18:38:08 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting 18:38:08 <IZBot> Meeting started Wed Feb 25 18:38:08 2015 UTC. The chair is colonelqubit. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:38:08 <IZBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:38:11 <Liongold> Reisi007: How are you? 18:38:20 <Reisi007> Liongold: Thanks, fine :) 18:38:25 <Reisi007> Liongold: U? 18:38:30 <Liongold> Just in time for the meeting, it seems. 18:38:37 <Liongold> Reisi007: Fine as well, thanks. 18:38:41 <Reisi007> Liongold: yes 18:39:01 * Reisi007 has not used Meetbot for a while 18:39:12 <Reisi007> (Or ever?) 18:39:12 <Liongold> Reisi007: School's fine? 18:39:36 * colonelqubit peers at our stats 18:39:41 <Reisi007> Liongold: Februar semester break 18:39:54 <Reisi007> So "on holiday" ATM 18:40:16 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED is up a bit to 322 18:40:23 <Liongold> Reisi007: Happy School "holidays" then. 18:40:31 <beluga_> colonelqubit: well it visited >340 18:40:50 <colonelqubit> beluga_: sure, but we were down to 270 or so at one point, IIRC 18:41:06 <Reisi007> But the last ended well got all but 2 and only 1 B (2) in 9 subjects. others are A (1) 18:41:15 <beluga_> colonelqubit: it's mostly because of the infra problems I think 18:41:23 * colonelqubit nods 18:41:24 <Reisi007> colonelqubit: so low :o Sorry for being so far from QA 18:41:27 <beluga_> they broke the flow of testing, but not reports :) 18:41:51 <colonelqubit> yeah, I'm assuming that we also lost some reports along the way 18:41:56 <beluga_> once we get all the ones that slipped through, it'll be below 270 18:42:13 <colonelqubit> but QA probably shows up, sees it's down, and leaves for a few hours 18:42:33 <colonelqubit> whereas reporters just show up around the clock and report bugs if bugzilla is up 18:42:57 <colonelqubit> Regarding Bugzilla, infra has been doing some amazing work 18:43:51 <colonelqubit> They're shifting some of our underlying tools, so the VMs should hopefully be a bit more stable 18:44:34 <beluga_> I've got some stats for you: in the past few days I've reached out to 14 bug reporters and asked, if they want to join the team. So far we've got a few positives 18:44:48 <colonelqubit> A big kudos to alex and cloph for their work. 18:44:54 <colonelqubit> beluga_: excellent 18:45:20 <beluga_> so definitely "always be recruiting" :) 18:45:23 <Reisi007> :) 18:45:24 * colonelqubit nods 18:45:55 <colonelqubit> spending time increasing our community is one of the most effective uses of our efforts 18:46:11 <beluga_> it's important to emphasize right from the start that joining this team does not mean a huge responsibility 18:46:33 <colonelqubit> At FOSDEM, I suggested that we should perhaps have a specific team dedicated to onboarding 18:47:11 <colonelqubit> I think right now each sub-team inside TDF/LibreOffice does their own thing, but perhaps sharing some ideas/tips wouldn't hurt 18:47:30 <beluga_> to all: feel free to send new people my way and I can mentor them, if you don't have time 18:48:01 <colonelqubit> Sure, and I think that it would be great for us to start small, inside the QA team, and then maybe grow from there 18:48:11 <colonelqubit> beluga_: do we have any docs about how to recruit? 18:48:21 <beluga_> colonelqubit: I haven't seen any :) 18:48:32 <colonelqubit> jmadero: can you recall us writing up anything like that? 18:49:01 <jmadero> colonelqubit: can you summarize what you're asking - can't read the entire thread right now (in class) 18:49:03 <colonelqubit> I know that we've talked about it in previous meetings, and encouraged people to invite people from the users' list and competent bug-reporters 18:49:25 <colonelqubit> jmadero: do we have any docs/wiki pages about the best way to recruit people to the team? 18:49:33 <jmadero> colonelqubit: not that I know of - good idea though 18:49:39 <jmadero> some things are more successful than others :) 18:49:42 <beluga_> I think the LibreOffice organization is so strong that an individual recruiter doesn't need to sacrifice much effort.. compared to some smaller projects which lack structure 18:49:48 <jmadero> user list not entirely fruitful, direct pings on bugzilla, pretty solid 18:49:54 * colonelqubit nods 18:50:28 <beluga_> bug reporters are dedicated.. they respond well 18:50:54 <colonelqubit> there are several pieces to recruiting 18:50:59 <beluga_> of course one needs to "read the person" a bit and not just blindly send emails 18:51:08 <colonelqubit> - initial contact 18:51:10 <colonelqubit> - mentoring 18:51:12 <colonelqubit> - offering different tasks 18:51:14 <colonelqubit> etc.. 18:51:50 <jmadero> quickly in response to beluga_ - I agree we are incredibly strong 18:51:52 <beluga_> yeah, finding out what to offer.. what are the strengths of the contacted person 18:51:57 <jmadero> but there is no reason for us to not stop aggressive recruiting 18:52:12 <jmadero> if 5-7 of our strongest QA members stopped contributing right now, we'd be in deep shit again ;) 18:52:25 <beluga_> jmadero: yeah I just meant the experience for a recruiter 18:52:35 <beluga_> it is not so exhausting 18:52:37 <Reisi007> jmadero: one (me) is ok though ^^ 18:53:01 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/GetInvolved 18:53:13 <colonelqubit> that looks like our landing page for newbies right now 18:53:24 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 89659] Input fields get corrupted while making any changes <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89659> 18:54:24 <colonelqubit> beluga_: would you be interested in helping to write some basic docs on onboarding? 18:54:48 <colonelqubit> One idea off the top of my head would be to ask new people to say hello on the QA list 18:55:16 <beluga_> colonelqubit: I prefer to direct here via webchat link 18:55:45 <colonelqubit> beluga_: okay 18:55:59 <beluga_> btw. kind of relevant, but a bit utopian (?) http://user-prompt.com/campaign-to-better-involve-users/ 18:57:14 <colonelqubit> beluga_: The problem as I see it is that users can't be as actively engaged as, say, developers 18:57:16 <jmadero> Reisi007: if you have time to email me with details about this big project :) I'd love to read about it 18:57:59 <colonelqubit> beluga_: if everyone has the tools and skills to start hacking on their world (apps, infra, etc..), then if you care about something, you can jump in and work directly on what matters to you 18:58:14 <colonelqubit> in a project such as LibreOffice, there are some indirect layers 18:58:51 <colonelqubit> But I definitely agree that better tools for user engagement are desirable 18:59:22 <colonelqubit> To look at another aspect of development, I'd love for us to have more user testing events 18:59:47 <colonelqubit> I ran one last year as a part of SpinachCon in Boston, and I'm hoping to have a repeat later this year in Florida 19:00:17 <colonelqubit> But that's partially a matter of having each sub-team under LibreOffice take an active role in engaging with our userbase 19:00:28 <Reisi007> jmadero: done 19:00:35 <colonelqubit> That's not something that the QA team or I can do on our own 19:01:18 <beluga_> well we can be trendsetters :) 19:01:25 * colonelqubit nods 19:01:36 <colonelqubit> I do think we have that distinction ;-) 19:01:48 * colonelqubit gets frustrated with his semicolon key.. 19:02:33 <jmadero> Reisi007: whoa - that is awesome lol 19:02:52 <Reisi007> jmadero: mhm ^^ 19:03:09 <colonelqubit> beluga_: how about you and jmadero stub-in some basic notes about recruitment. Something like QA/Team/Recruiting ? 19:03:10 <Reisi007> jmadero: instead of your idea this :p 19:03:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Tenho uma planilha com proteção de célula e esqueci a senha, como faço para remove-la? <http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br/question/46815/tenho-uma-planilha-com-protecao-de-celula-e-esqueci-a-senha-como-faco-para-remove-la/> 19:03:27 <Reisi007> jmadero: 2 weeks of work (quite full time) yet 19:03:31 <jmadero> beluga_: ping me over the weekend and/or early next week, we can work on that 19:03:37 <beluga_> jmadero: ok 19:03:55 <colonelqubit> #action stub-in some notes on the wiki re: recruiting (beluga_ and jmadero) 19:04:20 <colonelqubit> speaking of action items, let's see what's on the list from last time 19:04:30 <beluga_> jmadero, jab_, and beluga will chat about our strategy of collaborating with universities 19:04:48 * jmadero sighs 19:04:49 * colonelqubit nods -- I have some news about that 19:04:50 <beluga_> well we did chat with jab_doa_ and he will investigate 19:04:59 <jmadero> so much bureaucracy 19:05:07 <jmadero> but yes - it's been on my list for 2+ years 19:05:10 * beluga_ sings "it's all about the money.." 19:05:19 <jmadero> colonelqubit: maybe see if your alumn has IEEE organization 19:05:26 <jmadero> we can ping them direct 19:05:51 <colonelqubit> As I mentioned to jmadero earlier, I was talking with RedHat folks at SCALE, and there's interest in making a site and some tooling to facilitate more university <-> project interaction 19:06:23 <colonelqubit> they wanted to know if we'd like to be the test project 19:07:31 <colonelqubit> But I see no reason not to continue our work on multiple fronts: beluga_, jmadero, and jab_doa_ please continue what you've been doing 19:07:40 <jmadero> colonelqubit: +1 19:07:47 <colonelqubit> I'll follow-up with RH and see if htis moves out of the design phase 19:08:52 <colonelqubit> #action Robinson will follow up with RH regarding university interactions/tooling plans 19:09:42 <colonelqubit> Speaking of SCALE, I got a lot of interest in Document Freedom Day 19:10:49 <colonelqubit> Many people were interested in running an event, and were receptive to my pitch of creating more of a network in the US of people in support of open standards, FOSS, etc.. 19:10:54 * colonelqubit waves to raal 19:11:06 <colonelqubit> You've just arrived to the meeting! ;-) 19:11:40 <colonelqubit> raal: I just brought up Document Freedom Day (march 25th). Are you planning to run an event? 19:12:04 <raal> colonelqubit: Hi, lucky one :-) 19:12:10 <colonelqubit> and arnaud_versini! It's like getting the band back together 19:12:34 <raal> colonelqubit: no event, very busy these days 19:12:58 <colonelqubit> raal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EofwRzit0 19:12:59 <IZBot> YouTube - Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Full Video) by: djeevs - 04:08 19:13:09 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I'm going to america for work !!! 19:13:18 <colonelqubit> :-) 19:13:29 <colonelqubit> raal: any QA news you want to bring up? 19:13:41 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: French Guyana 19:14:20 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: sounds like fun 19:14:31 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: any QA news from your end? 19:15:01 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: I have a bug on my computer, I will add it, but for now I'm more in my trip :-D 19:15:16 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: No time for the python script installer 19:15:17 * colonelqubit nods -- fair enough -) 19:15:29 <arnaud_versini> now, but I will add features and 3.X ompatibility 19:15:29 * colonelqubit beats on his semicolon key.... work!! 19:16:55 <beluga_> colonelqubit: cat got your semicolon? 19:17:06 <colonelqubit> beluga_: and arnaud_versini's 'c', apparently 19:17:41 <beluga_> should use ç's 19:17:45 <colonelqubit> Anyhow, wrapping up my quick plug for Document Freedom Day: I think it's a great opportunity for us to get out there and talk with people who don't know much about open standards or LibreOffice, as well as reconnecting with people who are supporters, but who haven't been very active 19:18:44 <colonelqubit> the FSFE has some funding to send people materials such as posters and pamphlets, as well as funding to help with things like refreshments to help bribe...I mean "encourage" people to attend 19:18:56 <colonelqubit> So, definitely look into it 19:19:16 * colonelqubit looks back at our old Action items 19:19:21 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Perhaps I have a small conf with someone from french association April in TOulopuse 19:19:30 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: that would be great 19:20:10 <colonelqubit> I've suggested that people do something small -- mayve 15-20 people -- and just meeting in a local library or community center 19:20:24 <colonelqubit> IMHO it's all about building up a community, year by year 19:20:30 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: There is a free softare event in Toulouse this day 19:20:42 <colonelqubit> on march 25th? 19:20:58 <colonelqubit> Are you going to go there and wave the LibreOffice flag? 19:20:58 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Yep, but a small one 19:21:08 * colonelqubit wonders if we have LibreOffice flags... 19:21:13 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Can you send me the flag ? 19:21:31 <colonelqubit> << le drapeau du morse >> 19:22:48 <colonelqubit> rideau? (I can't remember which one is which now...) 19:23:06 <arnaud_versini> drapeau 19:23:17 <colonelqubit> Okay, so we have an action item re: Guided Bug Submission 19:23:20 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: you here? 19:24:00 <colonelqubit> Let's see... is sophie here? 19:24:14 <colonelqubit> I'll check to see if she's filed bugs re: the FR-BSA 19:24:49 <colonelqubit> I think that's about all from me 19:25:11 <colonelqubit> Anything else from you guys? 19:25:36 <colonelqubit> beluga_, jmadero, jphilipz, mjayfrancis, Reisi007, vsfoote ? 19:25:55 <beluga_> nothing else from me 19:27:25 <colonelqubit> okie dokes 19:27:49 <Reisi007> Nope 19:28:22 <colonelqubit> Thanks everyone for the great meeting! I'm going to go do a half hour of intensive triaging on the UNCONFIRMED pile, and I encourage all of you to join me. 19:28:42 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Action to colonelqubit 19:28:48 <arnaud_versini> about the flag 19:29:12 <beluga_> colonelqubit: you have to make a flag, man 19:29:27 <colonelqubit> #action Make the walrus flag (Robinson) 19:29:29 <colonelqubit> done 19:29:34 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting