23:40:42 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting 23:40:42 <IZBot> Meeting started Wed Aug 26 23:40:42 2015 UTC. The chair is colonelqubit. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:40:42 <IZBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 23:41:05 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: Given that we might face the same issues tomorrow morning, I'm just going to shove all of this into a meeting log for convenience :-) 23:41:30 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED: up to 478 23:42:09 <colonelqubit> Still working to find a better meeting time for all. I'll send out a Doodle to QA-list today 23:42:31 <colonelqubit> #action Query for meeting day and time to QA list (Robinson) 23:43:06 <colonelqubit> So let's tackle the pending release first 23:43:09 <colonelqubit> Any feedback on 5.0.1 RC2? (release is planned for tomorrow) 23:43:25 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: are the builds working for you? 23:43:38 <ahoneybun> I'm using the fresh ppa and it opens 23:43:50 <ahoneybun> at least impress (I use thaat the most) 23:44:04 <colonelqubit> good, good 23:45:11 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: We do have a win10 x64 crasher (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92478) 23:45:12 <IZBot> bug 92478: LibreOffice-Writer major/high NEW CRASH when open "scan > scanner source" on windows 10 x64. 23:45:25 <colonelqubit> but unfortunately our Win bibisect repos are built on 32bit 23:45:39 <ahoneybun> I haz no Windows still 23:45:49 <ahoneybun> well a Win8 WM but that's it 23:46:15 <ahoneybun> but I have a small SSD so I can't think of putting it on there 23:47:10 <colonelqubit> We had trouble building on win10 for a while there, anyhow, so even if we had a buildbot feeding into a repo, we might track the problem to a range of several hundred commits... 23:47:38 <ahoneybun> wow 23:47:53 <ahoneybun> tbh I've not bug report/tested in a while 23:47:59 <ahoneybun> mostly trying to promote 23:48:09 <colonelqubit> ayup 23:48:10 <ahoneybun> and use the products as proff 23:48:16 <ahoneybun> "ayup" ? 23:48:22 <ahoneybun> *proof 23:48:35 * colonelqubit was concurring/supporting your promotional work ;-) 23:48:49 <colonelqubit> Okay, so nothing major with the RC2. Good 23:49:06 <colonelqubit> #action Email out to QA list and ask again for any feedback on the RC2 (Robinson) 23:49:34 <colonelqubit> If people do have specific issues or concerns, we can mention them on the (wiki) Release Notes page 23:49:58 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: question for you -- have you heard much about people having issues w/Bugzilla? 23:50:16 <ahoneybun> Bugzilla is a nightmare to search 23:50:33 <ahoneybun> we were trying to find bugs relating to 5.0.0 only 23:50:34 * colonelqubit hears about/deals with most of those cases eventually, so he sees a jaded view about how often people have isseus 23:50:47 <ahoneybun> but it searches though EVERYTHING 23:50:51 <ahoneybun> including comments 23:50:58 <ahoneybun> we need filter 23:50:59 <ahoneybun> *s 23:51:56 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: like this? https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=554653&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&version=5.0.0.0.beta1&version=5.0.0.0.beta2&version=5.0.0.0.beta3&version=5.0.0.1%20rc&version=5.0.0.2%20rc&version=5.0.0.3%20rc&version=5.0.0.4%20rc&version=5.0.0.5%20release&version=5.0.1.1%20rc&version=5.0.1.2%20rc 23:52:33 <colonelqubit> Or were you looking for a list of bugs that *affect* 5.0.0 ? 23:52:43 <ahoneybun> something like that 23:52:49 <colonelqubit> (the latter one is a bit trickier, due to the way that we categorize our bugs) 23:52:49 <ahoneybun> but more easier to use 23:53:00 <ahoneybun> think newegg lol 23:53:19 * colonelqubit thinks that Moz/Bugzilla folks use some hacks to accomplish things like that 23:55:15 <colonelqubit> One method might have been to use dependencies... so perhaps create an affects-5.0.1.2 bug 23:55:22 <colonelqubit> (yeah...seems pretty hackish to me) 23:58:34 <ahoneybun> sorry got busy with something 23:59:26 <colonelqubit> no prob ;) 00:00:08 <colonelqubit> Okay, so #2) New name for 'blocker' 00:01:06 <colonelqubit> The current name is confusing for newcomers 00:01:10 <colonelqubit> We don't really have blockers 00:02:26 <ahoneybun> I'm confused about it lol 00:03:19 <colonelqubit> suggestions so far include "very critical", "blaster", and some others.. 00:03:38 <colonelqubit> We haven't really come up with a great alternative 00:03:59 <ahoneybun> so it is something that stops: "blocks" release? 00:04:09 <ahoneybun> Showstopper? 00:04:24 <colonelqubit> Well, that's the thing: We dont' really have bugs that block release right now 00:04:37 <colonelqubit> It's possible, I guess, but it's *vanishingly* rare 00:05:06 <colonelqubit> and as you can imagine, everyone thinks that their particular pet peeve is a blocker. 00:05:07 <ahoneybun> suspenser ? 00:05:27 <colonelqubit> bjoern suggests that we just restrict access, which is definitely one possibility... 00:06:10 <colonelqubit> That way only release engineers could select that level 00:10:52 <colonelqubit> We only have a limited amount of information to pass-in so far, but more will be exposed (e.g. OS, architecture bit depth, etc..) 00:13:53 <ahoneybun> cool 00:14:32 <colonelqubit> Joel had some interesting notes on bibisect for discussion in IRC, but I'd like to have more people involved 00:14:47 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: Anything else from your end that should get some attention? 00:15:25 <ahoneybun> ummm 00:15:52 <ahoneybun> not that I can note 00:16:09 <colonelqubit> k 00:16:15 <ahoneybun> tbh I'm not sure the times/days of these meetings 00:16:29 <ahoneybun> I just don't have a life so I'm here all the time lol 00:16:53 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: Wed at 1:30pm (well, my time); I did try earlier once, but didn't seem to get too many more people to join 00:17:18 <colonelqubit> As I said, I'll email out and ask again for when people can join 00:17:22 <ahoneybun> well its 8:16pm here now 00:17:54 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: yes, I tried earlier, but the channel looked pretty dead -- that's why I came back now :-) 00:18:12 <ahoneybun> I want schools in my area to use LibreOffice but they are so in deep with MS 00:18:14 * colonelqubit wonders if the every-other-week thing throws peopel off 00:18:17 <colonelqubit> *people 00:18:46 <colonelqubit> Perhaps if it's just shorter and sweeter, then every week would make more people remember and join 00:19:10 * colonelqubit shrugs 00:20:21 * ahoneybun wonders how many schools will upgrade to Win10 00:21:06 <colonelqubit> how many schools are using Ubuntu right now? 00:21:12 <ahoneybun> no clue really 00:21:22 <ahoneybun> I don't even know of one 00:21:31 <ahoneybun> in my area anyway 00:21:32 <colonelqubit> I know that many people use Firefox... I always hoped that the usage would expand to LibreOffice... Thunderbird... other tools 00:21:39 <ahoneybun> yea 00:21:54 <ahoneybun> thats what my friend hopes with better KDE tools in Windows 00:22:01 <colonelqubit> but perhaps it's simpler to just jump people over to a new OS, especially if the repository has all the software a few clicks away? 00:22:15 <ahoneybun> depends if they have the tools they need 00:22:30 <ahoneybun> my dad uses some stupid coupon website that needs a problem installed 00:22:33 <colonelqubit> (I will note that people are amazed when I tell them about the LibreOffice PPAs, and how they offer up-to-date versions...) 00:22:43 <ahoneybun> that just uses ActiveX so you need Internet explorer 00:23:01 <ahoneybun> I'm using the fresh but just recently 00:23:14 <ahoneybun> I still to stable ones in my repos 00:23:23 <ahoneybun> I try to add as little PPA's as possible 00:25:35 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: doesn't WINE have some kind of IE hack? 00:25:49 <ahoneybun> not for ActiveX 00:26:22 <colonelqubit> fair enough 00:26:43 <ahoneybun> sadly 00:26:51 <ahoneybun> my dad wants Windows back 00:26:56 <ahoneybun> just because of that 00:26:58 <ahoneybun> and Netflix 00:27:08 <colonelqubit> he could run a VM... 00:27:14 <colonelqubit> but yeah, that'd be a lot of work 00:27:25 * ahoneybun throws a firestick at Flash 00:27:50 <ahoneybun> VM does not work with printers? 00:28:02 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: hmm... possibly 00:28:08 <ahoneybun> so tricky 00:28:12 <colonelqubit> Okay, sounds like our QA discussion is done for today. 00:28:17 <ahoneybun> yea 00:28:39 <colonelqubit> I've got a release to shove out and ESC call tomorrow morning, but I will try to connect with people and see what times would work for them 00:29:13 <colonelqubit> Thanks again for your help, and if you do have some time this week, the UNCONFIRMED bug pile is calling your name... :-) 00:29:28 <ahoneybun> I've not done much tbh 00:30:13 <colonelqubit> well, you are around here, which is appreciated :-) 00:30:16 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting 00:31:30 <ahoneybun> I try 00:33:13 <colonelqubit> ciao 01:06:44 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93693] Browsing firefox themes by clicking category name no longer works <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93693> 02:03:58 <jmadero> holloway_: might be easier for your tests to just bibisect instead of testing so many releases 02:05:34 <holloway_> probably would be. Are there some docs around how to use that? 02:05:54 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Linux 02:06:10 <jmadero> just four commands 03:55:19 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93694] Not possible to enable table header rows repeat from menubar <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93694> || [Bug 93695] Show Chinese touch a problem <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93695> || [Bug 93696] Row Break Across Pages and Columns menu entry doesnt work correctly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93696> || [Bug 93697] Size of media player dialog should be alot larger <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93697> 05:25:41 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93698] Text with Shadow from MS office 2010 does not render in LO5 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93698> 05:55:49 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93699] Tool Tips left behind on desktop <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93699> 06:25:57 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93700] Application Freeze when resizing sidebar properties tab (right) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93700> || [Bug 93701] crash running StarDesktop.getPropertySetInfo().getProperties() <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93701> 07:26:15 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93702] Highlighting active row and column <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93702> 09:26:42 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93703] SVG imported does not show in presentation, but in editor <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93703> 09:56:48 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93704] App crash when load any .ods files <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93704> 10:42:01 <Mdir> hello 10:43:12 <Mdir> I have a bug. I want to send this bug to developer. how can i do this? 10:43:39 <Mdir> Calc error 12:25:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93706] MATCH don't work correctly with external file <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93706> || [Bug 93707] When I create a form in Writer and export to pdf, Adobe readers type and only password characters appear <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93707> || [Bug 93709] No way to pre-define positions of sub- and superscript <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93709> || [Bug 93708] [Feature request] Add search bar for recently opened documents <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93708> || [Bug 93705] LibreOffice DRAW files open on Microsoft VISIO? <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93705> 12:25:59 * colonelqubit yawns 12:27:42 * mjayfrancis defends castle from invading daughter 12:27:54 <mjayfrancis> I swear we buy her toys. But what is actually interesting? 12:27:59 <mjayfrancis> Everything on my desk 12:28:04 <mjayfrancis> Other people's phones and pads 12:28:08 <mjayfrancis> Glasses 12:28:13 <mjayfrancis> Bottles of all descriptions 12:28:39 <mjayfrancis> Perhaps this is merely the category of "forbidden things" 12:39:59 * colonelqubit laughs 12:46:31 <Mdir> I cant login bugzilla 12:49:04 <colonelqubit> Mdir: hmm 12:49:26 * colonelqubit doesn't think it was caused by updating the version for 5.0.1.2 release, but... 12:50:51 <colonelqubit> Mdir: password fails, or? 12:52:43 <dave_largo> I'm getting bug reports of drop-down menus stopping while constructing documents in 5.0. 12:54:38 <colonelqubit> dave_largo: #s? 12:55:00 <dave_largo> I havent filed any bug reports....I'm absorbing the user information now. 12:55:11 <dave_largo> I'll see if there are any other reports, here is what the user said: 13:06:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93710] Allow special character as separator for numbered headings (and similar) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93710> || [Bug 93711] Translation error (German: "Leerezeichen") in chapter numbering <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93711> || [Bug 93712] The cursor does not move a way from the text in RTL mode <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93712> 13:36:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93713] Unable to right-click Unprotect/Protect cells in Writer Tables <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93713> 14:29:53 <Liongold> Hi 14:37:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93713] Unable to Unprotect Protected cells in Writer Tables from 'Table' menu <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93713> 16:18:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93715] Open Excel Pivot Table in LO Calc causes Excel to crash. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93715> || [Bug 93717] Libre documents are now filed under Adobe and will not open. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93717> || [Bug 93714] Bring back [Un]Protect Cell context menu for protecting/unprotecting cells <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93714> || [Bug 93716] FILESAVE (HTML): handles weak bidi characters as strong ones <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93716> 16:20:53 <steve-_-> colonelqubit: should users be able to set bugs to critical? https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93717 16:21:11 <steve-_-> ah jmadero was quicker than me.. was going to write I highly doubt this is LO related at all 16:21:18 <jmadero> steve-_-: lol 16:21:31 <jmadero> I just say it's not....it's probably user error 99.99% 16:21:36 <jmadero> if not, it's Adobe or OS error 16:21:45 <steve-_-> yep but without OS hard to tell how to resolve this 16:21:51 <jmadero> steve-_-: we are blocking users from setting priority at all 16:21:51 <steve-_-> but dev does not belong in bugzilla 16:21:59 <steve-_-> so how come this was critical? 16:22:04 <jmadero> it hasn't been done yet 16:22:08 <jmadero> well it was, but my patch had issues 16:22:11 <jmadero> so it was reverted 16:22:14 <steve-_-> ah ok. 16:22:24 * steve-_- sit's patiently waiting (: 16:22:28 * jmadero same 16:22:50 <steve-_-> important to get this done. bugzilla needs to be effective 16:23:32 <jmadero> steve-_-: any idea what this is saying https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91743 16:23:33 <IZBot> bug 91743: LibreOffice-LibreOffice enhancement/high UNCONFIRMED Consider adding directory indexing/search 16:24:58 <steve-_-> jmadero: Recoll? I don't understand what this is supposed to mean at all. taking about writing a good bug report… maybe a dev knows. sounds all very techie. also prob not Libreoffice but Calc component 16:25:15 <steve-_-> but I have no clue at all tbh 16:41:24 <steve-_-> jmadero: care to look at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93675 16:41:42 <steve-_-> would be nice to have a second thought on this 16:42:01 <jmadero> sure just let me finish this checkout - keyboard on my laptop broke.... 16:42:03 <jmadero> PITA 16:42:17 * jmadero also had a 3TB external shit out on him two nights ago 16:42:57 <steve-_-> jmadero: tech joy at it's best 16:43:05 <jmadero> always at the worst time 16:43:38 <jmadero> I guess I'm just lucky I know how to fix these things myself - else it would cost $150 instead of $25 16:46:16 <jmadero> steve-_-: so...user didn't provide a sample of what it should look like.... 16:47:38 <jmadero> steve-_-: you opened that docx file?? for me it's heavily corrupted lol 17:00:08 <steve-_-> can you post a link? 17:00:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93718] PRINTING: Envelopes #10 Brother Printer changes to C5 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93718> 17:00:20 <djbello> Bug 92623 - mail merge crashes between step 6 and 7 17:00:27 <djbello> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92623 17:00:28 <IZBot> bug 92623: LibreOffice-Writer normal/low UNCONFIRMED mail merge crashes between step 6 and 7 17:00:41 <djbello> It's actually 4.4.0.0.alpha 17:00:58 <djbello> On my Mac, it doesn't actually crash but hangs indefinitely 17:01:03 <djbello> I have to force-quit the app 17:01:18 <djbello> Let me see if it is the same step as in the bug report 17:01:41 <steve-_-> am I blind? where are the repro steps? 17:02:50 <jmadero> djbello: a good bug report should have very very easy to follow reproducible steps 17:02:53 <jmadero> preferably enumerated 17:03:03 <jmadero> 1. open writer; 2. click on file-> , 3... 4.... 17:03:55 <djbello> Yeah, so it's not the same step as in the bug report 17:04:09 <djbello> I'm getting stuck on Step 5: Adjust Layout 17:04:34 <djbello> Ok, I should file a bug report then. Since this involves having a data source, how should I go about that in the bug report? 17:05:38 <jmadero> djbello: best to make a simple data source for us 17:05:40 <jmadero> the simpler the better 17:05:51 <djbello> Can it be attached to the bug report? 17:05:59 <jmadero> our QA team is small - with 100 million users.....we ask that our users do as much as possible when reporting bugs 17:06:06 <steve-_-> djbello: can you elaborate which steps this bug report is referring to? 17:06:09 <jmadero> djbello: what is the data source? just a spreadsheet? 17:06:20 <steve-_-> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92623 17:06:21 <IZBot> bug 92623: LibreOffice-Writer normal/low UNCONFIRMED mail merge crashes between step 6 and 7 17:06:47 <djbello> Yeah, I created an XLS output file out of SquirrelSQL using the NetBeans-supplied Derby Database and its CUSTOMER table. 17:06:59 <djbello> I'm using that spreadsheet as input for the mail merge 17:07:33 <djbello> But, I have to fiddle around with the Address Block and so I wouldn't want you guys to go through that 17:07:50 <djbello> I will create a Spreadsheet that has all the expected fields so that it maps right away 17:07:54 <djbello> Ok? 17:08:23 <steve-_-> djbello: sounds good. the more info you can provide and the simpler the steps to reproduce the faster the bug will be resolved 17:08:44 <djbello> Sure 17:09:00 <djbello> I will try to gather all I need for the report. 17:09:15 <djbello> I'm also going to cross check if this happens on Windows 7 17:09:21 <djbello> (downloading Libre right now) 17:09:30 <steve-_-> I recall playing with mail merge on osx and running into several problems. but never got down to the root of that back then. 17:10:03 <steve-_-> if you can test and add your findings that would be great since OS differs quite a lot sometimes 17:10:30 <djbello> steve-_-: Yeah, well it worked with Libre 4.4.5, but I wanted to test the new Libre 5 17:10:35 <djbello> And that's when I noticed 17:10:54 <djbello> I am testing mail merge because my wife wants to get into a job where they do that, and I wanted to show her how 17:11:25 <steve-_-> sure. in that case add the keyword "regression" 17:11:49 <steve-_-> hehe, I guess that's probably the story how many of us here in this channel ended up helping out with QA (: 17:14:05 <djbello> :-) 17:15:01 <djbello> Alright. Libra 5 installed inside my Windows 7 VM. I'm gonna check real quick if it hangs on the same step, too 17:25:25 <djbello> Surprise surprise. It doesn't crash or hang on Windows 7. That said, it also doesn't show the preview that is supposed to show in the right side of that panel. 17:25:50 <steve-_-> so this would be a second bug separate bug. and the first one would be OSX only 17:25:59 <steve-_-> if you have time, please do file both 17:26:03 <djbello> Not only that after I go to step 6 with the next button, and the click on back, it goes back to step 4 and step 5 is greyed out 17:26:07 <djbello> Totally weird 17:26:14 <steve-_-> (search for dupes first if you have even more time) 17:26:39 <djbello> Well, I wonder how many bugs are involved here. 17:26:50 <djbello> I can observe three distinct failures at this point: 17:27:00 <djbello> OSX: Step 5 hangs Libre completely 17:27:18 <djbello> Windows: Step 5 does not show preview in right panel 17:27:45 <djbello> Windows: Stepping back from Step 6 moves to Step 4 and grays out Step 5 17:28:03 <steve-_-> any mail merge expert here present? 17:28:58 <djbello> I would think, and I'm not a Libre developer (I am a programmer though) that the preview not showing in Windows and OS X hanging on the same step are somewhat related 17:29:13 <djbello> But the Windows version seems to somehow catch that more gracefully 17:29:33 <steve-_-> hm maybe then one bug and just add all findings. can still be split later as a dev might elaborate with more info 17:30:33 <djbello> I'm also thinking that because something bad happened on step 5, that the Windows version disables that panel and the wizard automatically steps back to #4 over #5 17:30:54 <djbello> So, yeah, I feel this is all related somehow to the same root problem 17:31:31 <djbello> Yeah, so I'm at work right now and will take my lunch break. But I will most definitely file a bug report 17:31:45 <djbello> You goes want me to report back here with a link and bug#? 17:32:07 <jmadero> djbello: that would be great 17:32:14 <djbello> Sure, sure. NP 17:32:17 <steve-_-> djbello: thanks a lot. hope this can be tackled. you can do so, the thing is, we have over 300 unconfirmed bugs atm. so it will cue up there. but feel free to post a link 17:32:28 <steve-_-> maybe someone can instant confirm :) 17:32:36 <jmadero> djbello: and to be honest mail merges are kind of an enterprise thing... 17:32:43 <jmadero> so if there is an issue...well, we'll see what gets done 17:32:57 <jmadero> djbello: if this is being used at work I always recommend considering getting L3 support 17:33:04 <djbello> So, we are using LibreOffice and my company 17:33:14 <jmadero> the alternative option is to wait until a volunteer chooses to fix the issue...which can take time 17:33:30 <djbello> But I have a feeling that it's not being used in many enterprises. i could be wrong though 17:33:45 <jmadero> djbello: I mean the feature itself (mail merge) is an enterprise feature 17:33:48 <djbello> I know that Europe has switched many Gov. entities over to Open-Source products 17:33:54 <jmadero> not many home users use that feature - so not a lot of attention is given to it 17:34:19 <jmadero> by volunteers that is - plenty of companies and government entities have L3 support 17:34:21 <djbello> Hm, yeah. 17:34:25 <jmadero> and then they can dictate what gets fixed 17:34:37 <djbello> We can't assume though that Libre is mainly used at home 17:34:41 <djbello> Right? 17:34:43 <jmadero> djbello: yes we can 17:34:47 <jmadero> lol I've been on the project for years 17:35:00 <jmadero> and if it's being used to make money....we hope that those profiting off of our volunteers will get support 17:35:04 <jmadero> and support the community in return 17:35:17 <djbello> Which is where I'm at :-) 17:35:30 <djbello> We don't even use that feature here at my work 17:35:30 <jmadero> go ahead and report the issue and we'll go from there 17:35:32 <steve-_-> well this is a delicate question. djbello is of course right LO is seeing more "official" usage on state / government side 17:35:34 <djbello> But I figured, I 17:35:40 <djbello> I'll bring it up 17:35:44 <jmadero> steve-_-: indeed - and many of them have paid support contracts ;) 17:35:47 <jmadero> or a paid developer on staff 17:36:06 <steve-_-> yes, which is why I'm optimistic things will further stabilize. 17:36:10 <jmadero> djbello: if it's a regression then there's more that we can do to track down the issue :) 17:36:12 <djbello> I am pretty much the only Open-Source advocate here 17:36:17 <jmadero> which improves chances of getting it fixed 17:36:24 <djbello> Helps though that I'm their IT manager (heheh) 17:36:33 <jmadero> lol I'm the only one at my office as well 17:37:21 <djbello> :-) 17:37:33 <djbello> Ok. I'm gonna has some food and then file the bug report after lunch 17:37:38 <steve-_-> enjoy 17:37:42 <djbello> Gonna leave this chat window open 17:39:59 <jmadero> steve-_-: always tricky with enterprise users...like we don't want to scare them away but we don't want them thinking we're their personal free support staff :) 17:40:07 <jmadero> I haven't figured out the balance yet 17:40:24 <jmadero> it's too bad that the main message of open source for enterprise has been "free" instead of "cheaper" 17:41:19 <steve-_-> yup. def agree this needs to be transported. too many companies give up saying this or that not working instead of understanding: invest into this and we all benefit 17:42:08 <djbello> So my two cents on that is: for a small company that needs to watch how it's spending money, having free software available is extremely helpful. Now if I wasn't as savvy as I am in order to support my users here, I'd probably pay for support. No question. 17:42:31 <jmadero> djbello: sure - again though, we need to be sure that our small team isn't treated like a company private support team ;) 17:42:34 <jmadero> it wasn't aimed at you btw 17:42:36 <jmadero> just a general comment 17:42:49 <jmadero> and "free" is not how LibreOffice (or any other open source project) likes to be thought of 17:42:51 <djbello> Sure, sure. Yeah, I get it. 17:43:16 <jmadero> djbello: one thing I wish would happen is for small companies to form like coalitions 17:43:23 <jmadero> and then pool their limited resources towards bugs they want fixed 17:43:26 <djbello> I myself am hosting an Open-Source project and do pretty much all of it in my spare time. Quite taxing. 17:43:47 <jmadero> djbello: indeed - I do it between real work too :-b and am a director of the proejct 17:44:22 <jmadero> there are a few larger companie that have reported a lot of bugs and try to act like we are their personal support staff...it's quite frustrating 17:44:30 <jmadero> the argument is always "budget constraings" 17:44:33 <jmadero> contraints* 17:44:57 <djbello> Hm, yeah, idk. For bigger companies to say that is quite odd. 17:44:58 <jmadero> djbello: but I appreciate that you came into the chat and are trying to report a good bug report :) 17:45:11 <djbello> Seems legit 17:45:18 <djbello> :-) Thanks 17:45:55 <djbello> Yeah, I filed a few bug reports in my IT life. Mainly on the NetBeans Bug report center 17:46:59 <djbello> NetBeans/Java is sort of a passion of mine 17:47:02 <jmadero> djbello: if it's a regression maybe you can bibisect it :) that gets us a small range of commits that might have caused the issue and then we can poke the developers to see where to go from there 17:47:42 <djbello> bibisect? 17:47:49 <djbello> (sorry, not familiar with that term) 17:48:02 <jmadero> just a tool that narrows down where the problem came from 17:48:12 <jmadero> oh you're on OSX...dammit 17:48:21 <jmadero> well let's just first get it confirmed, then go from there 17:50:09 <djbello> ok 17:51:32 <steve-_-> jmadero: one to confirm for you? seems linux only so far? https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93610 17:53:02 <steve-_-> fantastic example of 10 comments needed to get a step by step repro description :D 17:53:16 <steve-_-> and then getting that from stuart... 17:55:29 <steve-_-> does anybody know if LO 5 is coming to MAS or when that will be? thought MAS was the fresh aka vanilla channel? 18:27:49 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: hiya 18:28:01 <steve-_-> colonelqubit: how's life? you did move did you? 18:28:18 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: yep, still super hot here in Texas 18:28:29 <colonelqubit> one sec, brb 18:28:43 <steve-_-> unconfirmed bac kto 479? whaa… 18:28:58 <steve-_-> just confirmed / closed a few. 18:30:00 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: yep, #s have been hopping 18:30:10 <colonelqubit> haven't had much time to jump into them 18:30:34 <steve-_-> so many users keep finding many bugs in general or what's the trend? 18:30:41 <colonelqubit> it's a mix 18:31:04 <colonelqubit> waves of bug triagers -- sometimes people have more time to dedicate to it 18:31:22 <steve-_-> also regression count is pretty high with close to 600. is this something dev department wants to address or where are they putting their focus? 18:31:43 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: regression #s seemed to be stabilizing a bit, but the counts do seem to increase 18:32:19 <steve-_-> somewhat SNAFU. 18:32:31 <steve-_-> (: 18:42:38 <jmadero> I think regressions are higher because we're tagging better 18:42:43 <jmadero> it's hard to tell though 18:43:08 <jmadero> and Michael tracks regressions closely and gives #'s to ESC 18:43:08 <steve-_-> jmadero: agreed. def the case 18:44:43 <jmadero> not much more we can do to be honest 18:45:20 <jmadero> shit the new thunderbird is really freaking buggy 18:45:37 <steve-_-> with 1 dev left this will be interesting where thunderbird is going 18:45:54 <colonelqubit> did I mention to y'all that I had lunch with Thunderbird guy at OSCON? 18:46:07 <steve-_-> the one remaining? 18:46:12 <steve-_-> hope it lives on 18:46:17 * steve-_- dinner time here 18:46:18 <colonelqubit> quite possibly...I think :P 18:46:22 <steve-_-> cu all 18:46:23 <steve-_-> (: 18:46:25 * colonelqubit waves 18:47:14 <colonelqubit> jmadero: I'm looking forward to hearing what you and Ilan cook up re: LibreOffice + lawyering 18:47:33 <jmadero> I think ball is in his court now..but I forget where that left off to be honest 18:47:38 <colonelqubit> I know he was busy down here with TXLF, but hopefully he'll have some free time now. 18:47:51 <colonelqubit> jmadero: September going to be busy for you? 18:48:01 <jmadero> yeah - it's hiring season at the DA 18:48:07 <jmadero> I start in felony narcotics next Thursday 18:48:36 <colonelqubit> just tell them that we all think you're dope 18:48:55 <jmadero> lol probably would make their decision easier 18:48:58 <jmadero> "leave....now" 18:49:36 <jmadero> how do I pull a specific commit 18:49:39 <jmadero> into master build 18:49:54 <colonelqubit> just want to apply it on top of your existing branch? 18:50:08 <jmadero> yeah 18:50:13 <colonelqubit> git cherry-pick <commit hash> 18:50:16 <jmadero> thanks 18:50:25 <djbello> jammed 7 steve-_-: Looks like the behavior with the hang on OS X could be a regression of this bug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65743 18:50:26 <IZBot> bug 65743: LibreOffice-Writer critical/high VERIFIED FIXED MAILMERGE - hang in step 5 of mailmerge wizard "adjust layout" 18:50:27 <colonelqubit> YMMV, of course... 18:51:02 <jmadero> djbello: a regression of a bug? 18:51:11 <colonelqubit> oh, mailmerge... 18:51:16 <djbello> Possibly 18:51:16 <jmadero> you mean it's regressed back to that state, or a side effect of that bugs fix? 18:51:46 <djbello> Well, no, it seems this bug was verified and fixed according to the status 18:52:03 <djbello> I'm just saying, I was going to file the bug report and this came up as a possible dup 18:52:07 <jmadero> colonelqubit: fatal: bad object fa1807ad5457d10f8fa073c209a27547e8922c8c 18:52:08 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=fa1807ad5457d10f8fa073c209a27547e8922c8c in a couple of minutes 18:52:21 <jmadero> ah - I'd say report a new one still 18:52:23 <djbello> and the described behavior looks indeed to be what I am experiencing with LO5 18:52:27 <jmadero> maybe put that other one in "see also 18:52:34 <jmadero> since that one was closed as FIXED - hold on 18:53:02 <jmadero> yeah it was confirmed as fixed also 18:53:06 <djbello> I know 18:53:07 <jmadero> even if it's same symptoms could be different code 18:53:21 <jmadero> I'm not sure that Caolan is still around...I forget...maybe cc him on it :) 18:53:24 <djbello> but could it possibly be that the bug slipped back into 5? 18:53:35 <jmadero> um - I leave those discussions to developers who know more than I do 18:53:43 <jmadero> it's possible - but we have 10 million lines of code 18:54:04 <djbello> Ok. Well, I'm gonna file a new one then and point to this being a possible "regression" (should I use that word?) 18:54:42 <jmadero> djbello: yeah sounds good 18:54:47 <jmadero> say the symptoms are the same 18:55:05 <jmadero> colonelqubit: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=fa1807ad5457d10f8fa073c209a27547e8922c8c 18:55:06 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=fa1807ad5457d10f8fa073c209a27547e8922c8c in a couple of minutes 18:55:07 <djbello> will do 18:55:09 <jmadero> that's the one I want 18:55:16 <jmadero> keeps rejecting the commit 18:55:33 <colonelqubit> jmadero: already applied? 18:55:38 <jmadero> no 18:55:44 <jmadero> I haven't build or pulled in days 18:55:46 <djbello> Or: would it be better to re-open the bug? 18:55:56 <jmadero> djbello: new bug report please :) this one has been closed for awhile 18:56:01 <jmadero> we don't REOPEN bugs often 18:56:11 <djbello> got it, got it. sorry. 18:56:14 <colonelqubit> jmadero: oh, is it in your repo? 18:56:16 <jmadero> don't apologize! 18:56:53 <jmadero> djbello: we'd love if you make LibreOffice a hobby also :) as you can see there's plenty to do :) 18:57:03 <jmadero> colonelqubit: no - it fails to pull saying bad revision 18:57:06 <jmadero> or bad object 18:58:20 <colonelqubit> jmadero: what does 'git show <sha1>' say? 18:58:37 <jmadero> what is sha1? 18:59:03 <colonelqubit> jmadero: the hash of the commit 18:59:18 <jmadero> bad object 19:00:06 <colonelqubit> jmadero: yeah, do a 'git remote update' -- I think you need to update your tree 19:00:21 <colonelqubit> 'cause that commit says it's from today 19:00:39 <colonelqubit> alternatively, you could just apply the code as a patch 19:02:01 <colonelqubit> jmadero: so you could download this http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/patch/?id=fa1807ad5457d10f8fa073c209a27547e8922c8c 19:02:23 <colonelqubit> then I think you'd need to remove the extra lines from top and bottom (but that might not be necessary) 19:02:43 <colonelqubit> apply with something like patch -p 0 < name-of-patch-file.patch 19:03:53 <jmadero> update fixed it thanks 19:04:31 <colonelqubit> yes, much easier than patching by hand :P 19:25:10 <jmadero> sweet, maxim fixed my bug :) 19:25:27 <jmadero> now just to find out why UX removed outline button from toolbar while leaving numbering and bullets... 19:31:01 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93719] MAILMERGE: Freezes On "Step 5: Adjust Layout" in OS X Or Does Not Show Preview on Windows 7 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93719> 19:31:37 <djbello> jammed and steve-_-: I have filed the bug report here: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93719 19:31:38 <IZBot> bug 93719: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED MAILMERGE: Freezes On "Step 5: Adjust Layout" in OS X Or Does Not Show Preview on Windows 7 19:31:45 <djbello> jmadero 19:31:47 <djbello> (not jammed) 19:32:07 <jmadero> djbello: are those two bugs in one report? 19:32:10 <jmadero> distinct issues?? 19:32:40 <djbello> As I said earlier, I think they are part of the same issue 19:33:12 <djbello> You told me they could be split into two bugs if the devs deem it to be separate issues 19:33:24 <jmadero> oh okay, I misunderstood but that's fine 19:33:24 <jmadero> thanks 19:34:06 <djbello> You'll see what I mean when you read through my description. Can you please glance at it and tell me if I need to add more info or clarify things? 19:42:48 <jmadero> djbello: looks awesome and thorough 21:07:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93720] Crash "Assertion failed" with Draw Frame on table. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93720> || [Bug 93721] Formatar - estilos e formatação (Styles and format) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93721> 21:37:35 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93722] Bug opening tools <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93722> 23:34:25 <ahoneybun> wishes colonelqubit would use telegram more 23:37:57 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93723] Zoom and page icons not visible <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93723> 02:08:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93724] BASE: Insert Row in Filtered Form with Date/Time Fields results in Phantom zero date displayed instead of null, not saved <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93724> 03:38:48 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93725] 觸控很不友善 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93725> || [Bug 93726] 觸控很不友善 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93726> 05:09:06 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93727] Date Literal should be supported <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93727> 06:39:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93728] INSTALLATION: file extensions default to opening Archive Manager <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93728> 08:10:13 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93729] Styles and Formatting <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93729> 08:41:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93730] Option VBASupport prevents calculation of functions <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93730> || [Bug 93731] Chart export legend contains hidden lines <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93731> 09:41:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93732] Startcenter window does not have a title <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93732> || [Bug 93733] Assertion failed when clear font size field in paragraph style <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93733> 10:11:32 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93734] FULLSCREEN Ubuntu unity <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93734> 10:41:38 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93736] Bottom stroke line of a rectangle is half-drawn when using OpenGL <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93736> || [Bug 93735] should use GL debug messages to help API tracing <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93735> 11:41:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93741] Flickering Text During Autocomplete <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93741> || [Bug 93737] Cannot insert page numbers using Libre Office 5.0.0 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93737> || [Bug 93738] Menu Entry for File > Templates not translated <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93738> || [Bug 93739] Clarify ambiguity in help file for adding a control <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93739> || [Bug 93740] Special object in unit test "media_embedding" makes that LO does not respond in presentation mode <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93740> 14:06:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93745] UI - Writer letter wizard, Step 2, using headed paper, shows no sizing arrows <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93745> || [Bug 93742] New password protected library lose module and code <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93742> || [Bug 93743] Opening a document with Writer 4.5.2 originally created with Writer 4.3.7.2 loss of format and partial content in tables <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93743> || [Bug 93744] Printing problem using RTF text <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93744> || [Bug 93746] When you protect a cell in a Writer Table, cursor jumps to an adjacent cell <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93746> 14:36:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93747] Apply style in a selected table cell leaks to another table cell <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93747> 16:00:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93748] Explorer crash while drag & drop LibO 64bit ods file to google Drive <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93748> || [Bug 93725] use touch screen instead of requiring function keys <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93725> 16:30:59 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93749] New password protected library lose code after reload <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93749> 19:01:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93750] EMF+ is not displayed at all <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93750> 21:31:58 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93751] GL textures destroyed while still bound to framebuffers <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93751> 22:02:04 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93752] Formatting error incompatibility with MS Word 2013 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93752> 23:02:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93753] Forms and Drawings do not show up in exported pdf <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93753> 00:32:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93754] IMPORT EMF doesn't show some text <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93754> 03:03:04 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93755] Unexpected Behaviour Change <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93755> 06:03:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93756] Background color is not shown in character style list <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93756> 06:33:44 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93757] Using function wizard causes UI fault <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93757> 07:03:49 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93759] Mouse position and selection does not match <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93759> 08:21:27 <steve-_-> morning world. what channel is the macappstore LO version on? is that fresh? 08:23:31 <steve-_-> cloph_away: do you know anything about that? 09:34:25 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93760] Strange behaviour with numbering when printing a selection <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93760> || [Bug 93761] LibreOffice upgrade will not install due to Error 1303 insufficient privileges in program folder <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93761> 09:40:27 <Indra> Hi, I'm trying to do some bulk file conversion from .lwp to .pdf submitted as DOS command prompts through a Windows batch job and after converting some, LO stops responding and doesn't convert any further files. A reinstall resolves it temporarily. Any pointers on this would be much appreciated. Using LO 5 on Win 7 13:35:14 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93762] 5.0.0.5 does not detect that an update is available <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93762> 14:35:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93763] Styles and Formatting <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93763> || [Bug 93764] Paragraph border added to paragraph area <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93764> 15:55:12 <DennisRoczek|afk> IZBot: ping 15:55:12 <IZBot> pong 16:35:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93765] ReportBuilder : Grapphs are not visualized. Error Message <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93765> 18:36:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93766] Calc Crash Access Violation <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93766> 19:36:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93767] Comment boxes do not print (PDF/paper) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93767> || [Bug 93768] Comment box text is highlighted <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93768> || [Bug 93769] New tab "sets of styles" or "design" has the same icon as styles. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93769> || [Bug 93770] Libreoffice can't install update for spellchecker 3.0, it crashes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93770> 21:06:45 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93772] switching context does not un-bind framebuffers correctly ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93772> 00:07:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93773] Problem on inform ballons <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93773> 00:37:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93774] Dot Product PDF-Rendered As Cross Product <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93774> || [Bug 93775] SIDEBAR: Improve the Wrap section of the properties tab <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93775> 01:07:35 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93776] Import of Word Doc formatting errors with text box locations <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93776> 02:07:44 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93777] Draw Scroll Bug <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93777> 07:08:36 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93765] ReportBuilder : Graphs are not displayed in report. Error Message <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93765> 10:09:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93779] SEH Exception: ACCESS VIOLATION <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93779> 12:40:09 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93780] On triggering an event passing the reference of the related object as argument <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93780> 14:10:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93781] Writer generate style with strange names when copy-pasting as RTF from Impress with Chinese UI <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93781> || [Bug 93782] Add reversed line endings <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93782> 16:10:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93783] WIKIHELP: How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Calc points to openoffice.org site <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93783> 16:39:10 <beluga> this just in: we are all rocks https://twitter.com/odyzzeia/status/637663433962487808 16:41:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93773] Tooltip text does not fit its container (GTK+2, Adwaita) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93773> 16:46:13 <beluga> nice to see these educational efforts :) http://www.pcworld.com/article/2977112/software-productivity/why-you-should-ditch-openoffice-and-use-the-free-libreoffice-suite.html 16:58:55 <beluga> commented with oh-so-clever recruiting attempt :) http://ostatic.com/blog/first-update-to-libreoffice-5-lands 17:11:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93784] FORMATTING: text jumps to the next page without reason <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93784> 17:41:18 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93785] FORMATTING: register-true has no effect with text in frames <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93785> 18:11:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93786] Image shows "Read-Error" shortly before it gets drawn <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93786> || [Bug 93787] Graphic issue if tooltip disappears <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93787> 18:38:08 <beluga> something for TDF to join? http://karlitschek.de/2015/08/user-data-manifesto-2-0-launched/ 18:41:33 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93788] Non-content changes aren't enabling the saving symbol <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93788> 22:12:19 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93789] text background color not displayed in slide show <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93789> 03:13:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93790] Insert "Page break" before Summary <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93790> 06:13:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93791] FORMATTING of cells lost when editing content in general input field <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93791> 06:44:04 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93792] Minimization <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93792> 07:14:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93793] Document from FTP server "locked" when canceling password dialog on save <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93793> 07:44:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93794] spin buttons not rendered in gtk2 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93794> 08:04:20 <bubli> Hello world - 08:05:22 <bubli> can anyone with some spare cycles verify, if 4.4.x is affected by tdf#93600 ? I can't really tell from the date of merge of the offending commit 08:05:23 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Calc major/highest NEW Condition Formatting: Entering "=" in comparison value crashes program https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93600 08:14:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93794] spin buttons not rendered in gtk2/gtk3 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93794> 08:21:49 <mjayfrancis> bubli: Assuming you're talking about commit fd28dea50930797652afbdce6992bea08c56caa0, I don't see that was backported to 4.4 08:21:52 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=fd28dea50930797652afbdce6992bea08c56caa0 in a couple of minutes 08:23:09 <bubli> Lovely 08:23:48 <mjayfrancis> At least, scanning "git log origin/libreoffice-4.4" shows no sign of the original commit hash or its accompanying message 08:24:07 <mjayfrancis> Er 08:24:16 <mjayfrancis> That's libreoffice-4-4 for the branch, of course 08:26:54 <bubli> Wonderful, less backporting 09:14:38 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Bug #1419 (New): I/O operation on closed file when trying to submit translations in pootle <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1419> 09:14:39 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93795] "Restart Numbering" is not shown as change when recording changes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93795> || [Bug 93796] COLOR PICKER Select current color <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93796> 09:35:39 <Hedaja> Hello, 09:44:44 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Bug #1365 (New): Untranslatable string on donation page <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1365> 10:08:07 <jphilipz> mjayfrancis: aniki, when you get some time #93794 10:08:08 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium NEW spin buttons not rendered in gtk2/gtk3 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93794 10:14:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93797] [Feature Request] Update zoom percentage display in calc immediately after change. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93797> || [Bug 93799] Status bar re-appears after data-sort when the area sorted contains a function <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93799> || [Bug 93798] apitrace and glerrors ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93798> 10:45:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93800] Cannot edit document (odf) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93800> || [Bug 93801] protect a table cell <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93801> 10:56:53 <beluga> hmm.. looks like I need to look at nearly 200 reports created when I was gone :D 11:01:48 <jphilipz> beluga: have you been on holiday? 11:07:59 <beluga> jphilipz: yeah, since Aug 3 11:08:45 <beluga> I did visit IRC, but mostly did summer cottage things 11:10:41 <Hedaja> Hello, 11:12:30 <Hedaja> I think i found a bug in writer with automatic table of contents. It's not that easy and clearly reproduceable, so I wanted to ask if its possible to activate some kind of logging. 11:13:24 <beluga> Hedaja: hmm.. well macro recording is an experimental feature 11:13:47 <jphilipz> Hedaja: well you can file a bug report and do a screencast and submit along with the report 11:14:21 <beluga> tools - options - libreoffice - advanced - enable macro recording, if you want to give it a shot 11:14:33 <jphilipz> beluga: yep qubit asked me to help with QA as the number was 500+ last week 11:15:03 <beluga> I think several other regulars will return from vacation soon 11:15:05 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93802] Cannot edit form <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93802> 11:15:30 <beluga> so we will kill those stats.. I do have some other errands to run this week, so can't jump in with full force immediately 11:17:17 <jphilipz> i'll full myself with design stuff and i've been few bugs myself, so maybe you can go through mine when you start :D 11:17:19 <Hedaja> thanks..I'll giv it a try and also try to reproduce it in an anonymised document 11:18:10 <jphilipz> there are means to scramble the document content if you want to send in the one you currently have 11:19:22 <jphilipz> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Sanitizing_Files_Before_Submission 11:34:03 <Hedaja> thx for the tip....after replacing the text with x, the bug still appears, so it should be reproducable 11:34:45 <jphilipz> great, so dont forget to attached the XXX version :D 11:35:20 <beluga> "the R rated document" 11:35:23 <Hedaja> made two veri 11:35:34 <Hedaja> versions..one before the bug happens and one afterwards 11:41:52 <Hedaja> ok...the bug has been there for a while...tested my document in Libreoffice 4.3 too 11:42:03 <Hedaja> when I'm at home I'll file the bug 11:51:30 <beluga> Hedaja: thanks. If you want to come and help in the future, you can read this https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage 11:56:40 <Hedaja> Helping the LibreOffice team is already on my list, but I don't have the time at the moment. Maybe from mid november ;) 12:02:18 <jphilipz> look forward to seeing you Hedaja whenever you got time :D 12:02:58 <Hedaja> good bye 12:15:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93803] com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription getname() documentation is incorrect <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93803> || [Bug 93804] Impress: crash when editing a paragraph box's line <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93804> 13:30:51 <Liongold> Hi 13:31:28 <cloph> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90038 if you're bored and have a vm-collection with different distros :-P 13:31:30 <IZBot> bug 90038: LibreOffice-LibreOffice major/medium NEEDINFO CMIS https never connect / timeout but http work (Debian amd64) 13:34:49 <colonelqubit> cloph: looks like some tbs are no longer producing dailys of master (46, 62, ...) 13:35:05 <cloph> colonelqubit: complain to those breaking the build :-) 13:35:42 <colonelqubit> Fair enough; I'm just passing-along info to the tb owners as requested 13:35:44 * cloph restarted the non-building bots earlier today, but of course won't help for windows (master broken since quite a while) 13:36:30 * colonelqubit has been buried under requests/inquiries this week 13:37:11 <cloph> and /me attended two great concerts :-P 13:37:37 <cloph> colonelqubit: if you have the pootle-feedback mail so I can take a look before the 502 branch/tag... 13:37:57 <colonelqubit> cloph: yes, definitely 13:38:38 * cloph is right now preparing translation update for 5-0 branch, so I can create a fresh emoji duplicate report 13:38:38 <colonelqubit> I think got around to turning my random notes into something useful 13:40:17 <colonelqubit> kendy: are you back as well? 13:44:36 <kendy> colonelqubit: Hi! :-) 13:44:39 <kendy> what's up? 13:45:43 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93805] SIDEBAR: Show style preview within closed style combobox <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93805> || [Bug 93806] Copying, pasting or duplicating slides gets increasingly slower and slower <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93806> || [Bug 93807] Updating cell style while in edit mode doesnt refresh text <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93807> 13:47:47 <colonelqubit> kendy: hiya, just got a few pings about tb's that were out of commission this weekend 13:48:00 <jphilipz> cloph: would be great if you could enable google drive in the daily builds, so i can test the new CMIS work the GSoC student is doing 13:48:33 <cloph> I thought there was a bot that has those enabled? 13:48:41 * cloph must have misunderstood that mail back then. 13:48:59 <jphilipz> yes the windows bot :D 13:49:05 <jphilipz> no linux bots :( 13:49:34 <kendy> colonelqubit: My was off for the last 2 weeks when I was away... Was afraid to keep it running for 14 days unattended, as once it broke in a way that spammed everyone each 5 minutes about some breakage; imagine that for 2 weeks ;-) 13:49:55 <colonelqubit> kendy: ah, fair enough 13:50:24 <kendy> colonelqubit: Now working on a fix to be able to enable it again (there is a windows build breakage currently). 13:50:57 <colonelqubit> kendy: yep, was just chatting w/cloph on that topic 13:51:09 <kendy> colonelqubit: Pushing the fix in a minuet. 13:51:09 <colonelqubit> kendy: thanks for the update :-) 13:51:11 <kendy> minute 14:11:53 <colonelqubit> kendy: I trust that Windows builds off of the 5.0 branch are still ok? 14:12:10 * colonelqubit just thinking about 5.0.2 RC1 this week... 14:15:15 <cloph> colonelqubit: we'll know in ~1h :-) 14:15:23 <colonelqubit> ;-) 14:15:50 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Task #1421 (New): Sun 24 reinstallation <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1421> 14:15:52 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93808] Database crashed <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93808> || [Bug 93809] Double ligne cell borders not saved <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93809> 14:18:17 <kendy> colonelqubit: I'm afraid it's not either 14:18:42 <colonelqubit> hmm 14:18:50 <kendy> colonelqubit: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/18175/ is I guess needed there too, but mst__ is looking at that 14:18:51 <IZBot> gerrit: »vcl: Improve management of mnRef0Count.« by Jan Holesovsky for libreoffice-5-0 [NEW] 14:18:56 <kendy> colonelqubit: See the main dev channel 14:19:15 <kendy> colonelqubit: If you get a build breakage there, please try with that patch 14:21:32 <colonelqubit> kendy: ok, I'll probably be checking w/cloph to make sure his TB is happy before branching/tagging 14:23:02 <kendy> colonelqubit: OK 14:23:10 <kendy> colonelqubit: When do you plan to tag, please? 14:28:16 <colonelqubit> kendy: was going to confer w/cloph on that one -- wed/thurs, I believe 14:28:59 <colonelqubit> perhaps after ESC, in case there's a need to adjust? 14:32:10 <cloph> yes - thu is planned 14:32:48 <kendy> colonelqubit, cloph: Sounds great - thanks! 15:32:19 <cloph> colonelqubit: 5-0 branch looks good on win, at least in packaging stage already :-) 15:33:41 <Liongold> Bye 15:46:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93810] Libreoffice BASE 5.0.1.2 cannot use JRE <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93810> || [Bug 93811] Allow insert of table into text box <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93811> 16:16:19 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93812] Spreadsheet column aliases break when new row is inserted <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93812> || [Bug 93813] Integration of a color picker control into the sidebar and color picker dialog <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93813> 16:46:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93814] cache binary compiled versions of shaders ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93814> 17:16:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93815] Dragon NaturallySpeaking no longer works after LibO 5 update: still asks to repeat <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93815> 17:46:38 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93816] Automatic table of content wrong page number when formated <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93816> 18:46:52 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93817] (not responding) in Windows 10 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93817> 19:16:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93818] Cannot open most lwp docs (booklets) Windows 10 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93818> || [Bug 93819] Calc opens xlsx file slowly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93819> 19:47:07 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93820] eliminate or update help.libreoffice.org site <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93820> 20:17:13 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93821] not storing & restoring window contents under menus ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93821> || [Bug 93822] disable background saving with GL enabled ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93822> 20:47:20 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93823] EDITING: Numbering mixed between different levels in master document <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93823> 21:17:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93824] EDITING Calc Writing formula with + sign, do not select cell <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93824> 21:47:36 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93825] Missing accessibility events when selecting/deselecting cells in Calc <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93825> 22:47:45 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93826] Automatic TOC Excludes Header <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93826> 23:17:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93827] resizing Writer/opening sidebar when using web layout loses position in document <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93827> 00:18:05 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93828] Incorrect and duplicate accessibility events when Writer paragraphs become selected <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93828> 04:10:55 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93829] show non printing characters idiosyncrasy. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93829> 05:41:14 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93810] Libreoffice BASE 5.0.1.2 cannot use JRE (Windows) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93810> 07:02:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93830] PPTX import: DrawingML fallback of Vertical Picture List SmartArt is not imported correctly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93830> 08:33:52 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93831] FILEOPEN, FILESAVE <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93831> 09:04:00 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93832] Flaw when importing a Word .doc file <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93832> 09:34:07 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Task #1422 (Feedback): Sun 24 re-purpose for developer tasks <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1422> 09:34:08 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93833] Track Changes not working correctly with styles FORMATTING REGRESSION <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93833> 09:43:33 <mjayfrancis> jphilipz: In ce5470cb3eb7e5394ef1d7cb1906886abab80d5d you seem to have removed the ability to create a pivot table from the Calc menus 09:43:36 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=ce5470cb3eb7e5394ef1d7cb1906886abab80d5d in a couple of minutes 09:44:36 <jphilipz> mjayfrancis: Insert > Pivot Table 09:45:53 <mjayfrancis> Hmm. OK 10:04:15 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Task #1423 (New): SilverStripe workshop and webcast at LibOCon Hackfest <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1423> 10:04:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93832] Import of Word .doc file with frames and drawings objects is wrong <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93832> 10:34:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93834] CALC: Moving with arrows doesn't work when cells activated by double mouse click and '=' clicked <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93834> 12:04:42 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93835] some emoji unit has not KeyID in Pootle <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93835> 13:04:54 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93836] Writer crashes when searching a keyword in Zathura <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93836> 13:35:01 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93837] Allow customization of the Context Menus <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93837> 14:05:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93838] opengl glyph caching misplaces start center text <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93838> || [Bug 93839] vdevs shared OpenGLContexts - end up broken. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93839> 14:44:54 * ali_ slaps mahfiaz around a bit with a large fishbot 15:35:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93840] flickering drop-down list in the sidebar <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93840> 15:52:25 <beluga> can anyone with built-in help repro #93108 15:52:26 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Documentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED HELP: Entering characters in Index input field does not move the selection forward in the list https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93108 15:53:39 <beluga> works ok in 5.0.1 Ubuntu.. maybe needs windows or 5.1 16:50:55 <beluga> anyone updated to win 10 #93158 16:50:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Installation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED windows 10 installed https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93158 16:54:12 <cloph> nah, that's a bad subject for a bug. And you don't need to kill the explorer to install LibreOffice... 16:57:33 <beluga> cloph: I needed to close Firefox to install 5.0.1 today! 16:57:45 <beluga> I was disgusted 16:58:53 <beluga> why would firefox use LibreOffice's files? 17:02:25 <cloph> maybe an updated version of the msv runtime or something 17:31:42 <arnaud_versini> Hi everyone 17:35:23 <beluga> hi arnaud 17:36:43 <arnaud_versini> beluga: Hi 17:37:07 <beluga> arnaud_versini: are you on vacation? :) 17:37:13 <arnaud_versini> beluga: No snif 17:37:29 <beluga> :( I was on vacation for nearly 3 months!! 17:37:30 <arnaud_versini> It starts on september 11 17:37:54 <arnaud_versini> beluga: Team qui glande lol 17:38:12 <beluga> only 1 month vacation from QA though :) 17:38:53 <arnaud_versini> beluga: I've things to do about a french important free software in TOulouse 17:39:11 <arnaud_versini> mmeeks: A conf il Capitole du Libre ? You know the place it's on 21 et 22 november :-D 17:40:15 <arnaud_versini> beluga: 2015.capitoledulibre.org 17:40:53 <beluga> FOSS is so big in France :) 17:41:27 <arnaud_versini> beluga: Not big enough, especially on desktop 17:41:35 <beluga> even eco open source http://www.poc21.cc/magazine/ 17:42:44 <beluga> and this wonderful thing is brought to us by French FOSS heads as well http://framablog.org/2015/09/01/mypads-seconde-version-admissible/ 17:42:59 <arnaud_versini> beluga: To us ? 17:43:13 <beluga> to us etherpad users == TDF :) 17:43:27 <beluga> then we can have private TDF pads 17:43:34 <arnaud_versini> beluga: Ah ok 17:43:58 <arnaud_versini> beluga: I think they are interested to have a LO online on their servers 17:44:12 <beluga> Framasoft, eh? cool 17:44:37 <arnaud_versini> Yep 17:44:47 <beluga> yeah they are really pushing for FOSS cloud/hosting stuff 17:45:07 <beluga> they even host their own instance of Gitlab 17:45:48 <arnaud_versini> beluga: Yep, Framasoft is one of the most important free software association in France, with April and AFUL 17:46:02 <arnaud_versini> beluga: And also ubuntu-fr 17:50:07 <arnaud_versini> jphilipz: Hi 17:50:29 <jphilipz> hey arnaud_versini 17:51:27 <arnaud_versini> jphilipz: Nice talk with Michel ? 17:52:04 <mmeeks> arnaud_versini: ah ! =) well - it was fun last year - but not this year =) 17:55:05 <jphilipz> arnaud_versini: nope havent heard from him since the initial email 18:07:04 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93841] Logical results (boolean) instead of numeric ones in calc <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93841> 19:08:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93842] A "can't find this feature" button <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93842> 21:08:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93843] : Once an ODT file has been saved and you close the file while leaving LibreOffice open the program crashes and automatically goes into recovery mode of the saved files. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93843> 00:11:02 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93844] SIDEBAR: Style previews in Styles and Formatting tab in Calc <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93844> 00:41:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93845] SIDEBAR: Checkbox to enable/disable style previews in the Styles and Formatting tab <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93845> 01:41:23 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93846] Emoji does not work those had been translated <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93846> 04:11:55 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93847] Repaint problems with LibreOffice on Gtk3 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93847> 07:12:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93848] labels are not printed <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93848> 07:38:05 <steve-_-> hi all. does anybody know who is dealing with the MasAppStore version of LO? 07:41:15 <steve-_-> was somewhat astonished to see 4.6.6 in MAS and later the same day 5,0.x but maybe thats due to the Apple review process 07:44:17 <beluga> steve-_-: maybe thorsten ? 07:52:12 <beluga> this will always give some clues https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert 08:18:03 <steve-_-> hey beluga. how's life on your end? 08:18:27 <beluga> steve-_-: got back to work this week 08:18:58 <steve-_-> back to the routines... 08:20:41 <beluga> well there is always something interesting :) 08:24:05 <beluga> steve-_-: did you notice qubit is going to do some sort of a scientific experiment today regarding meetings http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2015-August/009036.html 08:24:28 <beluga> floeff: would it make sense to promote the dev mentor job at http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/ ? 08:25:13 <floeff> sure, spread the word as much as possible :)( 08:25:26 <steve-_-> beluga: interesting 08:26:22 <beluga> floeff: I tried to promote it yesterday in Reddit and in this hiring thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10155328 08:42:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93849] Allow specifying the JDBC jar in the Database Wizard <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93849> 08:53:56 <beluga> ok the Stackoverflow job listing is for pay 10:13:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93850] shader compilation can take a while ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93850> 10:37:16 <steve-_-> mjayfrancis or other OS X users, do you have thoughts on https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93853 and https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70753 ? 10:37:17 <IZBot> bug 70753: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW FILESAVE: "Export Directly to PDF or save as PDF both result in a pdf file which shows all checkboxes as checked in OS X preview while not all are checked 10:43:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93851] Formula giving unexpected result <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93851> || [Bug 93852] UI Can't resize new cell comment (need to store it first) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93852> || [Bug 93853] Checkbox in PDF exported from writer has "x" instead of "✔" <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93853> || [Bug 93854] Cannot understand relationships between numbers by looking at the chart (usability) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93854> 10:52:50 <beluga> oh qubit where art thou? 11:13:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93855] EDITING: Indent lost when deleting next line/bullet point <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93855> 11:23:47 <tagezi> what bug is it? http://itmag.es/4lln2 I have it on my building of master branch around three days already. 11:29:18 <tagezi> without IDKey http://itmag.es/Cf8c 11:43:44 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93856] FILESAVE: Videos copied from separate .PPTX files cause loss of one video <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93856> 13:03:41 <beluga> the mother of version field edit wars #92399 13:03:43 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Linguistic normal/medium NEW Search broken for Tibetan https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92399 13:10:46 <colonelqubit> beluga: bigger label? 13:12:15 <beluga> colonelqubit: make the logo big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fwV-dI0DxM 13:12:16 <IZBot> YouTube - HTTP Error 410: Gone - failed to get YT info from videoID 2fwV-dI0DxM 13:15:47 * colonelqubit goes to watch relevant docs 13:22:25 <steve-_-> beluga: (: 13:25:14 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: hiya 13:25:45 <steve-_-> hey colonelqubit 13:26:12 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: anything interesting I should mention to ESC tomorrow? 13:27:06 <steve-_-> nothing critical atm. nice to have LO 5 in the MAS (macappstore) with breeze as default. 13:27:54 <steve-_-> VisualEditor for the wiki is still on my wish list. but as said, nothing critical. 13:27:58 <colonelqubit> ok 13:28:49 <colonelqubit> beluga: aside from Bigger Logos, anything else pressing? ;-) 13:29:56 <beluga> colonelqubit: not yet, I haven't had time to dig in properly into the bug backlog 13:30:07 * colonelqubit nods 13:30:48 <colonelqubit> yeah, I think we're up over 500 again. I'm going to try to drop that down today 13:31:10 <steve-_-> colonelqubit: two checkbox oddities on osx: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93853 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70753 13:31:12 <IZBot> bug 70753: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW FILESAVE: "Export Directly to PDF or save as PDF both result in a pdf file which shows all checkboxes as checked in OS X preview while not all are checked 13:31:31 <steve-_-> the osx preview might be notourbug 13:34:07 <steve-_-> but feel free to ignore, I'm sure there's a ton of other things. 13:34:18 <colonelqubit> I'll take a look 13:35:08 <colonelqubit> first one looks rather minor, but I'll try to confirm 13:40:00 <steve-_-> and I wonder if https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93815 is related to https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81759 13:40:02 <IZBot> bug 81759: LibreOffice-LibreOffice major/high NEW Mac OS X dictation doesn't work anymore in LibO [Bisected: 179334dd4, see Comment#32] 13:44:15 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93858] Page Orientation hand-over to PDF-output in OS-print-dialogue incorrect <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93858> || [Bug 93857] opengl glyph caching misplaces writer text <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93857> 13:47:00 <jmadero> can someone quickly test this bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93841 13:47:01 <IZBot> bug 93841: LibreOffice-Calc normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Logical results (boolean) instead of numeric ones in calc 14:14:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93859] Radio buttons are all "selected" when using OpenGL <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93859> 14:53:47 * colonelqubit wonders how many people compose phone hold music... 15:10:05 <colonelqubit> Hi all! 15:10:14 <tagezi> hi 15:10:27 <colonelqubit> tagezi: :-) 15:10:57 <colonelqubit> tagezi: anything interesting/relevant I should mention at the ESC tomorrow? 15:14:36 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93860] crash after marking a table and moving the mouse wheel <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93860> 15:15:27 <tagezi> i don't know :) i grub in git and gerrit tutorial 15:44:47 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93843] once saving and closing an ODT while leaving LibO open the program crashes and automatically goes into recovery mode of the saved files <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93843> 16:11:17 <sophi> colonelqubit: maybe this one to monitor, as it affects all OS https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93356 16:11:20 <IZBot> bug 93356: LibreOffice-Calc critical/high NEW SORTING causes crash Calc 16:14:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93861] Tabulator icon does't change properly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93861> 16:22:36 <colonelqubit> sophi: thanks 16:55:02 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: ping 17:09:11 <colonelqubit> Hi all 17:09:44 <colonelqubit> Still soliciting feedback on best times for future QA Meetings 17:10:04 <colonelqubit> and (as always) interested to hear about high-prio bugs and issues :-) 17:45:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93862] Size of the window calculated in the wrong way <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93862> || [Bug 93863] Can not disable Autoupdate via Group Policy <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93863> || [Bug 93864] Visual issues within the chart <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93864> 17:45:19 <colonelqubit> Anyone running Android on x86 or x86-64? Or have a VM? 18:03:50 <tagezi> colonelqubit: yes 18:04:26 <tagezi> but LO does not run on android x86 18:10:58 <colonelqubit> tagezi: indeed -- just was looking for a confirm/note re: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91941 18:11:00 <IZBot> bug 91941: LibreOffice-Android Viewer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Android: LibreOffice Viewer doesn't work on x86_64 18:12:03 <tagezi> 1. Buy a ZenFone 2 18:12:09 <tagezi> :))) 18:12:27 <colonelqubit> tagezi: what's limiting us running on x86(-64) ? I guess we can just note that in the report and move on 18:13:07 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: You should ask the bug reporter ! :-D 18:13:32 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: No ? 18:14:11 <tagezi> i have sony tablet, but i agree LO does not run. 18:14:27 <arnaud_versini> tagezi: What sony tablet ? 18:15:23 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93865] 'save as' odt-file all open windows freezed <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93865> 18:15:34 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Libo viewer is built for ARM 32 I think, that's why it doesn't work on my phone 18:15:44 <colonelqubit> tagezi: yeah, I liked arnaud_versini's repro steps :-) 18:16:27 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I tried to build, and I will start again but got an error 18:17:01 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: for some reason I thought we had an x86 tb, but maybe that was just the tb name and it was cross-compiling 18:17:30 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: For android, or running on a x86 server ? 18:17:51 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: x86 tb for Android 18:18:16 * colonelqubit thinks that could have been a LOOONG time ago 18:18:17 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Ok, I'm not sure 18:18:34 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I'll try before Corsica ! 18:21:35 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: We need also to add a Android x86_64 distribution in the git repo 18:22:33 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: I looked into non-ARM Android stuff, and it was mostly dead, right? 18:22:55 <colonelqubit> I mean, seems like consensus is that if you're putting a Linux kernel on x86(-64), why use Android... 18:23:31 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: It's a phone ! 18:24:17 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Not so stupid to have Android on a phone ! 18:25:35 * colonelqubit is eagerly waiting when he can choose a better distro for his phone... 18:25:37 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Asus seems to produce almost every devices with x86 18:26:08 <colonelqubit> as long as the battery keeps up, and the device doesn't try to burn me like my laptop.. 18:30:21 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: The LO viewer MUST be THE document viewer, especially on my phone :!-) 18:31:59 <tagezi> colonelqubit: ops.. Sony Tablet S has NVIDIA Tegra 3 chip (ARM) 18:33:28 <tagezi> Why LO does not work on it? :( 18:34:26 <arnaud_versini> tagezi: Not the same but 18:34:27 <arnaud_versini> bug 18:35:58 <tagezi> arnaud_versini: I think that the developers will not help me 18:36:49 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: We plan to have a crowdfunding in rance 18:36:51 <arnaud_versini> france 18:40:28 <tagezi> what bug is it? http://itmag.es/Cf8c 18:45:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93866] ICONS: Parent icon theme links.txt duplicate records not inherited in child themes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866> 18:46:21 <colonelqubit> tagezi: what's the issue w/your tablet? 18:47:16 <tagezi> colonelqubit: no. it is my building of master branch 19:26:57 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: For build, every week you create a free accoint on Amazon Cloud and build LO on it :-D 19:40:12 <dave_largo> Anyone know of any work done to connect LibreOffice to owncloud? 19:46:58 <colonelqubit> dave_largo: for storage, or? 19:47:11 * colonelqubit remembers some notes about using it on the backend 19:47:26 <dave_largo> It would be nice to be able to file > open a personal account and to be able to see the files. 19:47:34 <dave_largo> Similar to the other backends. 20:02:26 <colonelqubit> dave_largo: theoretically, you can connect to it as a WebDAV server. Last I recall, there were a few open bugs 20:02:53 <dave_largo> Good thought, that might work. 20:03:09 <dave_largo> We are exploring some ideas for giving the users some storage space with personal devices. 20:03:25 <dave_largo> It would sit outside the city network and would not be backed up. 20:03:31 <dave_largo> If it gets hacked, we'd just roll it back 20:03:45 <dave_largo> A transitory document type thing 20:10:01 <colonelqubit> yeah, I'd just give it a shot. I remember testing something like that previously... 20:45:57 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93867] using GL threads across threads incorrectly ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93867> 20:55:47 <colonelqubit> Who has a netbook with a horribly-small vertical resolution? 20:55:54 <colonelqubit> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93862 20:55:56 <IZBot> bug 93862: LibreOffice-LibreOffice major/medium UNCONFIRMED Size of the window calculated in the wrong way 20:59:45 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I explained how to reproduce it !!!!!! 20:59:52 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: What's the problem :-D 21:00:13 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: please attach $300 to the bug report for a phone 21:00:43 * colonelqubit has no idea how much those phones cost.. 21:01:53 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: YUou can try with mine in Aarhus also :-D 21:01:58 <arnaud_versini> ++ 21:02:06 <colonelqubit> ah, okay 21:13:17 <colonelqubit> Aaaand arnaud runs oft! 21:16:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93868] Background colour is missing in ppt/ppts file, making text invisible <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93868> 21:46:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93869] FILEOPEN Opening this file takes very long and then puts Writer in an unusable unviewable state <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93869> 22:46:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93870] Disable DirectX slideshow when in OpenGL mode ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93870> 05:17:58 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93871] Navigator Navigation Toolbar Name Is Ambiguous <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93871> || [Bug 93872] Make Navigator Navigation Toolbar Dockable <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93872> 06:18:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93873] The typing speed is really slow <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93873> 07:18:27 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93874] DOCX import table: colors and structure lost <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93874> 07:48:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93877] Sidebar on the right breaks Fitt's law for scroll bar (screen edge) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93877> 08:11:18 <steve-_-> hi all. I don't see too much difference in opening time when comparing excel + LO when opening this test file: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93819 08:18:41 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93878] save formulas in xls <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93878> 08:48:48 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93879] FILESAVE FILEOPEN <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93879> 09:18:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93881] calc <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93881> || [Bug 93882] LL profile folder not set correctly with 5.0 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93882> || [Bug 93880] Impress: The menu items do not display during the slide show <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93880> 09:49:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93883] FILESAVE: Bullet is added to empty line when saved as .PPTX <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93883> 10:19:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93885] UI Rendering problems <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93885> || [Bug 93884] odd text rendering artifacts in slideshow <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93884> 11:19:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93886] Markers disappeared <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93886> 13:19:52 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93887] Writer: Crash when clicking the middle mouse button click paste <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93887> || [Bug 93888] Writer: Crash when clicking the middle mouse button click paste <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93888> 13:49:58 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93889] Extraordinary, un-necessary busy-loop removal ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93889> 14:20:06 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93890] FILEOPEN clean-up of bookmark-start and -end breaks references <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93890> || [Bug 93891] Add compare documents to command line interface <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93891> 14:25:58 <steve-_-> colonelqubit: thanks for looking into https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//show_bug.cgi?id=93853 14:29:29 <steve-_-> so what would the enhancement request be there? the box should not be tickable in exported pdf. it should just remain what the user sees in the LO file 14:30:42 <colonelqubit> steve-_-: well, more what jay said: We should use the checkmark widget when we export 14:30:51 <colonelqubit> so that WYSIWYG 14:31:10 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: plingity plumbity 14:33:26 <steve-_-> colonelqubit: sounds good. hope that's not too complex to fix 14:37:09 <beluga> colonelqubit: will TDF sign http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2015/09/03/kde-signs-the-user-data-manifesto-2-0-and-continues-to-defend-your-freedom/ 14:38:45 <colonelqubit> beluga: hiya 14:39:18 <colonelqubit> beluga: I'm in a meeting -- lemme read after :-) 14:40:05 <beluga> colonelqubit: now I realized maybe it should be brought to ESC, if someone would like to mentor as a CoreHack the completion of the VLC backend (as described in my thread http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/helpwanted/programmers/thread/3e8d52c8/ ) 14:43:31 <colonelqubit> beluga: lemme take a peek 14:43:47 <colonelqubit> beluga: you going to be around for a bit after the call? Would like your input 14:44:00 <beluga> yeah 14:46:50 <colonelqubit> great; gimme a minute to make some notes here 14:50:13 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93892] The close button in menubar is empty with openGL <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93892> || [Bug 93878] save formulas in xls (A:A) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93878> 15:03:03 <colonelqubit> beluga: ping 15:04:14 <beluga> colonelqubit: yeah 15:06:15 <colonelqubit> let's see... so tell me about the data manifesto 15:06:59 <beluga> colonelqubit: here it is http://udm.branchable.com/ 15:07:32 <beluga> you see it is not a very long manifesto ;) 15:07:46 <beluga> it seems for v2.0 they made it more clear and simple 15:18:55 <colonelqubit> beluga: seems like a lot of great ideas; I wonder how much work it would be to live and breathe that 15:20:19 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93893] Report Builder and others are not bundled in ubuntu "apt-get install" libreoffice / libreoffice-base <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93893> || [Bug 93894] calc doesn't handle well the column labels in a table with more than one line of data. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93894> 15:20:20 <beluga> yeah.. if it extended to all web platforms we use 15:20:31 <colonelqubit> e.g. if you just have 1 server for a project, and it lives under someone's desk, then some things like knowing geographical location, etc.. is pretty simple 15:20:50 <colonelqubit> but the web platforms? Yeah, that'll be a little different 15:20:59 <beluga> many people are annoyed that emails get posted publicly in the bug mail list 15:21:19 <beluga> that's why so many choose disposable addresses and we get further headaches 15:22:08 <colonelqubit> " Obviously, without the source code of the programs used to deal with user data, this is impractical. This is why programs available to exploit exported data should be available under a Free Software (Open Source) License." 15:23:03 <colonelqubit> so that seems to imply that any (all?) hosted software that operates on user data should be as such 15:23:59 <beluga> if limited to LibO itself, it becomes more relevant with the online version 15:24:12 <colonelqubit> sure 15:30:37 <beluga> jmadero: we are looking at user data manifesto http://udm.branchable.com/ 15:50:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93895] Problem with AutoCalculate when pasting data from non-adjacent cells <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93895> 15:56:03 <colonelqubit> beluga: re: VLC, I do think it's interesting 15:57:10 <colonelqubit> I know that michael had some concerns, but if there is interest and skill out there, it would at least be interesting to hear about feasibility 15:59:27 <beluga> yeah. it was a nightmare in 2013, but should be much easier now judging by the API improvement history & official C++ wrapper 16:20:33 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93896] Non-ASCII characters in comments corrupt when RTF is reopened <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93896> 16:25:18 <beluga> colonelqubit: do website improvement ideas live in Redmine now? 16:25:42 <colonelqubit> beluga: one sec 16:26:46 <colonelqubit> beluga: yes, infra bugs/enhancements should all go to redmine 16:40:12 <beluga> ok class Webserver seems to have relevant reports, I will move this there #93251 16:40:13 <IZBot> LibreOffice-LibreOffice enhancement/low UNCONFIRMED Website could offer magnet links in addition to a torrent https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93251 16:52:39 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Feature #1428 (New): Website could offer magnet links in addition to a torrent <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1428> 17:23:33 <beluga> colonelqubit: so how to react to these reports that are caused by windows messing up its own registry when upgrading #93239 17:23:34 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Installation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Install LibreOffice with Windows 10-A64, installed on Windows 8.1-A64 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93239 19:47:20 <beluga> colonelqubit: ^^ invited AndreasB from the tracker here :) just sent him a reply 19:47:47 <beluga> he has time for occasional testing 19:51:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93897] export to html doubles blank lines <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93897> || [Bug 93898] Several Undo operation during editing macro makes LibreOffice crash (and it can not be restored during restarting LibreOffice) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93898> 19:58:40 <jmadero> beluga: saw your message this morning but I was getting ready for work (just about to head back) just wanted to say I wasn't ignoring you :) 19:58:48 <jmadero> or if I was, it was justified and nothing personal 19:59:08 <beluga> jmadero: it was a case of professional ignoring :) 19:59:32 <jmadero> exactly - a case of PI 19:59:49 <beluga> well it was not like I was seeking comments ASAP about the manifesto 20:00:50 <beluga> but TDF being a pillar of the community, I guess it is relevant to look into signing it and joining KDE, GNOME & friends 20:02:13 <jmadero> beluga: you want to do the mass ping this month? 20:02:20 * jmadero will give you QA details 20:02:41 <jmadero> else I will this weekend 20:03:38 <jmadero> going once, going twice 20:03:39 <beluga> hmm maybe you can do it still this time 20:03:42 <beluga> :D 20:03:43 <jmadero> +1 20:03:45 * jmadero waves 20:03:48 <jmadero> first day back in the office 20:03:52 <jmadero> late is not appreciated :-D 20:03:56 <jmadero> by judges or bosses 20:04:10 * beluga waves 20:21:32 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93899] CALC: Page numbering in footer starts with ZERO <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93899> 20:51:38 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93900] Standard color palette is listed twice <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93900> || [Bug 93901] "Edit Paragraph Style" dialog does not save changes anymore after using "apply" button <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93901> || [Bug 93902] ERROS NA LEITURA DOS MACROS <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93902> || [Bug 93903] Style sheet "Quotations" not translated into German language <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93903> 21:00:41 * colonelqubit still wonders why Apple hardware doesn't like talking to his wireless router.. 21:51:54 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93904] Strange Behaviour of Fields->Document->Chapter->Level <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93904> || [Bug 93905] overwrite the styles from document template modifies footer <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93905> 22:21:59 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93906] Heading of userdef. index: Keep with next paragraph initially broken <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93906> 23:22:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93907] FILEOPEN: TXT File missing paragraphs <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93907> 23:52:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93908] the German quotation mark isn't the same character (Writer to Calc) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93908> || [Bug 93909] invoking insert insert hyperlink from keyboard shortcut maps to Format Character...Hyperlink instead of Insert...Hyperlink <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93909> 00:22:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93910] mousing over hyperlink provides no cues on how to open <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93910> 03:03:45 <jmadero> I just did some serious bug touching - 500+, sorry for the spam 05:09:29 <joaopaulo1511> Hi all! I am trying to add some font substitution to LibreOffice, but I have a doubt editing "http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu". How to make it substitute fonts as "always" or as "only when not installed"? 05:10:27 <beluga> joaopaulo1511: maybe you can try http://ask.libreoffice.org/ 05:10:53 <joaopaulo1511> thank you! 05:10:58 <joaopaulo1511> bye 05:53:32 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93911] SEARCH find only searches in formula and not values <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93911> 06:53:43 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93912] Persistently 100% CPU usage by soffice.bin headless after accessing throw SDK <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93912> 08:24:06 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93879] MS PowerPoint Viewer doesn't open .ppt and .pptx saved by LibO <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93879> || [Bug 93913] Remember interface settings for Impress <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93913> 08:54:13 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93914] Formatting <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93914> || [Bug 93915] Checkboxes not visible in dialog boxes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93915> 09:24:21 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93918] Insert image in Impress inserts multiple copies <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93918> || [Bug 93916] Lost image in header <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93916> || [Bug 93917] Lost image in header <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93917> 09:54:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93919] DOCX import: indent of bullet paragraph is wrong <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93919> 12:55:05 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93920] PRINTING double side printing should be managed independently of printer settings <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93920> 13:55:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93921] Random crashes when editing the attached document <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93921> 14:25:27 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93922] Input help tooltips don't disappear after changing sheets <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93922> || [Bug 93923] UI unresponsive on resizing a chart in a large spreadsheet <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93923> 14:26:08 <kompi> hi, all 14:28:40 <kompi> why you deemed minor bug about flickering interface in 93840? GUI is a face LibreOffice... 15:21:58 <tmacalp> Hello. Is there anyone on who runs KDE and could possibly confirm a bug for me? (bug#93123) To test, desktop effects need to be disabled (alt-shift-f12). 15:25:45 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93914] date formatting reverted to US language on Win10 install <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93914> 15:55:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93924] Scaling of images in Impress is too clever by heart <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93924> || [Bug 93925] Regression: Comments lost in PDF Export of documents with comments inside margin <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93925> 16:25:59 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93926] Correct word is corrected to wrong word (Differenzeierbarkit) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93926> || [Bug 93927] Insert statement too long <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93927> || [Bug 93928] The tooltip hides the zoom slider <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93928> 17:26:09 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93929] Text wrapping is broken on the libreoffice.org website homepage. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93929> 21:27:06 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93930] Footnotes greyed out in Insert <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93930> || [Bug 93931] Thesaurus greyed out <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93931> 21:48:42 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: https://twitter.com/mashable/status/639892973279412224 21:51:53 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: hiya 21:52:35 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: SO MANY! 22:24:51 <arnaud_versini> ++ 00:27:40 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93932] UI <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93932> 00:57:47 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93932] UI (Assuming UI means User Input) The trouble is: user can not enter a cell comment - insert comment creates a box and typing does not show the characters. Clicking on the box makes the box go away. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93932> 02:28:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93933] Accessibility event "flood" and lag when opening certain large Writer documents <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93933> 03:58:22 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93934] Entire row and column export to and import from MS Excel 97-2003 format broken <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93934> || [Bug 93935] Accomodate ADFS Authentication for CMIS Sharepoint 2013 (for Office365 use) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93935> 03:58:33 <mjayfrancis> I LIVE 03:58:40 <mjayfrancis> colonelqubit: You rang, milud? 04:18:09 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: heya! 04:19:07 <colonelqubit> I need to do some querying to figure out who performed our 1000th bibisection 04:20:08 <colonelqubit> Aside from just looking for whiteboard tag... 04:20:23 <colonelqubit> was wondering if you had thoughts 04:28:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93936] Creating a formula using Ctrl can incorrectly append a comma at the beginning of the function argument <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93936> 04:37:16 <mjayfrancis> Sounds a little nightmarish. Simply searching for whiteboard:bibisected and ordering the result by "Changed" gets most of the way there, but not precisely - you'd need to order by time of searched comment, and I can't think of a way of doing that without poking at the underlying database directly 04:37:55 <mjayfrancis> Incidentally I passed a few recently where someone has claimed "bibisected" but has only used the releases repo - entirely unhelpful 04:41:28 <mjayfrancis> And on a related note - I left a range compiling before going away a couple of days ago. Before I left it was happily chugging away on the 99th in the series 04:41:36 <mjayfrancis> When I got back, make had hung on the 100th 05:28:39 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93937] Calc Input line with automatic conversion to entire row/entire column <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93937> || [Bug 93938] I can't see the lower end of the scrollbar <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93938> 06:28:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93939] color palete and border not work property <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93939> 06:30:46 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: ach! too bad... 06:31:00 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: yeah, I was afraid I'd have to search directly in postgres... 07:46:10 <beluga_> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/09/04/improving-security-for-bugzilla/ we are disclosing today that someone was able to steal security-sensitive information from Bugzilla. 08:43:11 <mjayfrancis> We don't keep any there 08:43:27 <beluga_> mjayfrancis: yeah it was Mozilla's BZ instance 08:44:03 <mjayfrancis> And as I read it probably more an issue of credential management than a code issue 08:44:05 <mjayfrancis> The human factor 10:29:43 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93940] M/D date presentation <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93940> 13:30:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93941] Invisible table borders show up in pdf through non-white cell background <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93941> 15:00:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93942] Capitalisation inconsistences. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93942> 16:30:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93943] caption <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93943> 17:00:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93944] gotoStart does not work in a writer document starting with table <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93944> 17:29:50 <beluga_> eh.. could we get Brother to join TDF :P ? #93132 17:29:51 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Printing on Brother HL-1110 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93132 17:30:58 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93945] Cannot copy and paste function from Math to Writer <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93945> 17:42:39 <beluga_> GTK3 anyone #93192 17:42:41 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Plus and Minus buttons in dialogs too big https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93192 17:45:34 <beluga_> jphilipz: have you noticed this for Arabic #93333 17:45:35 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Linguistic normal/medium UNCONFIRMED missing languages in autocorrect lists (Arabic, Chinese, Japanese) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93333 17:50:28 <jphilipz> beluga_: dont see where to find this in the autocorrect dialog 17:54:43 <beluga_> hmm maybe we need to ask for more details 18:01:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93946] there are frame wrap issues with multiple frames anchored to page within a multi column page. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93946> || [Bug 93947] Data Labels should be able to rotate around the edges instead of the center <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93947> 18:02:22 <beluga_> jphilipz: it's the dropdown Tools/AutoCorrect/AutoCorrect Options.../Replace/Replacements and Exceptions for languages 18:02:58 <beluga_> I guess I'll set to NEW 18:04:46 <jphilipz> beluga_: was jumping from one tab to the next and the drop down was disabled in some of the tabs, so i assumed it was disabled in all the tabs :D 18:19:47 <beluga_> is this a bug or feature? #93300 18:19:48 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Calc enhancement/medium UNCONFIRMED Style formatting overrides direct formatting when using conditional formatting https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93300 19:01:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93948] 'File>New>text document" opens a particular template every time, rather than a blank document <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93948> 19:31:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93949] FILESAVE: Saving as XLS results in invalid/broken document <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93949> 20:01:35 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93950] ODT Documents from Google drive do not open until application cache is cleared <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93950> || [Bug 93951] Changing a formula calculation to include § causes truncation <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93951> 20:31:41 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93952] FILEOPEN: PPTX: Wrong rotation and position of a shape inside a group <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93952> 21:01:47 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93953] Crash when accessing Tools > Macros > Organize Macros > Javascript <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93953> 22:32:02 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93954] The left & right margins don't match the page setting <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93954> 23:02:08 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93932] User can not enter a cell comment - insert comment creates a box and typing does not show the characters. Clicking on the box makes the box go away. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93932> || [Bug 93955] Help Pages not Displayed for Main Items of Menu <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93955> || [Bug 93956] Editing MS Excel 97-2003 workbook (*.xls) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93956> 23:32:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93957] "HORIZONTAL_ELLIPSIS" is wrong word in emoji.po <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93957> 01:02:28 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93958] copy and paste images in writer <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93958> 03:04:53 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93959] Sorted a range causes crash and lost of data in spreadsheet <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93959> || [Bug 93960] Name Box when clicking on column/row heading <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93960> 03:34:59 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93961] Solver solution improper <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93961> 06:05:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93962] FILEOPEN: Line Arrow lost when opening a svg file <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93962> 07:35:45 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93942] Capitalisation inconsistences <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93942> 08:05:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93963] LibreOffice stop open Microsoft files <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93963> 08:35:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93964] Opening a file protected by password will result in multiple "Enter password entries" in Dock contextual menu <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93964> 09:06:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93965] load libreoffice windows start <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93965> || [Bug 93966] windows quickstart <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93966> 11:06:27 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93967] LibreOffice Crash always after try to save <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93967> 13:06:54 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93968] Bullets character style uses opensymbol font so has square box preview <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93968> 17:21:09 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93973] problems importing csv file containing array formula <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93973> 19:51:38 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93974] Task Not Closing on Exit <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93974> 22:42:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93970] LO Writer default style: Header1, 2, 3 0.76 cm indent is extra <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93970> 23:12:23 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93973] Inconsistent treatment of array formulas if imported, inserted or entered as text using the curly brackets. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93973> || [Bug 93975] Formatting table borders resets spacing to contents (and vice-versa) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93975> 03:13:07 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93976] crash when selecting paragraph options <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93976> 04:13:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93977] The attached Microsoft word document look differently when opened in libreoffice <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93977> 05:43:34 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93978] Crash after scrolling mouse for zoom after setting page background color <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93978> 07:13:51 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93980] pixel offset with impress <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93980> || [Bug 93979] helpauthoring: Keyword in looses initial '/' <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93979> 08:44:14 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93981] helpauthoring: Attribute localize=(false|true) is deleted <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93981> || [Bug 93982] helpauthoring: sections with id="howtoget" are renamed to "SectionN" <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93982> 09:44:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93983] Calculation error with -x^y <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93983> || [Bug 93984] Tabs tool visual bug <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93984> 10:49:37 <x1sc0> Hello all, one question, is dataLoss in whiteboard still in use? I see that there are only 3 bugs using that tag: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org//buglist.cgi?list_id=556854&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&status_whiteboard=DataLoss&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr 11:14:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93985] [HELPAUTHORING] Extended tip dialog does not ask for path <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93985> || [Bug 93986] FILEOPEN: fonts garbled in Visio object from DOCX <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93986> 12:15:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93987] SVG Export of Chart omits text (X Axis labels) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93987> 12:45:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93988] Long tables in Writer splitted into columns not keep formating <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93988> 13:41:18 <Liongold> Hi 13:45:23 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93989] crash on chart insert ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93989> 14:15:34 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Task #1395 (In Progress): infra call <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1395> 14:15:35 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93990] closing error <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93990> || [Bug 93991] combo-box, missing left-border pixels ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93991> 14:45:42 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93993] UI Usability - Open a ppt, press one of the arrow keys - unexpected behaviour <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93993> || [Bug 93992] Typos in Calc function names and error codes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93992> || [Bug 93994] Document crashing / not opening <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93994> 14:51:42 <Liongold> Hi 16:16:05 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93994] IMPRESS: ODP not opening anymore in Windows <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93994> || [Bug 93995] deleting program as a shader ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93995> 16:46:10 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93996] gltf rendering timer is far too fast ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93996> 17:16:16 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 93997] Fileopen <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93997> 17:42:44 <beluga_> cloph: should these be moved to Redmine https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=WWW&list_id=556906&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&short_desc=TDF%20site&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr 17:52:27 <cloph> the old ones likely are obsolete... 17:54:26 <beluga_> cloph: ok.. I guess you can check & close then.. source: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Useful_Queries#Particular_Sites.2FFeatures 17:55:02 <beluga_> was giving an intro to a new contributor severoraz, and I bumped into that page 18:20:54 <colonelqubit> shm_get: heya -- apologies for not pinging you on IRC after I emailed about 5.0.2.1 on Saturday 18:21:16 <colonelqubit> shm_get: Learning the intricacies of pootle extraction took a long time, and by the time I got things squared away and tagged, I was a little out of it 18:21:40 <shm_get> colonelqubit 5.0.2.1 uploading now... 18:21:51 <colonelqubit> shm_get: great, thanks 18:22:03 <shm_get> langpack half way done... 18:24:37 <shm_get> colonelqubit unless I'm disconnect (which _may happen if I have an internet outage.. but then you'll notice since I won;t be on irc) pinging me on #libreoffice-dev is the best way for me to notice.. I 'm much less likely to mess that than an email among the hundreds that land overnight.. I will ping back when I notice the ping and will ping back again when the upload is done 18:25:12 <shm_get> s/mess/miss/ 18:29:47 <colonelqubit> shm_get: yeah, fair enough 18:30:06 <shm_get> colonelqubit upload done 18:30:25 <shm_get> colonelqubit of course that imply that you keep a connection to irc :-) 18:30:26 <colonelqubit> shm_get: I'm not the biggest fan of mobile apps, but I get very little traffic on Telegram, so if you want me to ping you there, I'd be happy to 18:30:43 <colonelqubit> shm_get: I need to set up a persistence tool for iRC 18:30:53 <colonelqubit> in my copious free time, of course.. . :P 18:31:58 <colonelqubit> shm_get: quick question: Is there a way for me to have one of the build machines test-build before I tag a release? 18:32:12 * colonelqubit guesses that the build hardware is much faster than his machine 18:35:02 <shm_get> realease build are slow and heavy due to the horribly inefficient 'translation' process.... shot answer is no, not 'build hardware' is setup currently to deal with full blow release build with all the submodules.... not in any automated ways anyway. which platform are you refering to anyway ? 18:45:18 <colonelqubit> shm_get: oh, I just mean doing a smoke-test of a branch before tagging an RC (on linux) 18:46:04 <colonelqubit> branch = release series branch 19:16:40 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94000] Fatal Error (jni_uno bridge) after trying to start helloworld.js <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94000> 19:30:19 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Hi 19:46:47 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94002] Checkmark and radiobox symbols are not scaling properly. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94002> || [Bug 93997] Fileopen: xml excel file General input/output error. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93997> 20:16:54 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94003] LO Calc AutoInput <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94003> 20:47:01 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94004] Trend line equation should fit in chart <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94004> 21:17:03 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94005] Finer adjustment for manual character spacing <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94005> || [Bug 94006] OpenGLContext - ref-counted and manually managed ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94006> 02:48:09 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94007] Calc fails to paste long row of numbers from Excel <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94007> 04:48:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94008] FILEOPEN: Crash openning password protected xlsx file <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94008> 05:42:20 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: plunk 05:42:28 <mjayfrancis> Yerrss? 05:43:59 <colonelqubit> i'm thinking about what QA-related tasks would be good to accomplish/discuss at Aarhus 05:45:07 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: Just something for you to mull over 05:46:00 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: oh -- what's the latest time I should start meeting on Wed? 05:46:13 <colonelqubit> (so that you stand a chance of joining :-) 05:47:20 <mjayfrancis> Busy to the point of insanity (or possibly just busy going insane?) for the next two weeks getting ready for my talks, but I'll do my best 05:47:46 <mjayfrancis> Not to mention preparing to spend a month away from home, which has its own problems 05:48:04 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: ah yes, fair enough 05:49:01 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: I understand the feeling of being crazy-busy 05:55:08 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: you going to join the hackfest on the 24th? 05:55:56 * colonelqubit was thinking about organizing some QA work to happen concurrently 05:56:42 <mjayfrancis> Haven't heard anything about that 05:56:51 <mjayfrancis> Right in the middle of the conference? 05:57:02 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: I think it's after? 05:57:16 <colonelqubit> I mean, after the conference (end of the day) 05:57:22 <mjayfrancis> That would be the 26th 05:57:29 <mjayfrancis> Wouldn't it? 05:57:44 <mjayfrancis> Oh, you mean during it, but at night? 05:57:45 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Aarhus2015 05:57:50 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: yes, at night 05:57:57 * colonelqubit is a bit tired from the day 05:58:06 * colonelqubit waves at beluga_ 05:58:06 <mjayfrancis> Don't see why not 05:58:43 <mjayfrancis> I don't have much in the way of portable computing power at the moment. I don't work around the place much, so my recent expenditure has been optimised for that ;) 06:00:22 <mjayfrancis> As far as the other thing is concerned 06:01:57 <mjayfrancis> As I see it, the available QA work is an order of magnitude larger than the number of volunteers we have. Advocacy might increase that number two or three times, but that won't change that essential imbalance 06:02:10 <mjayfrancis> Therefore at the top level, the topics go something along the lines of 06:02:19 <mjayfrancis> 1) Decreasing the amount of work to be done 06:02:35 <mjayfrancis> 2) Increasing the amount of work that can be accomplished with minimal person power 06:03:00 <mjayfrancis> 3) Making it easier for ephemeral help to do things that are small, but useful 06:03:39 <colonelqubit> One ongoing challenge is to get the right bugs (with a particular set of repro requirements) into the hands of someone who has the right setup to test them 06:04:18 <colonelqubit> whether those types of bugs make up 50% or 10% of the total bug count, having them hang out in UNCONFIRMED means that person after person will bump into them 06:04:28 <colonelqubit> *triager after triager 06:05:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: I re-worked patch for access control to bugzilla fields. YOu're an admin on the test bugzilla VM, right? 06:06:04 <beluga_> colonelqubit: no, I'm not an admin in the test 06:06:19 <beluga_> only in prod 06:07:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: ah, okay 06:07:32 <beluga_> I gave an intro to an eager new contributor yesterday btw. 06:07:46 <colonelqubit> beluga_: if you could go poke at the test VM today or tomorrow, that'd be helpful. You should... 06:07:50 * colonelqubit goes to check... 06:08:49 <colonelqubit> beluga_: ...not be in the contributors group? 06:08:53 <beluga_> when we get a new QA contributor that really gets into it, we should immediately instill in them the idea that they must find several replacements for themselves 06:09:46 <beluga_> we have to get outreach working like a perpetual motion device 06:09:53 <colonelqubit> beluga_: suggestions on how best to do that w/o being too intense? 06:10:06 <colonelqubit> I mean, some people are naturally good at interactions, but some are shy 06:10:13 <beluga_> :) yeah 06:11:49 <beluga_> we can never demand anything from anyone, but we can outline a clear strategy for sustaining the team 06:11:58 <colonelqubit> beluga_: anyhow, for bz-test server, here's the expected behavior: 06:11:58 <colonelqubit> 1) if you're not in the 'contributors' group (you're not currently), you should be unable to edit the Severity field 06:12:13 <beluga_> ok I will look at a report 06:12:24 <colonelqubit> 2) YOu can set the Severity when filing, but if you're not in that group, it uses the default Severity 06:12:40 <colonelqubit> 3) If you're in the group, those restrictions are gone 06:12:49 <colonelqubit> ANd of course 06:12:49 <colonelqubit> 4) no bad side-effects ;-) 06:13:06 <beluga_> correct, I don't see a drop down for severity 06:13:15 <beluga_> for priority, yes.. is this supposed to change? 06:13:59 <colonelqubit> beluga_: I was just testing the one field. Sounds like people would like to restrict both? 06:14:35 <beluga_> I thought that was the idea :) 06:14:47 <colonelqubit> beluga_: multiple people have had multiple suggestions... 06:14:51 <beluga_> as priority is the new MAB etc. 06:15:06 <colonelqubit> beluga_: right, indeed. The restriction on Severity was more recent 06:15:22 <beluga_> yep, the new MABless system would depend on restricted priority 06:15:40 <beluga_> severity is not even that important in the scheme 06:15:50 <colonelqubit> suggestion was to only let release engineers set 'blocker'-level 06:16:15 <beluga_> yep I read something along those lines in ESC minutes 06:16:26 <beluga_> very-critical 06:16:44 <colonelqubit> beluga_: It's possible that the severity field might have some use, but I agree that it's less clear how crucial that will be 06:16:47 <beluga_> I guess that is some doge-inspired term :P 06:17:02 <colonelqubit> much bugs 06:17:04 <mjayfrancis> Very bug, so critical 06:17:29 <colonelqubit> my friend got a doge 06:17:29 <beluga_> put a doge-icon next to it for good measure 06:17:38 * colonelqubit will take that under advisement 06:17:45 <beluga_> take it to ESC 06:17:47 <colonelqubit> beluga_: oh, what time should I have the QA meeting on wed? 06:17:56 * colonelqubit will DEFINITELY bother ESC with that detail.. 06:18:15 <beluga_> colonelqubit: when you have properly woken up? 06:18:20 <colonelqubit> beluga_: lol 06:18:45 <beluga_> after morning cereal 06:20:24 <mjayfrancis> About 10:00 GMT is the latest I'm definitely available atm 06:20:51 <mjayfrancis> 13:00-15:00 GMT if arranged beforehand 06:21:14 <mjayfrancis> And I'm unlikely to be around much at all in the month following the conference 06:23:34 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yeah, morning cereal helps a lot 06:25:49 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: let's see... so that's 3.5h from now or 5AM my time...hmm 06:26:04 <colonelqubit> 13:00 could work 06:26:16 <mjayfrancis> 9PM here 06:26:33 <mjayfrancis> If I know something's on then I can arrange to be available 06:26:43 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: yeah, fair enough 06:31:22 <colonelqubit> Okay, I'll go with 1300 GMT, at least for this week. Hopefully we can pick up a few more Europeans 06:31:44 <colonelqubit> for ahoneybun, that's only 9AM, so hopefully doable :-) 06:37:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94008] FILEOPEN: Crash opening password protected xlsx file <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94008> 07:38:15 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94009] FILESAVE: DOCX - Margins not preserve <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94009> || [Bug 94010] UI: Horizontal srcoll Wheel backwards with RTL sheet and kde4 ui <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94010> || [Bug 94011] TABLE: Table border (dashed) is not saved <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94011> 08:08:48 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94012] Constant crash after upgrade <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94012> 08:39:21 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94013] selection of vertical text in Frame leads to crash when using GTK3 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94013> || [Bug 94014] Target in Document dialog has icons with transparency issues <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94014> 09:48:16 <beluga_> anyone have 4.4 installed #93433 09:48:17 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED incomplete display of long autocorrect list in the replacement table https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93433 09:53:32 <IZBot> News from redmineinfra: Task #1434 (In Progress): Nabble cleanup <https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1434> 09:53:35 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94015] Footnote separator line shows wrong on screen <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94015> 10:23:40 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94016] META: Bugs and enhancements for Wikihelp <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016> 10:58:40 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94017] WIKIHELP: Imported heading 1 entries should be embedded as heading 2 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94017> || [Bug 94018] WIKIHELP: Switch application tag not rendered correctly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94018> || [Bug 94019] Inconsistent behaviour when drag-moving a chart, chart doesn't always move with mouse. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94019> || [Bug 94020] LOCALHELP/WIKIHELP: Large icons should be used <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94020> 11:29:55 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94021] Writer EDITING: Crash on deleting text (GTK3) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94021> 12:30:12 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94022] Hide "Installable Options" in Linux print dialog <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94022> 13:00:21 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94023] FILESAVE: If the chart is selected, only save the chart and not the sheet <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94023> || [Bug 94024] ZOrder of Shapes stops increment after 65535 Shapes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94024> || [Bug 94025] Libreoffice build : Impress crashes on fullscreen F5 option <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94025> 13:30:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94026] CALC: Add toggle icon for Sheet - Print Grid <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94026> || [Bug 94027] FORMATTING, FILESAVE: Changing the background color of a cell, changes also the row height (especially when working with .xls files) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94027> || [Bug 94028] numbering style with number followed by TAB does not work correctly <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94028> 14:00:38 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94029] paragraph style change ignored <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94029> || [Bug 94030] line wrap at non-breaking space when recording changes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94030> 14:30:43 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94029] Changing (particular?) setting in paragraph style twice in the dialog with Apply-button, without closing in between, ignores second change <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94029> 15:23:54 <dave_largo> cloph: Can you kick off a Linux 64bit 5.0 daily snapshot? I can install and test :) 15:24:04 <dave_largo> Last one was 4 days ago 15:24:35 <cloph> build did break - so no new build. Once fix ends up in the code, it will rebuild automatically. 15:24:55 <cloph> http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-5-0/status.html 15:24:57 <dave_largo> Thanks! 15:30:56 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94032] visual error <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94032> || [Bug 94031] Some 3D OpenGL transitions don't work in GL mode ... <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94031> 16:01:02 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94033] Crash <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94033> 16:31:09 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94034] Objects can't be selected unless named in Navigator <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94034> 17:01:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94035] Laggy <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94035> 17:52:13 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Hi 17:52:43 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I bouught muscat for AArhus :-D 17:54:56 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: :-) 17:55:08 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: yeah, flying with liquids can be tricky for me... 17:55:53 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: We have 3 daysfor drinking it :-) 17:59:09 * colonelqubit laughs 17:59:22 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: I meant in terms of me bringing something... :P 17:59:56 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: but it is good that we'll have some days 18:00:19 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: We are looking for ways to a city to bring money for LO to an association for LO functiuonalities 18:01:53 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: raising money to pay for features/bugfixes? 18:02:27 <arnaud_versini> Yep, but not one city, they share via us (a french association) and make one or many functions 18:03:34 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: With all the money 18:07:07 <beluga_> arnaud_versini: what is the name of the association? 18:07:25 <arnaud_versini> La Mouette, but we plan to do it 18:08:07 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: QA meeting tomorrow: can you join at 13:00 UTC? 18:08:18 <dave_largo> I'm still seeing a lot of places where the "Bitmap" string is still being used, which harkens back to OpenOffice. 18:08:30 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: (here's the local time link: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=13&min=00&sec=0&day=09&month=09&year=2015) 18:09:02 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Nope, I work 18:09:04 <arnaud_versini> Sorry 18:09:09 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: ah, fair enough 18:09:21 <colonelqubit> would later work better? maybe 18:00 UTC? 18:09:41 <beluga_> I get home from work early.. I even have 4 hours time to prepare :P 18:12:10 <beluga_> colonelqubit: what do you think about this #81730 you have confirmed a bug that is referenced 18:12:12 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: In Hyperlink Dialog no way to Browse for a document on ftp server via locations bookmark https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81730 18:13:41 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Assemblée générale of TOulibre, can't be on IRC 18:16:14 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: fair enough. I'll go with original 13:00 UTC time 18:16:30 <colonelqubit> beluga_: one sec, lemme take a look 18:16:40 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Don't worry, french TOulouse association for free software :-D 18:18:10 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: You should propose a new slogan at the Assembly: "Try out LibreOffice for free: What do you have Toulouse?" 18:19:38 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Toulouse is using LO ! 18:19:56 <arnaud_versini> First, I'm using LO :-D 18:20:21 <arnaud_versini> econdly, the city use LO ! http://news.softpedia.com/news/City-of-Toulouse-Drops-Microsoft-Office-for-LibreOffice-and-Saves-1-Million-1-34-Million-451974.shtml 18:21:38 <colonelqubit> beluga_: lemme make a note to test that 18:21:47 <colonelqubit> beluga_: (the FTP issue) 18:22:23 <beluga_> arnaud_versini: is there a list of all Toulouse puns? 18:23:41 <arnaud_versini> puns ? 18:24:12 <arnaud_versini> beluga_: What do you mean ? 18:24:24 <beluga_> arnaud_versini: "Try out LibreOffice for free: What do you have Toulouse?" 18:24:34 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Ah yes, I don"t know 18:24:36 <beluga_> and what was the previous one, We have nothing Toulouse 18:24:52 <beluga_> can we still milk Toulouse for further puns? 18:25:03 <colonelqubit> beluga_: avoid putting a colon in that sentence... 18:25:40 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: http://www.legorafi.fr/2013/03/20/toulouse-il-se-fait-abattre-de-46-balles-dans-le-corps-pour-avoir-demande-un-pain-au-chocolat/ 18:25:41 <colonelqubit> beluga_: Some French cities have draconian rules they enforce, and others are Toulouse? 18:26:06 <arnaud_versini> APLU: I need help ! 18:26:37 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: I still need to make my 'Academie Anglaise' t-shirts 18:27:00 <colonelqubit> I'll have to hand them out with little capes and short swords 18:27:38 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I have a mug with my family blason :-) 18:27:47 <arnaud_versini> Perhaps I should make the T shirt 18:28:10 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: "La boulangère entre alors dans une violente colère" 18:28:24 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Normal reaction :-) 18:28:30 * colonelqubit nods 18:28:48 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: because of the hot ovens, right? 18:29:29 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Pain au chocolat is not the correct word 18:29:39 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: that sounds like something le petit nicholas would say.... dad was bright red and sweating, glaring at me. He must have been baking something hot in the kitchen! 18:29:59 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: yesterday, for labor day, I had a BBQ. It was 100F 18:30:29 <beluga_> hey I digged Le petit Nicolas as a kid 18:30:30 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: (so about 38 degrees C) 18:30:56 <colonelqubit> it was not the best time for me to be hanging out around a big metal box with fire in it.. 18:31:34 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94036] Laggy typing in all LibreOffice apps <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94036> 18:34:00 <dave_largo> The dreaded laggy typing! 18:39:16 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Do you have a fridge in your hotel room ? 18:39:28 <beluga_> does the hamburger menu work for you in http://perf.libreoffice.org/ if I go to ctrl-shift-m mobile view in Firefox, the button does nothing 18:39:29 <arnaud_versini> In aarhus 18:40:35 <arnaud_versini> beluga_: Not working on my Asus Zenfone 2 18:40:42 <arnaud_versini> As LO :-) 18:41:01 <arnaud_versini> beluga_: The hmaburger is in black after, but there is no menu 18:41:22 <beluga_> shm_get: who did the web design in the perf page? 18:41:45 <shm_get> beluga_ I did 18:42:08 <beluga_> ok :) you see a bug report above.. btw. I am an experienced web dev :P 18:42:25 <shm_get> beluga_ I am not.. I only started 2 weeks ago :-) 18:42:27 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: no clue if I have a fridge 18:42:47 <beluga_> I have on and off experience with building websites since 2010 18:42:50 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I don't 18:43:52 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: For my work in november : https://ssl-fr.hotels.com/hotel/details.html?hotelId=390634&tab=description and https://ssl-fr.hotels.com/hotel/details.html?hotelId=218961&tab=description 18:45:21 <beluga_> shm_get: I will think about the designs and some small improvements 18:45:53 <beluga_> I wonder, if I should try to recruit web designers 18:47:12 <shm_get> beluga_ wrt to the hamburder... yeah apaprently ti does not work.. I'll fix it (I got it to work on another page so prolly just a 'commit' mishap 18:48:34 <beluga_> shm_get: ok.. but hamburger is kind of bad ux.. if you won't have more menu entries, it might be best to just display them stacked in the mobile view 18:49:05 <beluga_> makes for simpler code / less plugin deps :) 18:49:25 <shm_get> beluga_ I do not know how many menu entries I'll have. the menu is automatically generated based on what is in the database 18:49:52 <colonelqubit> beluga_: did you test my patch on Bugzilla-test VM? 18:50:06 <beluga_> ok then it might grow in unknown ways.. but maybe you will have a limited number of parent categories? 18:50:27 <shm_get> bu and I'm not sure what you mean with "display them stacked in the mobile view" link ? 18:50:34 <beluga_> then you might have in mobile view a menu with the parent cats and maybe a triangle next to the word and then people could expand the children 18:50:40 <shm_get> I mean do you have a link that show s what you mean ? 18:50:43 <beluga_> colonelqubit: no I didn't know you did anything else 18:51:03 <beluga_> shm_get: simply display them like in the desktop view, but filling the display from edge to edge 18:51:10 <beluga_> as the first thing 18:51:47 <shm_get> beluga_ note there is no special mobile view, btw.. the menu disappear also on a desktop. it is entirely driven by the side of the viewport 18:52:15 <beluga_> shm_get: no @media query in the css? 18:52:32 <shm_get> and if you get on the page with the menu 'hidden' you can jsut scroll and see everything there is to see.. no need to force people to use the menu 18:52:42 <beluga_> colonelqubit: I don't see anything new 18:52:59 <shm_get> yes there is a @media.. but I'm saying this is viewport size relate not mobile vs desktop 18:53:18 <beluga_> shm_get: but you are forcing them to look at the fixed hamburger :) 18:53:57 <beluga_> I assumed that you used @media queries, yes 18:54:04 <colonelqubit> beluga_: oh, I just meant with the field-restriction patch. E.g. did you file a new test bug? 18:54:05 <shm_get> beluga_ it is a trade of.. 'forcing them' to see ui element or forcing them to _do_ something.. I find the former less annoying 18:54:31 <shm_get> beluga_ btw no need to assume: git://gerrit.libreoffice.org/perfdbmgr :-D 18:55:01 <beluga_> colonelqubit: well when I begin to file a bug, I can set priority & severity 18:55:24 <beluga_> shm_get: yes or even ctrl-u :P 18:55:36 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yep; but severity should be adjusted to the default value 18:55:46 <beluga_> aha 18:55:49 <shm_get> beluga_ sure but it is easier to propse a patch grom the git repo :-) 18:56:05 <beluga_> can't we disable severity completely then? 18:56:57 <beluga_> shm_get: here is some hamburger science http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1945 18:57:55 <shm_get> beluga_ btw I'm planning to reuse the same 'style' for devcentral and some other more text oriented document I'm working on like http://tb31.libreoffice.org/devguide.html 18:58:21 <APLU> arnaud_versini: ? 19:00:32 <beluga_> colonelqubit: oh yeah we can't disable it completely, because users need it to mark enhancements.. and now it resets even enhancements to normal: https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89080 19:07:22 <colonelqubit> beluga_: hmm de hmm 19:07:41 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yeah, good point 19:09:07 <colonelqubit> beluga_: so perhaps I should let people set it all the time, just filter-out requests to bump up to 'blocker' unless you're an admin or equiv 19:10:20 <beluga_> perchance yes 19:13:32 <shm_get> beluga_ there was a <script></script> missing in the generated pages.. fixed it.. will show up the next time the page are regenerated 19:15:15 <shm_get> beluga_ wrt to the lukew.com link 1/ it does not load for me (stuck in waiting for...' and up front I'm not enclined to take seriously anything that is *.asp 19:15:53 <beluga_> shm_get: dude.. plz.. ok you can try this then https://lmjabreu.com/post/why-and-how-to-avoid-hamburger-menus/ 19:30:30 <shm_get> beluga_ considering that the perf menu can contain up to 150 or so entry (up to one per module for unittest.. and no real limit on the out-of-tree test, but hopefully more than the 3 I have today... I really do not see how that discussion apply.. besdie the 'mobile' support was more a 'while at it' make it decent for it.. mobile viewing is _not_ a core target :-) 19:31:00 <beluga_> mobile first!! 19:31:42 <shm_get> beluga_ bear in mind that right now the 'mobile friendly' support only cost me a <script></script> and a fairly small @media section in a css... so very light and almost no impact on the generated pages 19:34:40 <shm_get> beluga_ anyhoe, the git is online... so feel free to experiment.. I might be convinced by popular demand :-D 19:35:00 <beluga_> shm_get: you might be convinced, but no alternative design exists yet 19:35:43 <beluga_> the only thing that is certain is that you will be convinced by something in the future 19:35:56 <beluga_> maybe I should go to sleep 19:42:06 <colonelqubit> darn... just missed beluga! 20:17:01 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: plonk 22:02:21 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94037] Crash when uncheck Protect this... in Protec Sheet window <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94037> || [Bug 94038] Right click menu is greyed when playing video <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94038> 22:32:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94039] No controls for media in LO Impress in slideshow mode <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94039> 23:02:31 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94040] il righello laterale non c'è ! <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94040> 23:10:14 <ahoneybun> colonelqubit: I'll be helping mhall at the Ubuntu booth but if I have spare time i can help with thing as well 23:35:46 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: at OSCON amsterdam? 23:36:01 <ahoneybun> FOSSETCON? 23:36:08 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: ah, okay 23:36:10 * colonelqubit nods 23:36:11 <ahoneybun> I wish lol 23:36:13 * colonelqubit gotta go 00:02:43 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94042] Improving autorecovery/autosave <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94042> 01:04:20 <slacka123> Are there any good tools/resources to troubleshoot MSO impore/export issues? I use XML diff for OOXML. Are there any tools like this to help with the binary format? hex editor and binary diff are getting me nowhere. 01:07:08 <slacka123> OOXML is human readable, so I can do a XML diff on the native file vs a LO round-tripped file. How to do this with the binary? 01:33:00 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94043] RTF Column Export Problem <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94043> 02:33:15 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94044] WIKIHELP: Include path to xhp file in footer <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94044> 04:05:42 <colonelqubit> hmm.. 04:05:49 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: have you seen joel around at all today? 06:03:57 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94045] FILEOPEN: Negative paragraph indents cannot be loaded from docx <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94045> 07:04:11 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94046] UNO API LibreOffice Writer Process hang / freeze C# <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94046> || [Bug 94047] Black bordres when resize window to all screen <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94047> 07:34:17 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94047] Black borders when view to full screen <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94047> 09:04:40 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94048] Calc is too restrictive with naming cell ranges <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94048> 09:34:47 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94050] Printing in rc 5.0.2.1. not in all colors and impress handout no background printed <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94050> || [Bug 94049] RTF IMPORT: rtf file with OLE object crashes libreoffice every time <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94049> 10:35:00 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94051] Error 1305 when installing LO on Windows 7 64 bit <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94051> 12:05:15 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94052] LibreLogo: German translation fix/enhancements <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94052> 12:10:29 <beluga_> masphilly: hi 12:35:27 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94053] Help > About LibreOffice should show x86 or x64 installation <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94053> 12:45:13 <colonelqubit> beluga_: heya 12:48:06 <beluga_> colonelqubit: this is beluga writing with his new Truly Ergonomic keyboard 12:48:13 <colonelqubit> heh 12:48:28 <beluga_> bear with me as I get used to the layout 12:48:44 <beluga_> slowness and accidental hitting of return is to be expected 12:56:52 <colonelqubit> let's see... meeting time soon. Just sending a couple of emails 13:01:56 <mjayfrancis> I'm here! And there's a meeting. The moons are in alignment 13:02:19 <beluga_> the stars are right 13:02:55 <beluga_> raal: isn't #93500 a dupe of #89573 ? 13:02:57 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Can not type non-breaking space into Find & Replace dialog https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89573 13:03:00 <sophi> colonelqubit: ping, meeting is now? 13:03:04 <beluga_> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93500 13:03:05 <IZBot> bug 93500: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED typing nonbreaking space or hyphen into Replace misplaces it into document 13:04:06 <beluga_> I don't understand why he opened a new report 13:04:23 <colonelqubit> sophi: yep, just sending email to florian, one sec 13:04:31 <beluga_> will close 13:04:33 <sophi> colonelqubit: ok, thanks 13:04:33 <mjayfrancis> Opening two must make it twice as urgent 13:05:34 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 94054] Page Watermaker EPS not working <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94054> || [Bug 94055] Sorting rows makes autofilter dissapear (EDITING) <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94055> 13:08:11 <beluga_> so nice you report it twice 13:09:31 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 13:09:39 <mjayfrancis> Oops 13:09:51 <mjayfrancis> That's going to be a long meeting log 13:09:53 * colonelqubit shakes his head 13:09:57 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting