13:05:00 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting
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13:05:16 <DennisRoczek> lol
13:05:24 <colonelqubit> Who's here?
13:05:44 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED bugs are up, up, up to 584
13:06:25 <beluga_> up, up and away
13:06:41 <colonelqubit> beluga_: can you tie some balloons onto the extra bugs and float them away?
13:06:54 <colonelqubit> maybe half or so would be great...
13:07:11 <beluga_> I wish I had the powers to do it.. they would float to whale territory
13:07:44 <colonelqubit> #topic Completed Items
13:07:45 <beluga_> slacka: are you here?
13:08:26 <colonelqubit> For the last couple of weeks I've been converting Whiteboard tags to Keywords
13:09:17 <colonelqubit> The process is complete for all of our Open bugs, as well as updated docs on the wiki, etc.
13:09:39 <colonelqubit> I've cooked up various tools for automation including:
13:09:41 * ahoneybun flies to work
13:09:48 <colonelqubit> -- Code to silence my commits
13:10:00 <colonelqubit> -- Some tweaks to auto-fill the Comment field
13:10:32 <colonelqubit> -- Some external tools to help with bulk-conversion
13:10:38 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: adios!
13:10:44 <beluga_> so it turned out to be a useful chore :)
13:10:57 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yeah, there's been a lot of cleanup along the way
13:11:21 <colonelqubit> the Whiteboard was quite imprecise, and all of the random and inconsistent spellings of tags have been ironed out
13:11:35 <colonelqubit> (as best as I could)
13:12:25 <colonelqubit> I'm sure that there are many more improvements to be made, and perhaps some new Keywords that should be created, so please pass along any feedback
13:13:27 <colonelqubit> Let's see...
13:13:36 <colonelqubit> anything else completed?
13:14:06 <colonelqubit> #topic Pending Items
13:14:14 <CorNouws> hi colonelqubit, other good QA-people. I tested again for TDF#92837 yesterday and am quite worried about the unpredictable behaviour.  Would be good to have input from others, I guess ..
13:14:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Calc major/high NEW Opening a ODS file asks to update external links even if in the options is marked as "always update" https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92837
13:14:27 <colonelqubit> Heya Cor
13:15:44 * colonelqubit reads bug
13:16:04 <colonelqubit> CorNouws: Looks like a rather complicated one
13:17:39 <colonelqubit> CorNouws: If we can't repro reliably, that's a problem
13:17:56 <CorNouws> it's easy to do a initial test. But what I found yesterday that the behaviour changes if a file is touched, not changed, by an other version.. makes is interesting
13:18:11 <CorNouws> s/is/it
13:20:40 <colonelqubit> Hmm...looks like joel changed bibisectRequest -> bibisected, but I don't see any log or commits listed. Sounds like we need some more info on this bug
13:22:10 <colonelqubit> no jphilipz or mjayfrancis today
13:22:39 * mjayfrancis continues lurking
13:22:41 <colonelqubit> Dennis has been busy, so punting on his tasks
13:22:44 <mjayfrancis> Big life stuff going on
13:22:47 * colonelqubit waves at mjayfrancis from afar
13:23:12 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: Hopefully big good stuff :-)
13:25:25 <colonelqubit> Any other pending items?
13:25:56 <beluga_> colonelqubit: well the stats thing is not exactly something to be done in a week :) waiting for sophi regarding moztrap
13:26:14 <beluga_> but you didn't reply about BZ 5 upgrade schedule
13:26:32 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yep, yep -- improved stats would be handy
13:26:46 <mmeeks> beluga_: could I ask a favour ? =)
13:26:48 <sophi> beluga_: I sent the stats for MozTrap last week I thought on this channel? no? I can't remember...
13:27:01 <beluga_> sophi: I mean generating the API key
13:27:03 <beluga_> mmeeks: sure
13:27:08 <mmeeks> beluga_: I'm frustrated by these Intel GL bugs I can't reproduce; and need to buy some H/W to reproduce them =)
13:27:18 <beluga_> colonelqubit: I will use this progress bar for moztrap stats http://www.gerardolarios.com/plugins-and-tools/jqmeter/#demo
13:27:25 <colonelqubit> beluga_: tanks
13:27:30 * mmeeks is not totally flushed with cash ;-) and would -love- to know exactly what built-in Intel graphics to buy there =)
13:27:38 * colonelqubit throws an 'h' in ther
13:27:48 <mmeeks> beluga_: and also exactly what discrete NVidia to put into it ;-) to get maximal badness ;->
13:27:52 <mmeeks> beluga_: is that something easy to find out ?
13:27:54 <colonelqubit> beluga_: no firm plans on Bz upgrade
13:27:54 <sophi> beluga_: oups sorry, didn't managed to generate it, tried during the weekend but get an error, didn't go further
13:28:32 <beluga_> mmeeks: hmm would you be buying vintage HW?
13:28:52 <mmeeks> beluga_: no idea - can do that on ebay if necessary; but I'd obviously prefer the latest up-to-date H/W that fails ;-)
13:29:02 <mmeeks> beluga_: the problem is working out what people actually have that breaks it
13:29:20 * mmeeks would buy a surface eg. but putting an nvidia into it might prove challenging ;-)
13:29:52 <DennisRoczek> mmeeks: uhm i do want taht: a surface with nvidia ^^
13:30:05 <DennisRoczek> with some extra coolers :-p
13:31:03 <colonelqubit> okay, sounds like no more Pending issues
13:31:20 <colonelqubit> #topic New Items
13:31:32 <beluga_> mmeeks: yeah my breakage happens on 2012 HW, Intel HD 3000
13:32:15 <mmeeks> DennisRoczek: ;-) perhaps some external ribbon-cable /PCI express lanes ;-)
13:32:40 <colonelqubit> It'd be helpful for us to take a healthy bite out of the UNCONFIRMED pile
13:32:40 <mmeeks> beluga_: ah - ok; interesting - so it could be shader complexity; or OpenGL version instead.
13:33:14 <beluga_> mmeeks: well I can gather the HW mentioned in the bug reports, if you want
13:33:17 <mmeeks> beluga_: so - perhaps it's better to find out what it is; any chance of a SAL_LOG=+WARN.vcl.opengl+INFO.vcl.opengl output for startup (or doing whatever operations fail) on windows ?
13:33:27 <mmeeks> beluga_: would be wonderful - sorry to be a pain !
13:33:41 * mmeeks can see some drivers where eg. some shaders are too complex and fall over at compile-time,
13:33:46 <beluga_> ok will look into SAL_LOG
13:33:53 <mmeeks> beluga_: but at least the "new hardware doesn't work" thing is hyper-irritating =)
13:34:16 <colonelqubit> beluga_: perhaps we could try having some visualization tools to help set a goal and then work towards it?
13:34:55 <colonelqubit> beluga_: it could be something pretty simple for our first go-round, and then could be refined for later BHS
13:35:07 <beluga_> colonelqubit: yeah I was thinking super simple for moztrap
13:35:21 <beluga_> just to give the lurking masses something
13:35:25 * colonelqubit nods
13:35:32 <beluga_> moztrap interface can be scary for a beginner
13:36:05 <colonelqubit> yeah, the moztrap interface has so many menus and routes of navigation, I've never really felt like I had it completely figured out
13:36:29 <cloph> (surface book actually has nvidea in the keyboard part if you get the model with dedicated GPU :-P)
13:36:39 <colonelqubit> Okay, any further New items?
13:38:07 <colonelqubit> Besides Cor, are there any other bugs that should be brought up at the ESC call?
13:39:26 <colonelqubit> ::crickets::
13:40:35 <colonelqubit> Okay -- thanks, all.
13:41:44 <cloph> FYI: 5.1.0 rc1 available on pre-releases for all platfroms in the next minutes - win32bit build still packaging, but others are up already
13:42:42 <colonelqubit> Next call is one week from now on the 23rd. I expect that many people may be off on holidays and there won't be much motivation to slog through a legitimate meeting, but if you have a little time, feel free to stop by and perhaps we'll just spend the time chewing-away at the UNCONFIRMED pile
13:43:07 <colonelqubit> Adios!
13:43:13 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting