18:34:41 <colonelqubit> #startmeeting
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18:35:05 <colonelqubit> we'll give people a couple of minutes to strap on their gun belts and show up to the rodeo
18:35:14 * ertai_NL sits on colonelqubit..
18:35:30 <Liongold> Yeehhaaa
18:36:20 <colonelqubit> ok, who's here?
18:36:40 <Liongold> If I can help, I'm here.
18:37:05 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis had some info to share about his totally awesome work (bi)bisecting regressions:
18:37:11 <ertai_NL> ME.. ME.. ME..
18:38:05 <colonelqubit> mjayfrancis 11:36:00 AM - Here's a little extra grist from the regression sweep. Current results from my tracking spreadsheet:
18:38:08 <colonelqubit> Fixed: 14;
18:38:10 <colonelqubit> Escalated to active contributor: 69;
18:38:12 <colonelqubit> Commit identified but could not forward to anyone: 20;
18:38:14 <colonelqubit> Could not reproduce or build close enough to identify commit: 18;
18:38:16 <colonelqubit> Bug already fixed, assigned or duplicate: 36;
18:38:18 <colonelqubit> Not yet examined: 43
18:38:20 <colonelqubit> TOTAL: 200
18:38:24 <colonelqubit> A few more good results have come through in the last couple of days. What's left is largely a few hairballs of duplicates, some mischaracterised bugs that need metadata improving, and a few which are just annoying to deal with for whatever reason
18:38:33 <colonelqubit> So a big thanks to MJF for stepping up there
18:39:07 <ertai_NL> :D
18:39:12 <Liongold> mjayfrancis: Good job
18:40:19 <colonelqubit> Okay, beluga said he'd be a little late to the meeting. Anyone else showing up?
18:41:06 <jmadero> shm_get: ping
18:41:07 <ertai_NL> it would seem so
18:41:08 <colonelqubit> "Like a good neighbor, jmadero is there..."
18:41:14 <jmadero> lol that was pretty hilarious
18:41:17 <jmadero> but I'm not really here :-/
18:41:20 <Liongold> jmadero: Hi
18:41:21 <jmadero> well I am but not for long
18:41:23 <jmadero> hey Liongold
18:41:31 <Liongold> jmadero: Everything good?
18:41:35 <shm_get> jmadero pong
18:41:40 <jmadero> Liongold: busy busy but yes good
18:41:41 <colonelqubit> jmadero:  you missed the line before "Me: 01:39:38 PM - Okay, beluga said he'd be a little late to the meeting. Anyone else showing up?"
18:42:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 88416] Feature request - Allow hiding fonts from options UI <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88416> || [Bug 88417] Dropdown for ruler settings should show radio buttons instead of check boxes <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88417>
18:42:50 <colonelqubit> Liongold: he's busy, so you've got to ask "may I approach?" before you talk now
18:43:10 <Liongold> colonelqubit: ?
18:43:15 <colonelqubit> (then he'll judge whether your question is worthy of an answer)
18:43:30 <jmadero> shm_get: I PMed you if you have a moment
18:43:31 <colonelqubit> Liongold: It's what you ahve to do in a courtroom to talk to the judge privately
18:44:13 <Liongold> colonelqubit: Oh yeah, you're right. We have to give full respect to Dr. Madero (is it Honourable)?
18:44:17 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: do you have much experience with nginx?
18:44:23 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: not much
18:44:29 <ertai_NL> damn.. me neither
18:44:30 * colonelqubit thinks we're about ready here
18:44:44 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: Okay, so how's the BSA stuff going?
18:44:49 <ertai_NL> building
18:44:49 <colonelqubit> #topic BSA
18:45:08 <colonelqubit> hmm... guess I am more powerful when running a meeting
18:45:12 <colonelqubit> (I'll fix that)
18:45:21 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: good, good
18:46:31 <ertai_NL> cloph: ping
18:46:37 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: So please let us know if we can help you there
18:46:46 <ertai_NL> ok
18:46:49 * colonelqubit is a bit swamped right now, but just keep us informed
18:47:08 <ertai_NL> start the meeting?
18:47:27 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: we're basically started here -- BSA was the first item on my list
18:47:44 <colonelqubit> UNCONFIRMED: 359 open
18:48:17 <ertai_NL> ok. I am building bsa now on the new machine as we speak..
18:48:28 <colonelqubit> We've been holding pretty stable with UNCONFIRMED bugs since the new year
18:48:39 <ertai_NL> \o/
18:49:11 <colonelqubit> we had a great push during the holidays, but we've been around 350 and haven't gotten much traction in the last couple of weeks
18:49:41 <colonelqubit> I know we had a lot of bugs filed recently, so it's important for us to stay on top of the pile
18:50:23 <colonelqubit> As always, if you ask a reporter for information, a test document, etc... and the bug is UNCONFIRMED, please change status to NEEDINFO
18:50:46 <colonelqubit> That will save the time of others who are going through and triaging open bugs
18:51:27 <ertai_NL> ok
18:51:35 <colonelqubit> Bugzilla Migration: We're still on track for January 24th
18:52:11 <colonelqubit> Remember to sign up for some time slots on the wiki
18:52:13 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/TDF_Bugzilla_Proposal#Staffing_the_QA_Support_Channels
18:52:15 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/TDF_Bugzilla_Proposal/Post-Migration_Support
18:52:36 <colonelqubit> I don't expect we'll have many inquiries, but I'd like to make sure we address the ones we get promptly
18:54:14 <colonelqubit> Another item on my list: Regression Prevention
18:54:34 <colonelqubit> Markus suggested a task if anyone's interested:
18:54:52 <colonelqubit> We have a calc document that contains some basic features that every single import format supports  (sc/qa/unit/data/ods/universal-content.ods)
18:55:11 <colonelqubit> Because it's universal, it limits what we can add to the document re: testing
18:55:47 <colonelqubit> The Task: generate a more complex document that is only used for ods, xls, xlsx and maybe a few other formats that support these features as well. This will be used in our Automated Import Testing
18:56:29 <colonelqubit> There's more information on the meeting page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2015/January_14#New_topics), or you can always ping Markus for more information.
18:57:05 <colonelqubit> Liongold: Anything on your end?
18:59:43 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: he's here!
18:59:53 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: Anything you'd like to bring up for the meeting?
19:00:47 <colonelqubit> Or perhaps it's just arnaud's ghost
19:01:42 <Liongold> Back
19:01:58 <colonelqubit> Liongold: anything to discuss?
19:02:54 <colonelqubit> I've got one more topic: Media Support
19:03:16 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support/Summary
19:03:52 <colonelqubit> We now have a pretty useful summary page that lists the status of Image, Audio, and Video support across Win/Mac/Linux
19:04:20 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Things to do sorry
19:04:35 <Liongold> colonelqubit: Any info on the BSA (what is actually building)?
19:05:16 <colonelqubit> the tl;dr is that while image support is very good and a/v support is good on GNU/Linux, we have basically no cross-platform solution for Audio and Video
19:05:41 <colonelqubit> Liongold: let's get back to the BSA in a moment
19:06:42 <Liongold> Ok sorry
19:07:00 <colonelqubit> I'm not sure what our game plan is for A/V, but hopefully we'll have some kind of a roadmap in the coming months. If any of you have a suggestion about where we can get some traction (GSoC maybe?), I'm all ears
19:07:19 <colonelqubit> Liongold: no worries; so about the BSA
19:07:31 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: what's building right now?
19:07:44 <ertai_NL> the make of bsa
19:08:43 <Liongold> ertai_NL: Is this to fix the problem we had where it was not working? Or because of the migration?
19:09:13 * colonelqubit thinks the answer may be 'yes' :-)
19:09:17 <ertai_NL> no this is for the migration. The bsa won't be fixed before the migration..
19:09:58 <Liongold> ertai_NL: Could the migration fix the problem? Or another cause was found?
19:10:27 <ertai_NL> the BSA and bugzilla being on the same machine should fix it
19:10:45 <colonelqubit> Partners in crime
19:11:11 <Liongold> Oh good. Thanks.
19:11:29 <Liongold> And sorry all
19:12:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 3D slide transitions <http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/9727/3d-slide-transitions/>
19:12:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 88418] FORMATTING: Wingdings font not applied in DOCX file (symbols) <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88418>
19:12:50 <colonelqubit> Okay, I think that's all the topics I have on the list
19:13:11 <colonelqubit> Anything else you want to discuss?   Bugs I should bring to the ESC?
19:13:42 <Liongold> None from me.
19:14:21 <ertai_NL> just please all add your name to the post-migration-available-list as mentioned earlier
19:14:38 <Liongold> Will do in a moment.
19:15:24 <colonelqubit> Some Stats:
19:15:27 <colonelqubit> needAdvice: 15 (down)
19:15:29 <colonelqubit> bibisectRequest: 54 (up, slightly)
19:15:31 <colonelqubit> preBibisect: 33
19:16:42 <colonelqubit> Regressions:
19:16:45 <colonelqubit> 4.4: 37 (up)
19:16:47 <colonelqubit> 4.3: 78 (up)
19:16:49 <colonelqubit> 4.2: 84 (down)
19:19:06 <colonelqubit> Bibisected:
19:19:09 <colonelqubit> open: 232 (up)
19:19:11 <colonelqubit> all: 235
19:20:17 <Liongold> colonelqubit: When stats are finished, I'd like to point out an issue with updater.
19:20:31 <colonelqubit> Liongold: yep, that's all I have
19:21:02 <ertai_NL> https://vm150.documentfoundation.org/bsa/bug.html <- the start-page shows.. nothing more.. but I got nginx working
19:21:27 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: good, good
19:21:37 <Liongold> Don't know how many have 4.4 installed but the updater is showing me the update 4.3.5 which is older (in terms of release) and not part of 4.4.
19:21:48 <Liongold> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/website/commit/?h=update
19:22:21 <Liongold> I can't find the source itself but the problem is shown here.
19:24:29 <colonelqubit> rc1 or 2?
19:25:36 <colonelqubit> Liongold: I think that upgrade path was a mistake?  Anyhow, I don't think i've seen it with 4.4.0.2 rc
19:26:18 <cloph> ertai_NL: pong
19:26:25 <colonelqubit> Help -> Check for Updates gives me no problems with 4.4.0.2
19:26:32 <cloph> sorry - irc proxy got disconnected and I didn't notice...
19:26:32 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: would https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/bsa be an ok url? and https://bugzilla-test.documentfoundation.org/bsa/fr for the french?
19:26:49 <ertai_NL> cloph: ah.. solved it already.. but thanks anyway.
19:27:43 <cloph> colonelqubit: re update suggestion: yes, "fixed" for 4.4.0.2 - was caused because I added the IDs/hashes for the earlier 4.4 versions previously (lesson learned :-))
19:27:48 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: yes, sounds good. The shorter the better
19:28:05 <colonelqubit> cloph: yeah, I think I tracked that down in the bug report
19:28:14 <colonelqubit> looks all fixed now
19:29:10 <Liongold> Ok, thanks.
19:30:07 <Liongold> ertai_NL: Should the text link be updated to bugs.documentfoundation that will be the new URL?
19:30:13 <Liongold> in the BSA
19:31:25 <colonelqubit> Liongold: the bugs.libreoffice.org url will transition over from FDO to TDF infra, so if we need to share a url, we can use that one for now
19:31:43 <colonelqubit> After the migration, then we can start updating urls to bugs.tdf-org
19:32:11 <Liongold> colonelqubit: But since the BSA won't work until migration, I thought that it would be good to change it now.
19:32:23 * colonelqubit shrugs -- yeah, that's fine w/me :-)
19:32:54 <cloph> canonical URL will be bugs.documentfoundation.org (i.e. that will be official URL) - but  bugs.libreoffice.org will be proxy/redirect there.
19:33:17 <Liongold> cloph: Thanks for the info.
19:34:29 <colonelqubit> Okay, anything else, folks?
19:35:32 <ertai_NL> cloph: do you know if the BSA updates still automaticly?
19:35:38 <ertai_NL> the old BSA..
19:35:51 <cloph> ertai_NL: not on the newdesign site, but on the production server it does.
19:36:16 <cloph> (should at least - so if it doesn't work, make sure to ping :-))
19:36:51 <ertai_NL> cloph: can you stop that?
19:37:09 <ertai_NL> I want to push updates on the git that are only for the new bsa.
19:37:10 <cloph> sure.
19:37:28 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: you can always push changes on a new branch
19:37:35 <ertai_NL> cloph: the new bsa runs on the vm150.. colonelqubit said it should run there..
19:37:53 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: as the other won't be fixed it won't be usefull to do that
19:38:31 <cloph> ertai_NL: disabled the cronjob.
19:38:36 <ertai_NL> thnx
19:38:57 <cloph> And yeah, running the BSA on the bugzilla host itself of course would free us of doing (and fixing) the proxying problem.
19:39:26 <colonelqubit> ...just don't blow up bugzilla by accident! :P
19:40:01 <colonelqubit> beluga: The prodigal sun shines again!  Got anything for us?
19:40:26 <Liongold> beluga: Hello sun
19:40:26 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: why?? It would be fun.. :P
19:40:36 <beluga> colonelqubit: I just came from another meeting (a housing co-op) so I'm a bit dizzy :) I can't think of anything
19:40:42 * colonelqubit nods
19:40:43 <beluga> you can ask me things
19:40:45 <colonelqubit> Okay
19:41:18 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL, Liongold, beluga, cloph, jmadero, et al: Thanks for the great meeting!  I'm going to go tackle a few UNCONFIRMED bugs now, and Invite y'all to join me :-)
19:41:29 * colonelqubit crosses his fingers about the topic
19:41:34 <colonelqubit> #endmeeting