21:27:53 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting 21:27:54 <IZBot> Meeting started Wed May 6 21:27:53 2015 UTC. The chair is colonelqubit. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:27:54 <IZBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 21:27:57 <colonelqubit> Hello all! 21:28:07 <ahoneybun> o/ 21:28:47 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED: 292 21:29:15 <colonelqubit> hmm -- looks like we're creeping back up 21:29:33 <beluga_> colonelqubit: yes I haven't been testing actively since Friday 21:29:40 <colonelqubit> gotcha 21:29:51 <beluga_> but I managed to update TDF Etherpad and install a bunch of plugins 21:30:00 <colonelqubit> excellllllent 21:30:26 <beluga_> if I don't deal with 10 unconfirmeds per day, it creeps up 21:30:36 <beluga_> this is my scientific observation 21:30:51 <beluga_> shall we close some action items? 21:31:00 <colonelqubit> indeed! 21:31:08 <colonelqubit> #topic Existing Action Items 21:31:25 <beluga_> jmadero: so I believe this is done: joel will update gardening page with new text for ping + table with date info 21:31:35 <colonelqubit> good, good 21:32:03 <beluga_> colonelqubit: and you wrangled those two reports 21:32:22 <colonelqubit> beluga_: well, I did my best 21:32:23 <beluga_> this can also be closed: mjayfrancis will assemble a GNU/Linux bibisect repository containing all released versions of LibreOffice 21:32:44 <colonelqubit> yep, I didn't have a chance to check in with him lately, but I think that's working well? 21:33:23 <beluga_> yes I use it all the time 21:33:26 <colonelqubit> "ACTION: Robinson will make a Bugzilla banner for BugHunting Session 5.0" --> That's in place now 21:34:13 <colonelqubit> "ACTION: Robinson will send ahoneybun information about making Bugzilla banners" --> I think we're all set there 21:34:23 <ahoneybun> yep 21:34:25 <colonelqubit> Here's ahoneybun's first mock-up: https://imgur.com/Y2DQ7XB 21:34:27 <colonelqubit> :-) 21:36:18 <ahoneybun> :) 21:36:37 <colonelqubit> jmadero: you here? 21:36:40 <jmadero> yeah 21:37:01 <colonelqubit> want to talk about what you're doing with restricting field access? 21:37:19 <jmadero> sure - I'm working on restricting access to priority/severity/QA contacts 21:37:28 <jmadero> the idea is that the bar will be very low - someone requests privs. they get privs 21:37:34 <jmadero> but this will prevent users from manipulating the fields 21:37:42 <jmadero> and ideally get us away from MAB ASAP 21:37:54 <jmadero> I thought I was done but I found a problem - so . . . I'm working on it 21:38:23 <jmadero> all devs should have privs. as well as trusted QA immediately 21:39:06 <colonelqubit> definitely 21:39:09 <jmadero> and the issue is that I'm going to now have to manually set privileges for each field - before it was one uniform setting (everyone could do anything) 21:39:21 <jmadero> so now it'll be per field we get to decide what's up and who has access 21:39:41 <jmadero> with this method I think we'll also be able to prevent users from setting a bug to REOPENED as a nice side affect 21:39:57 <jmadero> that's about it 21:40:35 <colonelqubit> sounds good! 21:40:52 <colonelqubit> We'll obviously want to be very generous with handing out permissions 21:41:02 <jmadero> +1 21:41:04 <colonelqubit> we want to make sure that newcomers get the privs so that they can jump in and help 21:41:11 <colonelqubit> it's just a *little* hurdle 21:41:56 <jmadero> so colonelqubit we just need you to talk to ESC about stopping MAB 21:42:07 <jmadero> bring up that 4.3 is EOL (or near it?) and thus we'd have to migrate those over....again 21:42:14 <jmadero> the idea is to avoid that and just use highest 21:42:19 <beluga_> stop the MABness! 21:42:24 <jmadero> please...oh please 21:42:32 <jmadero> at least a couple devs in the chat earlier seemed fine to let them go 21:42:43 <jmadero> so long as we manage the highest stuff correctly (which I think we have been) 21:43:16 * colonelqubit nods 21:43:28 <colonelqubit> Has anyone been hearing anything in particular from the devs? 21:43:36 <colonelqubit> I've mostly just heard good things 21:43:56 <jmadero> same 21:44:34 <beluga_> regarding QA work? 21:45:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yes -- in particular regarding prioritization of bugs 21:45:48 <beluga_> ah.. well this isn't about prioritization, but Meeks said today: "my hope is that people running master builds know how to tag regressions, in fact - I'm well impressed that so many people are doing that [ it's awesome ]" 21:47:26 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 91123] another test for fields <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91123> 21:47:43 <colonelqubit> jmadero: what's happening with tdf#87373? 21:47:44 <IZBot> LibreOffice-graphics stack major/high NEW [Mac OS X] Bad text spacing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87373 21:47:59 <jmadero> colonelqubit: shmget is working with Thorsten to figure out what's going on 21:48:06 <jmadero> first patch was accepted and then reversed 21:48:10 <jmadero> so for now punt 21:48:17 <colonelqubit> okay, I'll leave it on the list 21:48:25 <jmadero> basically the problem is if we revert the patch that caused that bug - there will be side effects 21:48:36 <jmadero> and QA should decide what is worse - but currently Thorsten trying to get both to work right 21:48:41 <jmadero> obviously the best of both worlds 21:50:09 <colonelqubit> oh, indeed -- it's very interesting when we run into particular bugs such as this one! 21:50:57 <colonelqubit> #topic New Items 21:51:29 <colonelqubit> Anyone has some new items? 21:51:51 <beluga_> well mjayfrancis had some things: "With the number of things falling out of the woodwork after the big vcl change recently, we need to make sure that as many features as possible are exercised before 5.0 (not sure if there's some general test plan for that?)" 21:52:17 <colonelqubit> beluga_: speaking about MozTrap, or? 21:52:23 <beluga_> the other things he wanted to say: "I've got a "43max" built and packaged, but it needs some testing before I throw it out into the world - if anyone finds a bug which looks like it's from 4.3 master feel free to Cc me. Other than that, about to restart building for 5.0 so it's hopefully up to date and ready when the branch point arrives." 21:52:40 <beluga_> colonelqubit: well it seems to involve crashes when closing dialogs.. 21:52:54 <beluga_> the VclPtr Apocalypse that is :) 21:53:36 <beluga_> aggressive fixing going on.. will have to keep up with new builds in the coming days 21:55:09 * colonelqubit nods 21:55:41 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis: ping? 21:55:53 <colonelqubit> probably assssleeeep 21:57:46 <beluga_> well I suggest we interview devs about what we should test 21:58:19 <colonelqubit> beluga_: Sure, that sounds like a good idea 21:58:27 <beluga_> just be present in the dev channel.. stuff like that 21:58:35 <colonelqubit> I can bring up something at ESC tomorrow as a reminder 21:58:37 <beluga_> I got pinged today in there :) 21:59:18 <beluga_> if needed, we can create a tracker bug for all the Vcl change fallout stuff 21:59:40 <beluga_> but let's let the dust settle for a few days 22:00:47 <colonelqubit> okay, we can just keep our eyes and ears open for now 22:01:47 <colonelqubit> Anything else we need to address? Thoughts on our upcoming BugHunting Session? 22:02:58 <beluga_> well you should continue the conquest of North America 22:03:32 * colonelqubit winks 22:04:02 <beluga_> what of the Bugzilla Guided Forms btw.? 22:06:30 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah I was curious about that also 22:06:46 <colonelqubit> beluga_: I'm working on that now -- I'll have something to show there verysoon 22:07:22 <colonelqubit> we'll want to make some decisions about what kinds of information to include, etc. 22:07:51 <beluga_> are you trying it with BZ 5.0rc3? 22:08:14 <colonelqubit> beluga_: with what we have now --> I can take a look at BZ 5.0 soon, but I think I'll wait until release 22:08:39 <beluga_> colonelqubit: the template was supposedly updated late last year 22:08:46 * colonelqubit nods 22:09:06 <colonelqubit> I feel like there could be much better documentation 22:09:12 <colonelqubit> :/ 22:10:38 <beluga_> http://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/integrating/templates.html#particular-templates 22:11:26 <colonelqubit> beluga_: yeah, they seemed averse to images :P 22:13:09 <colonelqubit> Okay, anyone else have items to bring up? 22:13:37 <jmadero> nope 22:14:09 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: ? 22:14:22 <ahoneybun> huh? 22:14:29 <ahoneybun> oh 22:15:00 <ahoneybun> looking to use readthedocs? 22:15:17 <colonelqubit> ahoneybun: just wondering if you had any other issues re: QA :-) 22:16:00 <ahoneybun> not that I have seen so far 22:16:07 <colonelqubit> marvy 22:16:33 <colonelqubit> Okay all, thanks for the great meeting! 22:16:42 <colonelqubit> #topic The End 22:16:56 <colonelqubit> Our next meeting will be in 2 weeks on May 20th 22:17:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Error: My LibreOffice Wirter closes when i try to open the bibliography database <http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5897/error-my-libreoffice-wirter-closes-when-i-try-to-open-the-bibliography-database/> 22:18:03 <colonelqubit> Enjoy the rest of your day, and do invite people to our upcoming BugHunting Session! 22:18:06 <colonelqubit> Cheers 22:18:14 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting