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21:27:57 <colonelqubit> Hello all!
21:28:07 <ahoneybun> o/
21:28:47 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED: 292
21:29:15 <colonelqubit> hmm -- looks like we're creeping back up
21:29:33 <beluga_> colonelqubit: yes I haven't been testing actively since Friday
21:29:40 <colonelqubit> gotcha
21:29:51 <beluga_> but I managed to update TDF Etherpad and install a bunch of plugins
21:30:00 <colonelqubit> excellllllent
21:30:26 <beluga_> if I don't deal with 10 unconfirmeds per day, it creeps up
21:30:36 <beluga_> this is my scientific observation
21:30:51 <beluga_> shall we close some action items?
21:31:00 <colonelqubit> indeed!
21:31:08 <colonelqubit> #topic Existing Action Items
21:31:25 <beluga_> jmadero: so I believe this is done: joel will update gardening page with new text for ping + table with date info
21:31:35 <colonelqubit> good, good
21:32:03 <beluga_> colonelqubit: and you wrangled those two reports
21:32:22 <colonelqubit> beluga_: well, I did my best
21:32:23 <beluga_> this can also be closed: mjayfrancis will assemble a GNU/Linux bibisect repository containing all released versions of LibreOffice
21:32:44 <colonelqubit> yep, I didn't have a chance to check in with him lately, but I think that's working well?
21:33:23 <beluga_> yes I use it all the time
21:33:26 <colonelqubit> "ACTION: Robinson will make a Bugzilla banner for BugHunting Session 5.0" --> That's in place now
21:34:13 <colonelqubit> "ACTION: Robinson will send ahoneybun information about making Bugzilla banners" --> I think we're all set there
21:34:23 <ahoneybun> yep
21:34:25 <colonelqubit> Here's ahoneybun's first mock-up: https://imgur.com/Y2DQ7XB
21:34:27 <colonelqubit> :-)
21:36:18 <ahoneybun> :)
21:36:37 <colonelqubit> jmadero: you here?
21:36:40 <jmadero> yeah
21:37:01 <colonelqubit> want to talk about what you're doing with restricting field access?
21:37:19 <jmadero> sure - I'm working on restricting access to priority/severity/QA contacts
21:37:28 <jmadero> the idea is that the bar will be very low - someone requests privs. they get privs
21:37:34 <jmadero> but this will prevent users from manipulating the fields
21:37:42 <jmadero> and ideally get us away from MAB ASAP
21:37:54 <jmadero> I thought I was done but I found a problem - so . . . I'm working on it
21:38:23 <jmadero> all devs should have privs. as well as trusted QA immediately
21:39:06 <colonelqubit> definitely
21:39:09 <jmadero> and the issue is that I'm going to now have to manually set privileges for each field - before it was one uniform setting (everyone could do anything)
21:39:21 <jmadero> so now it'll be per field we get to decide what's up and who has access
21:39:41 <jmadero> with this method I think we'll also be able to prevent users from setting a bug to REOPENED as a nice side affect
21:39:57 <jmadero> that's about it
21:40:35 <colonelqubit> sounds good!
21:40:52 <colonelqubit> We'll obviously want to be very generous with handing out permissions
21:41:02 <jmadero> +1
21:41:04 <colonelqubit> we want to make sure that newcomers get the privs so that they can jump in and help
21:41:11 <colonelqubit> it's just a *little* hurdle
21:41:56 <jmadero> so colonelqubit we just need you to talk to ESC about stopping MAB
21:42:07 <jmadero> bring up that 4.3 is EOL (or near it?) and thus we'd have to migrate those over....again
21:42:14 <jmadero> the idea is to avoid that and just use highest
21:42:19 <beluga_> stop the MABness!
21:42:24 <jmadero> please...oh please
21:42:32 <jmadero> at least a couple devs in the chat earlier seemed fine to let them go
21:42:43 <jmadero> so long as we manage the highest stuff correctly (which I think we have been)
21:43:16 * colonelqubit nods
21:43:28 <colonelqubit> Has anyone been hearing anything in particular from the devs?
21:43:36 <colonelqubit> I've mostly just heard good things
21:43:56 <jmadero> same
21:44:34 <beluga_> regarding QA work?
21:45:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yes -- in particular regarding prioritization of bugs
21:45:48 <beluga_> ah.. well this isn't about prioritization, but Meeks said today: "my hope is that people running master builds know how to tag regressions, in fact - I'm well impressed that so many people are doing that [ it's awesome ]"
21:47:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 91123] another test for fields <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91123>
21:47:43 <colonelqubit> jmadero: what's happening with tdf#87373?
21:47:44 <IZBot> LibreOffice-graphics stack major/high NEW [Mac OS X] Bad text spacing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87373
21:47:59 <jmadero> colonelqubit: shmget is working with Thorsten to figure out what's going on
21:48:06 <jmadero> first patch was accepted and then reversed
21:48:10 <jmadero> so for now punt
21:48:17 <colonelqubit> okay, I'll leave it on the list
21:48:25 <jmadero> basically the problem is if we revert the patch that caused that bug - there will be side effects
21:48:36 <jmadero> and QA should decide what is worse - but currently Thorsten trying to get both to work right
21:48:41 <jmadero> obviously the best of both worlds
21:50:09 <colonelqubit> oh, indeed -- it's very interesting when we run into particular bugs such as this one!
21:50:57 <colonelqubit> #topic New Items
21:51:29 <colonelqubit> Anyone has some new items?
21:51:51 <beluga_> well mjayfrancis had some things: "With the number of things falling out of the woodwork after the big vcl change recently, we need to make sure that as many features as possible are exercised before 5.0 (not sure if there's some general test plan for that?)"
21:52:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: speaking about MozTrap, or?
21:52:23 <beluga_> the other things he wanted to say: "I've got a "43max" built and packaged, but it needs some testing before I throw it out into the world - if anyone finds a bug which looks like it's from 4.3 master feel free to Cc me. Other than that, about to restart building for 5.0 so it's hopefully up to date and ready when the branch point arrives."
21:52:40 <beluga_> colonelqubit: well it seems to involve crashes when closing dialogs..
21:52:54 <beluga_> the VclPtr Apocalypse that is :)
21:53:36 <beluga_> aggressive fixing going on.. will have to keep up with new builds in the coming days
21:55:09 * colonelqubit nods
21:55:41 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: ping?
21:55:53 <colonelqubit> probably assssleeeep
21:57:46 <beluga_> well I suggest we interview devs about what we should test
21:58:19 <colonelqubit> beluga_: Sure, that sounds like a good idea
21:58:27 <beluga_> just be present in the dev channel.. stuff like that
21:58:35 <colonelqubit> I can bring up something at ESC tomorrow as a reminder
21:58:37 <beluga_> I got pinged today in there :)
21:59:18 <beluga_> if needed, we can create a tracker bug for all the Vcl change fallout stuff
21:59:40 <beluga_> but let's let the dust settle for a few days
22:00:47 <colonelqubit> okay, we can just keep our eyes and ears open for now
22:01:47 <colonelqubit> Anything else we need to address? Thoughts on our upcoming BugHunting Session?
22:02:58 <beluga_> well you should continue the conquest of North America
22:03:32 * colonelqubit winks
22:04:02 <beluga_> what of the Bugzilla Guided Forms btw.?
22:06:30 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah I was curious about that also
22:06:46 <colonelqubit> beluga_: I'm working on that now -- I'll have something to show there verysoon
22:07:22 <colonelqubit> we'll want to make some decisions about what kinds of information to include, etc.
22:07:51 <beluga_> are you trying it with BZ 5.0rc3?
22:08:14 <colonelqubit> beluga_: with what we have now --> I can take a look at BZ 5.0 soon, but I think I'll wait until release
22:08:39 <beluga_> colonelqubit: the template was supposedly updated late last year
22:08:46 * colonelqubit nods
22:09:06 <colonelqubit> I feel like there could be much better documentation
22:09:12 <colonelqubit> :/
22:10:38 <beluga_> http://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/integrating/templates.html#particular-templates
22:11:26 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yeah, they seemed averse to images :P
22:13:09 <colonelqubit> Okay, anyone else have items to bring up?
22:13:37 <jmadero> nope
22:14:09 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: ?
22:14:22 <ahoneybun> huh?
22:14:29 <ahoneybun> oh
22:15:00 <ahoneybun> looking to use readthedocs?
22:15:17 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: just wondering if you had any other issues re: QA :-)
22:16:00 <ahoneybun> not that I have seen so far
22:16:07 <colonelqubit> marvy
22:16:33 <colonelqubit> Okay all, thanks for the great meeting!
22:16:42 <colonelqubit> #topic The End
22:16:56 <colonelqubit> Our next meeting will be in 2 weeks on May 20th
22:17:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Error: My LibreOffice Wirter closes when i try to open the bibliography database <http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5897/error-my-libreoffice-wirter-closes-when-i-try-to-open-the-bibliography-database/>
22:18:03 <colonelqubit> Enjoy the rest of your day, and do invite people to our upcoming BugHunting Session!
22:18:06 <colonelqubit> Cheers
22:18:14 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting