13:05:29 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting
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13:05:34 <colonelqubit> Sounds good to me
13:06:00 <colonelqubit> So, rather relaxed meeting here at the end of the annum
13:06:22 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED bug count is at 606
13:07:06 <colonelqubit> Nothing huge on the agenda
13:07:27 <colonelqubit> I've completed the first round of transitioning Whiteboard tags -> Keywords in Bugzilla
13:08:05 <colonelqubit> Both Open and Closed bugs have been updated, so queries, stats, etc.. should all look correct now
13:08:33 <colonelqubit> Suggestions or tips on what has been missed are, of course, always appreciated
13:09:07 <colonelqubit> I've been updating/improving my "NinjaEdit" patches that allow us to make changes to bugs without spamming people via email
13:09:27 <colonelqubit> Those will be pushed to the main repo soon
13:10:23 <colonelqubit> The tl;dr is that if you're in the 'ninja_editors' group, your edits will be shunted to a file instead of going out
13:10:54 <colonelqubit> So any admins can put users (including themselves) into that group (temporarily)
13:11:45 <colonelqubit> #topic Completed Items
13:12:12 <colonelqubit> Soo.. anything else completed we should note?
13:12:50 <colonelqubit> #topic Pending Items
13:13:04 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: poke-ity
13:13:10 <DennisRoczek> püong
13:13:15 <DennisRoczek> still busy
13:13:16 <colonelqubit> he's here!
13:13:17 <beluga_> pyong yang
13:13:23 <DennisRoczek> no resolved ai
13:13:31 * colonelqubit sighs
13:13:44 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: I *told* you that you had to make us an AI before the end of the year
13:13:53 <DennisRoczek> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1656#change-7940
13:13:54 <IZBot> redmine: »Recplace Link Shorteners links in IRC topics« in Infrastructure (Task for Florian Effenberger) [New]
13:13:55 <colonelqubit> well, maybe aritificial intelligence can wait until 2016
13:14:12 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: that's no problem. after tomorrow i should have enough time to resolve them :-D
13:14:14 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: ah, good. I'll takke a peek
13:14:25 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: trying to put humans out of a job?
13:14:42 * colonelqubit . o O (...on the plus side, I bet we could get rid of that UNCONFIRMED pile in  a hurry...)
13:14:53 <DennisRoczek> and i told you to clear the unconfirmed count :-D
13:15:27 <deneb_alpha> colonelqubit: what about a bug hunting session during the hackfest @FOSDEM? :)
13:15:42 <colonelqubit> export $BUGZILLA_UNCONFIRMED=0
13:16:11 <sophi> deneb_alpha: there is one short before https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0_RC2
13:16:13 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: are you happy now? :P
13:16:18 <beluga_> bug hunting or triaging? :)
13:16:28 <DennisRoczek> moreover i will / want to finish my patch for the bugzilla integration. btw: did you see the comment by the mozilla employee on your patchset (to use the limit stuff before sending the request)
13:16:31 <beluga_> unconfirmeds to dev/null
13:16:36 <DennisRoczek> lol
13:16:44 <deneb_alpha> beluga_ triaging
13:16:48 <sophi> beluga_: yes, I would be more on triaging session
13:17:00 <DennisRoczek> and who is paying me so that i can go to fosdem? :-X
13:17:11 <beluga_> DennisRoczek: email board-discuss
13:17:19 * colonelqubit hands DennisRoczek some monopoly money
13:18:30 <colonelqubit> Okay, sounds like no more Pending Items on the list
13:18:34 <colonelqubit> #topic New Items
13:18:45 <DennisRoczek> woooho monopoly money :-)
13:19:24 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: it even has a picture of a walrus on it, so you know it's legit
13:21:23 <DennisRoczek> beluga_: board-discuss is not an option. i only get my money back i spent
13:21:57 * mmeeks struggles to file a bug - I can query them from BZ, just not file them.
13:21:59 <mmeeks> is that expected ? =)
13:22:19 * colonelqubit hmms
13:22:40 <DennisRoczek> mmeeks: we do want to slow down the unconfirmed bug increase :-D
13:22:49 <beluga_> mmeeks: is it timing out?
13:22:58 <mmeeks> hah =)
13:22:59 <mmeeks> beluga_: yes.
13:23:12 <mmeeks> Secure Connection Failed
13:23:12 <mmeeks> The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
13:23:12 <mmeeks> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
13:23:12 <mmeeks> Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
13:23:14 * colonelqubit laughs
13:23:28 <colonelqubit> (at DennisRoczek's jk)
13:23:37 <mmeeks> of course, it could easily be my web connection; /me has plenty of problems but ...
13:23:46 <colonelqubit> mmeeks: I can file on the test VM. Let me try the Real Thing(tm))
13:24:08 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: and now it filed ...
13:24:18 <DennisRoczek> mmeeks: don't use the intel laptop ;-)
13:24:30 <mmeeks> DennisRoczek: no idea what's up there ;->
13:24:38 <colonelqubit> mmeeks: maybe it sensed me coming for it...
13:24:47 <mmeeks> DennisRoczek: the good news is I can reproduce OpenGL horrors on Intel,
13:25:05 <mmeeks> the bad news is - finding out why the exact same trace works fine on AMD, but not Intel is not entirely 'obvious' lets say ;-)
13:25:24 <colonelqubit> that sounds excitingly complex
13:28:15 <deneb_alpha> off-topic question about unconfirmed reports. I think #tdf96672 (mail merge password) is a security problem. please, could an expert have a look?
13:29:45 <DennisRoczek> tdf#96672
13:29:47 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Outgoing mail server password in clear text inside the registrymodifications.xcu file https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96672
13:30:05 <DennisRoczek> ouch (simply because of the ticket name)
13:30:15 * colonelqubit chuckles
13:31:05 * colonelqubit isn't sure that's a security issue, but we can discuss...
13:31:17 <colonelqubit> (there's no master password for LibreOffice, so...)
13:31:46 <colonelqubit> Maybe clearer docs that we're going to store the credentials in cleartext
13:32:56 <colonelqubit> Anything else for New Items?
13:35:15 <colonelqubit> #topic The End
13:35:26 <colonelqubit> Okay, thanks all for showing up!
13:36:01 <deneb_alpha> colonelqubit, I'm aware that there isn't a master password but we can handle protected documents. the credentials in the registrymodifications.xcu file are stored in cleartext.
13:36:51 <colonelqubit> deneb_alpha: Protected documents require a secret (your password)
13:37:09 <colonelqubit> if we want to store one secret, we need another secret (something you know or something you have, etc..)
13:37:25 <deneb_alpha> colonelquibit, it's clear. :)
13:38:08 <deneb_alpha> an option could be to inform the user that the mail merge password is stored as cleartext
13:38:42 * colonelqubit nods
13:39:03 <colonelqubit> yeah, that was my suggestion re: docs above
13:39:12 <deneb_alpha> a second one is to disallow the saving
13:39:30 <colonelqubit> deneb_alpha: could you add those suggestions to the bug report?
13:39:41 <deneb_alpha> the third is to implement the master password :)
13:39:48 * colonelqubit nods
13:39:57 <deneb_alpha> colonelqubit, sure.
13:40:14 <colonelqubit> I wonder if we could hook in to existing auth in the OS, such as the Keychain on OSX?
13:40:39 * colonelqubit presumes that it shouldn't be painful to do that, but...
13:40:46 <deneb_alpha> KDE wallet
13:41:03 <deneb_alpha> kwalletmanager
13:41:20 <deneb_alpha> similar for GNOME
13:41:42 <deneb_alpha> I don't know if there's something similar for windows
13:41:44 <colonelqubit> deneb_alpha: the question becomes: How much info do we share across different installed copies of LibreOffice, etc.
13:42:06 <colonelqubit> right now each installdir is pretty self-contained
13:42:13 <deneb_alpha> thinking about password I remember only 2 areas
13:42:23 <deneb_alpha> mediawiki manager and mail merge
13:43:34 <colonelqubit> one sec
13:44:17 <colonelqubit> ALL: I'm going to hang out in the channel for a while today and attack the UNCONFIRMED list. Please join in! :-)
13:44:22 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting