple of them 16:47:59 bearon, ok, because I was thinking, if we revert it, we really need to test it 16:48:09 otherwise we might be introducing other problems 16:48:41 I can make the commit, but I don't reproduce those issues in my vm 16:50:30 x1sc0: I bisected some of them,so I can test it 16:50:52 raal, great, good to know 16:50:58 x1sc0: i can also specifically give them a try 16:51:19 do you think the change should be applied in master ? 16:51:48 i'd only apply to 5.3 for now 16:52:24 there have been efforts to fix some issues in 5.4/master 16:52:25 I can ask it in the ESC too 16:52:50 eg. the disappeared text issue 16:53:08 yep, right 16:53:09 which is mostly fixed, though there are a few special cases 16:54:03 we can always cherry-pick it to 5.4 if needed 16:54:11 yeah, sure 16:54:21 ok 16:54:41 but for 5.3 it's kind of a must 16:55:19 yep 16:55:25 ok, so that's all from me 16:55:44 I guees we can close the meeting, only 5 minutes left 16:55:53 thank you all for attending the meeting 16:55:57 x1sc0: oki, thanks! 16:56:02 thanks! 16:56:03 i had an issue 16:56:29 i sent it across yesterday and wasnt sure if you got it @x1sc0 16:56:31 @philipz shoot 16:56:59 here it is "@x1sc0: so i did testing on how well our calc renders fonts since khaled's cross platform rendering patch was implemented and there are still some bad rendering by a number of fonts - #112558" 16:57:01 LibreOffice-Calc normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Single line spacing of Calibri and Times New Roman no longer calculated correctly in Calc compared to Writer https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112558 16:57:38 * sophi heading home, bye guys! 16:57:59 philipz, but it's not related to a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 16:58:01 core - tdf#103831, tdf#100986: Force using GDI when needed - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a51b7a1c3a7e7cf7b0c733e1dec40288278c1884 16:58:06 isn't it ? 16:59:10 @philipz, since khaled submitted many patches, I would suggest to bisect it first and then see if it's related to the cross platform rendering or to another patch 16:59:18 the unified line spacing across platforms - 34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a 16:59:20 core - tdf#55469 Consistent line spacing across platforms - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a 17:00:07 was awaiting for you or bearon to bibisect it, but as its not harfbuzz related, line spacing is likely the only culprit from 5.3 17:01:13 better to bisect it first to be sure 17:01:22 I can do it tomorrow 17:01:28 but I need to go now 17:01:39 roger 17:01:56 #endmeeting