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16:28:13 <colonelqubit> Hello, wonderful QA folks
16:28:21 <ahoneybun> o/
16:28:38 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED bugs have dipped to 392
16:29:39 <colonelqubit> Last week I applied both the update to bugzilla 4.4.9 as well as Joel's Bugzilla field-restricting patches
16:29:41 <colonelqubit> (more on that later)
16:31:54 <colonelqubit> Regarding regressions from the last week, we've got 3 here: http://bit.ly/1CIXqPZ
16:32:51 <DennisRoczek> meh shortlinks... ^^ (btw - why not using tdf.io)
16:33:30 <colonelqubit> I'm more than happy to bring regressions to the ESC, but (understandably) they want to see the most important/pressing ones, so please ping me (IRC, email, carrier pigeon) with them in they days before
16:33:45 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: (I got handed the link like that :-))
16:34:19 <colonelqubit> #topic Old Action Items
16:34:44 <colonelqubit> Let's see -- Bugzilla upgrade to 4.4.9 is DONE
16:35:21 <colonelqubit> contributor group exists and fields are restricted, *however* there are some side effects
16:35:30 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 92768] support hiding title objects <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92768>
16:35:30 <colonelqubit> (I'll mark that Action item as DONE, and we can open a new one)
16:37:11 <colonelqubit> #topic Bugzilla Foibles
16:37:51 <colonelqubit> As far as I can tell, the Bugzilla upgrade went fine. Beluga will be happy to hear that I'm looking into Bugzilla v5.0, but we might not migrate right away
16:39:42 <colonelqubit> As for our local patches, developers have noticed that one is rather restricted in changing the bug status, e.g. it's no longer possible to change from NEEDINFO -> NEW (even if the Bug Status Workflow in Bugzilla allows it)
16:40:20 <ahoneybun> what?!
16:40:40 <colonelqubit> I'm going to chat with Joel (who authored the current patch) and see if we can apply a much more minimal patch that just restricts access to the severity/priority fields
16:42:50 <colonelqubit> Then we can examine what's going on with the Assigned-to field more leisurely
16:43:11 <beluga> colonelqubit: needinfo -> new was a change you (or Joel?) did a few months ago
16:44:24 <colonelqubit> beluga: yes; and I've verified that the status change should be allowed by the Bug Status Workflow table
16:50:10 <colonelqubit> Let's see... this isn't an outstanding Action Item, but I'll be chatting with the ESC about WinXP status
16:52:01 <colonelqubit> It sounds like WinXP is still used extensively in many countries, and I want to check with the devs to make sure that we're still considering such bugs on our radar
16:52:51 <colonelqubit> Also: Determining if we want to disable the 'blocker' severity on Bugzilla
16:53:02 <colonelqubit> (hopefully doing so won't result in any additional side effects..)
16:53:36 <beluga> I guess China is the last holdout for XP
16:53:52 <colonelqubit> beluga: is MS providing security updates?
16:54:06 <beluga> colonelqubit: only for special paid customers
16:54:09 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: no. they won't
16:54:11 <beluga> until 2019
16:54:16 <colonelqubit> beluga: wow
16:54:25 <colonelqubit> yeah, I imagine that you'd have to shell out the $$$$$ for that
16:54:42 <DennisRoczek> beluga: well my father is running one pc using xp (depends on my time and other software... meh)
16:55:00 <beluga> XP market share is like 15% and Vista's ~2-3% :)
16:55:12 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: when you run Windows Update, does a message come up that says "WTF!?"
16:55:14 <beluga> so we might as well deprecate Vista support at the same time :P
16:55:53 <beluga> maybe an input field for credit card info in the win update :)
16:56:00 <colonelqubit> My guess is that EOL for WinXP and Vista will just be a matter of compilers and tooling
16:56:29 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: nope. but ms implemented a red sign in the taskbar + the ms antivir (security center or how it is called) is saying that you really should update it
16:56:30 <colonelqubit> At some point, it'll become difficult enough for us to get the current codebase to run on that stack, and we'll stop providing builds
16:57:05 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: right: xp matters on the visual studio version which is not longer supporting xp
16:57:29 <DennisRoczek> same as os x 10.7 or older aren't supported any more
16:58:05 * colonelqubit nods
16:58:35 <colonelqubit> #topic Other topics
16:58:52 <colonelqubit> What other issues would you like to discuss?
17:00:31 <colonelqubit> Sounds like mjayfrancis isn't here. I wanted to highlight some of the great work he's been doing with PyUNO and testing
17:00:39 <colonelqubit> but I'll let him chat about that next time
17:00:52 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: do we have a list of bug tikcets with patchsets?
17:02:07 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: as in, that need to be tested?
17:02:22 <DennisRoczek> well patchsets should go in gerrit
17:02:43 <DennisRoczek> and I found by accident a patchset which is well fridrich missed it somehow as it seems (two years ago)
17:03:27 <colonelqubit> so you're looking for open bugs that have attached patchsets?
17:03:30 <DennisRoczek> dtardon was asked and said that the patch should not be pushed (bad approach) and the user is not rachable
17:03:35 <DennisRoczek> yeah
17:04:08 <DennisRoczek> didn't "we "cleaned the bugzilla by using the correct mimetype?
17:04:55 <DennisRoczek> and in the same task: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92703 that user uploaded two rtf fioles but having wrong mimetypes
17:04:57 <IZBot> bug 92703: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED NOTOURBUG RTF Control \ulw does not stop
17:05:12 <DennisRoczek> either the files were created incorrectly or our rtf detection is simply bad
17:05:12 <colonelqubit> I  believe that incorrect mimetypes should be minimized if not fixed in our current install
17:05:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 92769] EDITING: Broken Conditional Formatting When Copying <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92769>
17:06:58 * colonelqubit goes to peer at that attachment
17:09:22 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: is it possible that the uploader manually selected text/plain when uploading?
17:10:02 <DennisRoczek> this user won't suprise me in anything. maybe. I have no idea. ask him :-p
17:10:42 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89066
17:11:09 <colonelqubit> I downloaded and then re-uploaded; Bugzilla appears to have corrected detected type
17:11:30 <DennisRoczek> same bugzilla version / config?
17:11:41 <DennisRoczek> well i guess so tghen. the user will have choosen plain -.-
17:12:15 <DennisRoczek> he drives me nuts... totally inexperienced and jelling at dev@ml +custom work +win2k + old libo...
17:12:17 <colonelqubit> yeah, looks like he uploaded it today, so that'd be running v4.4.9 on both installs
17:12:27 <DennisRoczek> sry for the noise ;-)
17:12:36 <DennisRoczek> yes, was today
17:12:50 <colonelqubit> no worries -- good to hear about these things so we can catch problems early
17:12:51 <beluga> re:mime-type detection it might be their browser
17:12:56 <beluga> using win2000 and all..
17:13:00 * colonelqubit laughs
17:13:12 <colonelqubit> beluga: are you suggesting that they're using Mosaic or something?
17:13:20 <DennisRoczek> beluga: gut idea. yeah that could be...
17:13:22 <beluga> probably IE 5 or something
17:13:36 <DennisRoczek> although they should use opera12 ^^
17:14:11 * colonelqubit waves at raal
17:14:22 <colonelqubit> Okay, any other topics?
17:15:37 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: what about the patchsets in open tickets? *g*
17:15:55 <DennisRoczek> all attchments cleaned so this should be only a simple query, or?
17:16:02 <colonelqubit> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?f1=attachments.ispatch&list_id=548879&o1=equals&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&v1=1
17:16:46 <beluga> DennisRoczek: attachments have not been cleaned retroactively
17:16:53 <beluga> they are still being cleaned manually
17:17:09 <beluga> only new ones will get the right mime-type most of the time
17:17:48 <DennisRoczek> beluga: do we have a list for fixing them? I might help for such stupid tasks
17:18:24 <beluga> DennisRoczek: Michael Stahl might know
17:18:30 <beluga> maybe find text/plain files?
17:18:49 <DennisRoczek> ok, I will ping him - or octetstream
17:18:52 <beluga> mst always fixes the mime types when he is sitting in ESC meeting
17:18:55 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: wouldn't be a bad idea to make a writeup here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening
17:19:10 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: my idea
17:19:12 <colonelqubit> Notes on how to fix mimetypes
17:22:04 <colonelqubit> For both the patches in Bugzilla and fixing mimetypes, it's helpful to keep track of the last date we've run the query/fixed things (e.g. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening#Task:_Monitor_REOPENED_bugs) so that we can exclude any older false positives
17:23:04 <colonelqubit> The Gardening page is very useful to help us keep track of those dats
17:23:06 <colonelqubit> dates
17:23:38 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: why not using the redmine calendar btw?
17:23:48 <colonelqubit> for?
17:24:43 <colonelqubit> DennisRoczek: for the last-run of a Gardening task?
17:25:01 <DennisRoczek> yeah, rerun so TODAY()+3M
17:25:10 <DennisRoczek> (depending of the task)
17:25:35 <colonelqubit> as in, schedule a future run, or?
17:26:41 <colonelqubit> QA is a somewhat ad-hoc group, so I can imagine that some tasks get re-run every month, and some take a few. Some 'monthly ' tasks might get delayed a few weeks until someone has time to run one
17:27:09 <colonelqubit> As long as the system is flexible enough to handle that workflow gracefully, I'd be interested
17:28:51 <DennisRoczek> so I have to go. good evening everybody ;-)
17:29:30 <DennisRoczek> colonelqubit: well i guess we have to wait until floeff installs the redmine crm ^^
17:31:23 * colonelqubit waves
17:32:59 <colonelqubit> Okay, Anything else?
17:32:59 <colonelqubit> raal: anything from your end? regressions that I should bring to ESC?
17:46:46 <colonelqubit> hi, IZBot
17:46:51 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting