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14:17:46 <reisi007> #topic QA Call 28.12.2012
14:24:42 <ertai_NL> #help
15:48:31 <markit> hi ppl, I'm working on bug 58622 and tryint to test it further, I've discovered a difference among 3.6 and 4.0 when comes to fonts that are not in the system
15:49:16 <markit> loading the same document shows a different spacing so a different word wrapping. In windows, where I have helvetica font, everything is ok
15:51:54 <markit> in any case, I've seen how badly certain fonts are rendered at 100% zoom, I've some screenshot, anyone wants to have a look later when I will merge them in a single png?
16:00:46 <jorendc> markit: I'll look at it
16:01:19 <markit> jorendc: one main difference is that with libo 3.6, if you have "this is no-nonsense"
16:01:43 <markit> it can hyphen with the "-", that's wrong (I mean, cut and wrod wrap there)
16:01:53 <markit> while 4.0 does not, and that's ok
16:02:16 <jorendc> mmh, I already checked that bug, and I didn't saw any difference; but because I didn't understand the problem description 100% I didn't leave a message
16:02:27 <markit> jorendc: I've took the sample text he linked (brr... copyright, government... not good at all!)
16:02:40 <markit> I've removed the direct formatting
16:03:05 <markit> and now is much better, except in a page where 4.0 wraps bottom text paragraph while 3.6 does not
16:03:48 <markit> btw, diffpdf is a great tool, would love to have a diff odt too (revision feature in libo does not show 2 panels)
16:08:14 <jorendc> markit: there is one, but that's for .ods files
16:08:48 <jorendc> mogg i (-> I wouldn like to disturb/ping him so I didn't write his name without space) uses one
16:11:02 <moggi> jorendc: pong
16:11:28 <moggi> jorendc: better to write the right name so that it is highlighted in my irc client, otherwise I might miss it
16:12:11 <jorendc> moggi: :D I would ping you
16:12:16 <jorendc> but I was refering to you
16:12:32 <jorendc> that you use (convwatch.py), a kind of diffpdf for calc files
16:14:44 <markit> jorendc: I see, but also searching inside odt is a mess, I mean, when I used Office 95, the file dialog box had the "search content" capability
16:15:23 <markit> as far as I know, we don't have such a feature in LiBo, so if I want to search for a document where there is for sure a code, I have to open all my 2.000 files and search myself
16:15:27 <jorendc> * I wouldn't ping you
16:16:00 <jorendc> markit: what do you mean with 'search content'?
16:16:08 <jorendc> we have a search option ...?
16:16:15 <jorendc> (cntr + F)
16:16:49 <jorendc> ctrl+F I mean
16:17:18 <markit> jorendc: let's say that you have 1.000 odt documents, ok? normal in a office
16:17:41 <markit> you need to find the document where, for sure, you wrote "78448754", ok? but you don't remember which is
16:17:51 <markit> do you open all of them one by one and ^F?
16:17:55 <markit> very time consuming ;P
16:18:00 <jorendc> haha
16:18:07 <jorendc> Mmh, me neither :D
16:18:25 <jorendc> a perfect 'time waste'
16:18:31 <markit> or you create a python script that unzips and greps them? mmm hard for a employee
16:19:16 <markit> M$office 95  (17 years ago) had this feature in the "file open" dialog, for instance
16:19:38 <markit> that's why I cry loud when I consider how many "business" feature we miss and don't fix
16:19:57 <markit> you say "no one asks", and I reply "because they evaluated libo, found it lacking, and went on with M"
16:19:59 <markit> M$
16:20:21 <markit> people don't used to Free software don't think "I will give money to implement that feature"
16:20:28 <markit> or "I will hire some programmers for that"
16:20:41 <jorendc> yeah, indeed
16:20:47 <markit> they just say "oh, it's important for me, it's missing, that's not the right program for my business"
16:20:53 <jorendc> maybe open a enhancement request :)?
16:20:57 <jorendc> You already reported that?
16:21:01 <moggi> markit: write an extension and just put it into the extension repository
16:21:18 <markit> moggi: yep, that't the foss answer that upsets everyone ;P
16:21:44 <markit> jorendc: that's only one example, mail merge being another
16:21:56 <moggi> markit: well someone needs to do the work
16:22:09 <jorendc> I thought LO have mailmerge?
16:22:28 <markit> or just some days ago a school where I intruduced libo complained because of a pair of features that are very easy with M$ and, I tried, hard in libo
16:22:28 <jorendc> (I never used it, but I thought LO has one)
16:22:51 <markit> jorendc: well, some users say "it does not have" because is so complicated that they think is not there, or not working
16:23:01 <markit> in any case, I used it and I hate it
16:23:12 <jorendc> markit: I understand
16:23:17 <markit> well, back to our QA :)
16:23:19 <jorendc> but, you reported that?
16:23:28 <jorendc> indeed :-). i'll try to reproduce
16:23:33 <markit> probably I did time ago, but devs don't care
16:23:45 <markit> (if was not this, was another... same music)
16:24:12 <markit> I've the feeling that even withou Sun the "bug priority / enrancements" is not driven the right way
16:24:55 <markit> of course devs implement what they like, but often are not that useful features, if you have a look at how much KDE improved visually and how some tasks are done still badly...
16:25:09 * markit needs to end the "rant time"
16:25:27 <markit> sorry, it makes feel better, I'm so frustrated many many times :(
16:26:02 <markit> time to talk with wife that was calling me... brb (I posted an answer in that bug, if you want to read it...)
16:42:48 <markit> ok, back
16:44:09 <jorendc> I'm also back :-)
16:44:26 <jorendc> I created 4 different versions of the government file
16:45:17 <jorendc> I also made a screenshot of both windows (1 windows = pdf from version X; Other windows = document in LibreOffice version X)
16:45:22 <jorendc> I'll upload it right now
16:54:06 <markit> jorendc: WHAT?
16:54:13 <markit> what upload? not that file I hope
16:54:19 <jorendc> no no :)
16:54:25 <markit> oh, ok :)))
16:54:26 <jorendc> You'll see
16:54:30 <markit> ok, great
16:54:46 <markit> btw, I long time ago attached a file I emptied, but I did a bad work
16:55:02 <markit> some weeks ago with google I've found it in openoffice bug tracker
16:55:13 <markit> wondering if I can ask them to remove it...
16:55:28 <markit> has libo imported all the issues of openoffice in it's bug tracker also?
16:57:03 <jorendc> I don't know :)
16:57:31 <jorendc> I saw several bugs relating to a openoffice issue... but I don't know or the bugs are imported
16:59:08 <markit> jorendc: investigating bugs is really a time waste activity... just one in all this afternoon (ok, I'm also doing something else, but...)
16:59:28 <markit> we must find a better way, or more involvment from the reporter, or don't know what...
16:59:50 <jorendc> indeed
17:00:15 <jorendc> :-) that's why I asked reporter to diffpdf my pdf's
17:00:35 <jorendc> I really don't know how it works ... but when I need to learn it... 2 houres passed by
17:01:19 <jorendc> but creating the pdfs, make a screenshot, make a zip file, upload it to dropbox, read all comments, etc ... very time consuming
17:11:02 * jorendc going to eat
17:11:27 <jorendc> markit: do you use LO 4.0?
17:11:54 <jorendc> if so: I reported a bug yesterday... Easy and fast to reproduce. I think it's a regression
17:12:03 <jorendc> so if you have a couple of minutes: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58815
17:12:07 <markit> jorendc: in my debian GNU/Linux I've 3.6 and I've installed in parallel 4.0beta2, yes
17:12:08 <IZBot> bug 58815: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [CRASH][FILESAVE] save slide/presentation without slide header as .ppt results in crash
17:12:09 * jorendc going to eat now
17:12:30 <jorendc> (I'll be back after my meal
17:12:32 <markit> jorendc: ok, I have a look now, let you know
17:12:40 <jorendc> markit: thanks
17:18:32 <markit> jorendc: ehm, I did file -> save as ppt, but produced a savethisasppt.potm file!
17:19:20 <markit> mm I see, the type selection box has some problems
17:20:18 <markit> if I open the ppt, has "save this presentation as ppt" label... TWICE
17:28:52 <jorendc> mmh, strange; That isn't the problem
17:28:56 <jorendc> the problem is a crash
17:29:05 <jorendc> can you reproduce using the 'how to reproduce' steps?
17:29:26 <jorendc> markit:
17:29:44 <markit> jorendc: sorry, busy now
17:29:59 <jorendc> no problem markit; thanks for testing anyway!
17:30:08 <markit> I'll test further later
17:34:48 <markit> jorendc: does not crash
17:35:10 <markit> mmm maybe
17:35:14 <jorendc> markit: thanks trying to reproduce
17:35:20 <markit> did not crashed in the save phase
17:35:25 <markit> then I closed impress
17:35:29 <jorendc> yes
17:35:31 <jorendc> that's the bug
17:35:31 <markit> but now I try to open the file
17:35:37 <markit> and tells me that is in use
17:35:59 <jorendc> mmh, My LO crash when I close impress
17:36:09 <jorendc> ... (not when saving, but when closing impress)
17:36:16 <markit> mmm no soffice process alive
17:36:22 <markit> no, closed without message
17:36:39 <markit> well, I can start it from bash and see if there is some more info there
17:36:50 <markit> or you do, since you can reproduce
17:37:15 <markit> in any case, my text is displayed TWICE
17:38:55 <jorendc> mmh
17:39:02 <jorendc> that's a bug on it's own :p
17:39:06 <markit> mmm it asks me if I want to recover
17:39:13 <markit> so some "hidden" crash happend indeed
17:39:24 <jorendc> but the behavior it's not closed properly ... is still a strange behavior
17:39:31 <markit> yes
17:40:12 <jorendc> and that's quite relevant for my bug ...
17:40:16 <jorendc> I get a crash when closing
17:40:28 <jorendc> on your computer libreoffice doesn't crash, but don't close it properly
17:41:40 <markit> I've found an even faster way to reproduce
17:41:51 <markit> fire impress, new, create
17:41:57 <markit> then add an empty slide
17:42:08 <markit> close the document, you are asked if save or not
17:42:10 <markit> say "no"
17:42:13 <markit> impress closes
17:42:30 <markit> can you test it?
17:42:45 <markit> jorendc: with 4.0beta2
17:42:53 <markit> now I try with 3.6.2
17:43:02 <jorendc> markit: I'll try
17:43:17 <markit> 3.6 works fine
17:44:00 <jorendc> Indeed; crash in 4.0b2
17:44:23 <jorendc> No crash in 3.6.4.3
17:46:06 <jorendc_> markimarkisorry, error essage from IRC
17:46:22 <jorendc_> I can reproduce using LO 4.0 b1 and b2
17:47:11 <jorendc_> also with master 4.1
17:47:30 <jorendc_> so, a very bad regression I suppose :|
17:47:46 <markit> jorendc_: bisect?
17:47:59 <jorendc_> you know how that works?
17:48:06 <jorendc_> (I'm not familiar with it
17:48:08 <markit> jorendc_: do you want me to post that I confirm, can reproduce even with simpler method?
17:48:12 <jorendc_> I'll like to learn it...
17:48:19 <jorendc_> yeah, sture
17:48:20 <jorendc_> sure*
17:48:28 <markit> jorendc_: I was coached about it time ago, is ingredible tool, I took some note
17:48:36 <markit> hope they will work ;P
17:48:40 <markit> ok, post first
17:48:48 <jorendc_> markit: you can change bug title also
17:48:49 <markit> then we will add bisect info, if we can
17:48:57 <jorendc_> ok;
17:49:07 <markit> how change the title?
17:49:12 <jorendc_> I'll restart my computer now; have some problems with it
17:49:36 <jorendc_> Bug 58815 - [CRASH][FILESAVE] save slide/presentation without slide header as .ppt results in crash (edit)  <- Click on edit
17:49:38 <jorendc_> (in title)
17:50:16 <jorendc_> markit: or create a new bug
17:50:28 <jorendc_> and I'll mark my bug as duplicate or as a 'see also'
17:50:49 <jorendc_> (but first i'll restart my computer now
17:50:52 <jorendc_> be right back
17:56:32 <jorendc> markit: back :)
17:56:48 <jorendc> thanks, I'll report I can reproduce your steps
17:59:29 <markit> jorendc: btw, regarding to bug 58622, I've seen your post
17:59:42 <markit> but you were lucky you were not able to attach the file!!!
17:59:49 <markit> did you read what the reporter said?
17:59:57 <markit> he did not attached because is a reserved document
18:00:07 <markit> while you were going to do it
18:00:53 <jorendc> oh ok :p
18:01:04 <jorendc> damn :) I have lucky ;-)
18:01:19 <jorendc> markit: reported bug to MAB4.0 ...
18:01:44 <jorendc> (bug 58815)
18:02:42 <markit> ok
18:02:44 <jorendc> markit: I marked bug 58815 because you can reproduce it using linux.
18:02:58 <jorendc> When I create a bug, I'll set it 'mac osx'-only
18:03:00 <markit> GNU/Linux please ;P
18:03:10 <markit> I'm running diffpdf
18:03:21 <jorendc> but when someone can reproduce using another platform, you can set it to 'all'
18:03:25 <markit> on your files, interesting things happen
18:03:35 <markit> jorendc: yep, good
18:03:43 <jorendc> I'm sorry :-). I don't want to insult GNU/Linux
18:03:53 <markit> LO-3-5-7 vs LO-3-6-4-3 produce the SAME pdf
18:04:46 <markit> brb phone
18:05:00 <jorendc> ok, take your time
18:07:03 <markit> back
18:07:35 <markit> mmm LO-3-6-4-3 and LO-4-0-B1 the same too
18:07:59 <markit> LO-4-1 DIfferent
18:08:07 <markit> so things are becoming worse lol
18:08:28 <jorendc> mmh
18:08:43 <jorendc> so no regression between LO4-0-B1 and LO 3.6
18:08:44 <markit> in any case, his problem is triggered by font not included in the OS
18:08:53 <jorendc> but a regression between LO4.1 and 4.0B1?
18:09:01 <markit> yep, in fact I tested with XP and produced the same pdf, more or less
18:09:09 <jorendc> oh ok
18:09:17 <markit> well, you should compare how it opens the document
18:09:29 <markit> I mean, maybe if you load it with 4.1 looks wrong
18:09:39 <markit> and if then produce the pdf, it's wrong as a consequence
18:10:19 <markit> do you have only macos, no gnu/linux?
18:10:28 <markit> because bisect works only for GNU/Linux
18:10:57 <jorendc> I have ubuntu
18:11:17 <jorendc> but that's our 'general'/'shared' pc
18:11:19 <markit> live cd or installed? do you want to try bisect or just want me to?
18:11:35 <jorendc> macOS is my personal laptop :)
18:11:52 <jorendc> mmh, damn; Someone else is on our shared pc
18:12:01 <jorendc> so I think I can't test it right now
18:12:04 * jorendc sob :(
18:12:16 <markit> ok, I try
18:12:23 <jorendc> but thanks in advance
18:12:40 <jorendc> when I'm on ubuntu next time, and you're online. I maybe can ping you then?
18:13:02 <jorendc> I'm interested in the output you can produce with bisect
18:13:07 <markit> sure
18:13:16 <markit> but let's see if my notes still work, lol
18:14:00 <markit> I've ubuntu as dual boot in my children's pc, otherwise we use Debian
18:16:41 <jorendc> :-) oh ok
18:22:15 <markit> mmm huge file to download, estimated time.... 5 hours!
18:22:17 <markit> lol
18:22:35 <markit> when I will end dowloading other updates, probably will become half of that
18:23:11 <jorendc> lol
18:23:13 <jorendc> :D
18:23:22 <jorendc> that's the result of bisect?
18:23:37 <markit> what do you mean? a range of commits
18:23:37 <jorendc> bisect downloads all relevant files or something?
18:23:48 <markit> it's a sort of magic, based on git
18:24:07 <markit> it downloads the binary files with all the deltas and related to the commits
18:24:14 <jorendc> oh ok
18:24:19 <markit> with git, you can run any step
18:24:35 <jorendc> what's the estimated filesize?
18:24:39 <jorendc> 5 houres is ... huge :D
18:24:41 <markit> with their script you start at the bottom and top of the versions
18:24:54 <markit> and you are asked if there still is the bug
18:25:16 <markit> then the script automatically goes at half the position and prepares the binary again
18:25:33 <markit> the biselec method, wikipedia if you want to know better
18:26:22 <jorendc> Oh I see :)
18:26:42 <markit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm
18:27:07 <markit> 4,1G of binaries, sigh
18:28:13 <jorendc> mmh; so you now download the binary's of a 'state'/'build' between LO 3.6.4.3 and LO 4.0?
18:29:07 <jorendc> and if you still can reproduce using this build; you download a 'build'/'state' between that mid-build and LO4.0
18:29:44 <jorendc> and if you can't reproduce it anymore, you download binary's of 'build'/'state' between the mid-mid-build and the first (mid-build)
18:29:45 <jorendc> etc?
18:30:24 <jorendc> Oh, our general computer isn't occupied anymore. I'll boot to ubuntu
18:33:52 <markit> jorendc: you need ubuntu 64 bit
18:34:08 <jorendc> I have that installed :)
18:34:24 <jorendc> I'm following this tutorial right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA88flop4MM
18:34:25 <markit> 12.04 or 12.10 I think
18:34:28 <IZBot> YouTube - Bisecting - LibreOffice by: Florian Reisinger - 10:38
18:34:32 <jorendc> 12.10 installed :)
18:34:35 <markit> jorendc: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bibisect
18:36:26 <jorendc> markit: I need to download version 4 of bibisect?
18:38:04 <markit> yep
18:38:18 <markit> I'm downloading this: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect-4.0.tar.xz
18:38:49 <markit> jorendc: if you are going to do, I interrupt the download
18:39:41 <jorendc> what's your downloading speed?
18:40:10 <jorendc> I see file is 4,1GB, what size did you download already?
18:40:26 <markit> jumping... my max is 750KB/s
18:40:36 <markit> 600MB
18:40:55 <markit> jorendc: I mean, if you want to try bibisec, is very good
18:41:00 <markit> an interesting experience
18:41:08 <markit> I was doing since you were not able to
18:41:08 <jorendc> yes I will
18:41:19 <markit> ok, I interrupt the download then
18:41:22 <jorendc> no, just go ahead
18:41:27 <markit> argh :)
18:41:50 <jorendc> you interrupt it?
18:41:54 <markit> sure
18:41:57 <jorendc> Ok, I'll download it then :-)
18:42:01 <markit> I could resume maybe with wget -c
18:42:06 <markit> better :)
18:42:07 <jorendc> else you interrupt it for nothing :)
18:42:30 <markit> I've some ltsp work to do, and also have to eat, but just ping me if you need help
18:42:41 <jorendc> ok; thanks ma
18:42:42 <jorendc> markit:
18:43:16 <jorendc> markit: enjoy your meal
19:16:49 <markit> jorendc: let me know how is it going :)
19:16:59 <jorendc> 47% downloaded :)
19:17:02 <jorendc> markit: you?
19:17:14 <markit> I stopped
19:17:17 <jorendc> but, while waiting I saw the instruction video
19:17:39 <jorendc> and I pinged Sweetshark in direct chat about a feature ... torrent :-)
19:17:54 <markit> :)
19:18:08 <jorendc> oh yeah, I installed libjpeg64 also
19:22:11 <jorendc> markit: I only need to download this once?
19:22:23 <jorendc> Or need I download it every time?
19:22:57 <markit> well, don't think you can update
19:23:14 <markit> so if will be produced a new one, you have to re-download, but I'm not sure
19:23:32 <markit> since with git should be a matter of setting up a remote repository and just grab the new deltas
19:23:52 <jorendc> ok
19:24:19 <jorendc> markit: I also need to download the MELD_LIBREOFFICE_REPOS
19:24:41 <markit> never heard about them
19:24:52 <jorendc> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bibisect
19:25:04 <jorendc> under versions
19:25:07 <jorendc> and then 'Commit range from'
19:25:18 <markit> I don't think so
19:25:47 <markit> I think are just parts of the file you are already downloading
19:25:54 <jorendc> ok :
19:25:56 <jorendc> :)*
19:26:25 <jorendc> around 20 minutes to download
19:26:36 <markit> git tag -v latest
19:26:48 <markit> mmm maybe it updates to the latest commits?
19:27:24 <jorendc> http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-Basics-Tagging
19:27:27 <markit> oh, no, there are instructions for verify
19:27:28 <jorendc> that's a tagging option
19:27:36 <jorendc> a kind of 'bookmarking'
19:27:52 <markit> I do use git but for very trivial stuff, and I've not understood it at all
19:28:02 <jorendc> me neither :)
19:28:09 <jorendc> I use it to work on a python script
19:28:16 <jorendc> but I just note some commands down
19:28:25 <jorendc> and put them in the terminal in the right order
19:28:33 <markit> oh I have that book about git, lol
19:28:47 <jorendc> you've got a book about git :p?
19:28:52 <markit> do you program in python? for libo also?
19:29:32 <jorendc> I'm learning it
19:29:42 <jorendc> not directly for libo
19:29:44 <jorendc> for dev-tools
19:30:05 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1490/
19:30:34 <jorendc> But I'm just a newbie :)
19:31:01 <jorendc> I don't commit valuable things right now, just some basic things
19:32:08 <jorendc> 2.9GB downloaded of 4.1GB :)
19:41:59 <markit> btw, when I saved trying to reproduce your bug with your steps, the content was dubbled
19:42:02 <markit> can you confirm it?
19:42:12 <markit> maybe this a new brand bug worth file
19:42:29 <jorendc> Can't reproduce 'doubled' ...
19:42:33 <jorendc> I just crashes when I close it
19:44:50 <jorendc> it*
19:47:18 <jorendc> 3 more minutes to go :) 94% downloaded
19:49:48 <jorendc> download finished :-). Thanks for canceling your download (I don't know that would make a difference)
19:52:40 <jorendc> markit: yu can start downloading if you want
19:53:17 <markit> jorendc: I cancelled because not interested in dowloading it at the moment
19:53:23 <jorendc> oh ok :)
19:53:38 <markit> jorendc: mmm so you save as ppt and then crashes, but if you open the ppt has double text on it?
19:53:51 <markit> mine crashed AFTER saving
19:54:01 <markit> save, close, crash
19:54:30 <markit> I'll have a look later
19:55:15 <jorendc> markit: mine crashes AFTER saving too... I can save it, but when I click on the 'x' to close impress (/window)
19:55:22 <jorendc> that result in crash
19:55:36 <jorendc> and when I open created ppt file ... there is NO double text in it ...
20:00:42 <markit> I see
20:17:16 <jorendc> thank markit :-). I just did my first bibisect :D
20:36:14 <scren> Hi, should I mark a bug as RESOLVED - WORKSFORME, if it works fine for me, but I'm not using the same OS as the bugreporter? Especially for performance/freeze-bugs. (The one I'm thinking about is #54787 reported for 3.6.0.4 in Windows, it works fine for me in the 4.0.0.0.beta2 in Ubuntu)
20:36:18 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED calc loops forever on formule paste, but no circular reference EDITING https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54787
20:38:37 <jorendc> mmh, because you use another platform, just comment that you can't reproducing it with <platform name> and using libreoffice <version>
20:38:43 <jorendc> and let it UNCONFIRMED
20:41:37 <scren> ok, thanks
11:25:37 <markit> I need to edit a xml file, but I see a single line of tags and word
11:25:43 <markit> any idea? is the autocorrect dictionarly
11:26:39 <moggi> markit use xmllint --format
11:27:21 <markit> is xmllint a program or a flag for emacs?
11:27:48 <markit> ok, a program
11:28:16 <markit> moggi: so a way to convert to readable xml, then edit, then convert back to the "obscure" one?
11:36:52 <moggi> markit: you don't need to convert it back
11:37:35 <markit> I see, thanks
11:38:10 <markit> xmllint --format DocumentList.xml > a.xml and edited it
13:29:33 <markit> mmm is it me or bugzilla is down?
14:49:27 <markit> I've found that a bug, file for impress, affects Drawing also... I've wrote a comment about it, I think is the same part of the code, but is it better to file another bug and refer to the former instead?
14:51:39 <jorendc> markit: I saw your comment
14:51:41 <jorendc> thanks
14:51:53 <jorendc> mmh, lets wait for a developer to look at it
14:51:55 <markit> hi jorendc, did not noticed you online, lol
14:52:04 <jorendc> hi ;-)
14:52:07 <markit> I've seen you biselected, so good :)
14:52:19 <jorendc> I'm studying right now :-). But now and then I look at IRC :)
14:52:31 <jorendc> thanks :), and thanks for the help
14:57:40 <jorendc> markit: I'm building right now (new master version on my Ubuntu)
14:57:52 <jorendc> I can't test it right now
14:58:09 <jorendc> I'll try to reproduce it with Mac osx also
14:58:25 <markit> jorendc: have you discovered if there is a way to "update" the bibisec stuff without having to wait they to prepare a new version and download 4GB again?
14:59:03 <markit> jorendc: if you can reproduce with Mac and 4.0beta2 is enough I think
14:59:17 <jorendc> I can reproduce it also with Draw indeed
14:59:51 <jorendc> I'll add 'Draw' to the bug name and set bug compenent at 'LibreOffice'
15:03:59 <jorendc> markit: I think there is a bug in the side pane of draw and impress
15:04:18 <jorendc> I just tried to reproduce using Calc (adding a new sheet), but NO crash
15:04:39 <markit> I did also, lol
15:07:34 <jorendc> :p
15:09:32 <ertai_NL> markit: what bug-nummer?
15:09:50 <markit> ertai_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58815
15:09:54 <IZBot> bug 58815: LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/highest NEW [CRASH] new document, add slide/page, close without saving crashes Impress, Draw
15:10:24 <markit> jorendc: btw, the program is (sadly) called Drawing, not Draw ;P
15:10:52 <markit> ops, not my mistake
15:10:53 <jorendc> Damn xD
15:11:03 <markit> mmm wondering why I did that mistake
15:11:10 <ertai_NL> markit: it is draw
15:11:10 <jorendc> No I did :)
15:11:24 <markit> ah, the initial screen asks about Drawing
15:11:34 <jorendc> but indeed, I checked it, not an error :)
15:11:57 <ertai_NL> markit: indeed.. the GUI calls it drawing.. codewise it is draw
15:12:11 * ertai_NL would say draw nog drawing
15:14:02 <jorendc> lol, I just build LO in 1houre 34 minutes :p ... with symbols enabled (= build of 21.1GB)
15:14:12 <jorendc> jmadero did it on 5 houres
15:15:53 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you're familiar with bisect?
15:20:11 <markit> I've receinved a phene call, now I'm back and can't remember what of the 5 tasks I was doing has been interrupted in that moment, and what to do next, lol
15:21:46 <jorendc> haha :)
15:21:54 <jorendc> just pick one when blind folded
15:21:55 <jorendc> ;-)
15:22:27 <jorendc> but I'm going to study a bit further
15:22:51 <jorendc> I'll be back later this day
15:22:53 <jorendc> bye
15:53:20 <ertai_NL> markit: here it doesn
15:53:25 <ertai_NL> 't crash
15:59:20 <ertai_NL> ah.. now I do
16:02:45 <markit> :)
17:05:40 <jorendc> hi markit :)
17:05:41 <jorendc> back
18:19:49 <jorendc> moggi: a bug that I can reproduce with LO 3.6.4.3, but can't reproduce anymore using 4.1 master build I compiled today ...
18:19:55 <jorendc> setting status of bug to?
18:20:28 <jorendc> WORKSFORME? or just NEW, and wait till the final release of 4.0 and 4.1 and then recheck of it's fixed indeed?
18:21:23 <jorendc> ertai_NL?
18:24:38 <moggi> jorendc: well it depends very much how serious the bug is, if it is highly important that it should be fixed in 3-6 it has to stay open, otherwise close it with WORKSFORME and mention that it works in your version
18:24:57 <jorendc> moggi: I got a strange behavior
18:25:07 <jorendc> it's not that highly important bug
18:25:28 <jorendc> but when I try to bibisect it, I can't reproduce it with the 'latest' version I can checkout with bibisect
18:25:41 <jorendc> I CAN (I'm sorry)
18:26:08 <jorendc> but i CAN'T reproduce it with my own build (ENABLE_SYMBOLS=true)
18:32:37 <jorendc> moggi: fdo#54890
18:32:40 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Applying frame style changes width value https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54890
18:40:37 <moggi> enable-symbols will not change any behavior so it is most likely already fixed
18:41:13 <moggi> the last bibisect entry should be some weeks old so it might just be fixed in the mean time
18:41:15 <jorendc> ok
18:41:47 <jorendc> Ok, so set bug to WORKSFORME and a comment that ... if not fixed in release of 4.1 -> REOPEN it?
18:43:25 <jorendc> moggi: can I update bibisect?
18:43:35 <jorendc> or do I need to download the whole file again?
18:44:08 <moggi> jorendc: bibisect is only generated from time to time by Sweetshark
18:44:27 <jorendc> ok, thanks
18:46:05 <moggi> jorendc: in theory it would be possible to add own builds to it but I have no idea how it is done normally
18:46:23 <jorendc> ok, thanks moggi :)
18:51:38 <jorendc> markit
18:52:08 <markit> back
18:52:21 <markit> jorendc: dinner is ready in some minutes time, reading the log
18:52:21 <jorendc> hi :)
18:52:40 <jorendc> no problem markit: enjoy your meal
18:53:11 <jorendc> I just asked if it is possible to update bibisect
18:53:23 <jorendc> but we need to download it again, when a new version is released
18:53:23 <markit> and the answer was...?
18:53:28 <markit> urgh
18:53:36 <markit> see you later
18:53:41 <jorendc> enjoy your meal
18:53:43 <jorendc> bye!
20:24:29 <markit> jorendc: I'm depressed... the project should have 4x the developers, stop for a year to implement some different "core" features, reduce drastically the bugs, and polish the code
20:24:52 <jorendc> markit: I agree :)
20:25:05 <markit> I've the feeling that we are trying to empty the ocean with a bucket
20:31:24 <jorendc> I share that feeling
20:31:32 <jorendc> especially when triaging bugs...
20:31:42 <jorendc> markit:  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Stats
20:31:48 <markit> let me see
20:31:56 <jorendc> we did a great job the past month
20:32:13 <jorendc> -116 bugs compared to December 7
20:32:38 <jorendc> but still 979 to go .. (these bugs are older then 30 days and still unconfirmed)
20:33:02 <markit> well, numbers are numbers.-.. not always meanighful
20:33:23 <markit> i.e. many maybe are duplicated, I did not checked for duplicated while tried to confirm
20:33:34 <markit> that could be a duplication of efforts
20:33:49 <markit> in any case, if you read joel spolsky blog and old articles
20:33:54 <markit> not all bugs are the same
20:34:14 <markit> so when fixing you should be able to focus on the most importan ones
20:34:31 <markit> time ago were considered crashes or data loose only
20:34:50 <markit> while also minor ones that affect daily almost all users are important
20:35:03 <markit> if a program irritates me, I tend to avoid and not suggest others to use
20:36:54 <markit> I want to push Free software, but I'm too often embarassed when friends or people I installed LiBo compare it with M$
20:37:02 <jorendc> indeed, they are just numbers
20:37:07 <markit> with "simple" tasks that can't be done with LiBo, or are really harder
20:37:08 <jorendc> I didn't read joel spolsky's blog
20:37:11 <jorendc> do you have a link?
20:37:31 <markit> main link is http://www.joelonsoftware.com/
20:37:44 <markit> but there are essays that really worth reading, let me check
20:38:00 <markit> also a "must read" is "the inmates are running the asylum" by Alan Cooper
20:38:13 <markit> a reading should be IMPOSED to all the developers :)
20:38:49 <jorendc> :)
20:38:52 * jorendc opening ur
20:38:56 <markit> mmm in joel site now are linked on the right side, divided by topic
20:38:59 * jorendc opening URL
20:40:55 <jorendc> you mean this article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000029.html ?
20:41:01 <markit> probably the article was this http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/SetYourPriorities.html
20:41:09 <markit> let me see if your link is the same of mine
20:41:37 <markit> oh, maybe yours is even better, lol
20:41:45 <markit> I read them long time ago, I've forgot a lot
20:43:49 <markit> maybe libo page about bugs should link that article, lol
20:56:56 <markit> btw, I've found that beta2 solves this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58640
20:56:59 <IZBot> bug 58640: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Extra dot when exporting Table of Contents as PDF (regression)
20:57:24 <markit> do I have to mark as "resolved" or tell that is resolved for me but set to "needinfo" to have confirmation by the submitter?
20:57:38 <markit> Joel would say the latter...
20:58:57 <jorendc> markit: mmh, good question. I'm challenging that question also every time :)
20:59:29 <markit> well, also a previous bug from that guy has been fixed by beta2 an he agreed
20:59:32 <jorendc> If you're 100% that it's fixed in b2 -> resolved -> fixed
20:59:34 <markit> so I will take the risk of closing it
21:00:18 <markit> jorendc: are you using this list too? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&product=LibreOffice&list_id=190427
21:00:20 <jorendc> yes, I dos o
21:00:28 <jorendc> yes sometimes
21:00:37 <jorendc> Yes* I do so closing it
21:00:46 <markit> mmm maybe that url shuld include beta2
21:00:56 <jorendc> and I put a comment in it : if this bug isn't fixed on the release of version 4.0, please reopen
21:03:09 <jorendc> But now I'm working with this URL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&chfieldto=-31D&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0&list_id=196805
21:03:23 <jorendc> I'm commenting old bugs, to try retesting in the current versions
21:03:48 <jorendc> (most of the versions are 3.4 or 3.5 ... so, they can retest it with 3.6, and put the status to NEEDINFO
21:03:57 <jorendc> (after I tryied to test it by myself)
21:05:36 <markit> I'm here instead
21:05:37 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57646
21:05:40 <IZBot> bug 57646: LibreOffice-framework normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Autocorrect exceptions are not added
21:05:46 <markit> did not know about the autocorrect feature
21:06:01 <markit> I've found is indeed present, but seems not to work even in 3.6
21:06:13 <markit> if you have time, I would love to have your opinion
21:06:35 <markit> because maybe I'm doing something wrong, enve if I've checked the libo help and the right options are flagged
21:06:47 <markit> maybe is a duplicate
21:07:55 <jorendc> ok; can you look meanwhile if this is a duplicate?
21:08:21 <jorendc> I'll test it immediately
21:14:08 <markit> I've searched briefly and there are not other bugs with "Autocorrect exception" words
21:14:31 <markit> maybe you can bibisect if we can find a version where it ever worked
21:15:01 <markit> jorendc: btw, to undo the autocorrect I press ^z
21:15:23 <jorendc> markit: phone -> girlfriend, brb
21:15:33 * markit blushes
21:26:10 <jorendc> markit: back
21:26:49 <jorendc> I can confirm that the word isn't added to exceptions when undo
21:27:30 <jorendc> I'll check with bibisect or I can reproduce it with the latest version
21:34:23 <jorendc> markit: oldest bibisectable version of LO is 3.5.0 ... and can't even autocorrect correctly
21:35:02 <jorendc> I checked the options ... Both options checked before 'Correct TWo INitial CApitals' ...
21:35:17 <jorendc> and when I type some words with 2 capitals... It don't autocorrect
21:35:27 <jorendc> so, I can't test it on bibisect
21:35:45 <markit> mmm let me understand
21:35:56 <markit> "It doesn't autocorrect"?
21:36:18 <jorendc> yes, when I type a word with 2 capitals: 'BBqwerty' or so
21:36:46 <markit> you type "THis", 3.5 autocorrects, you press ^z, and is set to "This", then you type "THis" and...?
21:36:52 <jorendc> and hit space bar ... It doesn't autocorrect ... so BBqwerty stays BBqwerty ... not changed/corrected to Bbwerty
21:37:04 <markit> so it works there
21:37:08 <jorendc> no, I type 'THis' -> no auto correct
21:37:14 <markit> ah, lol
21:37:27 <markit> but it works in 4.0
21:37:33 <jorendc> I'll try on my macosx ... I've got 3.5.7 installed
21:37:49 <markit> the problem raised is that it does not "automatically learn"
21:38:29 <markit> so maybe autocorrection was broken, they fixed but not the "autolearn"
21:38:34 <markit> that did never worked
21:38:54 <markit> mmm I remember a rant this afternoon in the #libreoffice channel
21:39:10 <jorendc> Indeed, autocorrect is also broken in 3.5.7
21:39:24 <jorendc> ... so in the 3.5 branch it's completely broken
21:39:47 <markit> one asked "also, who was that idiot who tagged beta2 knowing about a broken spellchecker across ALL platforms"
21:40:18 <markit> wonering what he mant and how many bug issues are related with a single wrong commit
21:40:21 <markit> wondering
21:40:57 <jorendc> Mmh, I don't understand that 'question'
21:42:14 <jorendc> mmh, I reveiled something
21:42:38 <jorendc> autocorrect works well, when the word isn't written well
21:42:59 <jorendc> so when I type 'THis' (a known word in the dictionary) -> no autocorrect
21:43:23 <jorendc> when I type 'THisaopzi' (a unknown word in the dictionary) -> autocorrect
21:45:26 <jorendc> that's what I tried with 3.6
21:45:38 <jorendc> When I try to reproduce it using 4.1 master -> It works well
21:46:16 <jorendc> but 3.6 isn't "autolearning too'
21:54:30 <jorendc> markit: you're a great bug triager and have great insigths :)
21:54:49 <jorendc> I appreciate your work
21:55:00 <markit> lol
21:55:16 <markit> "great" seems a bit too much ;P
21:55:45 <markit> so 4.1 has autolearn working? good
21:55:54 <jorendc> no
21:55:57 <markit> now I know I will skip 4.0 installation ;P
21:55:59 <markit> ah :(
21:56:12 <jorendc> not autolearn working; but more working :)
21:56:25 <jorendc> when you type a word like 'THis' I'll autocorrect
21:56:31 <markit> I see
21:56:35 <markit> if known or not
21:56:38 <jorendc> in 3.6 It'll only autocorrect when the word isn't in the dictionary
21:56:47 <markit> to be sincere, should be the contrary
21:57:04 <markit> I mean, if I type "THis" and you know "This" is ok, autocorrect
21:57:19 <markit> if I type USxxy, that is a misterious product
21:57:26 <markit> you should trust me and don't
21:57:59 <markit> maybe they just reverted an condition in the code, lol
21:58:52 <jorendc> indeed :-)
22:21:37 <jorendc> markit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51401 isn't this 'ctrl+z' and 'ctrl+shift+z'?
22:21:43 <IZBot> bug 51401: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Buttons in Navigation toolbar cannot be assigned a hotkey (keyboard shortcut)
22:22:09 <markit> let me check
22:23:36 <markit> don't think so, Ctrl+z is Undo
22:23:44 <markit> and with shift, is redo
22:23:53 <markit> he is talking about navigation
22:23:57 <markit> go there and then come back
22:24:05 <markit> not undo, that would undo the last editing
22:24:08 <markit> not the last movement
22:24:16 <jorendc> yes, but when I clicks on a hyperlink ...
22:24:25 <jorendc> this will open the browser
22:24:33 <jorendc> isn't that an OS hotkey or so
22:24:40 <jorendc> (cntr+w) or so?
22:24:46 <jorendc> ctrl+w i mean
22:24:52 <jorendc> or ctrl+q
22:29:27 <markit> back, let me read
22:30:00 <markit> I've no idea, I usually use Ctrl + click
22:30:22 <markit> but I think he means not an HTML link
22:30:31 <markit> but a link from inside the document
22:30:37 <markit> like from the table of context
22:30:56 <markit> jorendc: he means the navigation INSIDE the document
22:32:05 <markit> btw, in #libreoffice there is a user that complains because can't print the desired page
22:32:24 <markit> that proves that printing in calc is not easy while should be
22:32:34 <markit> does not follow the "user's expectation behaviour"
22:33:21 <jorendc> oh ok; I understand
22:33:24 <jorendc> what bug markit ?
22:33:32 <markit> no bug, just a rant :)
22:34:12 <markit> mmm my list has still 55 bugs unconfirmed
22:34:31 <markit> I've found one that can't confirm except than from a coder
22:35:12 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58865
22:35:15 <IZBot> bug 58865: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Hardcoded product name in UI string
22:37:50 <markit> I've asked in the -dev channel, but probably they hare hard coding our confirmed bugs or sleepy
22:38:03 <jorendc> I think he's trying to say: STR_QUERY_FORMULA_RECALC_ONLOAD_ODS
22:38:09 <jorendc> there is FORMULA and CALC in it
22:38:19 <jorendc> ...that' are 2 product names of LO
22:38:23 <jorendc> FORMULA -> formula editor
22:38:29 <jorendc> CALC -> spreadsheet ...
22:38:38 <markit> I don't think so
22:38:47 <markit> RECALC =  RECalculate
22:39:09 <moggi> this one is quite tricky
22:39:14 <moggi> please just leave it
22:39:39 <jorendc> :D My head is exploding
22:39:45 <markit> btw, I know him in my former OpenOffice experience, and would like NOT to post to him personally
22:39:47 <moggi> it is more a technical problem and it is not that I fully agree nor disagree with the bug report
22:39:48 <jorendc> I don't get it ; let a dever have a look at it :p
22:40:09 <markit> moggi: are you a developer?
22:41:03 <jorendc> yes, he's a core dever
22:41:04 <jorendc> :)
22:41:07 <moggi> markit: yeap, and even one of the two who are responsible for this string and the decision to bind the functionality to the Libreoffice product string
22:41:31 <markit> woww :)
22:42:02 <markit> hope you will read my rants in this channel times to time ;P
22:42:45 <markit> btw, time to go to sleep
22:42:55 <markit> I'll have a look at more bugs tomorrow
22:43:00 <markit> jorendc: good night!
00:48:23 <jmadero> jorendc: not sure if you saw but I got my blog up
01:02:36 <jorendc> jmadero: hi :D
01:02:42 <jorendc> sorry for late reaction
01:02:45 <jorendc> yes I saw it
01:02:55 <jorendc> It was great :D!
01:03:35 <jmadero> haha it was pretty boring ;) but it did the job of telling about stats
01:05:50 <jorendc> no it wasn't
01:05:56 <jorendc> it was very informative
01:06:03 <jorendc> :) as it should be ...
01:06:06 <jorendc> and *
01:06:08 <jorendc> so, great job
01:06:11 <jmadero> thanks
01:06:16 <jorendc> I add it to my rss tracker D
01:06:17 <jorendc> :D
01:06:29 <jmadero> nice, I'm going to talk to the board about what rules there are about m yposts
01:06:33 <jorendc> so when you now publish another article, I'll be the first one to read ;-)
01:06:35 <jmadero> I'm pretty political, training to be an attorney
01:06:49 <jmadero> so I want to do some more.....politically sensitive posts
01:07:07 <jorendc> wow :) nice
01:35:03 <jorendc> jmadero: I went through the list of bugs where the QA_stats is based on
01:36:34 <jorendc> some bugs are quite old, and maybe not relevant anymore
01:36:44 <jorendc> what's the correct method for this bugs?
01:37:24 <jorendc> set status to 'NEEDINFO' and ask them they still  can reproduce?
01:38:02 <jorendc> some bugs are to old to test with the right version if we can reproduce in that version (3.4 for example) ...
01:38:47 <jorendc> when trying with 3.6 and 4.0 we can't reproduce anymore ... but we are not sure it's a bug, because (I)/We can't test it with the version of the bug report
02:00:22 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to sleep now (2:52 AM over here)
02:00:43 <jorendc> Good night, and a early happy New Year!
02:01:03 <jorendc> all the best wishes for 2013!
11:28:31 <jorendc> Hi ertai_NL, nice kalendar improvements!
11:43:18 <ertai_NL> thnx
11:43:46 <jorendc> how it's going with BSA? ertai_NL
11:52:53 <ertai_NL> haven't done anything to it the last few days
11:58:58 <jorendc> oh ok :)
11:59:02 <jorendc> another project now :)?
12:06:01 <ertai_NL> yes.. improving an extension
12:06:10 <ertai_NL> MultiFormatSave
12:11:38 <jorendc> nice
12:12:12 <jorendc> ertai_NL: why not implement it directly in LO?
12:12:24 <jorendc> that would be awesome
12:12:52 <jorendc> or first script it in an extension, and if it's very stable then implement it?
12:14:45 <jorendc> Available downloads There are no available software files in this release yet.
12:14:48 <jorendc> damn :(
12:19:03 <ertai_NL> jorendc: you are trying to download my extension?
12:19:13 <jorendc> yes ertai_NL
12:19:17 <ertai_NL> there is a release in there from the 23th
12:19:49 <ertai_NL> when you go to the left and click on releases there is a release
12:20:05 <jorendc> now I can download it; but when I click on 'More about this release…' I can't download it
12:20:24 <jorendc> mh ertai_NL ... Still I can't
12:20:50 <jorendc> I thought it would... but still  Available downloads There are no available software files in this release yet.
12:20:56 <jorendc> http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/multisave-1/releases/1.3.2
12:23:03 <ertai_NL> moment
12:28:18 <ertai_NL> jorendc: now there i
12:28:19 <ertai_NL> +s
12:28:39 <jorendc> ertai_NL: indeed! thanks
12:50:40 <jorendc> wolcome markit :)
12:50:52 <markit> hi jorendc :)
12:50:53 <jorendc> welcome*
12:51:06 <markit> np, I've got neverless
12:52:04 <jorendc> ;-)
13:21:41 <jorendc> markit: you have a 4.1 master version of LO installed?
13:21:59 <markit> no, I've too few ram and hd space to compile LiBo
13:22:23 <markit> I could try on my children's PC, if necessary and easy to do
13:22:23 <jorendc> markit: download it with http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ ?
13:22:48 <markit> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/Linux-x86_64_11-Release-Configuration/
13:22:50 <markit> empty
13:22:59 <jorendc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIqOOajdYQ it is easy
13:23:02 <IZBot> YouTube - LibreOffice Build Demo (tty recording for apt/deb based systems) by: clophYT - 05:26
13:23:05 <jorendc> mmh shuck :)
13:24:07 <markit> jorendc: did you surrender for 4.0 and trying to help 4.1 directly? ;P
13:24:18 <jorendc> because of the following: when I 'file -> print ...' the print file is sended imediattely to my printer
13:24:22 <jorendc> no configuration window
13:24:39 <markit> in 4.0?
13:24:45 <jorendc> in LO 4.0b1 everything fine 'file -> print ...' -> 'configuration window to set print settings ->'
13:25:16 <jorendc> no in 4.1 the print task is sended immediately to the printer
13:25:25 <markit> that sucks
13:25:35 <markit> probably another "if" commented out ;P
13:25:45 <jorendc> in 4.0 I first get a 'print configuration'
13:26:00 <jorendc> indeed; I'll try to reproduce on ubuntu
13:26:08 <markit> well, there is the "print" button that prints directly
13:26:14 <jorendc> and bisect if possible
13:26:21 <markit> are you sure they did not added 2 options in the File menu as well?
13:26:26 <jorendc> I know :)
13:26:40 <markit> also don't know if 4.1 is good for bug hunting
13:26:50 <markit> I mean, probably it's in a "liquid" state
13:26:58 <jorendc> sure it is :-)
13:27:01 <markit> the devs are adding / removing / modifying features
13:27:14 <markit> so maybe tomorrow the dev will put it right
13:27:15 <jorendc> the faster we test it, the recenter the bug is entered and the programmer know what he did
13:27:21 <jorendc> that's true
13:27:32 <markit> I don't know what are their rules
13:27:38 <markit> if "commit only when perfect"
13:27:43 <markit> or commit often as possible
13:27:51 <jorendc> commit only when perfect
13:27:55 <markit> Joel would prefer the former, I guess, lol
13:28:10 <jorendc> because on gerrit your commit will be reviewed first
13:28:13 <jorendc> and then implemented
13:28:24 * markit remembers himself to donate 50 euros to The Document Foundation
13:28:35 <markit> we need more full time devs
13:28:45 <markit> LiBo is not a toy
13:28:58 * jorendc also donated a bit of his lunch money to TDF
13:29:05 <markit> wondering if Calligra will catch up faster and better
13:29:30 <markit> using the wonderful Qt and a fresh(er) code base, also Java free ;P
13:29:39 <jorendc> calligra? You'll step to another software :p?
13:29:51 <markit> I'm a kde addicted
13:30:08 <markit> and so you should... free yourself from iChains ;P
13:30:22 <markit> well, keep it only for LiBo tests, of course
13:31:23 <jorendc> I didn't buy it because it's an Apple product
13:31:30 <jorendc> I buyed it because of the OS :)
13:31:51 <jorendc> and in the mean time I'm playing with Ubuntu
13:32:14 <jorendc> so, maybe my next computer will be a standard computer formatted and installed ubuntu
13:33:43 <jorendc> but the problem is... I'm not that familiar with Terminal right no
13:33:45 <jorendc> now*
13:34:09 <jorendc> I know some basic commands... but when I need to solve a problem ... I can't (if I can't find it on internet)
13:36:48 <jorendc> oh, there is already a bug fdo#58779
13:36:53 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Printing and PDF export major/medium NEW "Ctrl+P". print dialog not shown. prints file directly https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58779
13:58:26 * jorendc downloading 7 different LO versions of 4.1 to narrow down time when bug was added
14:08:05 <jorendc> markit: bug is entered between December 20_00:42:24 and December 21_00:15:27 in LO 4.1
14:08:21 <jorendc> that's 10 days ago ...
14:09:00 <jorendc> in 10 days, the developer doesn't remark he entered a bug (or at least didn't fixed it in 10 days yet)
14:09:15 <markit> back reading
14:11:06 <markit> you don't need a terminal to run GNU/Linux, and in any case, you'd better learn shell commands and how a computer works, iThings OS involve uses into stupid beings
14:11:16 <markit> jorendc: maybe the dev is on holiday
14:11:36 <markit> jorendc: that's the sort of but you would take less time in fix than in report
14:11:45 <jorendc> that's possible; but the reviewer didn't saw the bug also :)
14:12:12 <jorendc> if a bug is entered -> fix it right away... or revert changes and add it when no error
14:12:26 <markit> I agree
14:13:00 <markit> I think that we are in a situation where things can become better and better, or worse and worse
14:13:19 <jorendc> indeed; and especially in the master versions
14:13:24 <markit> I mean, if you have few bugs, and fix soon, and care about users, then users are willing to test beta and report and follow the bug
14:13:45 <jorendc> there is the ACTUAL development (commits of couple days/houres ago)
14:13:48 <markit> it you have tons of bugs, can't have a look at those, fix the less common and annoying ones
14:14:07 <markit> users are frustrated and don't help, devs are frustrated as well and don't work well
14:14:42 <markit> jorendc: if you enter the #libreoffice-dev there is a bot that shows commit messages in real time
14:14:49 <jorendc> agree
14:15:32 <jorendc> but I wouldn't speak bad about devers; they have plenty of work done; more than 50% of them volunatery
14:15:49 <jorendc> voluntary*
14:15:55 <ertai_NL> markit: the problem is that there are more bugs then delopertime
14:16:02 <jorendc> indeed ertai_NL
14:16:16 <jorendc> I'll be much better when there are more Master testers
14:16:31 <markit> ertai_NL: yep, but I'm struggling in finding a way to make the most of what we have
14:16:45 <jorendc> so when there slips a bug between the reviewers eye, and he commit the bug ... -> master testers would see that
14:17:04 <markit> reduce friction as  much as possible, and focus resources on the best direction
14:17:12 <jorendc> if mastertesters see bug -> report it -> core dev fix it or revert changes -> a better product
14:17:40 <jorendc> a better product -> more happy users and less bugs -> bugs that are added are more valuable
14:18:03 <markit> for instance, if you don't fix a bug soon, there will be tons of duplicate, so a waste of time in cheching it, discuss them, etc
14:18:25 <jorendc> indeed; I just downloaded and installed 7 different versions of LO ...
14:18:29 <markit> so you need 10 people to look at bugs already fixed, while you would need 6 to fix them in reasonable time
14:18:37 <markit> (just an example of what I mean)
14:18:39 <jorendc> I spend 45 minutes on searching it
14:18:51 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes.. but if something introduces a bug but solves another bug.. what do you do?
14:18:56 <jorendc> when I saw it earlyier ... I only had to test 2 versions or so
14:19:02 <markit> jorendc: me too, I spent hours in triage these days, and just confirmed 5-6 bugs
14:19:25 <jorendc> good question ertai_NL
14:19:53 <ertai_NL> markit: for all bugs counts.. search first if it is a duplicate..
14:20:08 <jorendc> but when you fix another problem and by fixing this bug ... entering a new bug ... OR it's not a good fix ... OR you need to develop a bit more before pushing it
14:20:12 <markit> ertai_NL: do we have an extensive automated tests for instance? and is it possible or not (I've programmed a bit in Ruby on Rails, they insist a lot about tests)
14:21:04 <markit> jorendc: I've simple scripts to help install ltsp, yesterday I discovered 2 bugs intruduced when I "improved" them some days ago... I agree is not easy
14:21:09 <jorendc> markit: ertai_NL: we are bussy testing a script to check for a crash or not
14:21:12 <ertai_NL> markit: there are people working on that. There are a lot already.. but the software can do so much so it still needs a lot of work
14:22:04 <jorendc> summary of this debate :) : to less bug tresters, to less developers
14:22:16 <markit> ertai_NL: I mean, investing resources in automated tests can help a lot in needing less in fix , bug reports and confirmations, etc.
14:22:18 <ertai_NL> markit: if you build LO and run then a make test you run a lot of tests.. always good to do.. I do them sometimes
14:22:33 <ertai_NL> and every build a set of random tests are also run
14:22:39 <markit> ertai_NL: maybe are so slow that few devs run them?
14:23:14 <markit> or can them be "centralized" so after i.e. 20 commits the server runs them and emails the result to last 20 committers?
14:23:34 <ertai_NL> markit: have you heard of thinderboxes?
14:23:45 <markit> I think about a 8 core server with some SSD that can compile and test in a "snap"
14:23:53 <markit> no, sorry
14:24:39 <ertai_NL> markit: there are some 20 boxes or so 24/7 busy with building LO and running make test
14:24:43 <markit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox
14:25:32 <ertai_NL> markit: yes those
14:25:38 <markit> but to have this stuff work, you (dev) should build the test and the code to be tested
14:26:17 <ertai_NL> markit: they do that automaticly
14:26:38 <markit> ertai_NL: devs do create tests as well? good
14:26:45 * moggi is leaving the channel until this ranting about developers stops here
14:26:51 <markit> well, in any case my rants are of course not against devs but because I'm frustrated
14:27:15 <markit> mmm so bad moggi leaved, that's another sigh of things being bad
14:27:42 * markit is leaving this channel until things will not improve
14:27:52 <markit> very childish
14:28:18 * ertai_NL doesn't know what to say.. everybody is doing his/her best
14:28:27 <jorendc> kind of; but it isn't fair
14:28:59 <markit> ertai_NL: well, that does not mean that is "the" best and no improvements can be done
14:29:04 <jorendc> moggi and other devs are making late hours to fix bugs
14:29:16 <markit> moggi is like "I'm doing my best, don't dare ask about other options"
14:29:32 <markit> jorendc: was I saying they don't do their best? all the contrary
14:29:43 <jorendc> no indeed, you're not
14:29:54 <markit> I want to put them in a better position to have the most effect with what they do
14:30:32 <markit> if you dig with your hands and I tell you "maybe you should stop and buy a shovel"
14:30:41 <markit> you can't tell me "shout up, I'm doing my best"
14:31:03 <markit> that irritates voluntears a lot, or at least me
14:31:22 <jorendc> that's a nice example
14:31:27 <markit> :)
14:32:57 <jorendc> copy paste the log, and send it to moggi? To prove you're not ranting about devs, but you would like to improve the proces :)
14:33:24 <jorendc> I think he's quite upset :|
14:33:29 <markit> don't think will help
14:33:46 <markit> and personally don't care
14:34:27 <markit> if he did not understood the first time, means the problem is his
14:34:33 <markit> and we can't fix
14:35:09 <markit> just surrender to the "we will work silently and never try to brainstorm about improvements, sure you are doning the perfect way"
14:35:26 <jorendc> that's true
14:35:28 <markit> maybe a reading of Joel's articles could improve
14:35:46 <jorendc> but, maybe we need can point this at the next QA-meeting?
14:35:54 <markit> I've read some books of Goldratt, like "The Goal"
14:36:13 <markit> or "it's not luck"
14:36:29 <markit> desperate situation -> solved with the same resources but much better organized
14:36:55 <markit> of course is not easy, but if you never think you could improve you will never do
14:37:24 <markit> let's face it, with a thousand bugs in the bug tracker, we are not going to improve much
14:37:38 <markit> don't think that Santa will bring us 100 more devs
14:37:43 <jorendc> we can stop make 'NEW' features; but first make all features work ...
14:37:56 <jorendc> but that'll upset users ... because users expect new features
14:38:09 <markit> jorendc: my experience is not that
14:38:12 <jorendc> but new features -> new bugs
14:38:19 <markit> libo has already lots of features
14:38:29 <jorendc> no features at all -> some users will be upset
14:38:33 <markit> but users are upset because many are broken, or don't work "as expected"
14:38:39 <markit> or are hard to use, harder than M$
14:38:56 <markit> we have to surrender to the fact that they come from M$ and compare directly
14:39:14 <jorendc> or aren't a feature of Libo ... as you said 2 days ago: a search function the search in thousands of documents
14:39:20 <markit> many times I need to do my work, but I strouggle because
14:39:32 <markit> I just need to do something that should work and does not
14:40:13 <markit> jorendc: I think we should add business features and make it easier to use, like mail merge that is a nightmare
14:40:25 <markit> and fix current ones
14:40:37 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=enhancement&list_id=197118&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0
14:40:38 <markit> libo must be rock solid
14:40:48 <jorendc> 1593 enhancement features :-)
14:41:00 <jorendc> I think that list isn't shrinking
14:41:07 <markit> jorendc: read Alan Cooper books
14:41:23 <markit> is not the amount of features that makes a program an eccellent one
14:41:45 <markit> but the ability to meet user's GOALS, not to be rude with user, not ask unuseful questions, and so on
14:42:02 <markit> jorendc: if you like Mac software is probably because of this
14:42:10 <jorendc> what do you mean with 'rude with users'?
14:42:11 <markit> not the mere count of features
14:42:19 <jorendc> I'm an user ... and they aren't rude to me at all
14:42:30 <markit> message box like "error, you must close the window first"
14:42:48 <markit> jorendc: you are so used to be "abused" that you consider normal
14:43:07 <markit> while programs are always telling you how wrong you behave
14:43:17 <markit> instead of trying it's best to do the work
14:43:41 <markit> and also have to be clever
14:43:50 <markit> do you remember when if you had a 100 sheets calc file
14:44:01 <markit> and you were on sheet 40, and pressed "print"
14:44:08 <markit> it printed all the 100 sheets?
14:44:20 <markit> how can it be the default behaviour and not upset users?
14:44:21 * jorendc doesn't work that much with calc
14:44:56 <jorendc> mmh
14:45:03 <markit> another simple example
14:45:10 * jorendc is thinking to buy a C++ book and start scripting on my own :D
14:45:10 <markit> you open a .doc with writer
14:45:31 <markit> then you save and it asks an obscure question about if keep .doc and risk of loosing formats or save in odt
14:45:43 <jorendc> I mean ... somebody needs to pick that features op ... and because this is opensource... 'every volunteer is free to choose a feature/bug to work on'
14:46:02 <markit> jorendc: no, bazar devs don't work well with such projects
14:46:09 <markit> think about an house
14:46:13 <markit> instead of an architect
14:46:23 <markit> you have all your family members adding what they like
14:46:29 <markit> what will be the final result?
14:46:35 <jorendc> markit: why's that dialog bad? ... It's true that LO can't handle other extensions than .ODF
14:46:45 <jorendc> and for business critical files... it's a valuable warning
14:47:08 <markit> what is the user's reaction?
14:47:27 <jorendc> we can delete that dialog with 100% garantee when there is no export bug to handle anymore
14:47:30 <markit> if you know what is it about, you are already aware, so you could have decided "save as"
14:47:35 <markit> if you are not, is just scaring
14:47:36 <jorendc> that LO 'sucks' :)
14:47:49 <jorendc> yeah, that's true
14:47:50 <markit> jorendc: read Cooper's books please
14:47:55 <jorendc> I'll
14:48:01 <jorendc> I write the author down on a paper :D
14:48:07 <jorendc> thanks for the hint btw
14:48:35 <jorendc> I hope I can understand the book (I'm not THAT good in English I think, to read and comprehend English books)
14:48:55 <jorendc> you have a good title of a Cooper-book?
14:49:19 <markit> the easiest is "the inmantes are running the asylum"
14:49:50 <markit> there is also "about face 3", I read the 1 and was great, but I think the Inmates is enough
14:50:05 <markit> it changes COMPLETELY your vision about sw
14:50:13 <markit> it wakes up you
14:50:42 <jorendc> thanks ;-) markit
14:51:44 <markit> mmm 43 minutes of discussion
14:51:54 <markit> we could have confirmed 1/5 of a issue instead, lol
14:51:58 <jorendc> markit: you know where to buy?
14:52:06 <markit> amazon for sure
14:52:26 <jorendc> haha :D markit no need for that... If we don't discuss like this ... there will surely never be an improvement ...
14:52:56 <jorendc> No, we don't discuss ... I'll triage bugs instead; discuss is a waste of time
14:53:05 <jorendc> that's another big failure to improve processes
14:53:24 <markit> http://www.amazon.com/Inmates-Are-Running-Asylum-Products/dp/0672326140
14:56:42 <markit> jorendc: btw, if I find a 3.5 bug that is solved in 4.x, may I mark as "solved"?
14:56:44 <jorendc> thanks
14:57:00 <jorendc> which bug?
14:57:23 <markit> was just sorting your list in ID order
14:57:30 <markit> some are so old that probably have been fixed
14:58:13 <markit> ups, I see in your list there is also fixed ones
14:58:18 <markit> in any case, was a general question
14:58:43 <jorendc> you can mark it as solved -> worksforme
14:59:06 <jorendc> and comment: 'If this bug isn't fixed by the release of 4.0, please reopen' or something like that
16:24:36 <ertai_NL> jorendc: do you want to add yourself to the QA-memberlist? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Team#QA_Team_volunteers_in_alphabetic_order
16:25:06 <jorendc> I will :)
16:25:33 <jorendc> but I still can't subscribe to QA mailinglist :(
16:26:15 <jorendc> rainer bielefeld told me I was 'unbanned' ...
16:26:28 <ertai_NL> but that didn't work?
16:26:30 <jorendc> but I'm still banned :| ... and I don't know why I'm banned :s
16:26:55 <ertai_NL> I had that problem also.. it's very annoying.
16:27:05 <ertai_NL> Have you let rainer know again?
16:27:25 <jorendc> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list owners at libreoffice-qa-owner@lists.freedesktop.org.
16:27:29 <jorendc> nop ... still banned :|
16:27:38 <jorendc> yeps
16:27:41 <jorendc> but no answer yet
16:30:12 <ertai_NL> normally I would suggest mailing Thorsten but he is on holiday so he won't answer this week
16:53:33 <jorendc> hi jmadero :)
16:56:55 <markit> hi jmadero, welcome back
16:57:51 <jorendc> hi markit you too :) welcome back
16:58:18 <jmadero> jorendc markit: hi to both of you
16:58:57 <jmadero> jorendc: to answer your question from yesterday, if a bug cannot be reproduced on a new stable version (not really on master, but latest stable), we mark as WORKSFORME and put a comment saying it works on version XXX. Then we ask them to test on a later release and if it's still a problem to reopend as UNCONFIRMED
16:59:47 <jorendc> YES \o/
16:59:55 * jorendc did the right thing \o/
17:00:13 <ertai_NL> fdo#34697
17:00:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW Print Current Page in Print dialog - Calc [Writer, Draw, Impress are finished] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34697
17:00:17 <jorendc> markit: ... question solved
17:01:09 <markit> jorendc: ok :)
17:05:14 <jmadero> do either one of you use KDE?
17:05:42 * ertai_NL doesn't
17:06:29 <jmadero> ...people with code suggestions should really just post to mailing list
17:08:35 * jorendc doesn't; mac osx and ubuntu 12.10
17:08:45 <markit> jmadero: I do
17:08:57 <jmadero> markit: sweet, can you take a look at this one when you get a chance, I can't reproduce on E17
17:09:06 <markit> shot
17:09:30 <jmadero> fdo#52194
17:09:34 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Failure to launch if already open https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52194
17:09:55 <markit> jmadero: probably yes, is something bugs me since long time
17:10:04 <markit> now I have a look, but just reading the title...
17:11:20 <jmadero> it should just focus to the open window (your virtual desktop should change)
17:11:26 <jmadero> at least that's how E17 works
17:11:51 <markit> in kde if you click on a document that is already open the "running" mouse cursor starts
17:11:57 <markit> and you wait in vain until it timeouts
17:12:16 <jmadero> that's still a problem?
17:12:30 <jmadero> can you confirm that bug as NEW then and add a comment, it's probably a NORMAL - HIGH bug
17:12:36 <jmadero> actually maybe even major
17:12:59 <markit> is there since long long time
17:13:14 <markit> really hope will be fixed :)
17:13:34 <jmadero> that seems quite annoying ;)
17:13:42 <jmadero> I'd mark as MAJOR - HIGH
17:13:47 <markit> indeed, thanks
17:13:54 <jmadero> MAJOR because it's causing a timeout
17:14:02 <jmadero> on one of the two major linux de
17:15:08 <markit> yep, and we europeans like it a lot ;P
17:15:36 <markit> oh, I see the bug reported against 3.4.5, correct, I thought was a 4.0 one
17:15:58 <markit> jmadero: are you going to check all the old bugs or found it by chance?
17:16:13 <markit> btw, would be strange if has no duplicate
17:16:24 <jmadero> markit: all the bugs need checked, I have the list up and am just kind of randomly picking some
17:16:42 <jmadero> markit: agreed, finding dupes is good but not mandatory, sometimes I feel like 1st we should get through UNCONFIRMED
17:16:47 <jmadero> 2nd we should check for dupes
17:17:00 <jmadero> 970 bugs over 30 days old that are still UNCONFIRMED, that isn't a thing to be proud of :)
17:17:22 <jmadero> I do mark as duplicate if I remember seeing one, I spend about 20 seconds per bug searching for dupes
17:17:29 <jmadero> otherwise it can just be a huge demand on time
17:17:54 <markit> btw, there are many KDE integration issues in LIBO, i.e. lacks kioslave integration
17:18:20 <markit> so you open a file with smb://, edit it and save... and you lost your editings
17:18:36 <markit> since it just copies the file locally in a temp dir/name, and saves your editing ONLY there
17:18:47 <markit> never touching the original
17:18:48 <jmadero> markit: I hope that is already reported
17:18:56 <jmadero> I haven't used KDE in ages
17:19:01 <jmadero> so I skip those bugs when triaging
17:19:59 <markit> btw, I remember to have  been involved in such bug at OOo times... (the one like 52194)
17:20:00 <jmadero> thought about trying to use it with Bodhi, not sure what I would experience though
17:20:07 <markit> do we have all the old OOo bugs imported?
17:20:36 <jorendc> jmadero: we are steadily lower the bug inheritance from the past :-)... we are now below 1000 ... so ... next target: 100 bugs
17:21:02 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe 750 is better target :)
17:21:23 <jmadero> with the new people (including you two) maybe we can finally get it down to 0 in 6 or so months
17:21:36 <jmadero> it would be nice to find 5 or so more triagers
17:23:06 <markit> jmadero: btw, if you click on an already open file in your E17, does it open again (like probably most prograsm would do by default), shows LiBo, or warnings that is already open?
17:23:30 <markit> i.e. if I click to a text file with KWrite, I can open as many times I want
17:23:41 <markit> and of course make big mess...
17:23:48 <markit> LiBo has a lock mechanism
17:24:13 <jmadero> markit: let me try
17:24:26 <markit> ok, so I will suggest the same behaviour
17:24:37 <jmadero> markit: no it just focuses on the already open document, which is how I think it should be
17:25:03 <markit> jmadero: and if the libo windos is minimized, does it "flash" in the task bar or opens up?
17:25:17 <jmadero> markit: I don't use task bars ;)
17:25:22 <jmadero> let me see if I minimize though
17:25:26 <markit> lol, ok, never mind :)
17:25:38 <jmadero> it unminimizes
17:25:43 <markit> thanks
17:25:51 <jmadero> I personally like that behavior more than opening it more times
17:26:07 <jmadero> because you can still open it again by running another instance of LibO and then doing file - open
17:26:13 <jmadero> no clue why you'd want that
17:26:20 <jmadero> (more than one instance open at the same time)
17:27:55 <jorendc> jmadero: same behavior in Mac OSX ... when soffice is at background -> click on menu item -> soffice to foreground
17:28:24 <jorendc> clicking on the menu icon ... and opening a new soffice :s ... I would hate that behavior
17:28:25 <jmadero> I'm just double clicking on the file in my file browser
17:28:28 <jmadero> and LibO refocuses
17:34:10 <jmadero> hm is the thesaurus grayed out for everyone?
17:34:25 <jmadero> Tools -> Language -> Thesaurus
17:35:39 <markit> oh, the bug I mentioned about kioslave: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39591
17:35:42 <IZBot> bug 39591: LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium UNCONFIRMED KDE-Integration, can not save to remote fs supported by kio
17:35:53 <markit> is unconfirmed??? let's have a look
17:36:13 <markit> jmadero: do you mean for 4.0beta2 or what?
17:36:17 <jmadero> that would most definitely be a MAJOR bug
17:36:26 <jmadero> markit: no I'm using 3.6 stable right now
17:36:45 <jorendc> I'll have a look
17:36:58 <markit> jmadero: do I have to put to major former bug or you will?
17:37:07 <markit> I mean #52194
17:37:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium NEW Failure to launch if already open https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52194
17:37:26 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes here also. But there isn't a dutch Thesaurus afaik
17:37:40 <jmadero> ertai_NL: testing with English now
17:38:00 <markit> threasurus grayed also here (Italian)
17:38:06 <jmadero> markit: did you mark that bug as minor?
17:38:10 <jmadero> 52194
17:38:14 <jmadero> that is definitely a major bug
17:38:18 <jmadero> oh nevermind
17:38:20 <markit> jmadero: no, I've found it that way
17:38:20 <jmadero> haha that's a minor bug ;)
17:38:25 <jmadero> I clicked on the wrong link
17:38:30 <jmadero> yeah minor is good
17:38:33 <jmadero> doesn't prevent high quality work
17:38:35 <markit> and don't know if I've the authority to set it to  MAJOR - HIGH
17:38:39 <markit> as you suggested
17:38:44 <markit> I mean, can I dare? :)
17:38:47 <jmadero> oh wait a second
17:38:50 <jmadero> sorry testing too many at the same time ;)
17:38:52 <jorendc> fdo#52194
17:38:53 * markit confused
17:38:55 <markit> LOL
17:38:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium NEW Failure to launch if already open https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52194
17:38:56 <jmadero> yes go ahead and mark as MAJOR
17:38:59 <jmadero> :)
17:39:04 <jmadero> and explain why
17:39:09 <jmadero> time outs are no good
17:39:20 <jmadero> probably memory issue if it's timing out (guess)
17:39:20 <jorendc> jmadero: what bugnummer for threasurus gread oud?
17:39:34 <jmadero> fdo#51483
17:39:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/medium UNCONFIRMED thesaurus greyed out https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51483
17:40:07 <jorendc> and where to find that option
17:40:08 <jmadero> ah, apparently our thesaurus function is just completely borked
17:40:22 <jmadero> tools -> Language -> Thesaurus
17:40:36 <jmadero> or ctrl + f7
17:40:40 <jmadero> should bring it up in theory
17:40:49 <markit> the launch bug does not prevent you to work in the already open document during 30 seconds
17:41:02 <jorendc> It's indeed grayed out
17:41:13 <jorendc> LO 4.1, no help or language packs installed
17:41:16 * jorendc going to eat
17:41:19 * jorendc brb
17:42:29 <jmadero> markit: hm, then perhaps minor is the appropriate level
17:42:33 <jmadero> whatever you think is good :)
17:42:40 <jmadero> just make sure to explain your reasoning
17:42:48 <markit> lol, for me kde bugs are all major and urgent ;P
17:42:52 <markit> just joking
17:43:34 <jmadero> haha yeah sometimes I have to remove myself from bugs that are especially annoying for myself
17:43:38 <jmadero> just to avoid favoritism
17:43:58 <jmadero> okay one more for the morning then going to watch some American Football :)
17:44:21 <jmadero> I have to write up a business proposal today also :) my father in law and I are talking about starting a business together based on an idea that I have :):)
17:44:26 <jmadero> he wants a formal proposal
17:47:00 <markit> I think I will try to follow this diagram: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
17:50:18 <jmadero> markit:  I made that ;)
17:54:27 <jmadero> what is the "zoom button"
17:54:30 <jmadero> is it in one of the toolbars
17:55:54 <jmadero> nvm got it
18:00:09 * jorendc back
18:02:34 <jorendc> jmadero: an own company :-)... Not bad ;-)
12:44:58 <jorendc> hi CorNouws :)
12:45:07 <jorendc> hi jmadero
12:45:24 <CorNouws> hi jorendc ! Al oliebollen en appelflappen op ?
12:45:34 <jorendc> haha :-)... nee
12:45:45 <jorendc> is hier niet echt zo bekend om dat met oudjaar/nieuwjaar te doen
12:46:11 <CorNouws> jorendc: toch gebrek van jullie Vlaamse cultuur - had je je in 1830 ofzo maar niet moeten afscheiden ;-)
12:46:51 <jorendc> haha ;-), point taken
12:47:43 <jorendc> jmadero: 11 hours and 20 minutes to go... and then we enter 2013 ... You can wait a bit longer
12:47:45 <jorendc> nanananaaaa
12:47:55 * jorendc being childish ;-)
13:05:46 <markit> hi, stupid me I forgot to set MIME type in a pari of attachments
13:05:50 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57089
13:05:55 <IZBot> bug 57089: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium NEW CONFIGURATION: Layout of configuration dialog broken when running LibreOffice in KDE
13:05:58 <markit> how can I fix it? I've attached all PNG
13:06:17 <markit> hi jorendc, you here? :)
13:06:47 <jorendc> hi markit :D
13:06:52 <jorendc> yes, I'm here
13:07:38 <jorendc> markit: click on 'details' behind the attachment
13:07:42 <markit> mm maybe found, edit details, but I've not a drop down box
13:08:03 <jorendc> then behind the Attachment Title is 'Edit details' <- click on that
13:08:04 <markit> image/png
13:08:15 <markit> jorendc: found, thanks, was just panic ;P
13:08:20 <jorendc> ;-) no problem
13:09:29 <markit> is it ok that if I need to add 5 screenshots I end with 5 "comments" ?
13:09:36 <markit> look at the above bug...
13:10:20 <jorendc> I haven't found an other option to attach multiple screenshot without adding 5 comments ...
13:10:27 <jorendc> so.. I think that's not a problem... :)
13:11:25 <jorendc> and 5 images is good to attach directly in freedesktop... When you click on it, (and set the correct MIME type for it ;-) ) it'll open in your browser
13:11:56 <jorendc> you can zip all 5 files and add that zip-file to freedesktop ... but then you need to download it first, unzip it and THEN see the images
13:29:44 <markit> "attach directly in freedesktop" ? what is freedesktop?
13:29:52 <markit> you mean bugzilla jorendc ?
13:30:14 <jorendc> yes markit :p
13:58:27 <jorendc> markit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58903 does this feature work in KDE?
13:58:29 <IZBot> bug 58903: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Incorrect handling of file open from Mac OS X Finder with multiple files
13:59:44 <markit> jorendc: I'll have a look in 10 minutes time
14:00:02 <jorendc> thanks
14:03:45 <jorendc> markit: never mind :-). But already excists
14:09:22 <markit> jorendc: ok, kde unconfirmed bug smashing is going well :)
14:09:42 <jorendc> :-) indeed
14:09:44 <jorendc> here too
14:09:45 <markit> some are distro specific and I leave them
14:10:01 <markit> jorendc: btw, how is the diffusion of LiBo among Mac users?
14:10:10 <jorendc> mmh, good question
14:10:21 <markit> and how good is libo integration with Macos?
14:10:25 <jorendc> I know some other mac users and they use Pages (= office app of apple)
14:10:37 <markit> oh, does Apple have an office app???
14:10:41 <jorendc> I'm satisfied with the integration
14:10:43 <jorendc> yes
14:10:51 <markit> how good is Pages?
14:10:58 <markit> I mean, better than libo?
14:11:01 <jorendc> markit: 'iWork'
14:11:18 <jorendc> mmh, I work with it a while ago
14:11:30 <jorendc> but it's to tight
14:11:40 <jorendc> not that many menu items...
14:11:55 <jorendc> and if you search something else than they putted in the menu toolbar ...
14:12:03 <jorendc> you gonna have a LOOONG search for it
14:12:07 <jorendc> so far my experience
14:12:10 <markit> ok, so Apple depends upon M$, and is not contributing to LiBo to free them ? maybe M$ and apple are two faces of the same coin
14:12:33 <jorendc> but I didn't use it a lot ... so I can't be a very good reference
14:12:44 <jorendc> markit: they are
14:12:46 <markit> I've also heard that Apple version of M$Office does not have Access, is it correct?
14:13:17 <jorendc> that's correct so far I know
14:13:31 <jorendc> KeyNote = Impress = powerpoint
14:13:36 <jorendc> Pages = writer = word
14:14:08 <jorendc> you also have iWeb ... that's for webdesign (html, css) and wysiwyg
14:14:32 <jorendc> but you need to pay for that feature (last time I checked that was a year ago)
14:14:54 <jorendc> I have iWork installed on my Mac ... but I don't use it
14:15:05 <jorendc> only to corresponded with people using the '.pages' format
14:15:28 <jorendc> (yes ... they have an own extension :| ... you see how incredible that is ...)
14:15:34 <jorendc> doc(x) for word
14:15:38 <jorendc> pages for pages ...
14:15:55 <jorendc> It's good that Pages isn't used that much
14:16:34 <jorendc> http://www.apple.com/iwork/
14:16:42 <jorendc> oh yeah, you also have 'Numbers' = calc = excel
14:18:31 <markit> I need a developer that explains the "kde-integration" package that is in .deb
14:18:47 <markit> and seems not present in distributions, where libreoffice-kde is used
14:18:50 <markit> are them the same?
14:19:18 <markit> there is a bug about it, and maybe some other bugs I thought were wrong because I tested only with libreoffice-kde
14:19:23 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58756
14:19:25 <IZBot> bug 58756: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Drop KDE 3 support (KDE 4 Native Widget Framework needed)
14:19:32 <jorendc> mmh
14:19:40 <jorendc> I'm not that familiar with integration
14:19:44 <markit> maybe better go in #libreoffice-dev ?
14:19:50 <jorendc> I tryied it before with Ubuntu
14:20:01 <jorendc> ... but when I try to do the steps, I received an error instead
14:20:20 <jorendc> and because I'm not that familiar with Linux .. I leaved it what it was :p
14:20:48 <jorendc> and used the package by making a link on my desktop to the soffice file
14:21:21 <markit> seems that gtk (so ubuntu) integration works well, kde is not considered much
14:21:28 <markit> now they fixed for Unity
14:22:01 <markit> but as far as I remember, even if SuSE devs are involved in Libo (and former OOo), KDE is not tested and integreted very well
14:22:24 <jorendc> SUSE has KDE?
14:22:33 <jorendc> (I'm sorry for that nooby question)
14:22:48 <markit> in the past SuSE was one of the main KDE distro
14:23:08 <markit> I installed my first GNU/Linux distro and was suse and had kde
14:23:26 <markit> also they defaulted to raiserfs
14:25:46 <markit> ok, time to go back to real life and work, lol
14:25:51 <markit> see you much later
21:31:21 <jorendc> hi jmadero, ertai_NL. happy new year both! :)
21:34:01 <ertai_NL> happy newyear
00:31:03 <jmadero> happy new years :)
14:56:20 <jorendc> hi jmadero ;-)
14:57:11 <jorendc> On December 31 I made a build with ENABLE_SYMBOLS (21.1GB total :-) )... Build time: 1 hour 34 minutes ...
15:04:11 <jmadero> jorendc: nice :)
15:04:18 <jmadero> and now you have symbols, helps for debugging
15:04:30 <jmadero> next you can get the bibisect package
15:04:31 <jorendc> xD I don't know how to use it yet
15:04:38 <jorendc> I already have :
15:04:39 <jorendc> :)*
15:04:45 <jorendc> bibisect I have already used
15:04:46 <jmadero> it's pretty straight forward
15:04:49 <jmadero> ]nice
15:04:57 <jorendc> markit helped with that
15:05:01 <jorendc> I'm learning a lot here :)
15:05:05 <jmadero> very nice
15:05:25 <jmadero> I'm officially back "on" today for LibO
15:05:29 <jmadero> although I did some stuff during my greak ;)
15:05:34 <jmadero> break
15:05:37 <jorendc> Now I have 2 build on my Ubuntu
15:05:46 <jorendc> Welcome back ;-)
15:06:01 <jorendc> And I know the feeling ... do things (for school) in vacations :p
15:06:10 <jmadero> I wonder if it'd be even faster build time on a lighter distro
15:06:13 <jorendc> My girlfriend make some comments about that when I do so ;-)
15:06:24 <jmadero> I'd recommend Bodhi hands down
15:06:37 <jorendc> jmadero: I can remember that
15:06:49 <jorendc> but I'm not yet that familiar with Linux I can choose whatever I want
15:07:04 <jmadero> Bodhi is very similar to Ubuntu, just uses Enlightenment instead of Unity
15:07:19 <jorendc> oh ok
15:07:25 <jorendc> I don't use Unity anymore (a)
15:07:30 <jmadero> what are you using?
15:07:35 <jmadero> Gnome shell?
15:07:37 <jorendc> I use cinnamon (the one from Linux Mint)
15:07:44 <jmadero> ah, I've heard good things
15:07:54 <jorendc> I better can change to Linux Mint ... there it's build in
15:07:55 <jmadero> did you actually remove Unity? or just not using it?
15:08:09 <jorendc> I just don't use it
15:08:18 <jorendc> I installed cinnamon ...
15:08:36 <jorendc> I can 'log out', change it back to Unity... when I log back in -> Unity :)
15:08:40 <jorendc> so, not that complicated
15:08:54 <jmadero> I would just remove Unity if I were you
15:09:04 <jmadero> less packages = sleaker machine
15:09:16 <jmadero> unless you think you'll still use Unity
15:09:24 <jmadero> I personally left Ubuntu when Unity came out
15:09:25 <jorendc> No I won't
15:09:28 <jmadero> I gave it a try for a month, just didn't like it
15:09:39 <jorendc> mmh, a lot of people did I think
15:09:53 <jorendc> especially for the 'amazon-gate'
15:10:27 <jorendc> Is there a good documentation to use the SYMBOLS?
15:10:37 <jmadero> ...not really, you don't really use them
15:10:42 <jmadero> well you use them only in debug
15:11:00 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug#Start_LibreOffice_from_the_debugger_.28gdb.29
15:11:06 <jmadero> the documentation could be a bit better
15:11:36 <jmadero> oh it was updated!
15:11:40 <jorendc> what are 'breakpoints'?
15:11:42 <jmadero> Lionel looks like he made a solid update
15:11:53 <jorendc> I point I can set where I would like to 'crash' libreoffice?
15:12:30 <jorendc> *A point
15:12:33 <jmadero> hm I don't think it's where it crashes, I think it just stops there
15:12:38 <jmadero> so you can easily look at the debug
15:12:43 <jmadero> I rarely use debug actually
15:12:55 <jmadero> it's slow and only useful with crashes
15:12:56 <jorendc> oh ok :)
15:13:01 <jmadero> which is probably <0.1% of our bugs
15:13:04 <jorendc> indeed
15:13:06 <jmadero> well it's useful for other things too, but most useful for crashes
15:13:23 <jmadero> for instance I used it to find the code for rotate text which I am trying to hack up a bit
15:13:43 <jorendc> why do you compile it? (because ... if it needs 5 hours to compile on your computer ... why don't use a standard build?)
15:13:50 <jorendc> ooh ok :)
15:14:20 <jorendc> I'm trying to find where this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54264 bug was entered ...
15:14:23 <IZBot> bug 54264: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: LO cannot open more than one file at a time from Mac Finder
15:14:42 <jmadero> I have to run to work, ping me again when I get back in about 20 minutes
15:16:01 <jorendc> Ok :-)
15:16:06 <jorendc> have a nice day
15:55:25 <jmadero> TOPIC #libreoffice-qa This is te LibreOffice-QA channel, Welcome! If you're looking to start contributing here is a great starting point http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugTriage
16:12:31 * jorendc wanna play ping-pong with jmadero
16:12:33 <jorendc> ping jmadero
16:13:42 <jorendc> I'm trying to find the root cause of this https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58903 regression (regression 3.5 vs 3.6)
16:13:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 56857) Incorrect handling of file open from Mac OS X Finder with multiple files
16:13:47 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 54264) FILEOPEN: Unable to open multiple files simultaneously in LibreOffice on OSX https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56857
16:13:49 <IZBot> bug 58903: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: LO cannot open more than one file at a time from Mac Finder https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54264
16:14:05 <jorendc> I mean https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54264
16:14:08 <IZBot> bug 54264: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: LO cannot open more than one file at a time from Mac Finder
16:17:49 <jorendc> I already found that it was triggered by http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/fpicker/source/office/iodlg.src#286
16:18:26 <jorendc> This string is defined http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/fpicker/source/office/OfficeFilePicker.hrc#39 <- here
16:19:21 <jorendc> and #define RID_LIB_START               10000 is defined here : http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/svl/inc/svl/solar.hrc
16:21:56 <jorendc> 23+6370+10000 = 16393 ... So ... I need to find where 16393 is triggered :s... (and I don't know how to find that)
16:38:19 <jmadero> jorendc: sorry had to take a call
16:38:25 <jmadero> that is way above my skill ;) ask in the dev channel
16:39:58 <jorendc> jmadero: no problem :-)
16:40:12 <jorendc> there they also don't know why
16:40:16 <jorendc> or 'how'
16:40:25 <jmadero> I forgot to take notes on something and I know there were like 3 new items to add to our QA agenda
16:40:26 <jmadero> dammit
16:47:51 <jorendc> mmh :p
16:48:01 <jorendc> sorry, can't help you either with that :p
17:06:06 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe send an email out to mailing list about your question
17:06:12 <jmadero> a lot more people will read it that way
17:08:04 <jorendc> okay :-)
17:28:31 * jorendc going to eat
17:28:46 <jmadero> enjoy
17:56:36 <jmadero> Sweetshark: New agenda being prepared, if you have any additions feel free to add https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda#Quality_Assurance_Conference_Call
18:13:25 <jorendc_eat> back
18:13:28 <jorendc_eat> thanks jmadero :)
18:15:09 <jorendc> jmadero: "Bibisect torrents & mirrors (Joel & Bjoern)" ... is that on the agenda by my comment :p?
18:15:27 <jorendc> (I made a comment +/- a week ago about 'why is bibisect not a torrent'?
18:15:28 <jmadero> jorendc: I forget if it was you or someone else ;) someone said "this is too damn slow"
18:15:29 <jmadero> haha
18:15:39 <jmadero> oh we've had it on the list for a month :)
18:15:41 <jorendc> (a) that was mee ;-)
18:15:42 <jmadero> I brought it up also
18:15:44 <jmadero> haha
18:15:47 <jorendc> superb :)
18:15:51 <jorendc> thanks for adding that
18:15:54 <jmadero> I need to get in touch with Cor about that
18:16:06 <jorendc> I'll seed it when that's possible
18:16:09 <jmadero> nice
18:16:27 <jorendc> (and I'm sure others will do so if that's possible to do)
18:16:53 <jmadero> yeah, we should have some servers doing the biggest chunk of bandwidth
18:17:25 <jorendc> or just bibisect users (like me)
18:17:29 <jmadero> bibisect is incredible but it's a bit advanced, we don't want to have a bunch of people "testing it out" and not knowing at all what it does and therefore asking 1000's of questions when in reality we only use it for abotu 1% of our bugs
18:18:05 <jmadero> having 5-10 people who can bibisect + debug is probably enough in most cases (although more is good too)
18:18:06 <jmadero> :)
18:18:07 <jorendc> that's true
18:18:31 <jorendc> I was wondering or there'll be a bibisect version for Mac in the future
18:18:46 <jorendc> but I need to learn first how to build LibreOffice for mac :-)
18:18:53 <jmadero> um, I know it's been discussed but I'm not sure
18:18:59 <jmadero> Bjoern did that all alone and it's one of a kind
18:19:06 <jmadero> as far as I know, no other software has ever done anything similar
18:19:14 <jmadero> and he works on Linux
18:19:19 <jmadero> he's employed by Canonical I believe
18:20:07 <jorendc> yes he is :-)
18:21:43 <jorendc> Pff, I'm writing a mail to mailinglist
18:21:55 <jorendc> I need to find a good Title for my mail :p
18:22:03 * jorendc 's inspiration is gone
18:23:41 <jmadero> lol
18:23:52 <jmadero> straight forward and simple is usually best :)
18:27:03 <jorendc> :p
20:03:06 <markit> hi jorendc :) I think the bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58079 is confirmed also by ydutrieux (he sees shrinked table too), better put as "new" no?
20:03:09 <IZBot> bug 58079: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Bad .doc (xml?) file open
20:03:56 <markit> btw, would help me a lot being able to see if there are replies to the issues, is it possible?
20:04:03 <markit> I mean in a list like thie one:
20:04:04 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&product=LibreOffice&list_id=190427
20:04:17 <markit> I don't know if there just the issue reported or someone is already taking care of it
20:04:32 <jorendc> hi markit :-)
20:05:41 <jorendc> as long the bug is 'UNCONFIRMED' ... the chance a developer looks at it is quite low
20:06:20 <jorendc> So... every bug that's still unconfirmed ... needs to confirmed first...
20:06:58 <jorendc> there are some unconfirmed bugs (mostly OS specific) with comments from other users using another OS
20:08:31 <markit> jorendc: I know, but why is not confirmed?
20:08:39 <jorendc> markit: ... so far I know there is not a search option for that :p
20:08:54 <markit> ah, you are replying to my second question
20:09:06 <markit> what about bug 58079?
20:09:12 <jorendc> markit: mmh ...
20:09:13 <jorendc> strange
20:09:18 <jorendc> I thought I set it to NEW :s
20:09:25 <jorendc> let me check my emails
20:09:33 <jorendc> (to find a 'log')
20:09:39 <markit> YOU wrote @ydutrieux: when you can reproduce it, please set bug status to 'NEW'. Thanks in advance.
20:09:59 <markit> but as far as I read, he found the table shrinks
20:10:16 <markit> so I think is ok to set as new
20:10:46 <jorendc> markit: done :-)
20:10:47 <jorendc> thanks
20:11:00 <jorendc> I can't find any log in my email... so I forgot it by my own ;-)
20:11:05 <jorendc> thanks for pointing that out
20:17:04 <markit> jorendc: unfortunately I forgot often to put me in CC
20:17:33 <markit> jorendc: I would love to be able to filter unresponded unconfirmed to try those first
20:18:44 <jorendc> Mmh, I don't know how to do that :p
20:18:58 <jorendc> but why 'unresponded'?
20:19:16 <jorendc> If you forgot to put yourself in CC ... you did make a 'response'?
20:19:18 <jorendc> not?
20:20:47 <jorendc> markit: if you forgot to put yourself in CC when you made comment to a bug I think you can search yourself using:
20:21:18 <jorendc> advanced search -> at the bottom of the page 'Custom Search' (open the tree menu) and search for 'commenter'
20:21:34 <jorendc> (contains the string)
20:21:52 <jorendc> what email/name do you use in bugzilla?
20:28:02 <jorendc> markit: oh, much easier: Search By Person (in advanced search)
20:28:39 <markit> jorendc: back, reading
20:28:49 <markit> ok, was a bit confusing with my questions
20:29:18 <markit> a) happend that I forgot CC, and had no mails arriving... but the issue was replied! I discovered only some days later
20:29:38 <markit> b) seems natural to me be in cc if I reply to an issue, so I have to remember myself to put me in cc every time
20:30:23 <markit> about "unresponded" I mean issues that no one took care and replied
20:31:15 <markit> I think they are the most frustrating for reporters
20:31:36 <markit> "no one took care" -> worthless report issues -> will never do again
20:31:52 <jorendc> yes indeed
20:32:01 <jorendc> mmh, I'm trying to find a solution (if possible)
20:32:10 <jorendc> for a) I have a solution
20:32:46 <jorendc> advanced search -> search by person -> search for your name/email as commenter (you made a comment to the bug
20:32:58 <jorendc> and now to exclude all the bugs you ALREADY put yourself in CC
20:33:16 <jorendc> you can open the 'custom search'
20:33:38 <jorendc> search for: CC -> does NOT contain the string -> your emailadres
20:33:57 <jorendc> so ... you search now for a bug ... where you are a commenter ... and you are NOT in CC
20:37:02 <jorendc_> damn IRC
20:38:42 <jorendc> (or just do all searching things in 'search by person'
20:44:10 <jorendc> markit: this is the list of bugs where you are a commenter and NOT in cc : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailtype2=notequals&list_id=198820&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&emailcc2=1&query_format=advanced&email2=mmenaz%40mail.com&email1=mmenaz%40mail.com&product=LibreOffice
20:45:53 <markit> jorendc: thanks, was busy with family not unable to do myself, but thanks a lot  very kind :)))
20:46:40 <jorendc> ;-) you're welcome
20:46:49 <jorendc> you can save that search; I think you already know that?
20:47:15 <markit> lol, I know is possible, long long time I not tried
20:47:19 <jorendc> at the bottom 'remember search' (first insert name in the textbox on the right)
20:48:14 <markit> I need more ram and a new HD, I want to at least try to compile libo succesfully myself once, and try to modify some lines of code (random ;P)
20:48:23 <markit> jorendc: btw, do you have a SSD?
20:48:45 <markit> I'm very tempted by SSD, even if I don't have much money to spendù
20:48:48 <jorendc> I would like to do that too (modify some lines by myself :) ). I'm now building on my macbook
20:49:07 <jorendc> No, I ever used one, but that was not mine (and only for 1 day
20:49:14 <markit> jorendc: is it true that takes very long to build?
20:50:26 <jorendc> I can build it on my Ubuntu (=desktop with Intel core i5 2300) 1 houre 8 minutes ... If you do the easiest build (without special features etc)
20:50:45 <jorendc> If you do a more complex build, I do it in 1 hour 34 minutes (without other programs running)
20:51:09 <markit> ok, reasonable
20:51:24 <jorendc> indeed
20:51:43 <markit> btw, some of first bugs I took care were replied but, not being in cc, did not noticed, sigh, thanks for the query
20:52:03 <jorendc> ;-) you're welcome
20:52:16 <jorendc> I can't find a solution for 'b)' right now
20:52:20 <markit> I have a look at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58368 now
20:52:23 <IZBot> bug 58368: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED CONFIGURATION: Change of margin when changing Page Layout style
20:52:31 <markit> don't worry, not urgent
20:53:44 <jorendc> markit: found it
20:54:08 <jorendc> advanced search -> custom search -> number of comments -> is equal to -> 1 (= only comment of reporter)
20:54:09 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=longdescs.count&list_id=198824&o1=equals&query_format=advanced&v1=1&product=LibreOffice
20:54:36 <jorendc> mmh, I didn't check 'UNCONFIRMED'
20:55:07 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=longdescs.count&list_id=198825&o1=equals&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&v1=1&product=LibreOffice <-
20:56:01 <jorendc> but sometimes the bug submitter made a comment on his own bug (more info etc) ... so you also can search for bugs with 2 comments (and still unconfirmed)
21:10:25 <jorendc> oh yeah markit: I think a SSD doesn't make you build faster
21:10:58 <jorendc> as far as I know is my botleneck my CPU...
21:11:07 <jorendc> full loaded, all 4 cores @ 100%
21:50:49 <markit> jorendc: wow, you found it, no time to test, I'm so sleepy and tired, but thanks a lot
22:08:56 <markit> jorendc: I've found the bug I talked about some days ago about shortcuts: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41981
22:08:58 <IZBot> bug 41981: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW Custom Shortcut Keys for Special Symbols
22:09:09 <markit> just in case you start coding this night ;P
22:09:37 <jorendc> ... haha :p
22:09:41 <jorendc> markit: I'm not tonight
22:09:51 <markit> it's only 2 years old and porbably trivial to implement
22:09:57 <markit> hehehe, sure was joking
22:10:05 <jorendc> but, I already searched for it
22:10:12 <jorendc> how it's handled now etc
22:10:21 <jorendc> but I don't get it right now :)
22:10:22 <markit> I really need sleep, but that bug list where I'm not cc has catchd my latest energy
22:10:33 <jorendc> ok
22:10:33 <markit> jorendc: oh, so good!
22:10:38 <jorendc> good night jorendc ;-)
22:10:51 <jorendc> markit: I'm going to crunch first a regression bug on Mac (hehe :p)
22:10:57 <jorendc> being a bit selfish (a)
22:11:21 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54264
22:11:24 <IZBot> bug 54264: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: LO cannot open more than one file at a time from Mac Finder
22:11:39 <jorendc> I send a mail in the dev mailinglist, because I'm stuck in my search "where is this error triggered ;-) "
22:13:14 <markit> let me see
22:14:53 <markit> ok, good night jorendc :)
00:15:44 <jorendc> welcome back jorendc
00:15:48 <jorendc> jmadero*
00:15:52 <jorendc> lol .. I'm welcoming myself
00:15:53 <jorendc> :')
00:24:07 <jmadero> lol
00:24:23 <jmadero> hey
00:25:14 <jorendc> I found a VERY important bug (no crash) in Impress
00:25:16 <jorendc> jmadero:
00:25:31 <jmadero> why so important?
00:25:33 <jmadero> you found it or were triaging?
00:25:47 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58963
00:25:50 <IZBot> bug 58963: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high UNCONFIRMED SLIDESHOW not full screen
00:25:55 <jorendc> I found it by myself
00:26:12 <jorendc> with the latest LO 4.1 available to download (at the FTP)
00:26:33 <jmadero> I see, I would disagree that it's Critical :)
00:26:42 <jmadero> it is quite annoying but just being annoying means NORMAL
00:26:48 <jmadero> NORMAL - HIGHEST is probably appropriate
00:26:55 <jmadero> Critical is really only for crashes and data loss
00:27:00 <jorendc> this affect a important feature of impress...
00:27:15 <jorendc> it's a core function... isn't it?
00:27:46 <jorendc> so Yes- > Does this bug happens on a clean install bla bla -> YES ... but because it isn't a crash I checked NO for this one
00:27:47 <jmadero> hm, yes, I can see your point :) in the future be a little more clear in comments (saying this is a core feature is good) instead of saying "very annoying"
00:27:55 <jorendc> -> critical ;-)
00:27:56 <jmadero> but yes I suppose I can be persuaded that it's Critical :)
00:28:32 <jmadero> regression as well
00:28:35 <jmadero> looks like a nasty one
00:28:40 <jmadero> bibisected?
00:28:48 <jorendc> Can't using mac osx
00:30:45 <jmadero> let me see if I see the same issue
00:31:18 <jorendc> Time: 2013-01-02_08:47:51
00:31:31 <jorendc> i'm downloading a build of 2 days ago
00:31:39 <jmadero> I built last night
00:31:59 <jmadero> can't reproduce
00:32:08 <jorendc> mmh
00:32:18 <jmadero> going to pull right now, 5 hours I'll try again ;)
00:32:23 <jorendc> so, maybe mac osx only
00:32:29 <jorendc> haha ;-)
00:32:29 <jorendc> ok
00:32:47 <jmadero> could be mac only, in which case I might argue Major instead of Critical
00:32:52 <jmadero> since it'll only affect a small subset of our users
00:33:03 <jmadero> but critical is fine ;)
00:33:07 <jmadero> if it's a regression it's a problem
00:36:16 <jmadero> good catch :)
00:38:50 <jorendc> it's a regression ...
00:39:07 <jorendc> still reproducible using 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: 00234d0578419c3d0847dd89554186146121f60) TinderBox: MacOSX-Intel@1-built_no-moz_on_10.6.8, Branch:master, Time: 2013-01-01_08:03:47
00:39:26 <jmadero> okay I'm building now, if I can't confirm we'll find a OS X person to test it
00:39:30 <jorendc> you can comment 'not reproducible using <OS>'
00:39:44 <jorendc> and set it as Major...
00:39:53 <jorendc> I agree with your point of view
00:40:06 <jmadero> we'll see if I can reproduce in a few hours
01:04:10 <jorendc> jmadero: chance is very little you can reproduce
01:04:22 <jorendc> bug entered between december 21 and 22
01:05:03 <jorendc> if you can't reproduce, you can set platform also to 'mac osx (all)'
01:06:44 <jorendc> jmadero: I can do more to help the devs?
01:06:47 <jorendc> (using git or so?)
01:08:01 <jorendc> can I use the build ID's to search commits?
01:13:44 * jorendc going to sleep (2:05AM over here in Belgium)
01:13:49 <jorendc> good night
08:47:26 <jorendc> hi jmadero .. still awake :o?
12:59:03 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
12:59:43 <CorNouws> hi jorendc !
12:59:59 <jorendc> having a nice day :)?
13:00:21 <CorNouws> jorendc: sort of - and you?
13:00:56 <jorendc> ... I'm stu-DIE-ng ;-)
13:01:00 <CorNouws> jorendc: hoped to have some day's really free - but alas, just doing work related stuff - which is fine too
13:01:12 <CorNouws> jorendc: the I won't disturb you any longer ;-)
13:01:13 <jorendc> There are better days than studying for exams ;-)
13:01:39 <jorendc> aah, no problem ;-). I pinged you :p
13:01:55 <jorendc> sometimes I need a distraction
14:00:55 <y3kcjd5> anybody home?
14:01:06 <jorendc> yes y3kcjd5 :)
14:01:16 * jorendc nock nock
14:01:23 <y3kcjd5> feeling up for looking at my other bugs?
14:01:36 <jorendc> sure; shoot
14:02:07 <jorendc> I'm working with Mac OSX, so I'm not sure I can reproduce them; But I'll try to :)
14:02:21 <y3kcjd5> first one you saw before
14:02:29 <y3kcjd5> bug 58530
14:02:46 <jorendc> fdo#58530
14:02:48 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED VIEWING: White/grey lines/artifacts seen along page borders https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58530
14:03:04 <y3kcjd5> did you see my latest commets?
14:03:11 <y3kcjd5> comments*
14:03:35 <y3kcjd5> though I don't know if the second beta has ot
14:03:38 <y3kcjd5> it*
14:04:07 <y3kcjd5> is there an installer for the second beta somewhere or is it build only?
14:04:38 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: I can't reproduce that (see comment 2 of that bug)
14:04:49 <jorendc> and I can't reproduce it now either
14:04:54 <jorendc> I'll search for it
14:04:55 <jorendc> a moment
14:05:24 <y3kcjd5> do you see the line on the other guy's screenshot though?
14:06:07 <jorendc> Yes
14:06:48 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: Here you can download beta 2
14:06:48 <jorendc> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
14:07:37 * y3kcjd5 downloading
14:07:41 <y3kcjd5> in the meantime
14:07:54 <y3kcjd5> bug #58606
14:07:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Sporadic inconsistencies in text spacing adjustment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58606
14:08:48 <y3kcjd5> this one may be difficult to reproduce
14:09:02 <y3kcjd5> but I think it's one of the bigger problems
14:09:54 <y3kcjd5> will the beta2 installer auto-uninstall/replace beta1?
14:10:33 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: I think so :-)
14:11:05 * jorendc looking at next bug
14:12:46 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: a hint for next bugs: don't write to much :-). It's good you are trying to be as specific as possible; but it'll fear Reproducers :-)
14:13:39 <y3kcjd5> in that case the next bug is gonna be worse -_-;
14:14:20 <jorendc> 1) just a easy 'how to reproduce steps' (example: *open LibreOffice   *Insert > Table; and add 3 columns and 2 rows   *click ok     *....)
14:14:44 <jorendc> 2) after the steps say something like 'current behavior: libreoffice crashes after I did <step bla bla >'
14:15:05 <jorendc> expected behavior: no crash and <bla bla>
14:15:18 <y3kcjd5> except for this bug there are no reproducible steps
14:15:32 <jorendc> tested with: your operation system (Windows in this example) and your libreoffice version
14:15:34 <y3kcjd5> I can only tell you what I did and what I saw
14:15:42 <jorendc> but no worry, I'll read it ;-)
14:16:05 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: no problem. You mean it very well; and thanks for reporting and investing time in your bug report :)
14:16:59 <y3kcjd5> by the way is the Japanese text showing upu properly (in the test document and the bug report)?
14:18:15 <y3kcjd5> I was a bit worried that people might encounter text encoding issues with the bug tracker...
14:21:57 <jorendc> I can open it
14:23:08 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: However, the spacing between the image and the following lines of text will not adjust to compensate for this change in anchor behavior.
14:23:16 <jorendc> ... what behavior do you expect?
14:23:44 <y3kcjd5> the text should move closer to the image a bit
14:23:59 <y3kcjd5> the following steps demonstrate what should hsppen
14:24:20 <y3kcjd5> if you take out the paragraph break and put it back in the text moves
14:25:55 <jorendc> Oh ok; I did it wrong the first time (you say 'to anchor as text' ... but there is no 'to text'; there is a 'TO character' and 'AS character'. And I choose that last one (the wrong one :p)
14:26:05 <jorendc> but when I use 'TO character', I can reproduce
14:26:27 <y3kcjd5> erm I think I meant as text
14:26:33 <y3kcjd5> character
14:26:54 <y3kcjd5> the picture is anchored to page or something by default right?
14:27:20 <jorendc> to paragraph here
14:27:40 <y3kcjd5> close enough
14:28:02 <y3kcjd5> the point is when it's like that the paragraph break after it sits on the folowing line, right?
14:28:09 <jorendc> ok, you have one more bug (I need to go then... I need to work further (I'm studying right now, have exams in a week till 31 januari :) )
14:28:13 <jorendc> yes
14:28:19 <jorendc> I confirmed it
14:28:22 <y3kcjd5> ok
14:28:40 <y3kcjd5> anyways last bug
14:28:54 <y3kcjd5> this one's kinda long
14:29:01 <y3kcjd5> bbug #58744
14:29:03 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Cannot search with paragraph breaks or replace with line breaks; inconsistencies in search expressions https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58744
14:29:42 <y3kcjd5> and I'm not quite sure if you can call it a bug
14:31:16 <y3kcjd5> while we're at it
14:31:25 <y3kcjd5> jmadero you there?
14:31:47 <jorendc> ps: in your previous bug you could just add the first document; and add these steps: 'How to reproduce: *open document in attachment  *double click on image > tab 'Type' -> Anchor 'To character'    *delete the paragraph right behind the image   *press enter   Current behavior: image jumps over text, when pressing enter, image jumps back
14:32:07 <jorendc> et voila :-), you have a good example document; easy steps to reproduce etc
14:32:16 <y3kcjd5> right but the point is it doesn't jump back to the same place
14:32:40 <y3kcjd5> also there's the second (worse) part to the bug that isn't reproducible
14:34:31 <y3kcjd5> I still seem to get those weird line artifacts in beta2
14:34:44 <jorendc> pfieuw y3kcjd5; I don't have time to read that right now :o :D
14:34:53 <y3kcjd5> thought so ^^;
14:35:07 <jorendc> But, I'll read it when I have some time
14:35:10 <jorendc> ok?
14:35:10 <y3kcjd5> ok
14:35:33 <jorendc> thanks for reporting anyway; You mean it very well :-)
14:35:57 <y3kcjd5> I'll be dropping back in here from time to time probably until all these bugs are fixed
14:36:09 <jorendc> and I appreciate it anyway ;-); but a dever will not, and other QA-team members will close the window right away while seeing this amount of text ;-)
14:36:59 <jorendc> y3kcjd5: we only can confirm or not; The rest is up to the developers; but it's not a good idea to ping them about the status. They'll have a look at each bug when they have time to
14:37:37 <jorendc> I hope they'll look at it anyway, but come especially to IRC and push them is not a good idea :-)
14:38:09 <y3kcjd5> well I was trying to make myself available for answering of questions more than pushing
14:39:03 <y3kcjd5> that way if there's something unclear or some way for me to reword the problem (and avoid having to read the essats I wrote in the bug tracker) I figured that would make things go fasdter
14:39:12 <y3kcjd5> essays*
14:41:14 <jorendc> your right :-). That's ok off course :)
14:41:45 <jorendc> but, I need to work now a bit further with my own work :-)
14:41:53 <jorendc> thanks for helping y3kcjd5
18:53:34 <ertai_NL> hi
18:54:21 <ertai_NL> hmm.. when I go to licence then that licence-information is incorrect
18:55:46 <ertai_NL> hmm.. not sure.. but It seems weird to me at least
19:10:21 <l0ll0lll> hi all. I was trying to download 4.0.0 pre release for windows, and it worked ok, but the download page describes it as being 3.6.0. See http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86&lang=ru&version=4.0.0 . Where should I report this?
19:10:59 <jorendc_working> l0ll0lll: at the website mailinglist :)
19:11:28 <l0ll0lll> ok, thanks
19:11:33 <jorendc_working> l0ll0lll: website@global.libreoffice.org
19:11:44 <l0ll0lll> thanks :)
19:11:57 <jorendc_working> you're welcome :-)
19:12:00 <ertai_NL> l0ll0lll: there is already a bug for that fdo#58948
19:12:03 <IZBot> LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium NEW Some stale text and markup remain from 3.6.0 release tied to 4.0.0 beta 2 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58948
19:12:11 <l0ll0lll> oh, good
19:12:36 <jorendc_working> oh :-) never saw that passing by :)
19:14:05 <ertai_NL> l0ll0lll: but thanks for reporting!
19:14:14 <jorendc_working> indeed :)
19:14:32 <jorendc_working> (and thank ertai_NL for pointing that out :) )
19:16:19 <ertai_NL> jorendc_working: does macosx have an installer?
19:16:23 <ertai_NL> for LO?
19:16:38 <jorendc_working> no, not like windows if you mean that
19:16:51 <jorendc_working> it works with '.DMG' files
19:17:38 <jorendc_working> you double click it, it 'unpack' and when it opens, you just drag the application in your application-folder
19:17:58 <ertai_NL> like .deb-files
19:18:11 <jorendc_working> then it's start copying, and after (+/- 1 minute for LO) You can run it
19:18:47 <ertai_NL> ok..
19:19:04 <ertai_NL> only windows has.. I've never seen it..
19:19:07 <jorendc_working> ertai_NL: https://nl.libreoffice.org/ondersteuning/installatie/macintosh/
19:19:24 <ertai_NL> thnx
19:19:31 <jorendc_working> NP :)
19:19:41 <ertai_NL> jorendc_working: are you subscribed to the QA-list now?
19:19:51 <jorendc_working> nops :(
19:19:56 <ertai_NL> damn
19:20:03 <jorendc_working> indeed
19:21:36 <jorendc_working> and still banned :|
19:21:58 <jorendc_working> tbherens or bielefeld still on vocation?
19:22:53 <ertai_NL> tbherens is.. but bielefeld has posted some bugs today. So he should be able to answer
19:23:06 <jorendc_working> Ok
19:23:12 <jorendc_working> I'll send him an email
19:27:16 <jorendc_working> done, thanks ertai_NL
19:29:57 <ertai_NL> mmeeks: Sweetshark: is one of you here?
19:30:17 <ertai_NL> Sweetshark: are you here?
19:30:48 <ertai_NL> jorendc_working: probably aren't they here.. but maybe one of them can help you
19:31:07 <jorendc_working> ok :)
19:31:22 * jorendc_working waiting in patience
22:21:25 <jorendc_afk> ertai_NL: got a mail back from rainer; He'll take a look at the mailinglist tomorrow
22:21:27 <jorendc_afk> thanks for helping
22:21:36 <ertai_NL> great
20:36:10 <jmadero> ertai_NL: any word on localized BSA for French community?
20:39:24 <ertai_NL> busy
20:39:37 <ertai_NL> I hardly worked on that but now busy with it
20:41:09 <jmadero> ertai_NL: yeah I've become pretty disorganized so my LibreOffice activities have gone down, trying to get back in work mode
20:41:17 <jmadero> finishing up law school apps along the way also
20:41:23 <jmadero> ertai_NL: happy new year by the way :)
20:41:36 <ertai_NL> happy newyear also
20:42:26 <jmadero> ertai_NL: I think the localized BSA will have a tremendously warm welcome by the community, looking forward to having the first one out there
20:42:35 <jmadero> I think that the Brazillian community will want one next
20:46:49 <ertai_NL> jmadero: the first is a scripted one and only to try if it will be successfull. We won't ship this in ANY other language then French. If it is successfull we will integrate it in the current BSA
20:47:14 <jmadero> ertai_NL: can you tell me what that means in non tech speak?
20:47:21 <jmadero> jorendc: evening :)
20:47:48 <jorendc> hi jmadero, good evening :) (and good noon over there :D)
20:48:07 <jmadero> don't remind me....three hours left at work
20:48:48 <jorendc> :) no problem jmadero ... I'm studying today till euh ... 2 AM or so (its now 9:40PM)
20:49:41 <jmadero> I'll be in your shoes again in a few months, can't wait to be studying again
20:49:52 <jorendc> :-)
20:50:44 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry to interrupt, but do you know that I can use --enable-debug for Non-crashing bugs as well?
20:50:48 <ertai_NL> jmadero: this will be the only language with this implementation as we will run 2 BSA's ATM.
20:51:03 <ertai_NL> if it is successfull we will integrage in the other
20:51:42 <jmadero> ertai_NL: how difficult is it to integrate vs. having separate ones?
20:51:43 <jorendc> ertai_NL: because there will be a french version ... they are still supposed to write in english?
20:51:55 <jmadero> jorendc: the french version will shoot an email out to the mailing list
20:52:05 <jmadero> and will say something about needing a translations
20:52:13 <jmadero> so that a proper bug report can be made
20:52:21 <jorendc> phiew :|
20:52:34 <jorendc> where will you find that volunteers for all that translation work?
20:52:43 <jmadero> that French community is vibrant
20:52:49 <jmadero> do you belong to our user mailing list?
20:52:54 <jorendc> oh, I'm happy to hear that :)
20:52:57 <jorendc> yes :D
20:52:58 <jorendc> finally
20:53:01 <jmadero> that one is quite active
20:53:20 <jorendc> since 9 houres or so
20:53:30 <jmadero> is that QA mailign list or User mailing list?
20:53:32 <jmadero> or both?
20:53:43 <jorendc> QA mailinglist
20:53:44 <jmadero> qa mailing list is the least active I think
20:53:49 <ertai_NL> jmadero: integrate will take a little while. The seperate will be done tonight (only the Translation won't be finished)
20:53:50 <jmadero> our team is small, but growing :)
20:54:07 <jorendc> indeed
20:54:12 <jmadero> Sweetshark: any luck finding a translator for French BSA?
20:54:29 <jorendc> I can do a bit of french :p
20:54:33 <jmadero> he's probably asleep
20:54:44 <ertai_NL> jmadero: I have a part already translated. The rest will be send to sophie later
20:54:44 <jmadero> jorendc: wouldn't be much I don't think
20:54:50 <jmadero> ertai_NL: do you have the language that needs translated
20:54:53 <jorendc> (it's supposed to be my second language ... :p)
20:54:55 <jmadero> Sweetshark: nevermind :)
20:55:28 <jorendc> vous pouvez parler le francais jmadero? ;-)
20:55:31 <jmadero> would we just make it in every language that we have a mailing list?
20:55:58 <ertai_NL> jmadero: ?
20:56:03 <jmadero> jorendc: pas du tout
20:56:18 <jmadero> ertai_NL: if the French one is successful, how many languages will we add?
20:56:21 <jorendc> jmadero: the community in brazil is quite active to ... So, I think there is 'potential support'
20:57:04 <jorendc> jmadero: parce que tu écrit: 'pas du tout' ... vous le pouvez ;-)
20:57:20 <ertai_NL> jmadero: don't know. That's for later
20:57:23 * jorendc ok, so far my 'good' french
20:57:24 <jorendc> :p
20:57:55 <jmadero> lol I can read it a little I guess but I used google translate to write it ;)
20:58:03 <jorendc> haha :D
20:58:12 <jorendc> cheater ;-)
20:59:16 <jmadero> efficient ;)
20:59:21 <jmadero> French isn't on my list of language I want to learn
20:59:27 <jmadero> so google translate will suffice
20:59:33 <jorendc> jmadero: I have a strange bug case ... And it's 'platforms = all' (I checked with Ubuntu and Mac OSX, and the reporter used windows)
20:59:56 <jorendc> but I'll investigate it further ...
21:00:06 <jmadero> jorendc: can't reproduce?
21:00:13 <jorendc> I found the code where it all happens
21:00:22 <jorendc> yes I can :-), that's not the problem
21:00:35 <jmadero> ah, what's the problem?
21:00:37 <jorendc> I'll just investigate it further (and try to learn C++ a bit in that way)
21:00:52 <jorendc> so: I have the code (I know where it all handled)
21:01:04 <jorendc> ... but I don't know how to check what's runned while office is executed
21:01:38 <jmadero> jorendc: debug with symbols might be useful
21:01:53 <jmadero> my C++ is beginner at best so I'm not much help for programming
21:02:08 <jorendc> with symbols I can see what's a value of a variable or so?
21:02:35 <jorendc> I already checked https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug
21:02:44 <jmadero> ertai_NL might be able to answer that one, I've only debugged a couple times
21:02:51 <jorendc> but I think 'gdb' is for crashes?
21:03:31 <jmadero> jorendc: no, you can't force a crash at the point you want and then see where you are
21:03:37 <jorendc> jmadero: ok thanks :), but what I want to know is ... not all tools are 'for crash bugs only'?
21:03:49 <jmadero> gdb can be used outside of crashes
21:04:01 <jmadero> moggi: is ^^ correct?
21:04:02 <ertai_NL> jmadero: indeed
21:04:07 <jmadero> nice
21:04:17 <jmadero> feel like i'm 50/50 on passing on wrong info
21:04:18 <jmadero> I got something right for once
21:04:32 <jorendc> haha :p
21:04:35 * ertai_NL uses also SAL_INFO sometimes (which prints to the terminal)
21:04:37 <jmadero> ertai_NL: and can you see the variable names in gdb?
21:04:58 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes.. but you need debug-symbols
21:05:18 <jmadero> ertai_NL: that's what I thought, I have symbols on (22 gigs....ridiculous)
21:05:19 <jorendc> ertai_NL: how to set that up? (what -- to use for ./autogen.sh)?
21:05:36 <jmadero> ---symbols-enabled
21:05:37 <jmadero> yes?
21:05:45 <jmadero> jorendc: I think you already heave that
21:05:57 <ertai_NL> jorendc: http://www.ertai.nl/?q=node/29 <- dutch howto
21:06:28 <jorendc> _o_ you're wonderful ertai_NL :)
21:06:40 <jmadero> jorendc: you already have symbols enabled yes?
21:06:51 <jorendc> on a previous install yes :)
21:06:59 <jorendc> but yesterday I re-installed ubuntu
21:07:07 <jorendc> I fucked linux quite a bit up ;-)
21:07:13 * jorendc feeling ashamed
21:07:19 <jmadero> I've done that at least 200 times
21:07:21 <jmadero> proud of that
21:07:23 <jmadero> ;)
21:07:29 <jmadero> my favorite mistake that I've done TWICE
21:07:34 <jmadero> sudo rm -R /*
21:07:46 <jorendc> haha :p I did something like that too
21:07:49 <jorendc> deleted a little too much
21:08:28 <jmadero> I keep LibO git pull on a separate partition
21:08:34 <jorendc> the most difficult thing is to 'repair' the GRUB afterwards
21:08:37 <jmadero> saves me most of the time, although I've had a stable install for months now
21:12:48 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I got message '--enable-dbgutil cannot be sued with --enable-symbols
21:13:08 <jmadero> just use enable-symbols
21:14:39 <jorendc> ok :)
21:15:10 * jorendc starts building
21:15:14 * jorendc starting chrono
21:15:22 <jmadero> nice
21:15:40 <jorendc> I'm curious how long that'll take
21:15:47 <moggi> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug
21:16:02 <jmadero> moggi: saw that, there's been some nice work to that wiki recently
21:16:14 <jmadero> jorendc: couple hours or less for you on that machine you have
21:16:17 <jmadero> for me >7 hours
21:16:31 <jorendc> moggi: I already read that, but I don't understand much of it
21:16:41 * jorendc is a noob
21:17:56 <moggi> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdarkdust.net%2Ffiles%2FGDB%2520Cheat%2520Sheet.pdf&ei=AkXnUM6-N9OGswaEl4DQDw&usg=AFQjCNHCDpbVUfxmJyacITfnesZ0PKBKqg&sig2=vwX9HN-gwf39Tdt62cx1lA&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.Yms&cad=rja
21:19:23 <jorendc> thanks moggi
21:21:32 <jorendc> mmh ... building is finished already
21:22:38 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I already have an excisting and quite up to date build... I used ./autogen.sh in that build...
21:22:59 <jorendc> it's 11,2GB size ... mmmh
21:23:04 <jorendc> seems a bit to small, isn't it?
21:25:32 <jmadero> hm, mine is definitely larger but I have more options
21:26:14 <jmadero> nvm same
21:26:31 <jmadero> calculating size now
21:27:04 <jorendc> previous time I had +20GB I think
21:27:28 <ertai_NL> it should be >20GB AFAIK
21:27:36 <jorendc> mmh
21:27:46 <ertai_NL> jorendc: did you do a make clean on your old build
21:28:00 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I think you need a clean build
21:28:07 <jmadero> if you enable symbols, mine definitely over 20GB
21:28:13 <jorendc> indeed :)
21:28:30 <jorendc> 'make clean'-command?
21:28:56 <ertai_NL> yes
21:29:33 <jmadero> jorendc: might as well do a pull also
21:29:36 <jmadero> ./g pull -r
21:30:10 <jorendc> jmadero: no need for that ... clean is clean ;-)
21:30:18 * jorendc deleted the whole core/ folder
21:30:18 <jorendc> :p
21:30:26 <jmadero> no but a pull gets the new patches
21:30:30 <jmadero> submitted since your last download/pull
21:30:36 <jmadero> so you do clean, then you pull new patches, then you build
21:30:50 <jmadero> then every few days you can just pull and build on top of install
21:30:55 <jmadero> <10 minutes most of the time
21:31:03 <jorendc> Yeah, I did a pull 1 houre ago :)
21:31:08 <jmadero> ah good stuff
21:31:17 <jorendc> so, I don't think that whas the 'problem'
21:39:37 <ertai_NL> damn.. the BSA doesn't work.. and I don't know why..
21:41:02 <jmadero> ertai_NL: hate when that happens, not sending an email?
21:41:18 <jmadero> wait the main BSA? or the French one?
21:41:21 <jmadero> or both...?
21:42:00 <ertai_NL> both.. but on bugzilla.libreoffice.org
21:42:20 <ertai_NL> the production on www.libreoffice.org does work
21:42:48 <jmadero> yeah bugzilla.libreoffice.org won't load for me
21:43:35 <jmadero> ertai_NL: have you seen software that actually incorporates FDO into their own site? stumbled across gpodder's bug tracking setup and I liked it quite a bit
21:43:39 <ertai_NL> ah.. wrong link https://bugassistant.libreoffice.org/libreoffice/bug_fr/bug/bug.html
21:43:47 <jmadero> I was about to put that ;0
21:43:50 <jmadero> I never use BSA
21:44:07 <ertai_NL> jmadero: what gpodder?
21:44:22 <jmadero> ertai_NL: https://bugs.gpodder.org/
21:44:30 <jmadero> gpodder is for podcasts, looks like they took fdo to their own page
21:44:39 <jmadero> and you can only report against gpodder
21:45:13 <jmadero> might be good for us to do something similar bugs.libreoffice.org instead of sending people to bugs.freedesktop.org and having them report there
21:45:30 <ertai_NL> jmadero: I have been telling people we need our own bugzilla. But other people disagree
21:45:58 <jmadero> ertai_NL: our own bugzilla, like not using FDO at all or just having a new "front end" for it on our site?
21:46:22 <ertai_NL> not using FDO's at all
21:46:33 <jmadero> ertai_NL: that seems like quite a bit of work yes?
21:46:40 <jmadero> is that one I linked from gpodder separate from FDO?
21:46:54 <jmadero> it looks exactly like FDO, that's why I assumed it was
21:46:59 <ertai_NL> yes.. but would also save a lot of work as we can specify submodules and system
21:47:29 <ertai_NL> jmadero: bugzilla is a 3th party software (Mozilla). FDO yust runs a instance of it
21:47:29 <jmadero> ertai_NL: I would like our own system just so we have more control but I think we need more devs to maintain and we're not there yet
21:47:39 <jmadero> FDO's version tracker is horrible
21:47:43 <jmadero> ah, didn't know that
21:48:07 <ertai_NL> yes.. but a lot of time is wasted with the current bugzilla.. so we also win time with our own instance
21:48:26 <jmadero> yes, just initial setup would be tough, I'll add to our QA call discussion, might be a very long discussion
21:48:33 <jmadero> we'd have to come up with a framework and argument for the change
21:48:37 <jmadero> also how we handle the transition
21:48:48 <jmadero> but currently we're working with FDO to get some improvements done
21:49:07 <jmadero> we're discussing trying to contract someone to implement a few changes that we want
21:50:30 <ertai_NL> If somebody has a contact can somebody ask where the API of bugzilla on FDO can be found?
21:51:04 <ertai_NL> as using that would enable me to improve the BSA quite a bit
21:51:51 <jmadero> sure, I can do that
21:51:54 <jmadero> I'll find out for you
21:57:01 <jorendc> jmadero: I have exam on next Friday (January 10'th)
21:57:11 <jorendc> quite early in the morning...
21:57:17 <jorendc> what time does the QA call start?
21:58:43 <jmadero> 1400 UTC
21:58:56 <jmadero> which is quite early for me ;)
21:59:51 <jorendc> yes it is :)
21:59:59 <jorendc> oh nice, so 1500 in Belgium
22:00:10 <jorendc> mmh, I think I can be there :)
22:00:19 <jorendc> *present*
22:00:59 <jmadero> ertai_NL: I just sent our contact an email, we'll see what he says
22:07:16 <jorendc> jmadero: how many people are present (average) on a QA call?
22:22:37 <jmadero> 3-5
22:22:42 <jmadero> small team ;)
22:22:48 <jorendc> ok :)
22:23:12 <jorendc> better than a team of 20 persons :-)... I don't want to watch that chat ;-)
22:24:02 * jorendc imagine a IRC-chat where all the text lines moves as fast as the numbers in 'The Matrix' movies :p
22:24:22 <jmadero> ah it's a phone call though, not chat
22:24:26 <jmadero> Bjoern and I type just for our notes
22:24:41 <jorendc> oh ok
22:24:44 <jorendc> Skype?
22:25:06 <jmadero> you can call in with skype, there are local numbers for you to call, we have a conference call service
22:25:13 <jmadero> you dial a number and put in a room #
22:25:46 <jorendc> oh, didn't know that :)
22:26:00 <jmadero> jorendc: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Contact
22:26:46 <jmadero> so we talk and then enter the chat here
22:26:52 <jmadero> Bjoern and I use meetbot to keep minutes
22:27:11 <jmadero> Bjoern leads the discussion
22:27:31 <jorendc> oh ok :)
22:27:37 <jorendc> thanks for the info
22:27:48 <jorendc> I saw there is a skype contact
22:28:30 <jorendc> because there is no number for my country (Belgium), can I just call to that number when conference call is on/will start
22:28:36 <jorendc> *?
22:29:25 <ertai_NL> jmadero: go to the website of the provider. A lot more countries are listed there
22:29:48 <moggi> http://www.talkyoo.net/main/telefonkonferenz_internationale_rufnummern
22:31:22 <jorendc> ok, thanks
22:33:18 <jmadero> ertai_NL: I'll add that to the wiki
22:33:31 <jmadero> nvm already there
22:36:00 <ertai_NL> I'm starting to hate the BSA-code more and more.. I think it is a bit of a mess
22:37:48 <jorendc> mmh, still problems to send a mail out ertai_NL :s?
22:37:56 <jmadero> yeah I saw your email
22:38:00 <jmadero> isn't the issue just php support?
22:38:16 <jmadero> who was the original developer of BSA?
22:46:33 <ertai_NL> no.. the problem is that we use ajax and xslt to load data in a enormesly complex way
22:46:47 <jmadero> ah, fixable?
22:49:03 <ertai_NL> yes, with the API it would be better..
22:49:51 <ertai_NL> but the problem is that I work a lot on that and not as much more on LibreOffice
22:56:02 <jmadero> ertai_NL: we need specialist ;)
22:56:07 <jmadero> so if you just do BSA, so be it
22:56:11 <jmadero> unless you don't like it of course
22:58:29 <ertai_NL> yes..
23:23:51 <jorendc> jmadero: 1 hour 35 minutes for 0 to build ;-)
23:24:56 <jorendc> maybe upgrading your machine will give you +3 hours of time saving ;-)?
23:25:18 <jmadero> haha no plans for that ;) computers are a hobby
23:25:30 <jmadero> if it was a career I'd think about it, I'm a bit of an environmentalist so I use my tech until it breaks
23:25:40 <jmadero> I still have 3 more months on this one until end of warranty (love the 4 year warranties)
23:26:32 <jorendc> :-) nice. Yeah, I'm not consuming that much computers too ... this computer is about 9 months old. Before that we had a computer dated from WW2
23:26:40 <jorendc> no, just joking :p
23:26:40 <jmadero> I actually feel like I haven't contributed nearly as much time as I should to LibO lately :-/
23:26:46 <jorendc> we had one from 2002 ...
23:26:46 <jmadero> haha
23:27:04 <jorendc> so that's +/- 10 years of use
23:27:06 <jmadero> wow....my wife had her laptop from 2006, was a great machine until she dumped water on it
23:27:14 <jmadero> now she has a faster computer than mine and she does 1% of what I do on mine
23:27:20 <jorendc> mmh ... electronics and water ... mmmh
23:27:33 <jmadero> I am usually happy with 4-5 years for a laptop
23:27:44 <jmadero> my last purchase was the Raspberry Pi though :)
23:27:50 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe looking nice and do the dishes will work ;-)? (-> ask her to change computer)
23:27:58 <jorendc> ooh cool
23:28:01 <jorendc> the last edition?
23:28:04 <jmadero> lol she hates my computer, too big (I like 17" screens)
23:28:11 <jmadero> I believe it's the latest edition
23:28:35 <jmadero> just set up some sweet stuff last night on it, my movies/tv shows pause when I get a phone call now and start back up when I hang up
23:28:38 <jmadero> pretty sweet
23:28:41 <jorendc> I was doubting to buy one
23:28:51 <jorendc> lool :D
23:29:06 <jorendc> you use it as a HTPC?
23:29:11 <jmadero> and my caller id/text mesages appear on my tv when I get them to my cell phone
23:29:13 <jmadero> :)
23:29:24 <jorendc> :D
23:29:25 <jmadero> yeah
23:29:37 <jmadero> GPU is great, CPU laggy (won't play flash)
23:29:50 <jorendc> what's the max resolution it can handle?
23:29:55 <jorendc> HD-streaming?
23:29:57 <jmadero> 1080p
23:29:58 <jmadero> ;)
23:30:03 <jorendc> :| whuuuut?
23:30:14 <jmadero> smooth as silk, pretty amazing
23:30:18 * jorendc grabs his mouth of the desk
23:30:27 <jmadero> I just got my hulu plus working on it which is amazing
23:30:32 <jmadero> that streams at 720p no problem
23:30:49 <jorendc> A month ago there passed a blog about LibreOffice on raspberry pi
23:31:01 <jorendc> you're running LO on it :)?
23:31:03 <jmadero> yeah I saw that, quite a few people compiling on it
23:31:11 <jmadero> I haven't yet, I run a pretty stripped distro
23:31:25 <jmadero> I can't put any more on my plate right now, too many things going on
23:31:26 <jorendc> It's all command-line?
23:31:33 <jorendc> or is there a UI for it?
23:31:37 <jmadero> UI
23:31:40 <jmadero> runs XBMC
23:31:43 <jorendc> nice
23:31:55 <jmadero> then I ssh into it from my system to play around with files
23:32:37 <jorendc> it has much potential as a computer for users that have a computer and don't use it
23:32:54 <jmadero> yeah just the CPU maxes out at 1ghz
23:32:58 <jmadero> and that's overclocked
23:33:16 <jorendc> mmh, that's indeed not THAT good
23:33:28 <jorendc> but I think there is potential for improvements
23:33:32 <jmadero> did you see Ubuntu's announcement about their cell phone OS
23:33:37 <jorendc> this is only the second one
23:33:40 <jorendc> yes
23:33:44 <jorendc> kind of crazy
23:33:48 <jmadero> big news, they think soon phones will be the desktop
23:33:56 <jorendc> but that's for 2014 :), so wait a bit longer for that
23:33:59 <jmadero> plug it into keyboard/mouse/monitor and you have a system
23:34:03 <jorendc> indeed
23:34:05 <jmadero> I read summer '13
23:34:25 <jmadero> with first beta release on Galaxy S in "the next couple weeks"
23:35:02 <jorendc> oh okay; because I verified on a website
23:35:17 <jorendc> first cell phones with an install will be available at 2014
23:35:55 <jorendc> so, for developers/early adopters it'll be available this summer
23:36:06 <jmadero> I read http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/ubuntu-operating-system-for-smartphones-unveiled.php
23:36:08 <jorendc> and to buy a phone with Ubuntu installed on it -> 2014
23:36:22 <jmadero> regardless I'll stick with Android ;)
23:36:29 <jmadero> I don't need a "basic phone that's easy for new users"
23:36:35 <jmadero> I want fast, furious and lots of customization
23:36:36 <jmadero> :)
23:36:49 <jmadero> but interesting concept
23:37:28 <jorendc> indeed :)
23:38:03 <jorendc> I now have a budget smartphone (samsung galaxy gio), doesn't cost much, but pretty good hardware
23:38:17 <jorendc> I hope I can do 3 or 4 more years with it :)
23:38:34 <jmadero> I overpay for mine, I don't even want a phone at all :)
23:38:38 <jmadero> I have the Evo 3D
23:39:05 <jorendc> and then I can buy a quadcore smartphone, now equal to an Iphone for 150€ or so :)
23:39:28 <jorendc> wow :)
23:39:34 <jorendc> +500€
23:39:50 <jorendc> that's as much as an iPhone or Samsung G 3S
23:40:53 * jorendc is still a student... can't imagine having a cell phone of +500€ ; Ok, I have a MacBook Pro, but I worked a month for that :p
23:41:09 <jmadero> haha I think it's cheaper here ;)
23:41:16 <jmadero> but my monthly bill is ridiculous
23:41:20 <jmadero> and service is terrible
23:42:12 <jmadero> Europe doesn't do contracts for cell phones? retail here is like $600 for the phoen but if you sign a contract it's $250 (or was at least)
23:42:50 <jorendc> yes there is :)
23:43:16 <jorendc> but that's almost only used for business people
23:43:39 <jorendc> and ... I can't afford a contract of 30 to 40 euro's/month :p
23:43:55 <jorendc> I spend 10 euro a month on my contract now (pre-paid)
23:43:59 <jorendc> :p
23:44:40 <jmadero> yeah my bill is $95 a month
23:44:54 <jmadero> and I'm lucky to get 20 kb/s download
23:44:56 <jorendc> lol :)
23:45:03 <jmadero> usually it's more like 2
23:45:19 <jorendc> I can reach 200 to 300 kb/s in city's
23:45:36 <jmadero> yeah I live in a big city, service just isn't good
23:45:43 <jmadero> I think 1.2 million people
23:47:26 <jorendc> that sucks :|
23:47:35 <jorendc> in what city do you live?
23:48:10 <jmadero> San DIego
23:48:33 <jorendc> Oh I know that :)
23:48:38 <jorendc> california?
23:48:45 <jmadero> yeah
23:49:06 <jorendc> close to Mexico; isn't it?
23:49:39 <jmadero> yeah, probably 30 minutes from my home
23:49:54 <jorendc> nice nice :)
23:51:15 <jmadero> okay time for me to head home
23:51:19 <jmadero> I'll be around on and off
23:51:21 <jmadero> good luck studying
07:20:42 <jmadero> crap, LibO corrupted a really important file of mine :(
16:39:49 <ertai_NL> CorNouws: gelukkig nieuwjaar!
16:40:41 <jorendc> :p
16:41:21 <CorNouws> ertai_NL: dank je - ook jij heel veel mooie, fijne dingen gewenst :-)
16:41:52 <ertai_NL> :D
16:44:08 <jorendc> CorNouws: heb jij rechten op internationale website?
16:44:22 <CorNouws> jorendc: yep
16:44:49 <jorendc> bump CorNouws: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59060
16:44:52 <IZBot> bug 59060: LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium NEW Wrong version number in AppUp
16:44:53 <jorendc> :-)
12:13:34 <jorendc> hi CorNouws :)
12:18:00 <CorNouws> jorendc: hi!
16:26:57 <jmadero> jorendc: how's it going?
16:28:31 <jorendc> hi jmadero :d
16:28:38 <jorendc> good, very good
16:28:41 <jorendc> how are you :)
16:28:41 <jorendc> ?
16:29:56 <jorendc> I'm developing a bit jmadero :D
16:30:13 <jorendc> I mean ... TRY TO develop ;-)
16:30:13 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/
17:03:15 <jmadero> jorendc: link me again, phone cut out
17:03:24 <jorendc> no problem :D
17:03:43 <jorendc> on you're question: how's it going -> good, very good
17:04:01 <jorendc> I TRY TO develop right now
17:04:07 <jorendc> see -> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/
17:04:15 <jmadero> very cool, don't forget about us at QA ;)
17:04:29 <jorendc> adding a 'close button' in the findbar
17:04:33 <jorendc> no I wouldn't
17:04:51 <jorendc> in mean time, when I'm completely stuck and be afraid to disturb someone in the dev-channel
17:04:55 <jorendc> I do some QA work :)
17:06:11 <jmadero> we have almost 80 unconfirmed against version 4
17:06:45 <jorendc> mmh, that's indeed quite a lot
17:07:52 <jorendc> jmadero: 65 bugs found.   (only counting the 4.0 version, not the latest 3.6.4.3)
17:08:28 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=202287&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&product=LibreOffice
17:08:30 <jorendc> 15 bugs 'solved'/'confirmed' in 2 minutes
17:09:15 * jorendc comparing the 2 URL's
17:09:53 <jorendc> you're right :-) didn't add  4.0.0.0.alpha0+ Master
17:13:36 <jmadero> DAMMIT, how do I change mime type on FDO
17:13:41 <jmadero> it's not intuitive at all
17:14:35 <jorendc> jmadero: click on 'see details' at the end of the attachemnt
17:14:48 <jmadero> Yeah I did that
17:14:48 <jorendc> and then again 'edit details' (behind the attachment name)
17:14:49 <jmadero> every time I get an error
17:14:56 <jorendc> which bug?
17:15:38 * jorendc brb, food time :-)
17:33:36 <jmadero> Sweetshark: every time I do bibisect now I get this error when I try to run soffice.bin http://pastebin.com/eQFXxKiH, if I run soffice.bin a second time it works fine
17:35:43 <Sweetshark> jmadero: the warning is likely unrelated
17:36:12 <jmadero> same thing happens just with my master pull
17:36:20 <jmadero> I run soffice once, doesn't open
17:36:23 <jmadero> second time works fine
17:36:49 <jmadero> that's been an issue for awhile now, never brought it up, with bibisect it's a new issue
17:37:24 <jmadero> happy new year by the way, hope you had a fantastic one
17:37:46 <Sweetshark> jmadero: and that soffice.bin needs a second start is because it updates its configuration on the first run. The soffice wrapper around soffice.bin takes care of that usually (doing a restart when soffice.bin did a exit with code 83(?unsure). so you only see it running soffice.bin directly after changing the version ..
17:38:01 <Sweetshark> jmadero: happy new year!
17:38:25 <jmadero> ah, that makes sense, so nothing to worry about :)
17:38:38 <jmadero> trying to get through these unconfirmed bugs against 4, some of them are high priority if they in fact exist
17:39:16 <jmadero> I did a system update yesterday -- should follow rule "if it's not broken, don't fix it"
17:39:19 <jmadero> borked my entire setup
17:39:31 <jmadero> my workflow is completely screwed up
17:40:12 <jmadero> so quick question, 4.1 master is different from 4.0 master? or at this point is the code identical?
17:41:57 <jmadero> (totally unrelated but I've been working with you guys long enough to share, I got into my first law school over the weekend:)! )
17:50:30 <jorendc> sorry jmadero, I'm back
17:50:40 <jmadero> jorendc: all good :)
17:50:40 <jorendc> internet connection failed
18:02:36 <ohallot> HI QA guys
18:03:00 <jorendc> hi ohallot
18:03:10 <ohallot> have you stumbled upon PPT presentations with hidden artifacts, that only shows in printing?
18:04:13 <jorendc> none that I know :-) (or didn't know that bug passed by)
18:04:21 <jorendc> ohallot: new bug?
18:07:04 <ohallot> I suspect users are passing the PPT between MS 2003 and 2007 and is gathering dirt in between. Artifacts only shows in prinitng and in the small windows in Ctrl-P command. Artifacts cannot be selected and does not display on presentations...
18:07:43 <ohallot> will try do file a bug
18:09:49 <jorendc> yes please; with a sample document ohallot; :-)
18:10:42 <ohallot> I know... but data is confidential so I need to delete it and be sure the bug is still there after editing
18:11:15 <jorendc> ok, that's indeed another case
18:11:40 <jorendc> ohallot: ... you have Ms 2003 or 2007?
18:11:52 <jorendc> in that case you can try to reproduce from scratch
18:11:55 <jorendc> (just a thought
18:14:43 <ohallot> jorendc: I'll do it back at the customer site
18:15:05 <jorendc> sure, thanks ohallot
18:15:14 <jorendc> I'll see that bug passing by when you submit it
18:49:09 <jmadero> jorendc: you there?
18:49:40 <jmadero> you mind taking a look at this one fdo#58730
18:49:51 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED paragraph styles line spacing does not stick when also specifying non-zero left and right margins https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58730
18:49:56 <jmadero> I can't reproduce, I already left one comment but I want a second opinion before changing to "WORKSFORME"
18:49:59 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm here :-)
18:50:09 <jorendc> I'll look at it when I resolve some errors with my git
18:51:20 <jmadero> jorendc: many thanks
19:17:26 <jorendc> jmadero: Okay, I'll look at it right now :-)
19:17:28 <jorendc> sorry to wait :)
19:17:47 <jmadero> how do you say thanks in dutch?
19:18:14 <jorendc> "bedankt" :-)
19:18:37 <jorendc> you can say that to CorNouws or Ertai_NL to ;-) (they also speak dutch as well :) )
19:19:01 <jmadero> bedankt
19:20:21 <jorendc> ;-) "graag gedaan" (You're welcome)
19:24:39 <jmadero> it Dutch similar to German?
19:26:25 <jorendc> jmadero: mmh, sort of ... but you can't compare it as a 'dialect' (if that's an english word)
19:26:48 <jorendc> if a german talks to me... I can understand him because some words are the same
19:27:24 <jorendc> so ... I can understand a bit of german (without having studied it) ... but not that good I can speak it
19:28:06 <jorendc> Dutch = a "german language"
19:28:30 <jorendc> it's derivated from the german language ... as almost all European languaged are derivated from the 'latin'
19:29:08 <jorendc> jmadero:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages ;-) If you're interested
19:29:47 * jorendc still building libreoffice so can't test bug right now
19:51:11 <jmadero> nice, it was funny that I could partially understand the French the other day
19:51:19 <jmadero> I have no experience with French but I could get the gist of the conversation
19:52:23 <jorendc> indeed ;-) also because english is somehow connected to the germanic language... (that's also the reason why we use the same characters etc, and write fro left to right)
19:52:38 <jorendc> compared to chinese and arabic etc
19:52:40 <jorendc> :)
19:52:50 * jorendc build done, now try to reproduce that bug
19:58:42 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce that
19:59:02 <jmadero> marking as WFM, will you add a comment in 2 minutes
19:59:04 <jmadero> after I leave one
20:00:16 <jorendc> jmadero: :s I already made a comment one minute ago :s
20:00:21 <jmadero> nice :)
20:00:37 <jmadero> wait this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59053
20:00:39 <jorendc> (make sure you copy when you click on 'save changes') :-)
20:00:41 <IZBot> bug 59053: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED WORKSFORME VIEWING: math formulas (equations) in .docx files are not viewed properly
20:01:07 <jmadero> nvm wrong one ;)
20:01:09 <jmadero> too man windows open
20:01:18 <jorendc> no problem :D
20:02:46 <jorendc> jmadero: you'll WFM that bug ?
20:03:45 <jmadero> just did
20:04:17 <jorendc> I saw that mail passing by :)
20:04:48 <jmadero> so irritating when users over prioritze their bugs
20:13:28 <jorendc> indeed :)
21:09:04 <jmadero> jorendc: you see the email about FOSDEM?
21:10:45 <jorendc> I do
21:11:54 <jorendc> jmadero: but I'll probably on vocation then :-)
21:12:14 <jorendc> I end on januari 31 with exames, and I have a course-free week afterwards
21:12:24 <jmadero> ah
21:15:18 <jorendc> If I'm free then, I'll sure make a trip to brussels
21:15:30 <jorendc> and say hi to some collegues ;-)
21:18:45 <jmadero> I was going to say maybe you can do the talk
21:19:00 <jmadero> the trip is really just too far to justify the expense for me
21:19:20 <jmadero> either for myself or TDF
21:22:38 <jorendc> I surely have no time for a talk at FOSDEM right now; Maybe in the future
21:22:55 <jorendc> but when I'm not on vocation, I'll pass by
21:23:24 <jorendc> I never go to a FOSDEM or something like that... so I don't know what to expect etc
21:27:17 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
21:27:33 <jorendc> just a question: do you know anything about my application to be a TDF member?
21:50:40 <CorNouws> hi Joren
21:51:16 <CorNouws> jorendc: yes, it is approved, but not yet processed, somthing like that. But you'll be listed soon - and deserved :-)
21:51:35 <CorNouws> /deserved/well deserved !
21:51:53 <jorendc> :D good to hear that
21:51:55 <jorendc> thanks CorNouws
21:52:14 <jorendc> not that I'm impatient :), I was just curious
22:17:29 <CorNouws> jorendc: I just can't believe that ;-)
22:17:50 <CorNouws> jorendc: by the way: any chance to visit FOSDEM this year?
22:27:01 <jorendc> CorNouws: probably not
22:27:14 <jorendc> I end with my exames on 31 januari
22:27:45 <jorendc> and the first week of februari I have a 'course-free week'
22:27:59 <jorendc> so ... I probably go on vocation in that weekend/week
22:28:35 <jorendc> BUT (that's what I also said to jmadero): if I have any free time to come then, I certainly would love to!
22:38:38 <CorNouws> jorendc: ok, sadly you have vacation :)
22:39:11 <jorendc> sadly :o?
22:39:16 <jorendc> SADLY :o?
22:39:29 <CorNouws> jorendc: :-P
22:39:30 <jorendc> CorNouws: I'm looking forward to it :D
22:39:34 <jorendc> ;-)
22:39:49 <jorendc> I'll write you a postcard, no problem
22:40:02 <jorendc> and describe how good it is to have vacation ;-)
22:40:18 <CorNouws> thanks! :)  &  bye
22:40:28 <jorendc> bye! :-)
22:40:38 <CorNouws> ;)
23:44:41 <jorendc> good night all
16:01:30 <jmadero> anyone available to try to reproduce a bug, Joren and I attempted and couldn't but the user swears it's a problem across all platforms
16:23:18 <CorNouws> jmadero: if it's not too complicated (basically no time left - unless reducing sleep this night << 5 hrs..)
16:24:17 <jmadero> nah, 5 minutes
16:24:39 <jmadero> fdo#58730
16:24:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium REOPENED paragraph styles line spacing does not stick when also specifying non-zero left and right margins https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58730
16:36:14 <CorNouws> jmadero: ok looking.... (more then 5 BTW ) but confirmed
16:36:21 <CorNouws> jmadero: set the issue to New ?
16:37:28 <jmadero> CorNouws: yes please
16:37:33 <jmadero> ...I wonder why I wasn't able to confirm
16:37:39 <jmadero> thanks for working it out, sorry it was more than 5 :)
16:39:21 <jorendc> mmh, indeed strange
16:39:23 <jorendc> I also tested it
16:39:34 <jorendc> but, maybe I didn't fully close soffice...
16:42:54 <CorNouws> jorendc: would be interesting to see if that indeed is of influence - might give some dev a useful hint ;-)
16:43:11 <jorendc> CorNouws: I will :)
16:43:33 <CorNouws> jorendc: (  if study allows ... ;-) )
16:43:52 <jorendc> I have a little bit MORE than 5 minutes
16:43:55 <jorendc> ;-)
16:45:12 <jorendc> CorNouws: do you know the funny series of 'Komt een man bij de dokter'?
16:45:35 <CorNouws> jorendc: sounds as television? seldom see that ;-)
16:45:45 <jorendc> yes it is :D
16:45:57 <jorendc> quite 'droge humor'
16:45:59 <jorendc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Z6Fb-0KFg
16:46:00 <IZBot> YouTube - Komt Een Man Bij De Dokter - Aflevering 6 by: Mrdennnisdennnis - 28:00
16:46:18 <jorendc> they are all little jokes :D
16:50:43 <jorendc> jmadero: CorNouws you know a method to reset all my styles to default
16:50:44 <jorendc> ?
16:51:10 <jorendc> (I'm testing right now on Ubuntu 12.10 and I try to test with my build (compiled today)
16:51:30 <jmadero> jorendc: I closed the document but not soffice, maybe that was the issue
16:51:38 <jmadero> which of course just means I didn't follow the directions :)
16:51:39 <jorendc> jmadero: me to
16:51:41 <jmadero> not uncommon
16:51:43 <jmadero> :):)
16:52:00 <jmadero> what is thank you again in Dutch?
16:52:07 <jmadero> I'll remember after the 10th time ;0
16:52:07 <jorendc> but the styles are still in my 'styles and formatting'
16:52:08 <jmadero> ;)
16:52:15 <jorendc> "bedankt" jmadero
16:52:15 <jmadero> just right click on them and do delete
16:52:20 <jmadero> CorNouws: bedankt :)
16:52:50 <CorNouws> jmadero: graag gedaan :-) (you're welcome ;-) )
16:52:58 <jorendc> :D
16:52:59 <jmadero> I knew that one :)
16:53:09 <jmadero> lots of g's in Dutch yes?
16:53:39 <jorendc> jmadero: ... not I'm aware of :)
16:53:55 <jorendc> but I think a bit more then in English yes
16:54:19 <jmadero> I just realized something...there are more UNCONFIRMED bugs than previously thought....dangit
16:55:08 <jmadero> these really need to get taken care of ASAP before release of 4, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=202945&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&product=LibreOffice
16:55:11 <jmadero> triaged
16:55:13 <jorendc> jmadero: when I right click on them to delete it ...
16:55:21 <jorendc> and afterwards I create a style with the same name
16:55:30 <jorendc> It'll take over the 'old settings'
16:55:45 <jorendc> for style 1 I had a indentation of about 1 cm ...
16:55:51 <jmadero> jorendc: interesting, then just make a new one instead of calling it style1 call it style4, 5, 6
16:55:52 <jorendc> I delete it, restart soffice
16:56:00 <jmadero> that could be a new bug :)
16:56:06 <jorendc> indeed :)
16:56:27 <jmadero> jorendc: do you have any samba shares setup?
16:56:42 <jorendc> what's samba?
16:57:01 <jmadero> nevermind :) (it's sharing software between Windows/Linux most of the time)
16:57:02 <jorendc> ok ... I don't know what's samba ... so: No I haven't :D
16:57:06 <jmadero> there are a few bugs that are samba related
16:57:15 <jmadero> I use it but was hoping to avoid installing CIFS stuff
16:57:21 <jmadero> I use samba incorrectly :)
16:57:27 <jmadero> to share between Linux machines (no windows machines)
16:57:33 <jorendc> oh ok
16:57:48 <jorendc> jmadero: can you try the following
16:58:07 <jorendc> start writer, create a new paragraph style (some very weard name you never used before)
16:58:39 <jorendc> modifie -> indend and set the indend of a remarkable value (so you can see the effect very good afterwards)
16:58:45 <jorendc> modify*
16:59:07 <jorendc> type 'blabla' in the document and give it that style
16:59:35 <jorendc> delete the style again; close soffice (don't save anything) and restart soffice
16:59:55 <jorendc> -> create new paragraph style with the same name
17:00:09 <jorendc> type some text -> give it that style again ...
17:00:14 <jorendc> if it indends ... it's a bug :D
17:00:26 <jmadero> jorendc: 3.6 or master?
17:00:34 <jorendc> only test it with master
17:00:39 <jorendc> I'll test it with 3.6 right now
17:00:48 <jmadero> I'll test with master
17:00:57 <jorendc> jmadero: thanks
17:01:01 <jorendc> jmadero: bedankt :D
17:01:30 <jmadero> graag gedaan
17:03:24 <jmadero> ....styles are working strange for me in general right now
17:03:33 <jmadero> when I have the styles dialog open I can't click in my document to type
17:03:43 <jmadero> nvm, now I can.....strange, possibly issue with my distro
17:05:06 <jmadero> jorendc: doesn't seem to be a bug for me
17:05:29 <jorendc> mmh, I'll test it again
17:05:38 <jorendc> I can't reproduce with my steps on 3.6 either
17:05:45 <jorendc> pff I think I missed something
17:06:30 <jmadero> I did "facebooksucks" - make it linked to "none", set indentation to 5.5", did text, set style, deleted style, closed without saving, reopened, created style with same name (set link to none, didn't change indentation stuff), wrote stuff, set style, no indentation seen
17:07:14 <jorendc> jmadero: did you altered the 'link'?
17:07:30 <jorendc> I still can reproduce
17:07:34 <jorendc> with name 'style1'
17:07:38 <jorendc> I delete it
17:07:42 <jorendc> close -> reopen
17:07:57 <jorendc> new style -> style1 (without changing anything, just create the name)
17:08:14 <jmadero> ...very strange, can you reproduce with a new style name?
17:08:23 <jorendc> when I set the style1 to a text ...
17:08:29 <jorendc> I get an indentation :s
17:08:38 <jmadero> jorendc: what do you mean did I alter the 'link'?
17:08:50 <jorendc> created style with same name (set link to none
17:08:59 <jorendc> you changed the 'link' to none?
17:11:12 <jmadero> jorendc: yes I did
17:11:19 <jorendc> jmadero: I think I found t he problem
17:11:20 <jmadero> and you're reproducing with a new style as well?
17:11:31 <jorendc> No I can't
17:11:34 <jmadero> what's the problem?
17:11:42 <jorendc> and I think it was the 'linked'
17:12:01 <jorendc> I found out that I link it anyway (didn't know how I did that) to a style with an indentation
17:12:05 <jmadero> I think by default it should link to none
17:12:13 <jmadero> that's probably an enhancement request
17:12:18 <jorendc> indeed
17:12:25 <jmadero> assuming how we want to link is bad, it should just link to none and then allow linking if a user wants that
17:12:26 <jorendc> Maybe I can do that :-)
17:12:30 <jmadero> :)
17:12:40 <jorendc> (the scripting)
17:13:47 <jmadero> (how do you say yes)
17:13:53 <jorendc> ja
17:13:57 <jorendc> no -> nee
17:13:57 <jmadero> I'm going to learn some Dutch since such a big part of our community speaks it
17:14:16 <jmadero> 4 words I didn't know a week ago, badankt, graag gedaan, ja, nee
17:14:25 <jorendc> but jmadero the 'linking' is set because I selected a style in the list
17:14:48 <jmadero> when I do new style, by default linking is set
17:14:50 <jmadero> (I think)
17:14:57 <jmadero> OH I see
17:15:02 <jmadero> if you right click on a style then it links to that automatically
17:15:03 <jorendc> so when I select a style (but I can't select NO style at all...) -> right click -> link with the selected style
17:15:07 <jmadero> ...that might be functional actually :)
17:15:11 <jorendc> but the problem is that you can not UNSELECT it
17:15:35 <jorendc> yes and no ... you can't select nothing :-)
17:15:40 <jmadero> yes you can
17:15:45 <jmadero> go to the very bottom of the list and click on empty space
17:15:51 <jmadero> but then it defaults to linked to "default style"
17:16:41 <jorendc> I can't see 'default styles'
17:17:02 <jmadero> if you click on the very little smount of space on the bottom of the list, you can just do "new" (no option to modify or delete)
17:17:22 <jmadero> nvm
17:17:25 <jmadero> it still links with whatever is highlighted
17:17:29 <jmadero> that needs fixed :)
17:17:37 <jmadero> minor enhancement but it's annoying if you don't know about it
17:18:05 <jorendc> jmadero: it's an enhancement for the people who have no experience with it ...
17:18:19 <jmadero> jorendc: yes, which included us until today :)
17:18:25 <jorendc> but it's a regression for the users who have experience and know what they do :-)
17:18:34 <jorendc> that's right :p
17:18:42 <jmadero> okay I have a potential solution
17:18:43 <jorendc> But I don't use that much 'non default styles'
17:18:52 <jmadero> the top right there is the drop down button
17:18:55 <jmadero> in the styles dialog
17:19:00 <jmadero> we should add an option
17:19:03 <jmadero> "new style"
17:19:11 <jmadero> without "new style form selection"
17:19:13 <jmadero> from*
17:19:22 <jorendc> yes!
17:19:24 <jorendc> that's it :d
17:19:39 <jmadero> ja!
17:19:52 <jorendc> Yes! :d
17:19:53 <jmadero> probably an easy hack, you should try to tackle it :)
17:20:02 <jorendc> I would :D
17:20:05 <jmadero> but, I'm pushing you to do more QA stuff :) we lose too many people to development
17:20:20 <jorendc> I promise that :-)
17:23:23 <jorendc> jmadero: do you have (in english) a same expression for "you can sleep on your both ears"
17:23:34 <jorendc> (= you don't need to worry about that)
17:24:37 <jorendc> because in french they have it (julien told me :p) "dormis sus ses deux oreilles" (or something like that :D
17:31:37 <jorendc> jmadero: "New style from selection" means a "create a style from selected text  (in your document)", not "create a style from the selected style"
17:31:48 <jmadero> jorendc: no such expression from what I know :)
17:31:56 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
17:32:27 <jmadero> jorendc: I see, so it is auto set to "default style"
17:32:39 <jmadero> unless you have manually changed your text to something else
17:32:54 <jorendc> indeed
17:33:01 <jmadero> functional but we should still have another option
17:33:07 <jorendc> indeed :-)
17:33:10 <jorendc> but how to call it
17:33:22 <jorendc> because then we can create 2 buttons:
17:33:32 <jorendc> "create a style from selected style"
17:33:43 <jorendc> and "create a style (without the selected style/text)"
17:34:01 <jmadero> ja
17:35:39 <jmadero> jorendc: have half an hour to triage 5 bugs with me
17:35:41 <jmadero> same time?
17:36:00 <jorendc> and ... what'll be the default setting when you right click -> new ... link the new one with selected (that's now default)  ... or just create a new style
17:36:17 <jorendc> jmadero: ja :-)
17:36:30 <jmadero> that'll have to be a debate, I argue that none should be default, I'm sure others will disagree, first thing is getting the code for the new option
17:36:36 <jmadero> setting default....opens a new can of worms
17:36:40 <jmadero> (do you have a similar saying)
17:36:48 <jmadero> jorendc: okay let's, do it, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56996
17:36:57 <jmadero> you test on master, I'll test on 3.6
17:36:59 <IZBot> bug 56996: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium REOPENED CRASH when FILESAVE particular .odt as .doc or .docx
17:37:00 <jmadero> ?
17:37:02 <jorendc> jmadero: no we don't :D
17:37:07 <jorendc> sure jmadero; like a oiled machine
17:37:10 <jmadero> ah, it's a good saying
17:37:11 <jorendc> an*
17:37:30 <jorendc> opens a new can of worms = start over from scratch?
17:37:40 <jmadero> stirs up another argument/debate
17:37:49 <jorendc> oh ok :d
17:38:01 <jmadero> if someone says "I opened a can of worms" it means "I said something that made a lot of people get involved and disagree"
17:38:06 <jorendc> but bug #56996 now
17:38:09 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium REOPENED CRASH when FILESAVE particular .odt as .doc or .docx https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56996
17:38:33 <jmadero> attachment has been removed...
17:38:46 <jmadero> ah new attachment in comment
17:38:51 <jorendc> jmadero: The attachment you are attempting to access has been removed.
17:38:51 <jorendc> yes
17:39:14 <jmadero> wait
17:39:20 <jmadero> they say with new attachment problem is not reproducible
17:39:30 <jmadero> I'll leave a comment, let's go to next one
17:39:37 <jorendc> no crash indeed
17:40:01 <jorendc> ok, but I need to go for a half hour (going to eat)
17:40:09 <jorendc> but push some bugs to test in current master to me
17:40:13 <jorendc> and you check it with 3.6
17:40:28 <jorendc> I'll leave on every bug a message about the master
17:40:45 <jmadero> sounds good
17:41:02 <jorendc> ok
17:41:07 * jorendc going to eat
17:41:08 <jorendc> brb
17:41:09 <jorendc> :-)
17:44:44 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57198 left comment for you
17:44:48 <IZBot> bug 57198: LibreOffice-Installation critical/medium REOPENED Mac OSX Daily installation package too small and invalid
17:54:13 <jmadero> jorendc: can I get a second opinion on this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58026, I left a comment
17:54:17 <IZBot> bug 58026: LibreOffice-Extensions normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Localization problem for GoogleDocs extension
18:04:10 <jmadero> jorendc: working on this one now https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58055&list_id=202945
18:04:14 <IZBot> bug 58055: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/medium UNCONFIRMED After Recovery hyperlinks in spreadsheet are broken
18:13:21 <jorendc> jmadero: back :-)
18:13:39 * jorendc will check #57198
18:13:42 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Installation critical/medium REOPENED Mac OSX Daily installation package too small and invalid https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57198
18:15:15 <jmadero> jorendc: you're building on OS X yes?
18:15:36 <jorendc> no, can't build on that (have several problem with, and the devers aren't helpful about that :p)
18:15:46 <jorendc> (because of my noobie questions)
18:15:59 <jorendc> but I can download daily's for ith
18:16:02 <jorendc> it*
18:16:27 <jorendc> (every night there is a new build)
18:17:19 <jmadero> ah, my friend is a developer for a living, she wants to get involved but is unhappy with the poor instructions on the wiki
18:17:29 <jmadero> she's been in the business for 5 years but our instructions keep failing for her
18:17:35 <jmadero> I'm going to email Thorsten about that
18:18:33 <jorendc> she build on mac osx?
18:18:51 <jorendc> (good to hear btw she'll involve btw :-) )
18:19:42 <jmadero> she's trying to, but she's new to OS X as well, just bought her first OS X system about two months ago
18:19:47 <jmadero> she's excited to get involved but frustrated at the process
18:20:33 <jorendc> I know her feeling
18:20:54 <jorendc> she certainly need xCodo
18:20:56 <jorendc> xCode*
18:21:15 <jorendc> but I think she already know that :-)
18:21:35 <jorendc> jmadero: you found that extension on the extension website?
18:21:41 <jmadero> yeah, she's found a blog that she said is "pretty good"
18:21:44 <jmadero> I just googled it
18:21:53 <jmadero> but yes it was on the extension website
18:21:56 <jorendc> http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/openoffice.org2googledocs-export-import-to-google-docs-zoho-webdav
18:22:10 <jorendc> but the .oxt isn't the same name as julien mention
18:22:50 <jmadero> hm, does that mean it was updated?
18:23:08 <jorendc> Warning     This product has not had a release in over 1 year and may no longer be maintained.
18:23:21 <jorendc> ... if I can believe this message  not
18:23:29 <jmadero> yeah I saw that....
18:23:35 <jmadero> wonder where Julian got that extension then
18:23:41 <jmadero> marking as NEEDINFO and asking him for a link
18:23:42 <jorendc> i'll leave a comment
18:23:45 <jmadero> okay
18:23:46 <jmadero> you can do that :)
18:23:48 <jorendc> and idd change it to NI
18:23:50 <jmadero> NEEDINFO and a link would help
18:26:44 <jmadero> this one: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58055&list_id=202945, I can't reproduce a crash, I'm not sure what Rainer means with "do some research"
18:26:48 <IZBot> bug 58055: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/medium UNCONFIRMED After Recovery hyperlinks in spreadsheet are broken
18:27:17 <jmadero> jorendc: I think you know but Julien is a lead developer :)
18:29:01 <jmadero> nice I forced a crash :)
18:29:12 <jorendc> lead developer -> a core developer :-)?
18:29:23 <jmadero> I guess I should say "a very active developer"
18:29:24 <jorendc> or even higher than a core developer?
18:29:37 <jorendc> oh no, didn't know that :-)
18:29:47 <jorendc> I surely do know that he was a dev
18:29:53 <jorendc> but not that kind of :-)
18:29:58 <jmadero> I was able to reproduce fdo#58055
18:30:02 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/medium UNCONFIRMED After Recovery hyperlinks in spreadsheet are broken https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58055
18:30:03 <jmadero> with master
18:30:36 <jorendc> how did you reproduce?
18:30:43 <jorendc> (I mean, what is 'research' :D)
18:31:16 <jmadero> I just forced a crash myself
18:31:19 <jmadero> no research needed
18:31:41 <jorendc> how to force crash :-)?
18:32:27 <jorendc> the text on the second slide is quite blurry
18:32:44 <jmadero> run soffice from terminal, change the file slightly then in terminal do ctrl + c
18:32:51 <jmadero> when you open soffice again it'll be recovery mode
18:33:32 <jmadero> nvm, didn't reproduce that time
18:34:19 <jorendc> no recovery mode here :s
18:34:23 <jorendc> (when crashing)
18:34:45 <jmadero> even after you changed the file (add text somewhere)
18:34:49 <jmadero> if you don't change the file it won't go into recovery
18:34:55 <jmadero> has to be triggered that you changed the file without saving
18:35:44 <jmadero> left a comment for Rainer, he's one of the most experienced QA'ers
18:35:57 <jorendc> I know that one :D
18:36:04 <jorendc> jmadero: ... still no recovery mode
18:36:05 <jorendc> :s
18:36:13 <jmadero> interesting :-/
18:36:26 <jmadero> master ?
18:36:43 <jorendc> I add text, I replaced some text, on the second slide I drag the image a bit
18:36:45 <jorendc> yes
18:36:46 <jorendc> latest
18:37:18 <jorendc> I'll try with a bibisect version
18:37:23 <jorendc> (i hope i can test it with that
18:39:49 <jorendc> mmh, strange behavior
18:42:05 <jorendc> nops, certainly a bug
18:42:09 <jmadero> nice, we're getting through these unconfirmed bugs :)
18:42:22 <jmadero> what is a bug?
18:43:09 <jorendc> no recovery window ...
18:43:33 <jorendc> with the latest bibisectable version: crash -> restart -> recovery
18:43:48 <jmadero> that's really strange
18:43:52 <jorendc> with my build: crash -> restart -> no recovery and it starts directly to writer
18:44:08 <jorendc> but I call soffice
18:44:15 <jorendc> install/program/soffice
18:44:24 <jorendc> but that behavior was already before
18:45:36 <jorendc> (not new, but newer than the latest bibisectable version... because when I launch soffice -> splashscreen where I can select the good window
18:46:31 <jmadero> jorendc: you might want to watch convo right now in dev room
18:46:37 <jmadero> policy conversation
19:00:06 <jmadero> jorendc: what's your email address?
19:00:26 <jorendc> joren.libreoffice@telenet.be
19:01:19 <jorendc> saw your mail about QA call :-)
19:04:11 <jorendc> jmadero: ... no crash recovery window ...
19:04:15 <jorendc> what kind of priority?
19:04:28 <jorendc> I would like to 'critical'...
19:04:56 <jmadero> I think it would be critical, I know for sure I can't reproduce :) put your build version on there
19:05:01 <jmadero> can you get the recovery window with 3.6?
19:05:15 <jmadero> run soffice from within /opt/libreoffice3.6/program
19:06:31 <jorendc> I'll try :-)
19:07:35 <jorendc> can't run that command :s
19:08:59 <jorendc> solved it :-)
19:09:05 <jorendc> libreoffice --writer
19:09:06 <jmadero> ./soffice
19:09:13 <jmadero> ./soffice.bin
19:09:13 <jmadero> or ./soffice
19:09:16 <jorendc> http://askubuntu.com/questions/80977/how-does-one-find-out-the-command-line-corresponding-to-gui-app-eg-libreoffice
19:09:17 <jorendc> :-)
19:09:24 <jmadero> should run it and get you to the splash screen
19:10:03 <jorendc> yeps .. recovery screen
19:11:28 <jmadero> oh you got the recovery screen?
19:11:32 <jmadero> but not with master....that's no good
19:12:14 <jorendc> indeed
19:12:23 <jorendc> filed a bug
19:12:30 <jorendc> #59141
19:12:35 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED No recovery window after a crash https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59141
19:13:25 <jmadero> nice :)
19:13:26 <jorendc> I also do report that: when I call soffice ... I go directly to writer by default
19:13:39 <jmadero> ./soffice.bin fixes that
19:13:49 <jmadero> or should I believe
19:13:57 <jorendc> mmh
19:14:21 <jorendc> strange, because I can remember 2 weeks ago I got the splashscreen ... (by calling just 'soffice'
19:14:33 <jmadero> yes, I remember talking to someone about this
19:14:42 <jmadero> one of the developers, I agree it's not ideal, soffice should ALWAYS call splash
19:14:49 <jmadero> but I think something is triggered at some point and then writer is default
19:15:23 <jorendc> yes, it need to call ALWAYS splash ...
19:16:01 <jorendc> because you have menu items like: "LibreOffice" "LibreOffice writer" "LibreOffice calc"
19:16:02 <jorendc> etc
19:16:20 <jmadero> it's actually called the startup center or somehing like that
19:16:28 <jmadero> the splash is the image that comes up right at the beginning
19:16:44 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
19:17:13 <jorendc> but you know what I mean ;-)
19:17:20 <jmadero> ja
19:17:42 <jmadero> do you use Dvorak keyboard layout in Europe (random question)
19:17:46 <jmadero> I'm trying to change to Dvorak
19:18:21 <jorendc> no :p
19:18:31 <jorendc> In belgium we have a AZERTY keyboard :D
19:18:35 <jorendc> same as the french
19:18:45 <jmadero> AZERTY really? never even heard of that
19:18:58 <jorendc> that's an inheritance from our past I think :-)
19:19:02 <jorendc> yeps
19:19:09 <jmadero> ours is even worse
19:19:17 <jmadero> it's specifically designed to be dysfunctional
19:19:29 <jmadero> but it's hard because I can type 100+ per minute
19:19:32 <jmadero> so changing becomes an issue
19:19:40 <jmadero> but I'm having health issues because of it
19:19:48 <jorendc> jmadero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY
19:19:57 <jmadero> looking now :)
19:20:10 <jorendc> oh :s health issues :s?
19:20:14 <jorendc> RSI?
19:20:28 <jmadero> yeah
19:20:29 <jmadero> bad
19:20:37 <jorendc> ow :s
19:20:47 <jorendc> how did you do that
19:20:47 <jmadero> only 27 so yeah, no good
19:20:53 <jorendc> just type VERY much?
19:20:56 <jorendc> :s indeed; no good
19:20:58 <jmadero> and I type very hard
19:21:05 <jmadero> because I type so fast I tend to push really hard
19:21:20 <jorendc> oh, that's indeed damaging
19:21:27 <jmadero> my pinky's are constantly hurting, taking 2 weeks off for the holidays helped but I'm feeling it again now
19:21:45 <jorendc> :s and it will ever heal?
19:22:00 <jorendc> or is it 'chronical' (I mean ... it'll be a bit better, but always there)
19:22:21 <jmadero> not sure, my wife's recommendation is "stop using the computer", but that's a bad option
19:22:30 <jmadero> supposedly dvorak helps a lot
19:22:30 <jorendc> haha :-)
19:23:26 <jorendc> you'll buy one
19:23:32 <jorendc> never used one before :p
19:23:48 <jorendc> I can type on QWERTY (I learned that on school)
19:24:08 <jorendc> because on my school we Linux computers and there is a ICT departion
19:25:21 <jmadero> yeah QWERTY is useless
19:25:52 <jorendc> azerty isn't better :-)
19:25:57 <jorendc> same story
19:27:59 <jmadero> jorendc:  can you test this https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56096&list_id=202945
19:28:10 <IZBot> bug 56096: LibreOffice-Installation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EXTENSION "Copy only visible cells" causes Error Message
19:28:59 <jorendc> jmadero: julien replyed on our NEEDINFO (extension)
19:29:03 <jorendc> I will test
19:30:18 <jmadero> I'll take a look at Julien's right ow
19:30:34 <jmadero> oh you already did
19:30:36 <jmadero> nice
19:30:41 <jorendc> jmadero: indeed; can confirm :-
19:31:03 <jmadero> strange that it worked before from the link you and I used
19:31:29 <jorendc> that's another version
19:31:34 <jmadero> older version yes?
19:31:37 <jorendc> I don't know it's a 100% branching
19:31:43 <jorendc> I think so
19:32:13 <jorendc> jmadero: file a bug with my 'no start up screen' 'issue'?
19:33:03 <jmadero> jorendc: not quite yet, I want to discuss that with developer
19:33:08 <jmadero> I know that this came up before
19:33:11 <jmadero> just forget what was said:)
19:33:14 <jorendc> okay :-)
19:36:31 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe an improvement/feature for bugzilla
19:36:42 <jorendc> A option to set 'how many times tried to reproduce'
19:37:28 <jmadero> unfortunately fdo is managed by 1 admin and he's WAY overworked
19:37:43 <jmadero> and any change has to be kind of "approved" by everyone using FDO
19:37:54 <jmadero> (this is why there is off and on convos about getting our own bug tracking system)
19:37:57 <jorendc> pff, okay :D
19:38:16 <jorendc> bugzilla isn't managed by our 'own' dev?
19:38:57 * jorendc requests a new link from jmadero
19:38:58 <jmadero> no
19:39:04 <jorendc> oh ok
19:39:13 <jmadero> we have a contract with FDO
19:39:20 <jmadero> I believe
19:39:35 <jmadero> jorendc: did you take a look at this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56096&list_id=202945
19:39:39 <IZBot> bug 56096: LibreOffice-Installation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EXTENSION "Copy only visible cells" causes Error Message
19:40:04 <jorendc> yes
19:40:10 <jorendc> already made a comment
19:40:12 <jorendc> can't reproduce either
19:40:42 <jorendc> but it's maybe better to set status to 'needinfo'
19:40:50 <jorendc> (although it's a bug from rainer)
19:41:07 <jorendc> ?
19:41:22 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
19:41:24 <jmadero> yeah I marked as WFM
19:41:26 <jorendc> I see
19:41:33 <jmadero> I'll take the heat if it's wrong
19:41:47 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58204&list_id=202945
19:41:51 <jorendc> I think rainer will understand ...
19:41:51 <IZBot> bug 58204: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Textbox properties export to PPT bad (Impress)
19:41:52 <jmadero> I'll do 3.6
19:41:57 <jorendc> ok
19:44:49 <jmadero> pretty bad with 3.6
19:45:02 <jmadero> let me send you the document, then you can compare with 4
19:45:09 <jmadero> if master is worse, leave version and leave regression
19:45:15 <jmadero> if it's the same, we'll make it 3.6 and remove regression
19:45:32 <jorendc> just upload a screenshot of your document
19:45:36 <jorendc> I'll do afterward the same
19:45:54 <jorendc> I'll compare it when I write my comment and base my comment on what I can see
19:47:19 <jorendc> I think we can delete 'regression'... it's also pretty bad with 4.1
19:47:42 <jorendc> (oh, maybe not, I don't know with what version you're testing)
19:47:44 <jmadero> but if it's worse for you, then I say leave it :)
19:47:48 <jmadero> I'm uploading pdf now
19:48:47 <jmadero> my pdf is up
19:49:21 <jorendc> mmh, my view is worse
19:49:39 <jmadero> okay leave as regression, comment and upload pdf would be good
19:49:47 <jmadero> I'd say Normal - Medium is fine
19:50:20 <jmadero> unless a more "normal" ppt displays similar behavior, this ppt has a lot of rotations going on
19:50:39 <jmadero> you going to bibisect or you want me to?
19:51:36 <jorendc> mmh, quite hard to bibisect... not?
19:51:56 <jorendc> I'll try to do it jmadero
19:52:11 <jmadero> okay, just see if in the earliest version of 4 it was as bad as yours is now
19:52:16 <jmadero> if it's not, bibisect should be straight forward
19:52:29 <jorendc> ok :-)
19:56:36 <jmadero> I've been putting off these bugs....I really don't want to tackle them https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52575&list_id=202945
19:56:40 <IZBot> bug 52575: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED 0310 COMBINING CANDRABINDU double-rendered in Graphite font
19:56:44 <jmadero> there are a few related bugs from the same person
19:57:23 <jorendc> phiew :s
19:57:27 <jorendc> Is that english :D?
19:58:14 <jmadero> no, which means I have to go through localization crap which I hate doing
19:58:28 <jmadero> I'm skipping again, lol
19:59:20 <jmadero> jorendc: do you have a Windows install also?
19:59:34 <jorendc> yes, I have a dual boot
19:59:48 <jmadero> lol I keep handing tasks to you (sorry) haha
19:59:54 <jmadero> I only have Linux, installign Windows is a headache
20:00:03 <jmadero> if you have one last triage in you, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58252&list_id=202945
20:00:07 <IZBot> bug 58252: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Wrong exteral editing tools for SVG
20:01:43 <jmadero> bibisecting that one bug?
20:02:44 <jorendc> I'm currently chatting with julien
20:02:49 <jorendc> about my bug
20:02:52 <jorendc> (recovery window)
20:02:58 <jorendc> he needs more info
20:03:14 <jmadero> I'll bisect that one :)
20:03:17 <jmadero> I'm feeling useless right now
20:04:11 <jorendc> sure :-)
20:04:15 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry for that one
20:04:28 <jorendc> I had only the time to 'git bibisect start' :p
20:04:28 <jmadero> jorendc: no no, you've done a lot
20:05:22 <jorendc> I'm trying to do a backtrace
20:05:35 <jorendc> But I don't know how to do it :p so julien is helping e
20:06:41 <jmadero> bt is tough :)
20:06:53 <jmadero> great....I can't even save as ppt from bibisect
20:07:15 <jorendc> with oldest?
20:07:42 <jmadero> yeah, trying with next step now
20:08:31 <jmadero> okay next step worked
20:08:34 <jorendc> ok :-)
20:09:16 <jmadero> nope, bibisect useless, borked from the beginning
20:09:49 <jmadero> trying bibisect 3.6 to see if I see regressions there
20:17:37 <jmadero> Sweetshark: any pointers http://pastebin.com/ChuV3zHX, trying to bisect using 3.6, first step works fine, then I get that error
20:26:07 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm heading out for a bit
20:26:09 <jmadero> don't work too hard :)
20:26:56 <jorendc> haha, i'm still struggling with dbg :(
20:27:04 <jorendc> jmadero: see ya
20:27:33 <jmadero> next Dutch lesson will be "hello" and "goodbye"
20:27:35 <jmadero> and "see you soon"
20:27:36 <jmadero> haha
20:27:37 <jmadero> bye
21:04:43 <Sweetshark> jmadero: maybe just use 'bisect skip'?
21:05:00 <Sweetshark> anyway, /me is gone for today.
21:05:28 <jorendc> I'll tell him Sweetshark
21:05:32 <jorendc> he's away for a while
21:05:44 <jorendc> when I see him, I shall tell that
08:38:01 <JBFaure> kendy: I tried tu use Persona on LO 4.0 but it does not work for me (did a make dev-install). I do not know if it is a network problem or something else. But LO does nothing and does not remember the persona url.
08:55:10 <kendy> JBFaure: Interesting - what is top commit you have?
08:55:31 <kendy> JBFaure: It got to the branch just yesterday, so...
08:58:03 <JBFaure> kendy: the current last : Version 4.0.0.0.beta2+ (Build ID: 948ea6900bbe26cdcba89ca1652ff91e6d09fa1)
09:00:08 <kendy> JBFaure: That does not contain the Persona drawing code, just the UI...
09:00:35 <kendy> JBFaure: If you want to try it, you have to build the libreoffice-4-0 branch
09:01:24 <kendy> JBFaure: Wrt. not remembering the URL - it is not necessary to remember that, the pictures are downloaded & stored locally.  But because you are the 2nd one who is confused by that, I suppose I should do something about that ;-)
09:01:39 <JBFaure> kendy: I am on libreoffice-4-0 branch
09:02:41 <kendy> JBFaure: So what does git log -1 say?  I need that commit ID to be sure :-)
09:03:28 <JBFaure> kendy: commit 948ea6900bbe26cdcba89ca1652ff91e6d09fa13
09:03:28 <JBFaure> Author: Markus Mohrhard <markus.mohrhard@googlemail.com>
09:03:28 <JBFaure> Date:   Wed Jan 9 07:20:13 2013 +0100
09:03:28 <JBFaure> accidently moved that line around
09:03:29 <JBFaure> 
09:03:29 <JBFaure> Change-Id: I8a6bbe161a91140e1ee2aca36ba848a02286108f
09:03:30 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=948ea6900bbe26cdcba89ca1652ff91e6d09fa13 in a couple of minutes
09:06:51 <kendy> JBFaure: That is correct; hmm - so what exactly do you do, I'll try to replicate here, can you lead me step by step?
09:08:02 <kendy> JBFaure: So far I've started LO & got to Tools -> Options... -> Personalization.
09:08:09 <kendy> JBFaure: What do you do now?
09:08:54 <JBFaure> kendy: select Use own Persona -> click the button Select Persona
09:10:00 <kendy> I'm there
09:10:04 <kendy> what now?
09:11:13 <JBFaure> kendy: got the dialog First visit Firefox Personas ... -> click the button "Visit Firefox Personas" -> that open the page http://www.getpersonas.com/fr/ in FF (note the /fr/ at the end of the url)
09:11:50 <kendy> JBFaure: I'm there :-)
09:12:18 <JBFaure> kendy: the go to the LO personas in FF : http://www.getpersonas.com/fr/persona/491370
09:13:46 <JBFaure> kendy: copy url and paste in the LO dialog then click OK button (no change) -> OK button in option dialog -> no change
09:14:23 <kendy> JBFaure: Yes, that's expected - now do [OK] for the Options dialog, and you should see it :-)
09:14:50 <kendy> JBFaure: But this is confusing too - there should be a preview in the Personalization dialog for the user to see that something happened
09:15:03 <JBFaure> kendy: I did, no change for me
09:15:21 <kendy> JBFaure: Here it worked; hmm
09:15:38 <kendy> JBFaure: So; let's go further
09:16:02 <kendy> JBFaure: in your user settings
09:16:53 <kendy> JBFaure: Do you have the directory like ~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/personas/
09:16:56 <kendy> ?
09:17:08 <kendy> JBFaure: And do you have LO_persona_header.png there?
09:18:19 <JBFaure> kendy: no personas folder in gallery :-(
09:18:36 <kendy> JBFaure: That's not correct
09:19:00 <kendy> JBFaure: When you try to mkdir that, does it work?
09:19:39 <JBFaure> kendy: yes
09:20:25 <kendy> JBFaure: Can you restart LO now, and try if that was the issue?
09:20:35 <JBFaure> kendy: maybe the same root cause as fdo#59062
09:20:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Failure on connexion for e-mailing https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59062
09:20:58 <JBFaure> kendy: yes but did that already several times ;-)
09:22:14 <JBFaure> kendy: ~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/personas/ still empty :-(
09:22:15 <kendy> JBFaure: I mean, when you've created the personas/ subdir now, if it works now.
09:22:22 <kendy> drats
09:23:05 <kendy> JBFaure: So - please add SAL_DEBUG( "gallery: " << gallery ); after osl::Directory::createPath( gallery ); in cui/source/options/personalization.cxx
09:24:03 <kendy> JBFaure: And SAL_DEBUG( "header: " << aHeaderFile ); before xFileAccess->copy( aHeaderURL, gallery + aHeaderFile ); few lines after
09:24:59 <kendy> JBFaure: And then make debug=true cui
09:25:22 <kendy> JBFaure: And restart, and see if the code hits this, and what it writes as gallery: and header: ?
09:25:47 <JBFaure> kendy: ok, will do
09:26:00 <kendy> JBFaure: Thanks so much - this is a mystery
09:27:18 <kendy> JBFaure: Also do SAL_DEBUG( "URL: " << rURL ); at the start of bool SvxPersonalizationTabPage::CopyPersonaToGallery( const OUString &rURL ) [before the // init the input stream]
09:38:52 <JBFaure> kendy: I got the message : debug: URL: http://www.getpersonas.com/persona/491370
09:39:32 <JBFaure> kendy: and the url I pasted is http://www.getpersonas.com/fr/persona/491370 (with /fr/)
09:40:55 <kendy> JBFaure: Yes, I sanitize the url, because it sometimes comes with https://, and there were some trouble handling that; but it is the same picture and everything, isn't it?
09:41:54 <kendy> JBFaure: But if 'debug: URL: ' is the only thing you've got, we somehow fail to read the stream
09:42:57 <JBFaure> kendy: I do not know because FF goes to http://www.getpersonas.com/fr : there is a redirection
09:44:34 <kendy> JBFaure: So let's add more messages; some kind of SAL_DEBUG( "1" ); just before uno::Reference< io::XInputStream > xStream;, and SAL_DEBUG( "2" ); before // read the persona specification, and SAL_DEBUG( "3" ); before xStream->closeInput(); ?
09:49:45 <JBFaure> kendy: I got : debug: 1 , debug: 2 and debug: 3 after the debug: URL ... message
09:59:22 <kendy> JBFaure: Huh - OK, so now SAL_DEBUG( "A" ); at the beginning of parsePersonaInfo(), and "B", "C", etc. before every searchValue() please
10:05:06 <JBFaure> kendy: I got only debug: A (after previous debug:)
10:09:31 <kendy> JBFaure: So let's try SAL_DEBUG( "persona html content: " << rBuffer ); instead of the SAL_DEBUG( "A" );, redirect the LO output to a file, and pastebin it for me, please
10:09:50 <kendy> JBFaure: Like, ./soffice > .log 2>&1
10:10:25 * kendy is really curious what is going on there :-)
10:14:56 <JBFaure> kendy: nothing else than "debug: persona html content:"
10:17:55 <kendy> JBFaure: So it looks like from some reason the page is not read; but why doesn't it fail already on opening?
10:18:16 <kendy> JBFaure: And why does it fail in the first place when it works  for me...
10:19:29 <JBFaure> kendy: perhaps I am missing a config option ?
10:20:00 <kendy> JBFaure: Might be - what is the content of your autogen.lastrun?
10:20:08 <JBFaure> kendy: --without-junit
10:20:08 <JBFaure> --enable-ext-presenter-minimizer
10:20:08 <JBFaure> --with-lang=en-US fr
10:20:09 <JBFaure> --enable-graphite
10:20:09 <JBFaure> --with-system-cairo
10:20:09 <JBFaure> --without-doxygen
10:20:09 <JBFaure> --enable-ext-nlpsolver
10:20:10 <JBFaure> --with-system-openssl
10:20:10 <JBFaure> --disable-neon
10:20:11 <JBFaure> --with-system-openldap
10:20:11 <JBFaure> --with-parallelism=2
10:20:12 <JBFaure> --enable-python=internal
10:20:24 <kendy> JBFaure: --disable-neon :-)
10:20:29 <kendy> JBFaure: Mystery solved
10:20:43 <kendy> JBFaure: That disables the http:// access
10:20:53 <JBFaure> kendy: Argh !!!
10:21:31 <kendy> JBFaure: :-) - please try with that enabled, hopefully that's really it :-)
10:22:17 <JBFaure> kendy: do I need to do a make clean first ?
10:22:57 <kendy> JBFaure: Not sure - try first without & see, I'd suggest.
10:23:14 <JBFaure> kendy: ok. build in progress :-)
10:33:40 <JBFaure> kendy: partial build fails with : [build LNK] Library/libneon.so
10:33:40 <JBFaure> /home/jbf/LibO/master/workdir/unxlngx6.pro/GenCObject/UnpackedTarball/neon/src/ne_openssl.o: In function `ne_ssl_context_create':
10:33:40 <JBFaure> ne_openssl.c:(.text+0xb65): undefined reference to `SSLv2_server_method'
10:34:04 <JBFaure> kendy: will try a complete build.
10:39:36 <kendy> JBFaure: :-(
10:39:47 <kendy> JBFaure: Thanks again for trying that!
10:42:06 <JBFaure> kendy: you're welcome :-)
10:48:56 <JBFaure> kendy: same error message. I suspect a dependency problem.
10:59:27 <JBFaure> kendy: found that : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-June/032959.html. Same error solved by adding --disable-neon in autogen :-(
11:19:31 <Sweetshark> hmm
11:19:55 <Sweetshark> no instant clue where that is coming from ..
11:26:13 <kendy> JBFaure: So I'd remove also --with-system-openssl from you autogen.lastrun, no idea what is different in your system one
11:27:18 <kendy> JBFaure: Apparently there is a missing symbol there, but no idea why
11:28:37 <JBFaure> kendy: I am building without --with-system-openssl. Will know soon ;-)
11:28:40 <Sweetshark> JBFaure: see https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=dev-tools.git;a=blob;f=bibisect/build.sh;h=42427226aaa73b4764d0181f5c40aa4105809b67;hb=HEAD#l82 for how I build master up until recently on 12.04 for bibisect ...
12:00:52 <JBFaure> kendy: It works !!!
12:02:44 <JBFaure> kendy: Sweetshark: for the record : to have persona working you need to remove --disable-neon AND --with-system-openssl from autogen.lastrun
12:30:12 <kendy> JBFaure: Glad to hear that :-)
12:33:19 <JBFaure> kendy: is it possible to have the same problem with a release build ? In that case it could be useful to have an error message somewhere.
12:34:10 <kendy> JBFaure: Shouldn't be; the release build should neon on, otherwise nothing accessing http works - the extensions etc.
12:34:18 <kendy> JBFaure: Update service neither
12:35:55 <JBFaure> kendy: ok. So will check other bugs related to internet connexion, like fdo#59062
12:35:57 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Failure on connexion for e-mailing https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59062
12:36:57 <kendy> JBFaure: I don't think this exact one is related, as this seems to be in Python code, but who knows ;-)
12:37:35 <kendy> JBFaure: My guess would be that this one is Python3-related
12:40:43 <JBFaure> kendy: Ah, this reminds me that we have a big problem with lightproof in LO 4.0 (Grammalecte does not install anymore, whatever the version is). Will ask Laszlo.
15:53:20 <jmadero> jorendc: hallo
15:53:31 <jmadero> hoe gaat het?
16:04:47 <jorendc> hi jmadero :D
16:04:51 <jorendc> sorry, didn't saw you
16:04:58 <jorendc> it's going well jmadero :D danku
16:05:14 <jorendc> met mij gaat alles goed. Hoe gaat het met jou?
16:07:16 <jmadero> alles is geweldig
16:07:18 <jmadero> :)
16:07:26 <jmadero> my hands are freezing though
16:08:06 <jorendc> you just went outside?
16:08:15 <jmadero> just got to work, but my hands are always cold :)
16:08:19 <jorendc> or because of your RSI? :-)
16:08:28 <jmadero> nah, just have cold hands/feet
16:08:33 <jorendc> I read that cold hands is a symptom of RSI :p
16:08:38 <jmadero> great ;)
16:08:50 <jorendc> no problem; I have also cold hands and feet
16:09:00 <jorendc> so have I RSI ;-)?
16:09:04 <kendy> jmadero, jorendc: You guys are Dutch?  Are you planing to go to FOSDEM? ;-)
16:09:23 <jmadero> kendy: no ;) just trying to pick up some of the language
16:09:27 <jorendc> kendy: I'm Belgian (Brussels is here 30 km off or so :p)
16:09:34 <jmadero> I feel like "that stupid American" who can only speak English
16:09:35 <jmadero> :)
16:09:57 <jmadero> kendy: and no, much too expensive to go all the way from the States
16:10:12 <jorendc> but kendy I'm studying for my examens, and my exams end ond Januari 31; ... but then I go probably on vacation :-)
16:10:20 <jmadero> hoping that as LibO grows I can lead some of the conference stuff here :)
16:10:22 <kendy> jmadero: I thought I remembered you were from the US, but this conversation confused me :-)
16:10:35 <jorendc> :D
16:10:40 <jmadero> haha, trying to learn it :) mostly just google translate
16:10:42 <jorendc> kendy: you understand Dutch?
16:10:45 <jmadero> but I'm pretty good with logic and language
16:11:17 <jmadero> jorendc: any idea how the unconfirmed bugs are doing?
16:11:33 <kendy> jorendc: I'm trying to organize t-shirts for FOSDEM, so after searching for a printing shop in Belgium, I can detect Dutch ;-)
16:11:45 <jorendc> jmadero: you know Dutch is one of the most difficult languages to learn
16:11:57 <jorendc> haha :-), nice kendy
16:11:59 <jmadero> jorendc: I think English is supposed to be the most difficult (could be wrong though)
16:12:04 <jmadero> kendy: how is the t-shirt search going?
16:12:21 <jmadero> kendy: I'm debating if I can ask if I can purchase one of those even though I won't be there ;)
16:12:27 <jmadero> who is designing the shirt?
16:13:03 <jmadero> has RC1 been released?
16:13:05 <jmadero> I haven't seen a notice
16:13:07 <jorendc> jmadero: mmh ... maybe... but English is everywhere nowadays... so when I grow up you already learned a lot of English (movies, internet, multimedia, ...)
16:13:10 <kendy> jmadero: I asked the Design team some time ago, but not sure if there was a result.  So either them, or I'll do just something very simple, I guess.
16:13:24 <jmadero> kendy: nice :)
16:13:49 <kendy> jmadero: And yes, I'm sure it'll be possible to ship you one :-)
16:15:14 <jorendc> kendy: you'll be present on FOSDEM?
16:16:01 <kendy> jorendc: So, when you are from Belgium, I'm sure you'll be more successful in searching - can you please try to find a t-shirt printing shop ideally directly in Brussels?  So far I have http://www.printbox.be and http://www.graphibe.be, but none of them is located in Brussels, and with FOSDEM in just 3 weeks, I am afraid of shipping it from somewhere else ;-)
16:16:05 <jmadero> kendy: nice :) I'm going to ask the design team to design another shirt as well
16:16:07 <kendy> jorendc: I'll be there, yes
16:16:50 <jmadero> 78 unconfirmed bugs still.....dangit
16:17:05 <jmadero> I'm going to try to get through all of them today ;)
16:17:05 <jorendc> kendy: I'll have a look
16:17:20 <jorendc> jmadero: good, I'll help off course :D
16:17:28 <jorendc> kendy: you're core dev,
16:17:29 <jorendc> ?*
16:17:51 <jmadero> jorendc: bedankt
16:17:59 <jmadero> I have a feeling at least 30 of them I won't be able to do
16:18:07 <jmadero> either too technical or I'll need to setup shares and crazy stuff to test
16:18:26 <jorendc> jmadero: for me the same ... when I scroll through that list ... I lose my confidence
16:18:44 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe get 30 done today is better plan :)
16:18:52 <jmadero> then start pinging developers to do some of the other ones
16:19:00 <jorendc> yeah, that's a good one
16:19:02 <jmadero> or see if Sweetshark has a spare ....day
16:19:12 <jorendc> we'll try to reproduce like yesterday?
16:19:30 <jmadero> yeah just give me a few, I was given a task at work (they think it's a two hour task, it's a 5 minute task)
16:19:37 <jorendc> you master this time, I 3.6.4?
16:19:42 <jorendc> haha :D
16:20:00 <jmadero> jorendc: sure, but I wish I had branched to 4.0.....
16:20:34 <jorendc> please verify you didn't forgot something then :p... I don't want you get in trouble
16:20:49 <jmadero> are you running 4.1 master or branched?
16:21:07 <jorendc> jmadero: wait 10 more minutes; I'm first going to help kendy and try to find a printshop in brussels
16:21:16 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm running 4.1
16:21:17 <kendy> jorendc: Yes, core dev.
16:21:18 <jorendc> master
16:21:25 <kendy> jorendc: Thanks so much!
16:21:41 <jmadero> ah, see I think that's "okay" but after talking to a couple devs, we should have branched
16:21:42 <jmadero> but oh well
16:21:50 <jmadero> if it works on 4.1 it's almost sure to be working on 4.0 also
16:21:56 <jmadero> the code is nearly identical from my understanding
16:26:04 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe a good plan is to really quickly go through the bugs against 4 and see if they are filed by developers, leave that generic message for them
16:26:07 <jmadero> I think quite a few of them are
16:26:45 <jmadero> jorendc: and just because most of the world speaks English doesn't excuse Americans ONLY knowing English ;)
16:26:46 <jorendc> ok :-)
16:26:56 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=203492&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&product=LibreOffice
16:27:02 <jmadero> how about you start at the beginning, I'll start at the end
16:27:06 <jmadero> just go through looking for name that look familiar
16:27:21 <jmadero> let's think of the text that we'll put really quick
16:27:21 <jorendc> jmadero: No I know :D; You guys have many native Spanish speakers
16:27:22 <jorendc> not?
16:27:45 <jmadero> hm, perhaps, a lot of Mexican Americans who speak Spanish
16:28:05 <jmadero> it's not unusual for caucasions to think "I only should have to speak English"
16:28:10 <jmadero> I speak Spanish though :)
16:28:54 <jmadero> I should speak Portuguese and Italian (my ancestry) but I don't unfortunately
16:30:04 <jorendc> kendy: http://www.triotrade.be/index.php?page=textiel
16:30:34 <jmadero> kendy: maybe we should make a "to do" list for next year so that this is done in advance....I think we need a "secretary" or "calendar keeper" at least
16:31:29 <jorendc> It's in Antwerp... Antwerp = 45 km off brussels
16:34:11 <jmadero> jorendc: I don't think they are driving
16:34:28 <jmadero> jorendc: that's why they were hoping within Brussels, but, could you pick them up in advance?
16:34:35 <jmadero> maybe hand them off to Kendy?
16:35:05 <jorendc> mmh, kendy I saw an email passing by from another belgian who was able to receive sended T-shirts and bring it to the FOSDEM?
16:35:47 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm not sure I'm on vacation then or not...
16:36:01 <jmadero> jorendc: oh yeah forgot about that :)
16:36:14 <jorendc> probably I'm :-), so I don't want to promise anything for that
16:36:34 <jorendc> I CAN if I'm sure I don't go anywhere :-)...
16:36:40 <kendy> jorendc: Yes, if there's nothing directly in Brussels, I'm about to ask Lionel Dricot to take them there
16:37:06 <kendy> Ie. to send the packet to him in avance.
16:37:16 <jorendc> kendy: or maybe someone from Germany/france/Netherlands (like Cor Nouws)...
16:37:59 <jorendc> but that's the same ... send it to someone else who'll be there with a car
16:38:10 <kendy> jorendc: Yes, Cor wrote that he'll try to find something too; but his time is limited these days
16:38:21 <jorendc> that's true
16:38:53 <jmadero> it seems like our teams are more stretched than ever :-/
16:38:54 <jmadero> for time
16:38:59 <kendy> Another fun possibility would be to send them to the hotel ;-) - but no idea if they'd be able to agree to such a thing ;-)
16:39:09 <jmadero> kendy: it's worth a try:)
16:39:34 <kendy> jmadero: :-)
16:41:42 <kendy> jorendc: Thanks for the searching!  I'll try to contact the three (http://www.triotrade.be, http://www.printbox.be and http://www.graphibe.be), hopefully at least one of them will be available, have reasonable prices etc. ;-)
16:41:50 <jorendc> :-)
16:45:57 <jmadero> jorendc: okay so the text for the bugs that are submitted by devs
16:46:13 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53613
16:46:15 <IZBot> bug 53613: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PRINTING: When printing a presentation based on some of the default designs the background is small
16:46:16 <jorendc> I'm working on that one
16:46:24 <jorendc> that's from Rob Snelders ...
16:46:28 <jorendc> but you can't confirm that :p
16:46:48 <kendy> jorendc: And if you find another one by some chance [advertisement on a car or something ;-)], just poke me :-)
16:47:04 <jmadero> Rob is the dev in charge of BSA
16:47:21 <jorendc> kendy: I surely will do!
16:48:03 <jmadero> how about just say something like "Rob - are you looking for independent confirmation of this bug? If not can we go ahead and mark as NEW? We're asking developers and contributors to skip UNCONFIRMED status unless they specifically want independent confirmation of their bug"
16:48:04 <jorendc> jmadero: I can't confirm it either...
16:48:13 <jmadero> this could open a can of worms Friday during our call
16:48:21 <jmadero> Sweetshark: you around?
16:48:28 <jmadero> I'll ask him to see what he thinks before we move forward
16:48:36 <jorendc> jmadero: ok :-)
16:48:49 <jorendc> but what in this case... I can't reproduce rob's bug either
16:48:55 <jorendc> so ... make him angry and put it as WFM :p?
16:49:11 <jmadero> lol he's not one to get angry, maybe he'll get on IRC today
16:49:16 <jmadero> you know his irc name yes?
16:49:28 <jmadero> if you see him, ping him and see what's going on with that one
16:50:36 <jmadero> it's ertai
16:50:47 <jorendc> ertai_NL
16:50:52 <jorendc> :-) indeed
16:51:06 <jorendc> I'll just leave a comment for now I can't reproduce
16:51:36 <jmadero> sounds good
16:51:39 <jmadero> I think of those 78 bugs, at least 10 or so have recent comments by QA
16:52:36 <jmadero> jorendc: how about this onehttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59166
16:52:38 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59166
16:52:38 <IZBot> bug 59166: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED UI: Slowness/Missing UI When Dialogs Activated From Pulldown Menus
16:52:40 <IZBot> bug 59166: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED UI: Slowness/Missing UI When Dialogs Activated From Pulldown Menus
16:52:42 <jmadero> I'll do master, you do 3.6?
16:53:02 <jorendc> jmadero: let it UNCONFIRMED?
16:53:06 <jorendc> (that one from Rob)
16:53:09 <jorendc> or NEEDINFO
16:53:21 <jorendc> ... I'm intended to set bug as NEEDINFO
16:53:25 <jmadero> that one is tricky....I'd leave UNCONFIRMED for now
16:53:29 <jmadero> hopefully he gets on soon
16:55:16 <jmadero> on master I can confirm most of what the reporter says
16:57:42 <jorendc> sorry, I'm looking at it right now
16:58:23 <jmadero> jorendc: no need to be sorry :)
16:58:25 <jorendc> jmadero: I can confirm it with 3.6.4.3 :s
16:58:43 <jmadero> okay I'll update it
16:58:46 <jmadero> your turn to pick one :)
16:59:09 <jorendc> ok
16:59:18 * jorendc going to his V4 list :p
16:59:35 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57096
16:59:37 <IZBot> bug 57096: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Text in Comboboxes is cut-off
16:59:47 <jmadero> I saw that one earlier, do we need a language installed?
16:59:59 <jorendc> mmh
17:00:30 <jorendc> I can't reproduce that one
17:01:27 <jmadero> jorendc: give me a minute, that last one works 3.6.3.2
17:01:36 <jmadero> so it's a regression I guess for 3.6.4.3
17:01:44 <jmadero> bibisect request also on that one then
17:01:50 <jmadero> bibisect is failing for me unfortunately
17:02:00 <jorendc> jmadero: you saw my email I send you?
17:02:04 <jorendc> but wait
17:02:40 <jorendc> jmadero: the size of that boxes is reduced for the 4.1 branch
17:02:53 <jorendc> but when I select a font with a long name ...
17:02:55 <jmadero> give me a minute :) still working on the last one
17:03:04 <jorendc> me to :p
17:04:02 <jorendc> In the 4.1 there are more elements in the toolbar
17:04:15 <jorendc> so that box is sized down
17:04:22 <jmadero> ah, I mean the letter one
17:04:27 <jmadero> #59166
17:04:28 <jorendc> oh ok :)
17:04:30 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/high NEW UI: Slowness/Missing UI When Dialogs Activated From Pulldown Menus https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59166
17:04:46 <jmadero> okay moving to your selection
17:05:44 <jmadero> hm, I would argue that's not a bug, just our boxes are smaller
17:05:47 <jmadero> that's a UX decision
17:05:59 <jmadero> maybe let UX team know
17:06:44 <jmadero> want me to send them an email?
17:07:23 <jorendc> jmadero: sure
17:07:41 <jorendc> but I think the bug isn't that the box is too small...
17:08:00 <jmadero> jorendc: can you summarize it for me then? maybe I'm misreading
17:08:14 <jorendc> jmadero: look at attached screenshot https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=70031
17:08:23 <jorendc> the box isn't completly filled
17:08:35 <jmadero> I see
17:08:40 <jmadero> yeah, I'll see if I can confirm
17:08:48 <jorendc> I can't over here
17:08:53 <jmadero> neither can I
17:09:02 <jmadero> I have Century Schoolbook L
17:09:02 <jorendc> the box is reduced ... I can confirm that ... but the box is filled
17:09:05 <jmadero> fills the whole bux
17:09:06 <jmadero> box
17:09:13 <jorendc> but maybe because I haven't that resolatuion he uses?
17:09:51 <jmadero> 2nd comment says normal resolution has a problem also
17:09:53 <jmadero> on his notebook
17:11:45 <jmadero> I say WFM as two of us have confirmed on 3.6.4.3 & on 4.1 master
17:11:55 <jorendc> indeed
17:12:07 <jmadero> the comment should say if it's still a problem for him on current master please provide more information and reopen it as REOPENED
17:12:17 <jmadero> my pick yes?
17:15:10 <jorendc> yes :)
17:15:26 <jmadero> lol closing one right now
17:15:29 <jmadero> that you've already commented on
17:15:32 <jmadero> 58721
17:17:44 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58965&list_id=203492
17:17:47 <IZBot> bug 58965: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Autoshape shadows are misplaced at doc import
17:20:43 <jmadero> confirmed on 4.1 master
17:21:28 <jorendc> sorry jmadero quite busy right now
17:21:33 <jorendc> I'll open it now :o
17:21:49 <jmadero> jorendc: no worries :)
17:21:58 <jmadero> similar phrase in Dutch?
17:22:03 <jmadero> like "no rush" or "don't worry about it"
17:22:41 <jorendc> jmadero: can reproduce that on 3.6.4.3
17:22:51 <jorendc> so not a 'regression' as far as I can see
17:24:39 <jmadero> okay I'll update
17:24:44 <jmadero> I'll test on 3.6.3.2 as well
17:25:02 <jmadero> same
17:26:51 <jmadero> your pick when you get a moment
17:29:19 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57197
17:29:22 <IZBot> bug 57197: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED segfault: undo insertion of table row
17:29:28 <jorendc> jmadero:
17:30:18 <jmadero> segfault - that means running debug
17:30:36 <jmadero> Terrence is a developer
17:30:37 <jorendc> oh ok
17:30:44 <jorendc> so leave it for now?
17:30:53 <jmadero> we can leave a comment asking if we can just mark that as new or if he wants independent confirmation
17:31:04 <jorendc> ok
17:31:06 <jorendc> I'll do that
17:31:15 <jorendc> jmadero: NEEDINFO?
17:31:26 <jmadero> for now leave as UNCONFIRMED
17:31:30 <jorendc> ok
17:31:39 <jmadero> when we go through next week if they haven't responded, we'll just mark as NEW for them
17:31:40 <jmadero> ;)
17:31:48 <jmadero> well we'll talk about it Friday
17:32:04 <jmadero> we have a guest staying Thursday night, meeting is 6am....I don't know how I'm going to make the call :-/
17:32:37 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
17:32:40 <jorendc> jmadero: no problem
17:32:43 <jorendc> I'll try to be there
17:32:58 <jorendc> but that's all quite new :-)
17:33:03 <jmadero> lol I'll be there also :)
17:33:07 <jmadero> I just need to figure out how
17:33:14 <jmadero> not missing first meeting of the new year
17:33:15 <jmadero> bad omen ;0
17:33:16 <jorendc> and I hope I can be on time because I have exam then
17:33:22 <jorendc> :p
17:33:39 <jmadero> 6am my time
17:33:41 <jmadero> 1400 UTC
17:34:34 <jorendc> that's ... early :p
17:34:46 <jorendc> especially when you have guests Tu night :p
17:35:01 <jorendc> or is it Th
17:35:25 <jorendc> (I always combine some abreviations for dates... :s)
17:36:25 <jmadero> Thursday night we have a friend staying
17:36:34 <jmadero> her last night in San Diego, she's moving :(
17:36:55 <jmadero> jorendc: I did see the email yesterday about bibisect, thanks for sending it
17:37:10 <jorendc> you're welcome.
17:37:18 <jorendc> the abreviation for Thursday = Th
17:37:21 <jorendc> or is it Tu?
17:37:26 <jmadero> Th
17:37:30 <jmadero> but some people use R
17:37:33 <jmadero> (like me) ;)
17:37:37 <jorendc> oh ok :D
17:37:38 <jmadero> MTWRFSSu
17:37:54 <jorendc> oh, I see :-)
17:38:05 <jorendc> MaDiWoDoVrZaZo
17:38:18 <jmadero> Saturday and Sunday both start with the letter Z in Dutch?
17:38:32 <jorendc> yes :-)
17:38:43 <jorendc> Maandag, Dinsdag, Woensdag, Donderdag, Vrijdag, Zaterdag, Zondag
17:38:54 <jorendc> :D
17:39:14 <jmadero> it's funny that it's still pretty close to English
17:39:18 <jmadero> makes sense
17:39:18 <jmadero> both Germanic
17:39:20 <jorendc> yes, it is :D
17:40:09 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59029
17:40:11 <IZBot> bug 59029: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Format Painter
17:40:13 <jorendc> Enhancement requiest
17:40:15 <jorendc> ?
17:40:45 <jorendc> I don't understand his comment :s
17:40:46 <jmadero> that bug report is so...choppy
17:40:55 <jmadero> I put as NEEDINFO, and ask for clarification
17:41:01 <jmadero> I don't understand it at all
17:41:15 <jmadero> with an attached document (if applicable)
17:41:41 <jmadero> I would*
17:42:02 <jorendc> I think it's an enhancement ... but I'm not sure about that :p
17:42:41 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah maybe add that in comment also, say you'll mark it as an enhancement once it's clarified what they are looking for
17:42:47 <jmadero> I can't tell if English is a second language or not...
17:42:50 <jmadero> or just not clear
17:43:22 <jmadero> you leaving a comment?
17:43:30 <jorendc> I'll :-)
17:43:37 <jorendc> you can push another one in my direction :D
17:43:50 <jmadero> perfect, bendakt
17:43:55 <jmadero> okay back to the list
17:43:58 <jmadero> searching out the easy ones :)
17:44:42 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58623
17:44:44 <IZBot> bug 58623: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Keep ratio checkbox status not captured by undo
17:44:48 <jmadero> our undo is so borked...
17:44:58 <jmadero> and everyone hates working on it lol
17:47:22 <jmadero> slightly different behavior for me
17:47:30 <jmadero> undo is not blank, but when I do undo, it doesn't actually undo the change
17:48:33 <jorendc> jmadero: you test it with which version?
17:48:39 <jorendc> 4.1 or 3.6?
17:49:06 <jmadero> 4.1 master
17:49:15 <jorendc> I test it with 3.6 then,
17:51:03 <jorendc> jmadero: the keep ratio button is already unchecked :s
17:51:16 <jmadero> I saw that too, check it and then undo
17:51:20 <jmadero> see if it goes back to unchecked
17:51:30 <jmadero> (first see if you have undo option, then see if it actually undoes anything)
17:51:54 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
17:51:58 <jorendc> indeed, no rewind
17:52:04 <jorendc> I mean 'undo' :D
17:52:10 <jorendc> pff, my english sucks
17:52:11 <jorendc> :D
17:52:27 <jorendc> I can reproduce that bug
17:52:41 <jorendc> There is a undo button
17:52:46 <jmadero> it's grayed out for you?
17:52:47 <jorendc> but clicking on it doesn't undo my changes
17:52:54 <jmadero> oh okay, so it's not grayed out
17:52:56 <jmadero> but undoing does nothing
17:54:08 <jmadero> I'm commenting now
17:54:16 <jorendc> jmadero: yes :-)
17:54:20 <jorendc> sorry for my english xD
17:54:27 <jmadero> jorendc: you apologize too much ;)
17:54:39 <jorendc> haha :p I'm sorry for that too :D
17:54:40 <jorendc> ooh no wait
17:54:41 <jmadero> I should say sorry for not knowing Dutch ;)
17:54:43 <jorendc> no sorry :D
17:55:01 <jorendc> ;-) I got to eat jmadero; No sorry about that ;-)
17:55:19 <jorendc> mmh, maybe I do. I just want to be polite :)
17:55:33 <jmadero> jorendc: enjoy your dinner
17:55:45 <jorendc> thanks jmadero. I will :-)
18:19:38 <jmadero> hm this is interesting, I can't remove two dictionaries (French and Spanish)
18:19:42 <jmadero> from extensions
18:31:25 <jorendc> jmadero: back :-)
18:31:30 <jorendc> oh wait
18:32:56 <jmadero> not back?
19:15:35 <jorendc> jmadero: now I'm back
19:15:40 <jorendc> telephone ... girlfriend
19:15:42 <jorendc> :)
19:15:49 <jmadero> jorendc: more important than LibreOffice for sure
19:15:50 <jorendc> so, important call :D
19:16:23 <jorendc> 77 bugs found.
19:16:28 <jorendc> so, lets reduce that
19:17:09 <jmadero> jorendc: your pick
19:17:24 <jorendc> ok
19:18:42 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58371
19:18:44 <IZBot> bug 58371: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium UNCONFIRMED REPORTBUILDER: Crash when opening report of attachment fdo#48056
19:18:50 <jorendc> from developer...
19:19:20 <jmadero> that one we can easily reproduce
19:19:21 <jmadero> let's try
19:21:07 <jorendc> not a crash, but I got a message
19:21:19 <jorendc> (error message)
19:21:30 <jorendc> and can't open it (it'll return to the main window
19:22:18 <jmadero> no crash
19:22:23 <jorendc> I can't test it with 3.6.4 :s ...
19:22:41 <jorendc> No 'database' in LO by standard default Ubuntu as far I can see
19:22:41 <jmadero> no error message either for me
19:22:42 <jorendc> weird :s
19:22:51 <jorendc> mmh, version?
19:22:57 <jorendc> I tested it with latest 4.1
19:22:59 <jmadero> 4.1 master
19:23:03 <jmadero> ....strange
19:23:22 <jorendc> you can open the report?
19:23:28 <jorendc> make sure you open the report, not just the tables
19:23:35 <jmadero> lol no
19:23:37 <jmadero> forgot that step
19:23:46 <jmadero> mark as NEW :)
19:23:52 <jorendc> :D
19:23:53 <jorendc> ok
19:23:54 <jmadero> I need to slow down and read the instructions haha
19:25:05 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm busy comment that one; your pick :D
19:25:13 <jmadero> looking now
19:25:47 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59056
19:25:49 <jmadero> looks interesting
19:25:50 <IZBot> bug 59056: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Second graph on any page will be displayed on the last page.
19:29:03 <jmadero> with this one I see the issue but can't reproduce the problem
19:29:11 <jmadero> if I open the "good version" with 4.1 master everything still looks fine
19:30:15 <jorendc> indeed, 3.6.4 also :s
19:30:26 <jorendc> and reopening
19:30:29 <jorendc> maybe resaving with another name
19:30:30 <jmadero> try opening the good version with master
19:30:36 <jmadero> did that, no problem
19:30:39 <jmadero> can you try as well
19:30:48 <jmadero> open good version with 4.1, save as a new name, then reopen that with 3.6.4.3
19:31:31 <jmadero> I do see the issue in the 2nd attachment that he put, but I can't reproduce that result
19:31:35 <jmadero> he didn't give steps to reproduce really
19:31:58 <jorendc> nops, can't reproduce using 3.6.4
19:32:29 <jorendc> indeed; but with the information he do provide ..
19:32:31 <jorendc> I can't either
19:32:42 <jorendc> so -> or a NI or a WFM I think
19:34:10 <jmadero> perfect
19:34:11 <jmadero> your pick
19:34:13 <jmadero> comenting now
19:34:45 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59178
19:34:47 <IZBot> bug 59178: LibreOffice-UI enhancement/medium UNCONFIRMED Print preview is too coarse
19:35:09 <jorendc> jmadero: you can add me to CC also for these bugs
19:35:26 <jorendc> (because we both tried it, we both are aware of what's done and what isn't done yet)
19:35:48 <jmadero> oh yeah, good point
19:36:24 <jmadero> do you see a problem with the png that he attached?
19:36:33 <jmadero> oh the lines very narrow?
19:36:36 <jmadero> not spaced correctly
19:37:25 <jorendc> yes indeed
19:37:45 <jmadero> I see issue in 4.1, how about in 3.6?
19:37:45 <jorendc> the screen is to narrow
19:38:07 <jorendc> how to reproduce :s
19:38:25 <jorendc> just make borders in calc?
19:38:34 <jmadero> yeah that's what I did, and increased the column width
19:39:39 <jorendc> yeps, still reproducible in 3.6.4
19:39:44 <jorendc> I'll comment that one
19:40:09 <jorendc> jmadero: ... bugreporter report that as enhancement
19:40:21 <jorendc> is it a bug or is it an enhancement :-)...
19:40:33 <jmadero> I'd say minor bug
19:40:42 <jmadero> lowest priority
19:40:48 <jorendc> okay :-)
19:40:50 <jmadero> doesn't prevent high quality work, easy workaround
19:40:55 <jmadero> (go to print preview it looks fine)
19:42:09 <jorendc> ok :-)
19:43:20 <jmadero> back to list
19:46:54 <jmadero> jorendc: there's ertai_NL  :)
19:46:59 <jmadero> we can ask him about that bug we can't confir
19:47:01 <jmadero> m
19:47:04 <jmadero> ertai_NL: how's it going?
19:47:13 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :D
19:47:33 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you saw my comment on my bug?
19:47:44 <jmadero> ertai_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53613, neither one of us can confirm that one
19:47:46 <IZBot> bug 53613: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PRINTING: When printing a presentation based on some of the default designs the background is small
19:49:40 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805
19:49:42 <IZBot> bug 58805: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Report builder: Wrong date and time in report header footer
19:49:44 <jmadero> let's try that one out
19:50:37 <jorendc> jmadero: See attached file, open report for edit,
19:50:42 <jorendc> .... what attached file?
19:50:56 <jmadero> marking as NEEDINFO
19:50:58 <jmadero> lol your pick
19:51:02 <jorendc> :D
19:51:26 <jorendc> 75 bugs found. -> list is shrinking :D
19:51:44 <jmadero> lol yes, hopefully with the topic set to include the link others can help also
19:51:57 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59142
19:51:59 <IZBot> bug 59142: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: failing to copy graphic elements (charts)
19:52:34 <jorendc> jmadero: yes, that's very usefull :D
19:53:49 <jorendc> mmh wait, I think that's a duplicate jmadero
19:53:58 <jorendc> lets ping moggi for that one
19:53:59 <jmadero> okay
19:54:31 <jorendc> (I thought I bibisected already this kind of bug on request of moggi)
19:54:51 <jmadero> moggi: ^^
19:54:54 <jorendc> So moggi, if you read this; can you please check fdo#59142 or it's a duplicate of the problem or not
19:54:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: failing to copy graphic elements (charts) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59142
19:55:46 <jorendc> jmadero: your pick
19:57:34 <jmadero> jorendc: closing one right now as NEEDINFO, your pick ;)
19:57:43 <jorendc> ok
19:58:37 <jorendc> I hope an easy one: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59102
19:58:40 <IZBot> bug 59102: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Wrong export border img of Writer to PDF
20:00:12 <jmadero> Lucian should have had a page number of the problem
20:00:19 <jmadero> he's in marketing and helping to develop our forums
20:01:05 <jmadero> I see the problem
20:01:06 <jmadero> page 2 shows it
20:01:08 <jmadero> confirmed on 4.1
20:01:30 <jorendc> I corrected the mime type
20:01:35 <jorendc> let's reproduce it :p
20:02:20 <jmadero> mime types should default to "auto detect"
20:02:24 <jmadero> another thing for QA meeting
20:02:28 <jorendc> yes indeed
20:03:18 <jorendc> can't reproduce using 3.6.4
20:03:24 <jorendc> regression one
20:03:29 <ertai_NL> jorendc: it still exists with beta2
20:03:31 <jorendc> bibisect request?
20:03:43 <jorendc> mmh :s
20:04:31 <jmadero> jorendc: can you try with 4.1 master for ertai_NL bug
20:04:36 <jmadero> I think I am missing something :)
20:04:59 <jmadero> jorendc: indeed bibisectrequest, I'll comment on that one if you can check ertai_NL bug
20:05:20 <jmadero> or are you already commenting?
20:05:36 * ertai_NL sees that the prints are ok. But the preview isn't
20:05:37 <jorendc> jmadero: ertai_NL I certainly tested it with latest 4.1 ...
20:05:39 <jorendc> not reproducible
20:05:55 <jmadero> maybe fixed between Beta2 and Master?
20:05:57 <jorendc> jmadero: go ahead
20:06:08 <jorendc> that's a possibility
20:06:14 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you have the chance to test it with latest build?
20:07:07 <ertai_NL> no.. I can't seem to build with a pull from monday
20:07:33 <jorendc> I had a problem too (don't know it was monday)
20:07:39 <jorendc> but that's normaly fixed now
20:07:49 <jorendc> I builded today and yesterday with the latest pull
20:07:56 <ertai_NL> rerunning make
20:08:50 <jmadero> jorendc: going to bibisect this one real quick
20:09:14 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :-)
20:10:54 <jmadero> I always do that, need to fix
20:10:55 <jmadero> crap I set some whiteboard status' to regression, should be a keyword
20:12:54 <jmadero> jorendc: bibisect won't help
20:13:13 <jorendc> no?
20:13:19 <jmadero> now I'm not sure I am seeing the issue
20:13:24 <jmadero> hold on revisiting bug
20:14:08 <jmadero> no, those are invisible borders so they wouldn't appear on pdf
20:14:16 <jmadero> need to find a page where a border is actually not seen correct
20:15:09 <jorendc> I don't think this is a border-only bug
20:15:14 <jorendc> a part of the image is also gone
20:15:44 <jmadero> which image
20:15:52 <jmadero> attachment
20:15:56 <jmadero> (again need to look closer)
20:15:57 <jmadero> haha
20:17:52 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce it with latest 4.1 either ...
20:17:54 <jmadero> can't reproduce, marking as WFM
20:17:55 <jmadero> :)
20:17:59 <jorendc> :p
20:18:49 <jmadero> (feels like a fool)
20:19:00 <jmadero> 72 left
20:19:47 <jorendc> no need for that jmadero ... I think we checked already 10 bugs
20:19:54 <jorendc> everything looks the same now :D
20:20:00 <jmadero> fdo#58705
20:20:03 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Embedded graphs / data in .docx files https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58705
20:20:04 <jmadero> "reported to death" sounds like DUPLICATE
20:20:07 <jmadero> and not against 4.0
20:20:13 <jmadero> searching for a dupe
20:21:13 <jorendc> jmadero: look at the comment I already made :p
20:21:21 <jorendc> Joren De Cuyper 2012-12-26 12:47:40 UTC  Can you please upload a sample .docx as attachement?  Thanks in advance, Joren
20:21:34 <jmadero> I saw that, I'm going to just mark as NEEDINFO, and leave a comment saying "if it's already been reported, this is a duplicate and shouldn't be reported again"
20:21:53 <jorendc> oh, I forgot to set it as 'needinfo' :o
20:21:57 <jorendc> grrrrr
20:21:59 <jorendc> my bad
20:23:20 <jmadero> my comment wasn't very nice ;)
20:23:24 <jmadero> it wasn't mean, just direct
20:24:12 <jmadero> jorendc: goal of 10 a day? we'll be done in a week
20:25:06 <jmadero> I like how I lower my standards haha
20:25:09 <jmadero> maybe 15 a day, done in 5 days
20:25:42 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :-)
20:25:54 <jmadero> think we can each pick 2 more today
20:26:13 <jorendc> jmadero: ... mmh ... there are also bugs submitted today .. and tomorrow
20:26:23 <jmadero> true, but 15 a day we'll catch up
20:26:35 <jorendc> so if we CAN triage more bugs then created today ...
20:26:39 <jorendc> :p
20:27:22 <jorendc> jmadero: bug report status is still 'unconfirmed'
20:27:29 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58705
20:27:31 <IZBot> bug 58705: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEEDINFO FILEOPEN: Embedded graphs / data in .docx files
20:27:36 <jorendc> lol
20:27:40 <jorendc> not now anymore
20:27:42 <jorendc> sorry xD
20:27:43 <jmadero> :)
20:27:58 * jorendc didn't refresh
20:29:13 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57096
20:29:14 <jmadero> he reopened it
20:29:15 <jmadero> ;)
20:29:15 <IZBot> bug 57096: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium REOPENED Text in Comboboxes is cut-off
20:30:01 <jorendc> mmh https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59175
20:30:03 <IZBot> bug 59175: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Chart pasted from Calc to Writer appears empty
20:30:53 <jorendc> oh I see
20:31:00 <jorendc> jmadero: look at my screenshot attached to that bug
20:31:15 <jorendc> the 'Y' is cutted off
20:31:45 <jorendc> and that's what he mean with 'Style should be "Überschrift 1", not "Uberschrift 1".'
20:31:46 <jmadero> yeah, that's 3.6.4.3 yes?
20:32:07 <jorendc> lol, I even know that anymore
20:32:10 <jorendc> I think that's 4.1
20:32:14 <jorendc> yes that's 4.1
20:32:28 <jmadero> hm, not a problem with 3.6?
20:33:10 <jorendc> it's in 3.6 also there
20:33:16 <jorendc> I'll comment it and mark as new
20:33:49 <jmadero> and change version yes?
20:34:01 <jmadero> I verified 59175, indeed a regression
20:34:03 <jmadero> bibisectrequest
20:35:16 <jmadero> I'm bibisecting it right now
20:35:57 <jorendc> jmadero: I think that's quite the same we sended to moggi to check :-)
20:36:55 <jorendc> jmadero: Style should be "Überschrift 1", not "Uberschrift 1".
20:36:56 <jorendc> sorry
20:36:58 <jorendc> wrong copy
20:37:06 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59142 correct one
20:37:08 <IZBot> bug 59142: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: failing to copy graphic elements (charts)
20:37:19 <jmadero> ah dangit haha
20:37:24 <jorendc> I think it's just borked that' copy paste stuff
20:37:25 <jmadero> already bibisecting so I'll just finish it
20:37:29 <jorendc> sure :-)
20:37:58 <jmadero> I'll leave as new, someone else can set to duplicate if it's there
20:38:26 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58988
20:38:28 <IZBot> bug 58988: LibreOffice-Chart normal/medium ASSIGNED Copy and paste chart fails if the source sheet does not have the default name
20:38:45 <jorendc> that bug I bibisected for Markus
20:39:09 <jorendc> jmadero: oh, continue bibisect
20:39:16 <jorendc> I thought it was a spreadsheet bug
20:39:18 <jorendc> but it's writer
20:39:23 <jorendc> so .. other component = other bug
20:39:46 <jmadero> could be related (maybe copy/paste is overlapping) almost done with bibisect
20:40:34 <jorendc> jmadero: test document is calc
20:40:42 <jorendc> so I think the problem is still calc = same problem
20:41:10 <jorendc> but, we now have a bibisect and confirmed it :-)
20:42:43 <moggi> jorendc: jmadero: the graphic copy bug might be a duplicate
20:42:43 <jorendc> jmadero: set bug to 'HIGHEST' (I think you forgot that)
20:43:00 <jorendc> moggi: and this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59175
20:43:03 <IZBot> bug 59175: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Chart pasted from Calc to Writer appears empty
20:43:08 <jorendc> copy from calc to writer
20:43:25 <jmadero> I'm working on that bibisect right now, I'll attach, if it's dupe someone else can mark it as such
20:43:27 <jmadero> better that then just leaving in UNCONFIRMED
20:43:35 <jorendc> true jmadero
20:43:44 <moggi> they are all related, I'm trying to understand the changes there for the last 5 days
20:44:19 <jorendc> ok, mark it as duplicate moggi, or just leave it NEW?
20:44:28 <moggi> but I'm not sure they are duplicates, they have the same root problem but not more
20:44:45 <jorendc> ok, lets leave it then :-)
20:46:12 <jmadero> moggi: you want to be assigned this one with bibisect?
20:46:38 <moggi> jmadero: no, I'm already sick of looking at this code; put me in CC
20:47:00 <jmadero> moggi: sounds good, I'll see who broke it from the bibisect :)
20:49:58 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm bibisecting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59160
20:50:02 <IZBot> bug 59160: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Trying to open a non-existant file from the 'open' dropdown on the 'home' page causes extraneous dialogues.
20:50:04 <jmadero> moggi: how can I determine who broke it from the bibisect?
20:50:36 <jorendc> following bug reporter it's a regression 4.0 vs 3.5.7, but I can't reproduce it with 3.6 either
20:51:00 <moggi> jmadero: you normally can't; but as developer you normally can exclude nearly all the commits in the range of commits that introduced the regression
20:51:17 <moggi> and for these problems I know who broke it
20:51:42 <jmadero> moggi: your last name for fdo cc
20:51:54 <jmadero> quite a few Markus' :)
20:51:59 <jmadero> nvm I'll check email
20:52:00 <jorendc> just type Mo
20:52:05 <jmadero> no need to put it on chat
20:52:07 <jorendc> mohrhard
20:52:48 <jorendc> what do you mean?
20:53:13 <jmadero> moggi: added you to cc
20:53:16 <jmadero> bibisect is there
20:53:50 <jmadero> jorendc: just wasn't sure if moggi wanted to write his last name on the chat ;)
20:53:52 <jmadero> but it's there now
20:53:53 <jmadero> lol
20:54:06 <jorendc> :s sorry about that moggi
20:54:39 <jmadero> my fault for asking, okay next bug
20:54:54 <jmadero> down to 69
20:54:56 <jorendc> I'm bibisecting https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59160
20:54:58 <IZBot> bug 59160: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Trying to open a non-existant file from the 'open' dropdown on the 'home' page causes extraneous dialogues.
20:54:59 <moggi> no problem with that
20:54:59 <jmadero> nice
20:55:26 <jmadero> moggi: are you quick with installing localization stuff?
20:55:36 <jmadero> Joren and I have been actively evading a couple unconfirmed bugs...
20:55:37 <jmadero> lol
20:55:51 <jmadero> I really don't want to install another language and fonts
20:56:14 <jorendc> jmadero: you mean that chinese/japanese font bug :p?
20:56:39 <jmadero> jorendc: no, fdo#52575
20:56:41 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED 0310 COMBINING CANDRABINDU double-rendered in Graphite font https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52575
20:56:42 <jmadero> and a couple related by same bug reporter
20:56:47 <jorendc> oh yeah
20:56:52 <jorendc> that one :p
20:57:23 <jmadero> japanese one, maybe kohei can help
20:57:42 <jmadero> do you have bug #
21:00:05 <jorendc_> sorry jmadero ...
21:00:12 <jorendc_> disconnected from server
21:00:17 <jorendc_> :s what did you say last :p?
21:01:16 <moggi> I'm not the right person for localization bugs
21:01:51 <jmadero_> jorendc_: disconnected
21:04:11 <jorendc> :-) no problem, I was disconnected too :-)
21:04:25 <jmadero_> I'm doing 2 more, 1 from each of us, then done for the time being
21:04:30 <jmadero_> need to work on other project :-D
21:04:32 <jmadero_> one that will make income
21:04:33 <jmadero_> lol
21:04:38 <jorendc> hehe :D
21:04:45 <jorendc> that's certainly more important
21:04:47 <jmadero_> I added Kohei to japanese bug
21:06:02 <jorendc> jmadero_: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59120
21:06:05 <IZBot> bug 59120: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Importing docx makes lo go crazy
21:06:20 <jorendc> mmh
21:06:24 <jorendc> no attached document
21:06:46 <jmadero_> mark as NEEDINFO
21:06:50 <jmadero_> need document to see behavior
21:07:56 <jorendc> jmadero_: yups :-)
21:07:57 <jorendc> done
21:08:31 <jorendc> 66 bugs found.
21:08:34 <jorendc> jmadero_: one more?
21:08:49 <jmadero_> searching now, you too, we'll see who finds one fast
21:08:49 <jmadero_> lol
21:10:10 <jmadero_> found a dupe
21:10:14 <jmadero_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59142
21:10:16 <IZBot> bug 59142: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: failing to copy graphic elements (charts)
21:10:21 <jmadero_> looks identical to the one just bibisected
21:10:42 <jmadero_> actually maybe not
21:10:44 <jmadero_> but very similar
21:11:30 <jorendc> I think that's exactly the same ..
21:11:31 <jorendc> not?
21:11:46 <jmadero_> this one says "decomposed"
21:11:48 <jmadero_> not empty chart
21:12:17 <jmadero_> think dupe?
21:13:24 <jorendc> can't find the previous one
21:13:46 <jorendc> (have no IRC log because of disconnection
21:14:15 <jmadero_> lol ditto
21:14:50 <jmadero_> but I don't see same behavior, only see behavior from other bug
21:15:22 <jorendc> you remembered the bugname of previous one?
21:16:56 <jmadero_> looking for it
21:18:47 <jorendc> jmadero_: lets file that as new and put Markus in cc ...
21:18:56 <jorendc> not?
21:18:57 <jmadero_> I can't confirm it
21:19:01 <jmadero_> no, did you?
21:19:02 <jorendc> we can search us to death
21:19:09 <jorendc> I can confirm
21:19:16 <jmadero_> decomposed, vs. just empty?
21:19:27 <jorendc> I have a decomposed one
21:19:44 <jorendc> it's just not complete
21:20:04 <jorendc> only the background color and some lines are copy/pasted
21:20:15 <jmadero_> yeah, that's what I can confirm, that's not what reporter reported
21:20:17 <jmadero_> and the other is a dupe
21:20:20 <jmadero_> give me 2 more minutes, narrowing down
21:20:32 <jmadero_> fdo#59175
21:20:38 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/highest NEW Chart pasted from Calc to Writer appears empty https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59175
21:20:49 <jorendc> jmadero_: look at the screenshot he attached
21:21:04 <jorendc> Untitled 1 - LOdev Impress_005.png
21:21:26 <jorendc> jmadero_: oh wait
21:21:32 <jmadero_> ah yes, that's a duplicate
21:21:33 <jorendc> maybe I opened the wrong test-case
21:21:38 <jmadero_> no that's right
21:21:48 <jmadero_> just empty, we can confirm but it's the same as 59175
21:21:52 <jorendc> ok
21:21:59 <jorendc> I'll mark it as a duplicate
21:21:59 <jmadero_> this was actually the original....
21:22:05 <jmadero_> but the other already has bibisect
21:22:08 <jmadero_> so yeah mark as dupe
21:22:26 <jorendc> jmadero_: I mark this one as a duplicate of the one you bibisected
21:22:31 <jmadero_> ja
21:22:32 <jorendc> I'll explain that in comment
21:22:35 <jorendc> ;-)
21:22:36 <jmadero_> bedankt
21:25:20 <jorendc> you're a good learner jmadero_
21:25:21 <jorendc> :D
21:25:27 <jmadero_> haha one word
21:25:35 <jorendc> jij leert snel (you learn fast)
21:25:36 <jmadero_> at this rate in a decade I'll have a 1st grade level ;)
21:25:41 <jorendc> haha
21:26:07 <jmadero_> down to 65 :)
21:26:10 <jmadero_> not bad at all
21:26:14 <jmadero_> tomorrow aim for 50?
21:26:20 <jorendc> from 77 to 65 ...
21:26:21 <jorendc> not?
21:26:27 <jorendc> + some bugs reported in the mean time
21:26:32 <jmadero_> not bad = good:)
21:26:33 <jmadero_> haha
21:26:34 <jorendc> so say ... 15 bugs traiged :D
21:26:49 <jorendc> not bad = really good
21:26:50 <jmadero_> I'm going to look through the reporters and see if I can find more devs
21:26:57 <jmadero_> that I can just quickly ping them to mark as NEW
21:27:34 <jmadero_> 5 by Rainer
21:27:35 <jmadero_> :)
21:27:45 <jmadero_> 2 by Lionel
21:28:12 <jmadero_> that's it, so possibly 7 down right there
21:28:24 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=2013-01-09&query_format=advanced&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=2013-01-09&order=Bug%20Number&list_id=203728&product=LibreOffice
21:28:29 <jorendc> 20 bugs reported today
21:28:33 <jmadero_> lhag;ha;sdf
21:28:34 <jmadero_> lol
21:28:39 <jmadero_> oh wait
21:28:42 <jmadero_> you didn't query for version 4?
21:28:46 <jmadero_> add that to the search
21:28:54 <jorendc> oh no
21:28:56 <jmadero_> right now we're not concerned about 3
21:28:56 <jorendc> that' true
21:29:02 <jmadero_> (unfortunately)
21:30:04 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=203731&chfieldto=2013-01-09&query_format=advanced&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=2013-01-09&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&product=LibreOfficeµ
21:30:07 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=203731&chfieldto=2013-01-09&query_format=advanced&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=2013-01-09&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&product=LibreOffice
21:30:10 <jorendc> sorry, first one is wrong
21:30:17 <jorendc> 4 bugs found.
21:30:31 <jorendc> :D so we did -11 bugs
21:30:56 <jorendc> jmadero_: that remembers me I can update QA stats
21:30:57 <jmadero_> excellent
21:32:51 <jorendc> +4 on 6 days range
21:32:56 <jorendc> ... not that bad :p
21:33:27 <jorendc> but because we reproduce now as much reports as we can ... they'll not come in this list :-)
21:35:15 <jorendc> we're now doing 'prevention' work :p
21:37:32 <jmadero_> lol yes, we'll get it down if we commit to 15 a day
21:38:32 <jorendc> indeed
21:42:01 <jmadero_> jorendc: okay time for me to sign off for the day :) I'm going to be adding to the stats page
21:42:08 <jmadero_> Rainer has given me an example spreadsheet has a lot of useful stats
21:42:12 <jmadero_> I just need to translate to the wiki
21:42:25 <jmadero_> need to do it soon too....otherwise we won't have stats for media side
21:42:53 <jorendc> can you send me the spreadsheet?
21:42:57 <jorendc> Maybe I can do...?
21:44:49 <jmadero_> that would be fantastic, at least to start the process
21:45:00 <jmadero_> let me search for the document (hasn't been updated in over a month :-/)
21:45:07 <jorendc> sure
21:45:19 <jorendc> you can send me to my emailadres if you have time to
21:45:38 <jmadero_> sending now
21:45:54 <jmadero_> before thi swas upkept by Rainer privately
21:45:58 <jmadero_> but we want to go public with these numbers
21:46:05 <jmadero_> then others can help keep them up to date, etc..
21:48:44 <jorendc> sure :-)
21:48:49 <jorendc> I'll add that table
21:49:58 <jorendc> jmadero_: ... that's an ods file
21:50:03 <jorendc> I can't open that in Excel :s
21:50:13 <jorendc> can you send it as xls?
21:50:17 <jorendc> haha :d just joking ;-)
21:50:58 <jmadero_> LOL
21:51:01 <jmadero_> that was funn
21:51:18 <jorendc> :D
21:52:09 <jorendc> jmadero_: you mean the QA_source table?
21:57:22 <jmadero_> huh?
21:57:44 <jmadero_> looking now :)
21:58:09 <jmadero_> all of the sheets other than 1st one
21:58:15 <jmadero_> the spreadsheet isn't very easy to read :)
21:58:17 <jmadero_> I had to ask Rainer several questions
21:58:24 <jmadero_> there are links though in the document
21:58:52 <jorendc> ok :)
22:00:55 <jmadero_> some of them might have to get altered to look right in the wiki
22:01:02 <jmadero_> really wish we could automate it...
22:01:24 <jorendc> indeed
22:01:27 <jorendc> but I'll start it
22:01:33 <jorendc> and complete it the following weeks
22:01:42 <jorendc> I think I'm not going to do this all in once :p
22:01:45 <jmadero_> I'll help of course
22:01:57 <jmadero_> it's been on my list,
22:02:07 <jmadero_> jorendc: really thanks for helping so much, you're taking on a lot of stuff
22:02:18 <jorendc> You're welcome :-)
22:02:23 <jorendc> but I'm still in learning phase
22:02:41 <jmadero_> lol I am too ;)
22:02:53 <jorendc> thanks for helping me :-) and accompany too :-)
22:03:04 <jorendc> I have a good time here
22:03:37 <jmadero_> now we just need to find 5-10 more people
22:03:50 <jmadero_> if we had 10 people doing 1-2 hours a week, we'd be set
22:04:18 <jorendc> indeed :o
22:04:21 <jorendc> that'll be awesome
22:04:33 <jorendc> but, we haven't ... so we do the work for now :-)
22:04:44 <jorendc> I haven't seen markit the past days around
22:04:52 <jorendc> he's on vacation?
22:05:01 <jorendc> normally he's also quite active
22:05:59 <jmadero_> that's good to know :)
22:06:29 <jorendc> i don't know ...
22:06:44 <jorendc> It's surprised me i don't see him around the last week :s
22:06:58 <jorendc> jmadero_: including the 'untouched goal' too?
22:07:19 <jmadero_> untouched goal?
22:07:23 <jorendc> I think that' aren't facts ... but goals
22:07:26 <jorendc> yes, see data sheet
22:07:35 <jorendc> column F of QA_source sheet
22:07:53 <jmadero_> don't include that, not even sure what it is ;)
22:08:03 <jorendc> and P.D. average?
22:08:11 <jmadero_> also don't include
22:08:16 <jmadero_> we can do those calculations on the raw data
22:08:28 <jmadero_> copy/paste from wiki into spreadsheet is pretty seemless
22:08:31 <jmadero_> which is nice
22:08:37 <jmadero_> easy to do stats work
22:08:48 <jorendc> ok :-)
22:08:52 <jorendc> other way around is quite hard
22:08:59 <jorendc> so we need to do that manual right now :s
22:09:01 <jmadero_> yes
22:09:04 <jmadero_> ja
22:09:23 <jmadero_> I'm going to talk to someone about automating these things going into the future
22:09:55 <jorendc> good!
22:10:06 <jorendc> goed! (dutch :D )
22:13:59 <jmadero> still 100 bugs more than we were in Sept....not promising
22:14:05 <jmadero> I really want to hit the milestone of having 0 there
22:24:41 <jmadero> jorendc: heading out, talk to you tomorrow most likely
22:24:43 <jmadero> have a good evening
12:24:09 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL
12:24:28 <jorendc> you saw my comment on your enhancement request https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44271 ?
12:24:32 <IZBot> bug 44271: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium RESOLVED FIXED Be able to "press" the hyperlink button with ctrl+klick
12:27:49 <ertai_NL> jorendc: werkt hier nog niet beta2
12:28:46 <jorendc> ertai_NL: werkt hier al met 3.6.4.3 :s...
12:29:05 <jorendc> misschien neemt je OS deze shortcut als eerste op?
12:29:19 * jorendc gaat proberen met zijn Mac OSX
12:29:34 <jorendc> ertai_NL: welk os draai je?
12:30:40 <ertai_NL> ubuntu
12:35:13 <ertai_NL> jorendc: can you try the test-document I just attached?
14:59:41 <jorendc> hi jmadero
15:02:46 <jmadero> jorendc: morning
15:03:06 <jorendc> morning jmadero :-)
15:03:28 <jmadero> first conference call of the year in a few minutes
15:03:33 <jmadero> I'm still half asleep ;)
15:04:12 <jorendc> conference call = like a QA call?
15:04:28 <jmadero> that's tomorrow, ESC call is today
15:05:44 <jorendc> yeah, but I mean: LIKE a QA call (but then another topic)
15:08:01 <jmadero> oh, yes, it's the steering committee
15:08:06 <jmadero> kind of oversees all of LibreOffice
15:10:29 <jorendc> ooh nice :)
15:13:07 <jmadero> back up to 70
15:13:10 <jmadero> bugs
15:14:59 <jmadero> jorendc: do you have MSO?
15:15:33 <jorendc> MSO = Microsoft Office?
15:15:40 <jorendc> jmadero:
15:15:51 <jmadero> yeah
15:15:55 <jmadero> jorendc: are you doing this 	+ update existing 'find-bar' close button / bug to an easy-hack 58526
15:17:18 <jorendc> I have, (I'm now on Ubuntu, but I have dualboot with Windows 7 where I have MSO 2010 installed
15:17:27 <jorendc> #58526
15:17:29 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW UI: Add a "close search" button to the search bar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58526
15:17:36 <jmadero> you're doing that one yes?
15:17:43 <jmadero> that's what you were working on with icons and what not?
15:17:47 <jmadero> or am I wrong
15:17:52 <jorendc> yes
15:18:08 <jorendc> but it's waiting to review ...
15:18:13 <jmadero> nice just wanted to verify
15:18:24 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/
15:18:25 <jorendc> :-)
15:18:45 <jorendc> still open; first they scored it as -1, but because they saw my error ...
15:19:07 <jorendc> I mean ... the problems I had with the method they proposed (I already tried that)
15:19:32 <jmadero> I had to do 5 edits to my first hack
15:20:04 <jorendc> you mean by 'edits' this number: +195, -2
15:20:51 <jmadero> no I mean were rejected through mailing list and I had to change them :)
15:21:28 <jorendc> oh ok
15:21:38 <jorendc> but that 3 patches are identical
15:21:46 <jorendc> :p I stuggled a bit with git xD
15:22:16 <jorendc> so I tryied to work on another patch, and when I pushed another one, this patch was resended (so I send it twice)
15:22:38 <jmadero> lol
15:22:42 <jmadero> I haven't used git yet
15:23:06 <jmadero> for uploading my patches, I just go through mailing lis
15:23:08 <jmadero> t
15:23:13 <jmadero> (not preferred, I'm just used to it)
15:24:22 <jorendc> :p
15:32:05 <jmadero> #59181
15:32:08 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED docx formulas with messed parentheses hierarchy don't show correctly in LibO https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59181
15:32:14 <jmadero> any way that you can open that with MSO and create a pdf of it?
15:32:21 <jmadero> what it looks like in MSO
15:33:49 <jorendc> jmadero: Room number: 53 71 38?
15:33:59 <jmadero> for what?
15:34:08 <jorendc> that call?
15:34:10 <jorendc> :p
15:34:11 <jmadero> that I'm on now?
15:34:14 <jmadero> it's a private one ;)
15:34:19 <jorendc> ooh :-)
15:34:22 <jorendc> that's why
15:34:31 <jmadero> minutes will be released later by Michael
15:35:02 <jorendc> cool, thanks
15:35:36 <jmadero> can you create a pdf from MSO? just want a "what it should look like" document
15:35:40 <jmadero> but I don't have MSO
15:35:56 <jorendc> yeah, I'll :-)
15:36:02 <jmadero> thanks :)
15:36:06 <jorendc> I have 'Word for Mac' also on my Mac OSX
15:36:12 <jorendc> so I don't need to restart this computer
15:36:17 <jmadero> excellent
15:36:32 <jmadero> I have MSO on my wife's computer but MS locked me out of it for installing too many times
15:36:37 <jmadero> (every install on same computer)
15:36:43 <jmadero> so now I have to go through their idiocy to get it unlocked
15:39:39 <jorendc> jmadero: uploaded
15:40:45 <jmadero> bug bug
15:40:51 <jmadero> thanks, that confirmed it :)
15:41:15 <jmadero> I'm trying to figure out this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58750
15:41:17 <IZBot> bug 58750: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Crash when "Format > Columns"
15:41:20 <jmadero> I don't understand the directions
15:42:39 <jorendc> jmadero: type 'dt' (without quotes)
15:42:44 <jorendc> and then press F3
15:42:53 <jmadero> do you see a crash?
15:43:19 * jorendc reproducing
15:43:53 <jmadero> I don't see crash
15:43:54 <jorendc> nops
15:44:04 <jorendc> jmadero: but see comments
15:44:09 <jorendc> I already tested that one :p
15:44:26 <jorendc> (on Mac OSX), but now I also can confirm on Ubuntu-> no crash
15:44:28 <jmadero> ah, Windows only
15:44:34 <jmadero> dangit
15:46:06 <jorendc> jmadero: [ See also: bug 58749 · bug 58751 · bug 58752 · bug 58760 ]
15:46:13 <jmadero> all related?
15:46:19 <jorendc> kind of yes
15:46:26 <jorendc> all with insert menu
15:46:28 <jorendc> all crash
15:46:42 <jorendc> see comment https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58750#c5
15:46:44 <IZBot> bug 58750: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Crash when "Format > Columns"
15:47:51 <jmadero> okay confirming another one right now
15:48:33 <jmadero> I was able to confirm this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59029
15:48:35 <IZBot> bug 59029: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Format Painter
15:50:02 <jorendc> jmadero: I didn't understand that one
15:50:21 <jorendc> what does alteration mean :s?
15:50:35 <jorendc> ooh, altering something
15:50:36 <jorendc> lol
15:51:04 <jorendc> jmadero: If you can confirm that, just set as NEW, I can't confirm that one... too hard to understand for me
15:52:12 <jmadero> I wrote down better steps to reproduce
15:52:57 <jorendc> thanks
15:53:13 <jorendc> jmadero: I saw your email btw; about links and table name etc
15:53:24 <jmadero> I'll help with that also :)
15:53:25 <jmadero> if you don't konw what a table is
15:53:31 <jmadero> good to first get all the tables on there, then we'll edit the wiki
15:53:36 <jmadero> with names and directions
15:54:39 <jorendc> I had problems with clicking on the links in the heading of that table
15:54:55 <jorendc> rainer add the link of every column in it's header
15:55:40 <jorendc> mmh, strange, now I don't have a problem with it anymore
15:55:44 <jorendc> only with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/query.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&email1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&field0-0-0=commenter&field0-1-0=commenter&field0-2-0=commenter&field0-3-0=commenter&field0-4-0=commenter&field0-5-0=commenter&field0-6-0=commenter&field0-7-0=commenter&field0-8-0=commenter&field0-8-1=commenter&field0-8-2=commenter&field0-8-3=commenter&field0
15:56:04 <jorendc> that's redirects me to the 'advanced search' page (and not to the list)
16:01:17 <jmadero> what are you searching for?
16:01:34 <jorendc> the links where I can find that numbers he entered in the table
16:01:59 <jorendc> this link he used for the 'Open Issue' table: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance%20desc&bug_status=__open__&product=LibreOffice&list_id=204192
16:02:14 <jorendc> 6788 bugs found.  awtch :s
16:02:15 <jorendc> :p
16:02:27 <jmadero> ah, I'll take a look later :)
16:02:38 <jmadero> that's not good though :-/
16:03:07 <jorendc> compared to 2197 on 2011/06/22
16:04:31 <jmadero> lol
16:04:51 <jmadero> I suspect there's an issue there :)
16:12:09 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58076
16:12:11 <IZBot> bug 58076: LibreOffice-Writer normal/high REOPENED RTF FILEOPEN import result 2 pages (1 page in LO 3.4)
16:12:15 <jorendc> what to do with this one?
16:12:35 <jorendc> it's reopened; but it's already assigned to miklos
16:12:36 <jmadero> oh crap
16:12:44 <jmadero> I've been forgetting to do something
16:12:47 <jmadero> lol
16:12:57 <jmadero> if you bibisect a bug we're supposed to add it in keywords or whiteboard status
16:13:00 <jmadero> sob
16:13:03 <jmadero> they asked for the stats and I didn't have them ;)
16:14:04 <jmadero> have you been doing this?
16:14:17 <jmadero> in whiteboard status we need to put bibisected40
16:14:20 <jorendc> I did :-)
16:14:31 <jmadero> damn lol you're already better than I am :)
16:14:52 <jorendc> lol, if you compare it to that ... I'm better in that yes xD
16:15:00 <jorendc> on other components ... mmh, no
16:16:55 <jmadero> so, I put some pressure on the QA team ;)
16:17:04 <jmadero> I said goal is to be down to 0 by next Friday
16:18:10 <jmadero> you were mentioned during the call :) look for the minutes shortly in the digest
16:18:37 <jorendc> :D
16:18:56 <jorendc> jmadero: where can I find them?
16:19:08 <jmadero> they come out through the dev mailing list
16:19:18 <jmadero> I think you already belong to that list
16:19:30 <jmadero> they are something like ESC Minutes DATE
16:19:34 <jmadero> something like that
16:20:51 <jorendc> ok :-)
16:20:55 <jorendc> jmadero: call is ended?
16:21:04 <jmadero> yeah it lasts about an hour
16:22:33 <jorendc> jmadero: in the whitelist, you don't need to seperate BSA and BIBISECTED40?
16:22:35 <jorendc> (just a question)
16:22:43 <jmadero> only if the bug was submitted through BSA
16:22:49 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59029
16:22:51 <IZBot> bug 59029: LibreOffice-Writer minor/highest NEW EDITING: Format Painter
16:22:53 <jmadero> if BSA is already there you add BIBISECTED40 next to it
16:22:56 <jmadero> yeah they submitted through BSA
16:23:00 <jmadero> so we leave that
16:23:09 <jmadero> two different stats :)
16:23:12 <jorendc> yeah I know :p but seperate it ... now it's "BSA bibisected40"
16:23:21 <jmadero> yeah because I bibisected it
16:23:22 <jorendc> but isn't it: "BSA, bibisected40"
16:23:29 <jmadero> oh, hm, not sure actually ;)
16:23:41 <jorendc> with a comma I mean :p
16:23:45 <jmadero> yeah I see that
16:23:47 <jmadero> I don't think it's needed
16:23:54 <jorendc> ok :-)
16:23:59 <jorendc> was just a question
16:24:09 <jorendc> saw that passing by in my email :p
16:25:41 <jmadero> so 67 bugs in 9 days
16:25:45 <jmadero> lol
16:25:53 <jmadero> today aim to get it down to 50?
16:25:55 <jmadero> I have a new idea
16:25:56 <jorendc> :p ... without reported new
16:26:02 <jorendc> sure
16:26:12 <jmadero> we don't replicate work, we work on different bugs unless we have a question then we request the other person take a look
16:26:14 <jorendc> but I can't do all bugs (I need to skip some bugs :p)
16:26:22 <jorendc> jmadero: good :-)
16:26:33 <jmadero> test with 3.6 first
16:26:39 <jmadero> if you can't reproduce with 3.6 then try master
16:31:17 <jmadero> okay have to get to work
16:31:22 <jmadero> I'll be back in half hour
16:31:28 <jorendc> sure :-)
16:31:32 <jorendc> maybe I need to study then again
16:31:39 <jorendc> (exam tomorrow)
18:05:35 <jorendc> hi jmadero
18:05:49 <jorendc> I was scrolling through the 'minutes of ESC call' :-)
18:06:01 <jorendc> saw this passing by: FOSDEM: Easy QA introduction: bug triage etc. (Cor?)
18:07:34 <jorendc> maybe we can translate your flowchart to other languages? (Ok, the submitter/triager need to read and write understandable English .. but maybe it reduce the step a bit to traige some bugs)
18:20:43 <jmadero> jorendc_afk: translations would be good, but I need to get the original draw file up
18:20:45 <jmadero> (on my list)
18:20:45 <jmadero> ;)
18:20:57 <jorendc_afk> jmadero: :D
18:21:24 <jorendc_afk> but the problem is ... if triagers doesn't understand the english flowchart ...
18:21:41 <jorendc_afk> I don't think they can understand the bug reporter and write a comment down
18:21:42 <jmadero> yes, I know:) that is just a guideline anways
18:21:48 <jmadero> oh yeah, that's true
18:21:49 <jmadero> lol
18:21:57 <jmadero> well we'll think about that after release of 4
18:22:00 <jorendc_afk> indeed :-)
18:22:05 <jmadero> we're down to 58 bugs
18:22:10 <jorendc_afk> I saw that
18:22:11 <jmadero> a ton are Windows only
18:22:27 <jorendc_afk> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59201
18:22:29 <IZBot> bug 59201: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED VIEWING: the new "Templates and Documents"-window is unfunctional and unconfortable
18:23:12 <jorendc_afk> this are awefull bugs IMHO :p... Someone who say 'unconfortable' ... I mean :p ... that's a point of view
18:23:28 <jorendc_afk> and I don't use templates :p
18:23:45 <jorendc_afk> so ... for me that are awefull bugs :p
18:25:17 <jmadero> CC Cedric on that one
18:25:26 <jmadero> if you can confirm it go ahead and mark as NEW but he should be aware of it
18:26:02 <jorendc_afk> I can't ... because I don't use it
18:28:59 <jmadero> ah, well cedric can be cc'ed on it
18:29:02 <jmadero> want me to do that?
18:29:15 <jorendc_afk> jmadero: yes please there are a lots of cedrics
18:29:22 <jorendc_afk> is it the 'bosbo...' one?
18:29:51 <jorendc_afk> *bosdo
18:31:50 <jmadero> yeah, done :)
18:36:02 <jmadero> jorendc_afk: willing to install the traditional chinese version of LibO ;)?
18:36:44 <jorendc_afk> haha :D
18:36:46 <jorendc_afk> which bug?
18:37:36 <jorendc_afk> (after that I need to go study... tomorrow exam) but I will
18:37:48 <jmadero> oh no just go study ;)
18:37:52 <jmadero> I'll install alter tonight, no biggy
18:38:01 <jmadero> I might get it down to 40 today :)
18:38:22 <jorendc_afk> no problem, you can assign that one to me
18:38:39 <jorendc_afk> I think it'll be funny to see a chinese LO xD
18:38:47 <jorendc_afk> Jacky Chan style
18:39:58 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59158&list_id=203492
18:40:00 <jmadero> :)
18:40:02 <IZBot> bug 59158: LibreOffice-Localization major/medium UNCONFIRMED site link is wrong
18:40:13 <jmadero> jorendc_afk: when you installed did navigator dialog come up by default?
18:40:31 <jorendc_afk> okay :D
18:40:44 <jorendc_afk> first see where I can download that chinese traditional version
18:41:40 <jmadero> no I meant on English version
18:41:42 <jmadero> or Dutch version
18:42:54 <jorendc_afk> no, can't confirm that behavior
18:43:00 <jorendc_afk> installed RC1 today ...
18:43:04 <jorendc_afk> no navigator
18:43:16 <jmadero> RC1 is out?
18:43:22 <jmadero> I need to update FDO
18:43:22 <jmadero> dangit
18:43:22 <jmadero> haha
18:43:42 <jorendc_afk> jmadero: be quiet :p, they are already uploading it
18:43:45 <jorendc_afk> (see mail)
18:43:52 <jmadero> too much mail:)
18:44:18 <jorendc_afk> jmadero: Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here:
18:44:32 <jorendc_afk> mail today, 10:37 UTC
18:44:52 <jorendc_afk> (11:37 here in Belgium)
18:45:18 <jorendc_afk> (AM)
18:46:13 <jmadero> nice, just added to FDO
18:46:28 <jmadero> now to update bsa
18:46:57 <jorendc_afk> oh, I see :-)
18:50:21 <jorendc_afk> lol ...
18:50:25 <jorendc_afk> chinese traditional :s
18:50:35 <jorendc_afk> I don't understand anything of it
18:50:38 <jmadero> lol
18:50:45 <jmadero> guess at where the "about" is
18:50:48 <jmadero> try to find that link
18:50:52 <jorendc_afk> :D I know
18:50:59 <jmadero> I forgot my password for mailing list management
18:50:59 <jmadero> haha
18:51:06 <jorendc_afk> I think I found it (3the link I clicked on)
18:51:23 <jmadero> nice, verified problem?
18:51:40 <jorendc_afk> no, because I don't see any link
18:51:44 <jorendc_afk> I'll upload image
18:51:45 <jmadero> haha
18:52:46 <jorendc_afk> but the report link is correct
18:53:01 <jorendc_afk> (I clicked on it while searching for about page
18:53:15 <jmadero> the report link? the corrected one or the original
18:53:22 <jorendc_afk> and I was redirected to: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/?LOversion=4.0.0.1&LOlocale=zh-TW&LOmodule=StartModule
18:53:33 <jorendc_afk> zh-TW, so that's good
18:53:42 <jmadero> oh okay, but he says we have it as zh
18:54:11 <jorendc_afk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hh7eo7suwy6k0ip/Schermafbeelding%202013-01-10%20om%2019.42.45.png
18:54:22 <jorendc_afk> that's the about box :p
18:54:27 <jorendc_afk> so ... I don't see any link
18:54:45 <jmadero> lol nor do I
18:55:19 <jorendc_afk> I clicked on every character :p
18:55:21 <jorendc_afk> no link
18:55:50 <jmadero> haha no worries, go study
18:55:53 <jmadero> going to seek out a Chinese speaker
18:56:22 <jorendc_afk> xD
18:56:32 <jorendc_afk> ok ... now change UI language back to dutch xD
18:56:34 <jorendc_afk> god dammid
18:56:49 <jorendc_afk> haha, I need to guess where it is :')
18:56:52 <jorendc_afk> I love this
18:56:54 <jorendc_afk> :'-
18:56:58 <jorendc_afk> :'-)*
18:57:31 <jmadero> lol
18:57:41 <jorendc_afk> \o/ found it
18:57:47 <jmadero> sweet
18:58:09 <jorendc_afk> haha :p
19:05:16 <jorendc_afk> kendy: a bug for you? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59208
19:05:18 <IZBot> bug 59208: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [PERSONAS] Artifacts left when personas run out of content
19:06:49 <jorendc_afk> jmadero: got to go now; need to study a bit more
19:06:50 <jorendc_afk> :-)
19:07:21 <jmadero> good luck!
19:07:24 <jorendc_afk> maybe I'll see you later on the evening
19:07:30 <jorendc_afk> (in the day for you :p)
19:07:32 <jorendc_afk> thanks :D
19:07:45 <jorendc_afk> thumbs up tonight (= morning for me :D)
19:08:04 <jorendc_afk> bye
19:20:10 <kendy> jmadero: Please tell jorendc that indeed, that's a bug for me :-)  Olivier already told me, but good to track it in bugzilla.
19:21:23 * kendy took it in bugzilla
19:23:00 <jmadero> kendy: thanks for the update
19:23:03 <jmadero> bug count is falling :)
04:25:31 <jmadero> yeah
13:27:20 <markit> hi, I've got an email about a bug I triaged that says it's been solved with rc1... in http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ I see still beta2, is rc1 coming soon?
13:27:46 <jorendc_phone> hi markit
13:27:56 <jorendc_phone> yes, probably tomorrow
13:28:45 <jorendc_phone> you can download it now already
13:36:06 <markit> thanks :)
13:37:03 <jorendc_phone> don't spread the word too much with the link I send you
13:40:13 <jorendc_phone> isn'( official yet
13:44:08 <markit> jorendc_phone: I will tell to noone if is a problem I can also wait to confirm that the bug has been solved with rc1
13:44:13 <markit> tell me what to do
13:44:31 <markit> (I was just wondering if there was something broken on the site, since I was still at beta2)
13:44:37 <jorendc_phone> you can download it anyway now :)
13:44:52 <jorendc_phone> but just don't spread the word to much :-)
13:44:59 <jorendc_phone> That link isn't mirrored yet
13:46:23 <jorendc_phone> see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-January/043721.html
13:51:33 <markit> This build is in a release configuration and _will_ replace your
13:51:34 <markit> existing LibreOffice install on Windows
13:51:39 <markit> what about GNU/Linux ?
13:51:58 <jorendc_phone> don't know :s
13:52:16 <jorendc_phone> I think the same
13:52:30 <markit> mmm only 69 items in changelog... is 4.0 because breaks some API?
13:52:36 <jorendc_phone> Maybe first take a backup?
13:52:47 <markit> seems a minor update if we just count bugs fixed
13:53:26 <jorendc_phone> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
13:57:19 <markit> jorendc_phone: I see, thanks :)
14:11:28 <Sweetshark> .
14:11:45 <jmadero> Sweetshark: morning
14:11:50 <jmadero> starting the conference yes?
14:12:34 <Sweetshark> trying.
14:13:34 <jmadero> is it rejecting your code?
14:13:39 <jmadero> it did that for me, I had to call back in
14:17:15 <jmadero> jorendc_phone: you calling in?
14:17:39 <jorendc_phone> I will; but on phone right now
14:17:59 <jorendc_phone> I'm ending my conversation here
14:19:00 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
14:19:16 <jmadero> #endmeeting
14:19:28 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
14:19:48 <jmadero> #endmeeting
14:19:54 <jorendc_phone> I will call in now
14:19:59 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
14:19:59 <jorendc_phone> what's the roomnumber?
14:20:09 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Contact
14:20:15 <jorendc_phone> thanks
14:45:06 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA
14:45:17 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-Team
15:00:59 <jorendc_phone> there are 2 QA-team pages: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-Team and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Team
15:10:29 <jorendc_phone> (in the mean time while listening and scrolling through the current QA page ^
15:10:30 <jmadero> jorendc_phone: yes   both of those need updated, make them look cleaner, more informative, etc...
15:10:44 <jorendc_phone> ok; but which one we'll delete
15:10:45 <jorendc_phone> ?
15:10:47 <jmadero> I have to get ready for work but I'll be back in an hour or so
15:10:49 <jmadero> thanks for joining the call :)
15:10:52 <jmadero> oh no don't delete :)
15:10:57 <jmadero> just clean up, we're keeping both
15:11:02 <jmadero> QA_Team should just be a list of people
15:11:06 <jmadero> a table
15:11:09 <jmadero> oh
15:11:10 <jmadero> I see :)
15:11:10 <jmadero> haha
15:11:14 <jmadero> give me a moment
15:11:30 <jorendc_phone> :p but a copy of 2 team-lists xD?
15:12:20 <jmadero> lol, okay don't delete yet, I need to contact Rainer
15:12:26 <jorendc_phone> sure
15:12:32 <jmadero> but I think we should do work on this one https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-Team
15:12:39 <jorendc_phone> ok
15:12:42 <jmadero> that one is older
15:12:53 <jmadero> but because of copyright we can't just delete without Rainer's permission :)
15:12:58 <jorendc_phone> ok :-)
15:13:01 <jmadero> or shouldn't at least:)
15:13:07 <jmadero> okay time for me to get ready for work
15:13:12 <jmadero> I'm in the lobby of my apartment freezing
15:13:12 <jmadero> haha
15:13:22 <jmadero> talk to you in about an hour
15:13:28 <jorendc_phone> :-)
15:13:31 <jorendc_phone> haha
15:13:36 <jorendc_phone> ok, see you later
15:13:38 <jmadero> we'll add the info about what we talked to to the triage page
15:13:41 <jmadero> about using invalid and what not
15:13:44 <jmadero> okay talk to you soon
16:41:47 <jorendc_phone> hi markit :-)
16:42:19 <jorendc> had some important calls to make;
16:42:53 <jorendc> had a busy week?
16:47:11 <jorendc> welcome back jmadero
16:47:12 <jmadero> markit: good to see you in the chat
16:47:22 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks, car problems this morning after the call :-/
16:47:33 <jorendc> I think he's quite busy, pinged him 5 minutes ago
16:47:38 <jorendc> ow :s
16:47:41 <jorendc> that isn't good
16:47:45 <jorendc> what kind of problems?
16:47:51 <jorendc> starting the engine?
16:48:12 <jmadero> yeah, either battery, starter or fuel pump
16:48:13 <jmadero> I hate card
16:48:14 <jmadero> cars
16:48:30 <jorendc> mmh, it's freezing over there?
16:49:27 <jmadero> no, just a crappy car;)
16:49:34 <jmadero> san diego doesn't freeze
16:49:40 <jorendc> oh ok :p
16:49:58 <jmadero> our normal daily range for temperature is 65-90 F
16:50:11 <jorendc> jmadero: I don't want to insulte Kohei, ... so, kohei = japanese, right? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59246
16:50:15 <IZBot> bug 59246: LibreOffice-Writer major/medium UNCONFIRMED character preview of special character dialog cannot display completely
16:50:26 <jmadero> he is Japanese :)
16:50:34 <jorendc> I just installed japanese version, but can't find that characters in my 'character list'
16:50:42 <jmadero> ping him
16:50:47 <jorendc> she isn't around
16:50:59 <jorendc> oh wait
16:51:01 <jorendc> I think I missed him :p
16:51:01 <jmadero> he'll be around in an hour or so
16:53:20 <jorendc> jmadero: I can't explain myself on telephone I guess :p
16:53:34 <jmadero> jorendc: I thought you did fine ;)
16:53:42 <jorendc> I stutter a lot and can't find the good words :p
16:53:52 <jmadero> it's just about balancing logic with time consumption
16:53:53 <jorendc> I hope it'll be better next time
16:53:56 <jmadero> I didn't notice stuttering ;)
16:54:15 <jmadero> I thought you were clear
16:54:20 <jmadero> and your points were valid
16:54:49 <jorendc> If they weren't I just keep my mouth and listen :D
16:54:58 <jorendc> sorry, I have a girlfriend xD
16:55:08 <jorendc> I have experience on that last one ;-)
16:55:11 <jmadero> lol
16:55:29 <jmadero> it gets even more like that when girlfriend becomes wife;)
16:55:41 <jorendc> ooh nooooo :D;
16:56:06 <jorendc> you're married a while ago?
16:56:15 <jorendc> you*
16:56:37 <jmadero> little over a year
16:56:55 <jmadero> been with my wife nearly 8 years though
16:57:11 <jorendc> ooh, that's nice
16:57:30 <jorendc> keep it that way ^^
16:57:43 <jorendc> (btw, here in Europe (except for the British) we don't use Faherenheit)
16:57:56 <jmadero> I know :)
16:57:59 <jmadero> that's why I put F
16:58:06 <jorendc> 65 F is about 18°C :p
16:58:11 <jmadero> no one reasonable uses Faherenheit ;)
16:58:12 <jorendc> that's euh ... kind of hot :D
16:58:56 <jorendc> (in winter terms)
16:59:24 <jmadero> yeah, our range is quite small
16:59:36 <jmadero> at night we're around 35 - 50 F
17:00:57 <jorendc> Ok, I'll move to you :D
17:01:04 <jorendc> I'm going to be your new neigbour
17:01:42 <jorendc> ok, 35F isn't that much; almost freezing ...
17:01:56 <jorendc> but ... It's freezing over here ..
17:02:26 <jorendc> and we hit only 36F today
17:02:44 <jorendc> (= noon)
17:06:30 <jmadero> lol
17:08:27 <jmadero> 46 bugs, think today's goal is 35
17:08:57 <jorendc> ok :-)
17:09:08 <jorendc> I just send the japanese discuss mailinglist an email
17:09:26 <jorendc> kohei is currently debuggin and have no time
17:09:35 <jorendc> + he wouldn't be the only one who take care of japanese bugs
17:10:10 <jorendc> so I excused me and he proposed to send it to the QA mailinglist, or to the japanase mailinglist
17:10:17 <jorendc> so I did that last option :-)
17:10:37 <jorendc> thus... we can do -1 :p
17:18:19 <jorendc> can you reproduce this one? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59251
17:18:24 <IZBot> bug 59251: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/medium UNCONFIRMED Crash using the new conditional formatting option "Icon set"
17:19:52 <jmadero> trying now
17:22:14 <jmadero> hm I don't think I have data bar option any more
17:22:21 <jmadero> wonder if markus took it out
17:22:34 <jmadero> lol nvm
17:22:37 <jmadero> was using 3.6b ;)
17:23:09 <jmadero> wish we allowed diagonal fill
17:25:50 <jorendc> :p
17:26:04 <jmadero> jorendc: no I can't reproduce
17:26:14 <jmadero> WFM, moggi has done a ton of work to that stuff
17:26:18 <jmadero> probably fixed between beta and master
17:26:23 <jorendc> okay :-)
17:26:28 <jorendc> I'll comment that
17:26:49 <jmadero> ask him to retest with RC that is coming out in the coming days
17:26:50 <jmadero> and if still a problem to reopen
17:28:22 <jorendc> ok :)
17:31:22 <jorendc> jmadero: do you use a couple of 'default comments' (and copy/paste and alter them a bit when commenting on a bug)
17:31:31 <jorendc> or do you always start from scratch?
17:33:00 <jmadero> start from scratch but I've considered a default
17:33:03 <jmadero> default would be more efficient
17:34:23 <jorendc> yeah, I thought about it when I close the QA call
17:36:00 <jorendc> but jmadero I don't want to comment a 100% standardized comment
17:36:32 <jorendc> we also doesn't want a 'standard letter' from a company
17:37:23 <jorendc> we need to be a bit more efficient, but we may not loose our 'customer service"
17:39:22 <jorendc> but we do need a standard mail for discuss lists
17:39:40 <jorendc> I'm now going to send an email to the thai discuss list :p
17:39:46 <jorendc> I don't want to install also thai :D
17:41:07 <jmadero> haha
17:41:25 <jmadero> word of advice, never ever get stuck in a job you hate ;)
17:41:28 <jmadero> I'll be back
17:42:03 <jorendc> poor you :( ... I hope you can go study fast :o
17:42:16 <jmadero> lol not poor me, I made my choices ;)
17:42:21 <jmadero> just don't make the same choice haha
17:42:27 <jmadero> if you hate the job, look for something better immediately
17:49:03 <jorendc> :-à
17:49:06 <jorendc> :-)
17:49:09 <jorendc> I will
17:49:40 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe we can have a bug tracker also here in the IRC channel?
17:50:07 <jorendc> '#libreoffice' channel has one I saw
17:50:30 <jmadero> sure, remind me and we'll add to next agenda
17:50:38 <jorendc> :-) I will
18:01:39 <jorendc> we have no thai mailinglist :p?
18:02:05 <jmadero> hm, not sure
18:03:54 <markit> jmadero: hi, I'm back, trying to purge debian libo and install libo4.0rc1
18:04:10 <jmadero> markit: not daily build?
18:04:29 <markit> jmadero: I've not found daily builds for debian, only empty dir
18:04:44 <markit> am I looking at the wrong place (the official one)?
18:04:48 <jmadero> markit: that's not good :-/ wonder if tinderbox is borked
18:04:59 <jmadero> jorendc: don't you install daily?
18:05:01 <markit> jmadero: let me check again, I checked at beta2 times
18:05:03 <jmadero> oh just for mac right
18:05:08 <jorendc> I do
18:05:17 <jorendc> I build them, on Ubuntu only
18:05:20 <markit> as usual GNU/Linux is the cinerella
18:05:22 <jorendc> not mac;
18:05:35 <jmadero> markit: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/libreoffice-4-0/Linux-x86_64_11-Release-Configuration/2013-01-08_03.34.40/
18:05:54 <jorendc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIqOOajdYQ I followed that walkthrough to build LO
18:05:55 <IZBot> YouTube - LibreOffice Build Demo (tty recording for apt/deb based systems) by: clophYT - 05:26
18:05:59 <markit> jmadero: I've seen that, but no program there
18:06:11 <markit> jmadero: except has been sqeezed in 9MB ;P
18:06:16 <jorendc> takes 1 houre 10 minutes on intel core i5
18:06:22 <jmadero> markit: sort by size
18:06:27 <jmadero> I see two over 180 megs
18:06:43 <jmadero> nvm, one over 180, 1 over 170 :)
18:06:56 <jmadero> and one is the debian build
18:06:57 * markit blind
18:07:10 <jmadero> (I thought the same thing that you did at first, then I clicked size and was like "there we go")
18:07:11 <jmadero> :)
18:07:13 <jorendc> lol jmadero ... 10MB difference :D that'll make difference xD
18:07:25 <jmadero> just shows how debian package is better ;)
18:07:28 <jmadero> saved 10 megs
18:07:30 <jmadero> same product
18:07:35 <jmadero> (I'm biased)
18:07:51 <jorendc> :p
18:07:53 <jmadero> markit: and jorendc is right, maybe build ?
18:08:02 <jmadero> then you can keep up to date with latest patches relatively quickly
18:08:05 <jmadero> most times < 10 minutes
18:08:05 <markit> jmadero: wow, did not know was sortable clicking on tha column
18:08:40 <jmadero> although my pull/make yesterday took 4.5 hours
18:08:40 <markit> jmadero: I need a bigger hd, mine is full of crap no space left for builds
18:08:41 <jmadero> lol
18:08:47 <jmadero> ah, understood
18:08:51 <jmadero> my install is >20 gigs
18:08:52 <jmadero> haha
18:09:00 <jmadero> >25 with dependencies I think
18:09:08 <markit> File system     Dim. Usati Dispon. Uso% Montato su
18:09:10 <markit> rootfs          1,7T  1,6T     20G  99% /
18:09:12 <markit> sigh
18:09:23 <jorendc> :p
18:09:27 <markit> was Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
18:09:30 <jorendc> markit: KDE bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58565
18:09:32 <IZBot> bug 58565: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED File -> Open -> not functions browse
18:09:54 <jmadero> lol
18:09:54 <jorendc> 1,7TB :o?
18:10:01 <jorendc> howly moly that's a lot of data
18:10:02 <jorendc> :D
18:10:09 <jmadero> jorendc: remember our discussion about comments on fdo
18:10:12 <jmadero> and prizes for triaging
18:10:26 <jmadero> how can we even get those stats from FDO?
18:10:26 <jorendc> jmadero: yes
18:10:28 <jmadero> any ideas
18:10:34 <jmadero> I can't think of a way to easily pull that list
18:10:39 <jorendc> mmh
18:10:46 <jorendc> I'll have a look
18:10:49 <jmadero> you can search for a single user
18:10:51 <jmadero> like my name
18:10:54 <jmadero> but you can't get a list
18:10:58 <jmadero> which is the only functional way to do it
18:10:58 <markit> jorendc: I've about 40Gb of youtube video "wow, interesting, I donwload the entire serie now will have a look later"... NEVER seen so far :(
18:11:18 <jmadero> markit: why not just use xbmc and use youtube plugin?
18:11:25 <jmadero> then you can just go and add favorites
18:11:27 <markit> the bigger the hd, the more crap you put there
18:11:33 <jmadero> (agreed)
18:11:33 <jmadero> ;)
18:11:40 <jmadero> I'm at 2.4 TB
18:11:42 <jmadero> haha
18:11:44 <markit> jmadero: because I fear that could be removed
18:11:55 <jmadero> I found myself subscribing to an absurd amount of podcasts
18:11:56 <markit> internet is not that static... I've also a long bookmark list
18:12:05 <jorendc> oh :), that are around 6 LO installations :p (mine are 6 GB I think)
18:12:10 <markit> timest to time I visit some links to see if still there... and they are not
18:12:40 <markit> well, back to libo, let me try this installation
18:13:55 <jmadero> markit:  you see the link now in the topic
18:14:02 <jmadero> QA goal is to have that list to 0 by next Friday
18:14:05 <jorendc> jmadero: about fdo comments ... we can make a list manual of people we do see frequent in comment
18:14:06 <jmadero> any help appreciated
18:14:12 <jmadero> jorendc: that's so tedious
18:14:16 <jmadero> I'm hoping to avoid that
18:14:17 <jorendc> it is
18:14:23 <jmadero> and if a new user gets really active
18:14:25 <markit> urgh, very optimistic, but let's try
18:14:26 <jmadero> to win the prize
18:14:26 <jmadero> they lose out
18:14:33 <jmadero> markit:  only 44 left
18:14:34 <jorendc> and just select 20 people on that base ...
18:14:53 <jmadero> jorendc has been getting through them quickly;)
18:15:01 <jmadero> jorendc: I was thinking why not use QA contact
18:15:09 <jmadero> that's how we track, when a triager does it, add your name
18:15:16 <jmadero> really easy to filter and get a whole list
18:15:27 <jorendc> mmh, that's a good one
18:15:48 <jmadero> then I think we look at a sample of the winners comments
18:15:53 <jmadero> if they look mostly good, they win
18:16:00 <jmadero> if they look bad, we ban them from future contests
18:16:07 <jmadero> and warn them about wasting our time
18:16:07 <jmadero> ;)
18:16:13 <jorendc> haha
18:16:16 <jmadero> (maybe I'll get warned;) )
18:16:16 <jmadero> haha
18:16:19 <jmadero> I'll ban myself
18:16:22 <jorendc> lol
18:16:30 <jorendc> but maybe the QA contact is a possibility
18:16:39 <jmadero> I think it si the most practical
18:18:03 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
18:18:07 <jmadero> dangit
18:18:44 <jorendc> jmadero: what's that feature for?
18:19:19 <jmadero> makes our minutes look pretty like this http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org/meetbot/libreoffice-qa/2012/libreoffice-qa.2012-12-14-14.10.html
18:19:30 <jmadero> #endmeeting
18:19:40 <jmadero> and auto uploads them
18:21:02 <jmadero> markit: any chance you'll be joining our QA calls?
18:21:05 <jorendc> oh nice :)
18:21:17 <jmadero> but now I have to manually make the minute
18:21:18 <jmadero> s
18:21:19 <markit> jmadero: voice call? zero
18:22:19 <jmadero> ok
18:25:13 <jorendc> that's pity :(
18:25:23 <jmadero> (I didn't want to say that, but I agree) ;)
18:25:33 <jmadero> I think ideally we would have 5 regular callers
18:25:36 <jmadero> right now we have 4-5
18:25:40 <jmadero> maybe more like 3-4
18:25:41 <jmadero> ;)
18:26:55 <markit> mmm really kde integration we provide is... for kde3
18:26:59 <markit> sigh
18:27:12 <markit> and the program is not in K menu also
18:27:44 <jorendc> mmmh, I saw some bugs passing by with KDE 3 version
18:27:48 <markit> so wondering what can I day about this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58565  works here
18:27:52 <IZBot> bug 58565: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED File -> Open -> not functions browse
18:28:44 <jmadero> we need someone with kde3 to test yes?
18:30:54 <jmadero> can someone paste the Euro symbol for me
18:30:56 <jmadero> I can't find it in US Libo
18:31:51 <markit> jmadero: no, the problem is that with KDE4 we provide kde3 integration
18:32:09 <markit> jmadero: kde3 is marginal, kde4 is widely used and developed
18:32:20 <markit> €
18:32:27 <markit> jmadero: €€€€
18:32:32 <jmadero> thanks :)
18:32:33 <jmadero> haha
18:32:44 <jmadero> so it's that we don't have kde4 integration?
18:32:48 <jmadero> enhancement request?
18:32:57 * jorendc trying to find a damn euro symbol on his BELGIAN AZERTY keyboard
18:32:57 <markit> jmadero: already present as bug, let me dig
18:33:06 <jorendc> €... oh there it is
18:33:29 <markit> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58756
18:33:31 <IZBot> bug 58756: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium NEW Drop KDE 3 support (KDE 4 Native Widget Framework needed)
18:34:35 <markit> mmm btw, here it was not installed
18:35:08 <jmadero> Lucian is one of the marketing people, I'm hesitant to close it (although I think we should)
18:35:23 <markit> oh, no it is, just with different name than what I expected
18:35:49 <markit> jmadero: what bug?
18:36:02 <jmadero> 58565
18:42:36 * jorendc going to eat
18:43:28 <jorendc> jmadero: 42 bugs found. ... If I come back in 30 minutes ... I would like to see a 41 or 40 xD
18:43:40 <jorendc> no, just kidding; don't worry about that :p
18:43:48 <jmadero> jorendc: lol working on minutes but I hope it's lower than that ;)
18:43:55 <jorendc> ;-)
18:44:08 * jorendc_eat brb
18:44:13 <jmadero> enjoy
18:44:36 <jorendc_eat> thanks
18:47:56 <markit> jmadero: 58565 I add an attach with "works for me", ok?
19:10:05 <jorendc> 43 bugs found.  :o nooooooooo
19:10:07 <jorendc> :p
19:12:17 <jmadero> lol side tracked haha
19:14:35 <jorendc> jmadero: I'll restart my Mac OSX (have here a dualboot also ... windows 7 :p)
19:14:46 <jorendc> I know ... windows 7 on a mac...xD
19:15:02 <jorendc> then I can install windows 7 here and try to verify some W7 bugs
19:15:21 * jorendc but first going to do another task
19:15:26 * jorendc will be right back
19:16:33 <jmadero> jorendc: perfect
19:21:55 <jmadero> markit: can we request action items of you during our QA call? small things?
19:22:11 <jmadero> or do you prefer just kind of being independent :)
19:22:25 <jmadero> either way is fine, just a few small tasks on the list that if you're willing I'll assign to you
19:22:27 <jmadero> "assign"
20:40:35 <jmadero> jorendc:  down to 36 :)
20:51:57 <jorendc> nice jmadero :D
20:52:10 <jorendc> In 5 minutes i'll reboot to windows
20:52:18 <jorendc> my work is done here :-)
20:52:25 <jorendc> so, full evening to test lo :D
20:55:02 <jmadero> jorendc: nice, maybe get down to 25 :)
20:56:28 <jorendc> :D,
20:58:23 <jmadero> you saw the minutes?
20:59:58 <jorendc> I'm reading it right now :-)
21:00:06 <jorendc> I finished*
21:00:14 <jorendc> good summary
21:00:41 <jorendc> I'll restart now to Windows 7
21:01:13 <jorendc> <terminator style> I'll be back </terminator style>
21:16:24 <jorendc> oh dangit, I hate windows
21:16:39 <jorendc> My memory is refreshed why I left it now
21:16:46 <jorendc> update here, update there, update everywhere
21:17:26 <jorendc> If Windows could run, Even a snail will pass him by with a relative speed of the speed of light
21:25:13 <markit> jmadero: back, reading
21:25:48 <markit> jmadero: what are "action items"?
21:25:59 <jmadero> just "tasks" like a to do list
21:26:07 <jmadero> http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org/meetbot/libreoffice-qa/2012/libreoffice-qa.2012-12-14-14.10.html
21:26:18 <jmadero> if you look at the end of that list it shows kind of tasks indidividuals agreed to
21:26:20 <markit> btw, the bug list remaining is really hard to smash, I've seen bugs about asian languages or something I'm unable to test
21:26:30 <jmadero> markit: agreed :-/
21:26:39 <jmadero> so then it becomes QA team to search for someone who can do it
21:26:51 <jorendc> indeed
21:26:51 <jmadero> jorendc has been emailing mailing lists to request a tester
21:27:06 <jorendc> but I can't find a thai one
21:27:07 <jorendc> :s
21:27:10 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm going to start pulling all bugs every day
21:27:15 <jmadero> I like stats ;)
21:27:34 <jorendc> I love it too :-)
21:27:47 <jorendc> you are going to start a same sheet as rainer?
21:28:01 <jmadero> no, I have an idea that I'm going to try out
21:28:04 <jmadero> if it works, we'll collaborate
21:28:05 <jmadero> might totally fail
21:28:06 <jmadero> ;)
21:28:26 <jorendc> sure :) let me know
21:28:46 <jmadero> I'm trying to figure out if I can automate a pull of the lists every morning, that would be tremendous
21:28:50 <jmadero> using wget
21:29:00 <markit> btw, we could ask the reporter if has some associations or whatever in Thai that could collaborate
21:29:11 <jmadero> markit: great idea
21:29:19 <jorendc> mmh, good point
21:29:21 <jmadero> what we don't want though is for person A to ask friend person B just to mark confirmed
21:29:26 <jorendc> jmadero: wget?
21:29:35 <jmadero> terminal command that can pull a list
21:29:39 <jmadero> or other thign :)
21:29:42 <jmadero> just can download
21:29:48 <markit> jmadero: sure, but now we have no possibility to triage Thai
21:29:53 <jorendc> oh, ok
21:29:55 <markit> so a) that one is the only Thai user
21:30:02 <jmadero> markit: very true
21:30:07 <markit> b) there are many others... maybe someone willing to collaborate
21:30:09 <jmadero> I'd say that is a great option in this case
21:30:09 <jmadero> :)
21:30:17 <jmadero> +1 :)
21:30:20 <jorendc> +2
21:30:20 <markit> maybe he can tell us about some associations and we can contact them in english
21:30:25 <markit> or something like that
21:30:49 <markit> in any case, wondering if we have a Thai - compatible developer ;P
21:31:24 <jorendc> I was asking myself the same question yesterday :p
21:31:56 <markit> I'm struggling with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58368
21:31:59 <IZBot> bug 58368: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED CONFIGURATION: Change of margin when changing Page Layout style
21:32:00 * jorendc update update update update ... :( I hate Microsoft :'(
21:32:10 <markit> the reporter insists about the new bug, but I can't reproduce
21:32:30 * markit update update update I STILL hate M$ ;P
21:32:51 <jmadero> seems like such a simple concept for MS$, one question "would you like to update now"
21:32:53 <jmadero> yes/no button
21:33:02 <jorendc> haha :D
21:33:03 <jmadero> instead forces these full system updates that last an hour or two
21:33:13 <jorendc> the whole OS is build on that concept
21:33:17 <markit> oh I thought that "update" meant "news about me"
21:33:28 <jorendc> every update is 'something new'
21:33:37 <jorendc> so I have installed 10 new things today
21:33:41 <markit> yep, usually a EULA refinement ;P
21:33:43 <jorendc> and still installing
21:33:56 <jmadero> a EULA refinement that says "you cannot sue us no matter how bad we are"
21:33:58 <jorendc> I'll have a complete new OS after these
21:34:03 <jmadero> lol
21:34:04 <jorendc> haha
21:34:22 <jmadero> I don't mind pay for software
21:34:30 <jmadero> I mean I understand it's a job, not everything is based on volunteers
21:34:34 <jmadero> but at least don't be assholes about it
21:34:46 <jorendc> please buy our new windows 8 OS; You'll even get more updates
21:34:49 <markit> btw, I've noticed that reporters are usually very collaborative... so your plan to reply / confirm bugs in short time will have a very positive impact (psychological) on users
21:35:05 <markit> "they care about me and the problems of LiBo, so I will help them"
21:35:08 <jorendc> yes indeed
21:35:23 <jmadero> yeah, that was my argument when I joined LibO
21:35:25 <jorendc> we need to try this speed up
21:35:30 <jorendc> but what with the older ones :s
21:35:31 <jmadero> <60 days is good
21:35:34 <jmadero> <30 days is ideal
21:36:06 <jmadero> our team needs to double in size and I think it'll be manageable
21:36:14 <jmadero> which I think is doable
21:36:26 <jorendc> yeps
21:36:47 <jorendc> how did OOo this?
21:36:54 <jorendc> they did better?
21:36:59 <jorendc> they still do better?
21:37:36 <markit> wow, I can confirm that bug now!!!
21:37:44 <markit> so strange!
21:37:51 <markit> let me dig further
21:39:12 <jorendc> me has finally installed RC1 on windows 7 ...
21:39:24 <jorendc> that 20 damn minutes :s
21:39:37 <jorendc> on Mac osx = 3 minutes or so
21:41:58 <jorendc> nice markit
21:42:08 <jorendc> maybe because of newer build?
21:42:36 <markit> maybe because I purged previous installation and some global config went lost? boh
21:42:50 <markit> I'll upload a video as attachment
21:42:55 <jmadero> 1 more down :)
21:43:04 <jmadero> lol < 10 megs or something like that
21:43:06 <jmadero> for attachment
21:43:12 <markit> but is not as reporter says, if you save the document it happens again
21:43:23 <markit> 998K
21:43:23 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm back to mixed feelings about what we agreed on earlier
21:43:25 <jmadero> with status'
21:43:34 <jmadero> I'm goign to think of test cases
21:43:41 <jmadero> and see how each of us would mark it
21:43:48 <jorendc> ok
21:43:58 <markit> I record at 10fps and, sigh, with h264 (my program works very badwly with webm, what a shame that free software works so often better with proprietary formats)
21:44:35 <jmadero> at least now it fits :)
21:44:48 <jorendc> I'm struggling with the fact that there will be no difference between 'new' and 'unconfirmed' ... because it goes from 'unconfirmed' -> 'needinfo' -> 'new' ... ok, under revesion of a QA member ...
21:44:50 <jorendc> but that's all
21:45:00 <jorendc> markit: nice :-)
21:45:07 <jorendc> with what program do you capture?
21:45:22 <markit> FDesktopRecorder, compiled from git
21:45:33 <jorendc> oh, nice
21:45:34 <markit> as usual, many capture program, most broken
21:45:46 <markit> or missing important features, or abandoned, sigh
21:46:18 <markit> jorendc: once I'll upload the vid, please have a look at it and try with MacOS
21:46:47 <jorendc> markit: ok; I'll have a look at it later
21:46:52 <jorendc> I'm now testing on windows 7
21:46:55 <jorendc> (dualboot with mac osx)
21:46:56 <jmadero> markit: this is why I don't get angry with for pay companies
21:47:04 <jmadero> volunteers tend to....stop volunteering
21:47:07 <jmadero> employees keep creating
21:47:17 <jmadero> I get angry with crazy lawsuits and when a company ignores OS's
21:47:20 <jmadero> like Linux so often is
21:47:23 <markit> ehm, mime type for a video?
21:47:26 <markit> binary?
21:47:34 <jmadero> can you do auto?
21:47:50 <markit> jmadero: let's try since we can change later
21:48:10 <jmadero> discussion this morning, we're trying to get default to auto
21:48:15 <jmadero> it'll save a lot of headaches
21:48:18 <jmadero> for both reporters and traigers
21:48:21 <jmadero> triagers*
21:49:02 <markit> agree about limits in volunteers contributions... too often only fun stuff is completed
21:50:09 <jorendc> oh yeah markit :-)
21:50:13 <jorendc> didn't tell you yet
21:50:22 <jorendc> I add close button to the findbar
21:50:31 <jorendc> ... still under review
21:50:44 <jorendc> but I hope it'll be there ... next year or so :D
21:53:01 <markit> LANG=C /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice
21:53:06 <markit> then I have the but
21:53:14 <markit> without LANG=C in front, I've not
21:53:47 <markit> that explains... I'm running it from the terminal and was too lazy to select italian language from UI
21:58:43 <markit> ok, mime "auto" seems to work
21:58:45 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58368
21:58:49 <IZBot> bug 58368: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW CONFIGURATION: Change of margin when changing Page Layout style
22:00:48 <jmadero> markit: thanks :)
22:02:49 <markit> mmm Impress, file -> print and impress hangs! RC1
22:04:08 <jmadero> that's not good
22:04:14 <jmadero> that'd be a blocker
22:04:19 <markit> easy to reproduce, digging if only with sunset layout
22:05:10 <markit> yep, sunset layout
22:05:26 <markit> anyone can test (when you have time) before I issue a bug?
22:05:50 <markit> open impress, select sunset layout, DO write something in the center of the page, File -> Print
22:06:06 <markit> then program hangs and system becomes trashed, at least GNU/Linux
22:06:14 <markit> until you kill Impress
22:06:32 <jorendc> markit: I'll try
22:06:46 <markit> thanks, with Ubuntu also?
22:07:01 <jorendc> can only test with windows 7 right now :s
22:07:13 <markit> ok
22:07:19 <jorendc> ubuntu 12.10 = shared computer of our family
22:07:25 <jorendc> It's occupied now :)
22:07:30 <markit> jorendc: buy your family a Wii U ;P
22:07:50 <jorendc> lol
22:07:52 <jorendc> no thanks
22:07:52 <jorendc> :D
22:08:42 <jorendc> markit: can confirm a crash
22:09:26 <jorendc> windows 7 x64, libreoffice 4.0RC1
22:09:35 <markit> ok, thanks
22:09:45 <jorendc> maybe jmadero can test on Bondhi/linux?
22:10:13 <jmadero> sure, just finishing a conversation with Kohei
22:13:10 <jorendc> markit: status update of LibreOffice :-)... it's not crashed ... but it's slow as hell
22:13:15 <jorendc> it hangs
22:13:24 <markit> yes, here too
22:13:29 <jmadero> testing now
22:13:38 <jorendc> but you can file that :-), It need to be reported
22:13:44 <jorendc> this isn't normal behavior
22:14:18 <jorendc> can't reproduce with other layouts
22:14:21 <markit> btw, in bugzilla you have Writer, but not Impress! We have "Presentation" instead.. why? The same for Calc / Spreadsheet
22:14:33 <markit> jorendc: try the ones with full background
22:14:50 <markit> try metropolis
22:14:55 <jorendc> markit: moment, I'm testing other bug right now
22:15:03 <markit> jorendc: you so lazy ;P
22:15:03 <jorendc> wouldn't have a crash now :D
22:15:09 <markit> lol, sure :)
22:15:09 * jorendc sob :(
22:15:53 <jmadero> markit: just going file - print hang?
22:15:55 <jmadero> or do you have to push print?
22:16:36 <markit> jmadero: File -> Print, then instead of the print dialog you have a freeze
22:17:00 <jmadero> markit: not here, started fine
22:17:24 <markit> with Sunset layout? that is important, and with some content on it (some word in the middle)
22:17:50 <markit> ok, content not necessary, only sunset or metropolis layout
22:18:17 <markit> or vintage...
22:18:36 <jmadero> markit: let me try again
22:20:08 <jmadero> markit: confirmed
22:20:44 <markit> ok
22:21:03 <jmadero> jorendc: so my idea is to pull all bugs daily, then we can track how bugs change, lots of neat stats can be made
22:21:17 <jorendc> I agree jmadero
22:21:31 <jmadero> jorendc: making a script to pull every mornig
22:21:46 <jorendc> jmadero: nice one
22:23:27 <markit> btw https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
22:23:36 <markit> I go in the part "Additional Hints"
22:23:45 <markit> "...Or, of course, try the Assistant."
22:23:58 <markit> but if you click on "Assistant" link... you go there again (no move)
22:24:06 <markit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_use_the_Bug_Submission_Assistant
22:24:55 <markit> I'll go with bugzilla directly since I can't find the link to that damn assistant
22:29:12 <jorendc> It links to itself :p
22:29:44 <jorendc> markit: and do you mean this 'assistant'? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/
22:30:03 <markit> probably :)
22:31:44 <jorendc> libreoffice website -> get help -> bug
22:31:48 <jorendc> :D
22:32:24 <jorendc> 30 bugs found.
22:32:53 <markit> btw, I've seen "htop", during freeze CPU is not 100%
22:34:13 <markit> ok, bug submitted, if you want confirm https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59259
22:34:18 <IZBot> bug 59259: LibreOffice-Presentation blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED With some master pages, freezes when try to print
22:38:33 <markit> btw, so when you tried to confirm this bug you probably used a different master page? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53613
22:38:36 <IZBot> bug 53613: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PRINTING: When printing a presentation based on some of the default designs the background is small
22:40:21 <jorendc> markit: I already tried that one :-)
22:40:24 <jorendc> still can't reproduce
22:40:39 <markit> jorendc: I mean, if you tried you should have found MY bug !
22:40:51 <markit> to try that, you have to File -> print....
22:40:56 <markit> and then you should have a freeze
22:41:05 <markit> so or your master has fixed my bug
22:41:13 <markit> or you did not used the suggested master page (Sunset)
22:41:25 <jorendc> no
22:41:44 <markit> I tried it and that's why I've found the "hang" bug
22:42:00 <jorendc> but only with sunset
22:42:02 <jorendc> not with others
22:42:05 <jorendc> I tried the red on
22:42:08 <jorendc> one*
22:42:18 <jorendc> I have no crash with other layouts
22:42:23 <markit> so you tried the sunset... and did not hang?
22:42:39 <markit> I mean, you tried https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53613
22:42:44 <IZBot> bug 53613: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PRINTING: When printing a presentation based on some of the default designs the background is small
22:42:49 <markit> and had no crash?
22:42:53 * markit puzzled
22:43:00 <jorendc> ooh wait
22:43:04 <jorendc> I see what you're saying
22:43:10 <jorendc> I tested that bug with another one
22:43:12 <jorendc> Steps to reproduce: 1. Create presentation and select a default design (for example sunset
22:43:29 <jorendc> he don't say: USE SUNSET! ... he say: for example
22:43:43 <markit> I've the suspect is related with my bug
22:43:44 <jorendc> so I used 'abstract red'
22:43:59 <markit> I mean, probably there is something not working fine with those layouts
22:44:04 <jorendc> so I ONLY can confirm that bug with sunset
22:44:06 <markit> and with rc1 it loops
22:44:12 <jorendc> ok
22:44:25 <markit> jorendc: sorry, I'm lost
22:44:33 <jorendc> ok markit
22:44:35 <markit> you tried his bug with sunset or not?
22:45:18 <markit> well, in short I want to know if MY bug is not in Tested with latest 4.1 master
22:45:21 <jorendc> I tested that previous bug number 53613, because the bug reporter said: FOR EXAMPLE SUNSET; so I DON'T used sunset on that one, and just the first one I saw
22:45:35 <markit> jorendc: I see, thanks
22:45:38 <jorendc> so I did not test his bug with sunset
22:45:45 <markit> now is clear
22:46:01 <jorendc> but because you specify it (and don't say: for example ...) I did tried it with sunset -> hangs
22:46:09 <jorendc> so I think we can mark your bug as duplicate
22:46:18 <jorendc> and change the bug report a bit of Rob...
22:46:27 <jorendc> and specify it's only with sunset
22:47:01 <jorendc> (and metropolis etc, I just got a hang with that
22:47:27 <markit> jorendc: not duplicate since he has just a visual issue
22:47:40 <jorendc> oh yeah, I see :-)
22:47:52 <jorendc> I'm sorry; I'm mixing bugs right now
22:47:55 <jorendc> pff
22:48:01 <markit> 23.38 here
22:48:18 <jorendc> but you can link to it as 'See also'
22:48:23 <jorendc> same here markit ... belgium :D
22:48:52 <markit> yep, that's why I asked you about your tests, just to know if MINE is fixed in 4.1 or you not used the same master page
22:49:25 <markit> (and was not a critic to you, I agree he said "for example", I just found it nice and wanted to test ;P)
22:49:31 <jorendc> markit: I'll comment on your bug if you're ready with it; (I don't want a 'collision' :-)
22:49:34 <markit> (sunrise I mean)
22:50:09 <jorendc> ooh no, I know :D. I just upercased my words to make some marks :-)
22:50:19 <jorendc> no hard feelings; in contrary
22:50:46 <markit> link to it as 'See also'... don't remember how do it, sigh
22:50:56 <jorendc> under CC list
22:51:03 <markit> FOUND
22:51:11 <jorendc> :)
22:51:47 <jorendc> jmadero: you need to include 4.0.0.0 RC1 in your search query also (see chat topic)
22:52:33 <markit> do I have to "cross see also"? Bug A see also Bug B, and bug B see also Bug A?
22:52:34 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=205374&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&product=LibreOffice
22:52:52 <jorendc> no, that's automated :-)
22:52:59 <jorendc> if you link your bug to that older one
22:53:05 <jorendc> that older one will also be linked to yours
22:53:10 <markit> nice!
22:53:19 <markit> feel free to post in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59259
22:53:23 <IZBot> bug 59259: LibreOffice-Presentation blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED With some master pages, freezes when try to print
22:53:27 <jorendc> I will :)
22:53:59 <markit> I need to leave now, but I'll spend some hours here in the weekend
22:55:00 <markit> see you thanks a lot :)
22:56:55 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
22:57:04 <jorendc> ;-) you're welcome
22:57:09 <jorendc> I didn't found markit's bug in there
22:57:22 <jorendc> and I know he use RC1 now :p
22:57:28 <jmadero> 29 BUGS!
22:57:29 <jorendc> otherwise I didn't found it
22:57:32 <jorendc> indeed :D
22:57:34 <jmadero> so awesome
22:57:38 <jmadero> you two did a ton
22:57:43 <jmadero> bendakt
22:57:59 <jorendc> 'bedankt' (but doesn't matter :D)
22:58:03 <jorendc> graag gedaan
22:58:09 <jorendc> you also did A LOT of work today :o
22:58:11 <jmadero> does matter :)
22:58:20 <jmadero> haha now I'm sidetracked with automating bug pull
22:58:23 <jmadero> which I just was able to do :)
22:58:28 <jmadero> we can track progress of individual bugs this way
22:59:38 <jorendc> nice :D
22:59:57 <jorendc> where do you store the information/stats?
23:00:18 <jmadero> right now locally
23:00:24 <jmadero> hope to get it on server
23:02:48 <jmadero> just trying to get the data appended to the name
23:03:07 <jorendc> :)
23:04:30 <jmadero> got it
23:04:31 <jmadero> sweet
23:04:39 <jorendc> cool
23:05:08 <jorendc> sorry to disturb your glory and pride :D : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58908 ... enhancement and just set it as NEW?
23:05:13 <IZBot> bug 58908: LibreOffice-Presentation minor/medium UNCONFIRMED In a Graphics Style editing Slant & Corner Radius is not possible
23:05:49 <jmadero> yeah I thought that too for that one :)
23:05:52 <jmadero> haha glory and pride
23:05:54 <jmadero> 10 lines of code
23:06:00 <jmadero> != enough to be prideful about
23:06:00 <jorendc> :D
23:06:01 <jmadero> haha
23:06:08 <jorendc> but... you can
23:06:20 <jorendc> I can't do that :-); and I didn't know it was even possible
23:06:31 <jorendc> you may be proud
23:06:39 <jmadero> now time to get the same data from AOO
23:06:42 <jmadero> then we have comparisons
23:08:20 <jorendc> :p
23:08:27 <jorendc> I shoudn't make that public then :D
23:08:36 <jorendc> but I'm curious :o
23:08:50 <jorendc> I hope we crunch them (in a good way, so 'resolved' also :-) )
23:09:16 <jorendc> if we have more bug reports ... It COULD be a good sign (= very active users) ... or just many bugs :p
23:11:29 <jmadero> lol yes I thought the same thing
23:18:38 <jorendc> jmadero: 26 in list ... but 23 UNC ...
23:18:53 <jmadero> :)
23:18:57 <jmadero> next Friday, easy
23:21:08 <jorendc> mmh ...
23:21:18 <jorendc> we do need to get rid of that thai etc
23:21:23 <jorendc> and that language specific
23:26:01 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I'll think about how :)
23:26:16 <jmadero> just a comment yes? ask one of their colleagues to confirm
23:26:23 <jmadero> say we have no Thai QA people and no mailing list
23:28:54 <jorendc> mmh, how to write that down?
23:29:28 <jorendc> due lack of interests in thai, we do not have a mailinglist ... so find some people why can verify yourself
23:29:29 <jorendc> :p
23:29:35 * jorendc being rude
23:29:53 <jorendc> this is just a delicate case
23:37:52 <jmadero> LOL
23:37:54 <jmadero> that would be hilarious
23:37:57 <jmadero> might result in a temporary ban ;)
23:41:35 <jorendc> haha
23:41:44 <jorendc> Mmmh ... never experienced that
23:41:53 <jorendc> ;-)
23:41:55 <jorendc> and I won't
23:42:25 <jorendc> I just confirmed a Thai one :D https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56709
23:42:28 <IZBot> bug 56709: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW UI: Cell formatting dialog shows characters as squares for some languages
23:42:44 <jmadero> hhaa how did you do that?
23:43:23 <jorendc> just followed instructions on comment 9
23:43:36 <jorendc> couldn't reproduce that with Mac OSX; but with windows I can
23:43:40 <jorendc> so windows only bug
23:44:30 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59240
23:44:34 <IZBot> bug 59240: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/high UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Thai number shown as Arabic numerals
23:44:38 <jmadero> that one is interesting, I can't see the correct in 3.6.3 like reporter says
23:44:43 <jmadero> maybe because locale isn't set to Thai
23:46:05 <jorendc> haha :D I can confirm that also :p
23:46:31 <jorendc> what do you mean jmadero
23:46:48 <jorendc> that's the correct behavior; that strange characters
23:47:14 <jmadero> I don't see the "strange characters"
23:47:15 <jmadero> I just see 11
23:47:18 <jmadero> but you have thai installed?
23:47:21 <jmadero> thai version
23:47:25 <jmadero> I have English version
23:47:50 <jmadero> wanted to see the behavior in Linux also to bibisect
23:48:48 <jorendc> no need to install thai
23:48:59 <jorendc> the bug is reproducing with that steps
23:49:04 <jmadero> I don't see thai numbers in Linux
23:49:12 <jorendc> mmh
23:49:22 <jorendc> maybe again a windows only bug ...
23:49:27 <jorendc> and didn't work that on Linux ..?
23:49:32 <jmadero> but that would be a bug in LInux yes?
23:49:36 <jmadero> if I can't see the Thai numerals
23:49:40 <jmadero> I should see them
23:49:44 <jorendc> that would be a bug in linux also yes
23:49:45 <jmadero> wonder if in Linux I have to install Thai font
23:49:52 <jmadero> could be the case  maybe
23:49:56 <jmadero> I never use localized stuff
23:50:06 <jorendc> but the preview is correct
23:50:18 <jorendc> so ... if the font of the preview is correct ...
23:50:20 <jmadero> preview is from Windows no?
23:50:46 <jorendc> I can't follow anymore
23:50:50 <jmadero> lol no worries
23:50:58 <jmadero> if you can confirm mark it as NEW and we're close to 20
23:50:59 <jorendc> preview is from windows yes
23:51:26 <jorendc> but I you even can't confirm that behavior in Linux .. that would confirm it for other platforms also
23:52:05 <jmadero> no because I probably need the font, once I get it I bet it would work fine
23:52:12 <jmadero> which I can't install the font right now
23:53:18 <jorendc> ok :p
23:53:53 <jorendc> setting all fonts to 'Thai' would be funny when you leave the company ...
23:53:54 <jorendc> :D
23:54:04 <jorendc> and delete all other default fonts
23:55:10 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805
23:55:14 <IZBot> bug 58805: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED Report builder: Wrong date and time in report header footer
23:55:15 <jorendc> can you test that one?
23:55:24 <jorendc> I got an error with that one (already reported)
23:58:54 <jmadero> can't open it
23:59:00 <jmadero> java error
23:59:02 <jmadero> of some kind
23:59:54 <jorendc> indeed; me too
00:00:05 <jorendc> but I can remember there is also a bug report for that
00:01:27 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58371
00:01:27 <jmadero> ask :)
00:01:32 <IZBot> bug 58371: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium NEW REPORTBUILDER: Crash when opening report of attachment fdo#48056
00:01:57 <jmadero> so put depends on
00:02:04 <jmadero> for the unconfirmed one, put in the other bug number
00:02:10 <jmadero> we can't triage it until the other one is fixed :)
00:02:18 <jmadero> okay jorendc I'm heading out to pick up my wife from work
00:02:23 <jmadero> going to grab a couple drinks to finish off the week :)
00:02:28 <jmadero> and get some food
00:02:33 <jorendc> sure
00:02:39 <jorendc> I'm going to sleep also :-)
00:02:39 <jmadero> I'll be on and off over the weekend, if I don't talk to you, have a great weekend
00:02:42 <jmadero> nice
00:02:44 <jorendc> almost 1AM here
00:02:44 <jmadero> goodnight!
00:02:52 <jorendc> good evening there!
00:02:59 <jorendc> and enjoy
00:03:00 <jorendc> bye
00:03:06 <jmadero> thanks :) bye
15:22:57 <markit> mmm I've the feeling that help system is tring to fetch images from internet
15:23:13 <markit> I've some broken ones
15:24:08 <markit> well, a broken one so far, italian help
15:45:08 <ertai_NL> bug?
15:45:38 <markit> sure
15:45:52 <markit> ertai_NL: btw, to test an english_GB bug I've set language to english_gb
15:46:09 <markit> now I would like to have it "reset" so if I run soffice will take my environment setting (Italian)
15:46:21 <markit> and if I run with LANG=C get the default (english_US)
15:46:30 <markit> I've removed ~/.soffice but no luck
15:46:38 <markit> any idea?
15:47:05 <ertai_NL> no
15:47:47 <markit> ok, found
15:48:12 <markit> something I was sure I tested before but did not worked, boh
15:59:05 <markit> how can set Windows version to have an interface in english_gb?
15:59:33 <markit> seems that it takes the locale from environment (in my case Italian) and helppack in english is not enough (of course)
15:59:47 <markit> maybe an install option, let me google
16:05:47 <markit> ok, found, changed XP settings
16:23:37 <markit> ertai_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58494
16:23:39 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Installation minor/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 58144) Uninstaller progress dialog shows squares instead of the message, only % numbers are ok
16:23:41 <IZBot> bug 58494: LibreOffice-Installation normal/medium NEW incorrect font used during installation on Windows XP https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58144
16:23:54 <markit> this has been marked as duplicate, but rc1 solves the other bug, but this is still a problem
16:24:12 <markit> I'll post this fact, is it the case of "reopen" or what action is apropriate?
16:25:39 <markit> I've to run now
20:48:08 <jorendc> hi jmadero, CorNouws
20:49:01 <CorNouws> jorendc: hi ! (just updating the website for RC1!)
20:49:28 <jorendc> I saw :)
20:49:41 <jorendc> I was thinking about that too
20:50:12 <jorendc> I saw the tweets and email its official released (had it already 3 days installed on my computer)
20:51:02 <CorNouws> jorendc: I didn't yet ;-)
20:51:30 <CorNouws> jorendc: could I do that without causing harm to my OS or hard disk ?
20:51:40 <jorendc> btw, when do we start translating the features page?
20:51:46 <jorendc> CorNouws: I shouldn't do that
20:51:51 <jorendc> unless you're a pro off course
20:51:56 <CorNouws> jorendc: LOL
20:51:59 <jorendc> maybe you can contact a firm about that :D
20:52:01 <jorendc> ;-)
20:52:13 <jorendc> I know a good company
20:52:20 <jorendc> you're from the Netherlands; right?
20:52:20 <CorNouws> ah well, the features page...
20:52:30 <CorNouws> jorendc: ah yes, point taken ;-)
20:52:45 <jorendc> CorNouws: http://www.nouenoff.nl/ good firm :p
20:53:05 <CorNouws> jorendc: I expect more from them this year ;-)
20:53:17 <jorendc> ;-)
20:53:23 <jorendc> okay, features page
20:53:35 <jorendc> euh, do we just translate the wiki page about that?
20:53:51 <CorNouws> jorendc: serious now (working...) about the features I suggest that we inform our lists about the RC 1 and then point them to the English one...
20:53:53 <jorendc> or do we also make a separate page on our localization?
20:54:48 <CorNouws> jorendc: zoals deze http://nl.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-nieuwe-functies-en-verbeteringen/
20:55:05 <jorendc> ok
20:55:18 <jorendc> heb je daarvoor een template gebruikt?
20:55:23 <jorendc> of zelf opgesteld
20:55:32 <CorNouws> jorendc: but it's an easy task for people to contribute a little to translating features. Usually there are some that do so a bit if we invite them.
20:55:51 <CorNouws> Then if needed we (...) can do the final bits later ?
20:55:59 <jorendc> that would be great :-)
20:56:37 <CorNouws> jorendc: it was started with a copy from the Englisg page and then updated bit by bit..
20:56:45 <jorendc> ok; superb
20:56:58 <jorendc> when do we start sending that task to the user mailinglist?
20:57:07 <jorendc> I think we can base all features: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0
20:57:31 <jorendc> or just wait until release, and then translate it all?
20:59:57 <jorendc> CorNouws
21:00:02 <CorNouws> nee, het beste zouden we nu alles al af hebben. Maar ja, we hebben ook geen tijd op onzen rug groeien hè ;-)
21:00:52 <jorendc> nee, jammer genoeg dat laatste niet :-)
21:01:09 <jorendc> ik heb net de engelstalige wiki versie gekopieerd en in onze nederlandse gezet
21:01:22 <jorendc> misschien zal ik even een mailtje typen om te vragen of mensen mee zouden kunnen vertalen
21:01:28 <CorNouws> gewoon een aankondiging dat de RC er is, een verwijzing naar de wiki, melden dat de vertaling nog moet komen, en mensen vragen of ze een bijdrage kunnen leveren, bijvoorbeeld over een functie die ze erg goed vinden. ofzo. Maar ik denk trouwens dat de wiki zelf nog niet volledig is ook
21:01:32 <jorendc> op de wiki pagina kan iedereen eenvoudig toegang verkrijgen ..
21:01:45 <CorNouws> prima plan!
21:03:56 <jorendc> Ik ga er eerst zelf nog wat aan starten; dan is men tenminste een beetje aangemoedigd om er aan te willen beginnen :-)
21:04:07 <jorendc> een aanzetje geven; en dan stuur ik een mailtje rond
21:08:10 <CorNouws> jorendc: ehh... :-)  je weet dat er op de wiki van elke pagina bovenin een link is naar de vertaalde pagina's ?
21:08:18 <CorNouws> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.0/RC1/nl
21:08:23 <jorendc> yeps :-)
21:08:28 <jorendc> ben daar aan het werken :)
21:08:53 <jorendc> ohw :p RC1
21:09:03 <jorendc> ik had het over de uiteindelijke 4.0 features :)
21:09:19 <jorendc> CorNouws: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0/nl
21:09:52 <CorNouws> oh ja, beter!
21:44:27 <jorendc> CorNouws: zie mail :)
21:48:57 <jorendc> moggi: in Calc, is there a change made how we handle 'messages'/'notes' (attached to a cell) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59297
21:48:59 <jorendc> ?
21:49:00 <IZBot> bug 59297: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Calc: Popup message doesn't appear how it's expected
21:59:26 <moggi> jorendc: please leve bugs from eike, kohei and me in calc as they are
22:00:09 <moggi> eike is also another calc developer, and for exmaple this bug was discussed between eike and me already
22:00:16 <jorendc> moggi: but they have status 'unconfirmed'...
22:00:26 <jorendc> if so, I think we can set that to NEW...
22:00:28 <jorendc> isn't it?
22:00:54 <moggi> eike will set it to resolved fixed after his rebuild
22:02:47 <jorendc> moggi: we (qa-team) are currently debating about: if a developer fils a bug ... he/she can set that to NEW immediately; except if he'll have a 'second opinion' or an independent confirmation
22:03:29 <jorendc> if this bug is there and already confirmed ... we don't need to retest it (and as long this bug have status UNCONFIRMED ... we'll try to confirm it)
22:03:42 <jorendc> I hope you see my point
22:04:02 <moggi> jorendc: I still believe that there are some developer bugs that are not for the qa team independent from the state they are in
22:04:03 <jorendc> eike can resolved fixed this bug also when its status NEW ...
22:05:01 <jorendc> moggi: agree with that; but that doesn't resolve the fact they're marked as 'unconfirmed'
22:05:12 <moggi> jorendc: because unconfirmed in a developer bug can also mean that a second developer needs to check it
22:05:21 <jorendc> but, we'll leave it as it is now; we're debating/discussing about it with the qa team
22:05:53 <jorendc> moggi: certainly agree with that too :-). But you're already assigned to it...
22:06:24 <jorendc> so I suppose you already have confirmed that/it's already confirmed
22:06:37 <jorendc> but I may be wrong off course
22:06:43 <jorendc> and that's why I asked that to eike...
22:07:21 <moggi> no I did not check it yet; it is just that by agreement between eike, kohei and me I will look into these problems with cached value import
22:08:21 <jorendc> ok; that's clear :-) and that's why I just asked that in comment
22:57:49 <jorendc> hey CorNouws, ik kruip mijn bedje in :-). Ik heb net je mailtje gelezen, en je veranderingen gezien. Super :)
22:58:01 <jorendc> truste
22:58:12 <CorNouws> zelfde geld voor jouw miail :-) slaap goed !
22:58:21 <CorNouws> geld/geldtttt
22:58:23 <jorendc> geld? Welk geld :D
22:58:26 <jorendc> ;-)
22:58:28 <jorendc> grapje
22:58:32 <jorendc> Slaapze :)
22:58:37 <CorNouws> dacht er ook aan
22:58:38 <CorNouws> dank
13:30:58 <markit> ok, some triage work done today too :) Now time for a KDE 4.10 bug report ;P
17:23:01 <markit> back, urg, unconfirmed bugs number has doubled, sigh
17:56:49 <markit> anyone alive?
17:57:10 <markit> I've the bad feeling that I've found a bug in calc while triying to triage another
17:57:14 <markit> but I'm not  a calc expert
17:57:38 <jorendc> hi markit; I'm still aliv
17:57:39 <jorendc> alive*
17:57:43 <jorendc> ... I hope so
17:57:46 <markit> ;P
17:57:50 * jorendc looks around for angels or devils
17:57:55 <jorendc> ... nops, still alive :D
17:57:56 <markit> did not noticed your nic, I'm blind probably
17:58:12 <jorendc> ;-)
17:58:13 <markit> I left this early afternoon with 12 bugs left, now I find more than 30, sigh
17:58:26 <markit> in any case, I created a new spreadsheet
17:58:27 <jorendc> wow, nice work!
17:58:38 <jorendc> markit: yes, there are 4 new 'bugs' aobut conditional formatting
17:58:43 <jorendc> so you can count -4
17:58:49 <markit> View -> toolbars -> form control
17:59:25 <markit> btw, I've confirmed one of them recently (1 hour), is a crash, probably should be flagged better, remember me to talk with you about it later
17:59:35 <markit> I've put 7 buttons on calc sheet, ok?
17:59:36 <markit> then saved
17:59:44 <markit> then closed LiBo rc1
17:59:50 <markit> then reloaded the sheet
17:59:58 <markit> and I can't add controls anymore!
18:00:01 <jorendc> (ok moment)
18:00:04 <markit> they are grayed out in the toolbar
18:00:23 <markit> btw, was investingating https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59325
18:00:25 <IZBot> bug 59325: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Buttons disappeared in calc
18:03:42 <jorendc> I'm going to change my LO UI :p
18:03:55 <jorendc> ok, changed to english
18:03:57 <jorendc> lets try
18:04:06 <markit> jorendc: from GNU/Linux you just run with LANG=C in front and goes into en_US
18:04:21 <markit> LANG=C /opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice
18:04:22 <jorendc> I'm on mac now
18:04:25 <jorendc> but it's quite easy ;-)
18:04:52 <markit> mac is not user friendly, you have to click around, in shell you just remove LANG=C ;P
18:05:01 <markit> (or add)
18:05:31 <jorendc> markit: I've more then 7 controls
18:05:40 <markit> no problem
18:05:45 <jorendc> ok
18:05:46 <markit> but if you save, close LiBo, reopen
18:05:56 <markit> the toolbar is present again
18:06:03 <markit> but all controls but 3 are grayed out
18:06:09 <markit> so you can't add more... is it normal?
18:06:19 <markit> (famouns LiBo "user friendliess" here?)
18:07:14 <jorendc> can't reproduce that behavior in Mac OSX ...
18:07:42 <jorendc> all still clickable (except 2... but that didn't changed, because before I saved it, they where grayed out too
18:08:00 <markit> did you completely closed LiBo?
18:08:05 <jorendc> yes
18:08:10 <markit> mmm odd
18:08:13 <jorendc> I first reopen it without fully close LO
18:08:24 <jorendc> but then I restart it completly to check that
18:08:38 <markit> ok, my foult
18:08:46 <markit> I unclicked desigh mode
18:08:58 <jorendc> fault? Nobody speaks here about 'faults' :-)
18:09:01 <markit> as Alan Cooper says, "modal" design drives users crazy
18:09:28 <jorendc> :p
18:09:42 <markit> btw, listen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNWBnCazIcU
18:09:43 <IZBot> YouTube - Alan Cooper On Users by: ucd12345 - 06:08
18:11:45 <jorendc> I can't watch that now; I'm going to study a bit more :-)
18:11:55 <jorendc> but, I'll watch it when I have my next pauze
18:12:23 <jorendc> (tomorrow exam)
18:14:26 <jorendc> thanx btw
18:14:41 <jorendc> bye! :) (and thanks for the triaging work :) )
19:14:06 <jorendc> hi markit
19:14:13 <jorendc> I'm going to watch your video now :-)
19:14:17 * jorendc opens link
19:22:12 <jorendc_> markit: nice video
19:22:32 <jorendc_> true ... but I think not applicable to libreoffice
19:35:33 <markit> jorendc: oh, is realted with talk we had with jorendc, in any case every libo dev should read "innmates are running the asylum"
19:35:40 <markit> by Alan Cooper
19:36:25 <jorendc> with jmadero you mean :-)
19:36:36 <jorendc> Yeah, I remember that :-)
19:38:36 <markit> mmm sorry, I meant with you, and thougth to talk with jmadero, lol
19:38:55 <markit> probably you logged off/on and your nic color changed in my konversation client
19:39:19 <markit> so jorendc good luck for your exam
19:39:40 <jorendc> :D
19:39:52 <jorendc> and in the mean time I was kidded of the server :p
19:39:59 <jorendc> thanks markit :-)
19:40:03 <jorendc> I can use that luck
20:01:36 <jorendc> I got to go
20:01:45 <jorendc> bye :-)
15:51:25 <jmadero> jorendc: happy Monday
15:52:10 <jorendc> hi jmadero :-), happy Monday for you too :D
15:52:23 <jmadero> time to get bug count down to 25 :)
15:52:42 <jorendc> not that happy monday in the morning :p, but now it's happy monday
15:53:05 <jorendc> I did a good exam (I hope I can stay happy when I receive my results :p )
15:53:16 <jmadero> why not happy this Monday?
15:53:36 <jorendc> stress :p
15:53:39 <jorendc> exam :D
15:54:11 <jmadero> ah, once you're working probably every Monday will be bad ;)
15:54:17 <jmadero> I think everyone other than my wife feels that way
15:54:20 <jmadero> (she loves her job)
15:54:24 <jorendc> haha :p I heard that a lot :)
15:57:09 <jmadero> 1 down
15:57:13 <jmadero> what test did you have?
15:58:49 <jorendc> bussiness management :-)
15:58:57 <jmadero> fun :)
15:59:05 <jmadero> is that economics type stuff ?
15:59:07 <jmadero> or less math
15:59:21 <jorendc> but I'm working a bit more, and then I'll accompany you :)
15:59:31 <jorendc> mmh, less math
16:00:00 <jorendc> but 4 days ago, I had 'economics' ... and that was the math stuff :p
16:00:33 <jorendc> but now I have more technical exams to go
16:00:53 <jorendc> '3 phase AC motors'
16:01:07 <jmadero> nice, I was a Quantitative Economics major in college
16:01:08 <jmadero> :)
16:01:14 <jorendc> ooh :-)
16:01:25 <jorendc> I'm studying Engineer :)
16:01:41 <jmadero> very nice
16:03:23 <jorendc> bwa... not that big deal :p
16:03:35 <jorendc> but I like electromechanics :-)
16:03:43 <jorendc> so I'm happy to study it
16:03:53 <jorendc> except for the stress etc, off course :p
16:05:53 <jorendc> but you're now working with a laywer?
16:08:51 <jmadero> yes I'm becoming a lawyer now
16:08:58 <jmadero> and my wife is an attorney also :-D
16:10:53 <jmadero> I thought about engineering for awhile, but I am one who needs some interaction with humans :)
16:11:05 <jmadero> (I like to talk too much and debate too much )
16:18:14 <jorendc> jmadero: me too :-)
16:18:29 <jorendc> an engineer is nowadays not someone who only do calculations
16:19:03 <jorendc> when I have enough experience I would like to be a project manager or something
16:19:17 <jorendc> the only thing you need to do is communicate with people :-)
16:21:16 <jmadero> nice :-D you communicate fine
16:21:18 <jmadero> at least with the LibO team
16:21:25 <jmadero> if you get a minute in Windows https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59363
16:21:27 <IZBot> bug 59363: LibreOffice-Extensions normal/medium UNCONFIRMED ImpressRunner installation crashes
16:25:26 <jorendc> jmadero: ok, I'll reboot to windows when I'm ready :)
16:25:32 <jmadero> thanks :)
16:26:58 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&chfieldto=-31D&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0&list_id=207184
16:27:03 <jorendc> my mood sinks...
16:29:03 <jmadero> lol don't look at that
16:29:08 <jmadero> we'll work on that together once 4.0 is released
16:29:09 <jorendc> btw jmadero I have some little improvements for the QA page; but I'm going to write something down first
16:29:27 <jmadero> jorendc: perfect, I'm going to take a look at it this week, also going to ping every person on the qa team page to see if they want to stay on it
16:29:30 <jmadero> (you should add your name)
16:29:43 <jorendc> I added my name already
16:29:47 <jorendc> ... at the other list :p
16:30:14 <jmadero> perfect, you're one of our more experienced triagers now;)
16:30:19 <jmadero> and one of the very few who has participated in a call
16:30:35 <jmadero> good thing about joining a newer project, you get really involved right away
16:30:43 <jmadero> we'll keep asking you to do more and more until you say "ENOUGH!"
16:30:44 <jmadero> haha
16:30:51 <jorendc> haha
16:30:56 <jorendc> I already experienced that;
16:31:04 <jorendc> I have now some time during my pauzes :p
16:31:16 <jmadero> lol I know, don't ever feel bad about saying you can't do more
16:31:21 <jmadero> I'm about to do that with something I'm working on, just taking too much time
16:31:36 <jorendc> but when once my school starts overnew with courses etc, I think I'll not be around here so much anymore
16:31:47 <jmadero> and I'm getting more and more involved with this business venture, I need to make a living still
16:31:56 <jmadero> yes, that's okay though :)
16:32:11 <jorendc> yeah, and you too ... :-)
16:32:17 <jmadero> when I'm really busy I lower my goal to 10 triaged bugs a week
16:32:20 <jorendc> once you're back on the school benches..
16:32:21 <jmadero> takes about an hour a week
16:32:26 <jorendc> indeed
16:32:35 <jorendc> I'll do my best and keep investing time as much I can
16:32:37 <jmadero> right now we're probably each doing 10 a day :)
16:32:40 <jmadero> probably more actually
16:32:48 <jorendc> But I'll not stay awake or sleep bad when I can't do more :)
16:32:52 <jmadero> haha good
16:33:00 <jorendc> markit did a good job this weekend
16:33:16 <jorendc> If he didn't do that much work, I think we're now at 50 to 60 bugs
16:33:24 <jorendc> he reached '20 bugs'
16:35:52 <jmadero> I'll mention his name at our next call
16:37:11 <jorendc> sure :)
16:37:17 <jorendc> but I think he'll stay a bit independant
16:37:23 <jorendc> and he has the right off course :)
16:37:33 <jorendc> He do a great job
16:37:45 <jmadero> yeah I asked if he would take on some group stuff, he never said yes so I figured he wants to be indepenet
16:37:47 <jmadero> we have a few people like that
16:37:56 <jmadero> bfo on fdo is very much like that
16:38:02 <jmadero> I emailed him once and he replied saying not interested
16:38:40 <jorendc> :-) that's pity ... but they continue helping and supporting
16:38:51 <jorendc> and they are free to :)
16:40:12 <jmadero> yeah better than the user who reports 20 bugs really poorly and then complaints and yells when we don't fix them in 1 day
16:42:24 <jorendc> indeed :)
16:44:25 * jorendc opens his mailbox
16:44:40 * jorendc 50 LO related emails
16:44:46 * jorendc *sigh* :p
16:45:25 <jmadero> lol that's all ? ;)
16:46:11 <jorendc> yes ... but I opened it 5 houres ago ... and read all mails :D
16:46:47 <jmadero> haha I was joking, that's quite a few
16:46:52 <jmadero> I deleted 99% without reading
16:47:26 <jmadero> dammit, screwed up my bibisect
16:49:03 <jorendc> lol
16:49:08 <jorendc> you can start overnew there
16:49:09 <jorendc> :p
16:49:32 <jmadero> that's what I'm doing, just was on the last step ;)
16:50:02 <jorendc> awtch
16:52:05 <jmadero> okay new words for today, "dammit" and "good morning"
16:52:24 <jorendc> mmh, we use "dammit" also
16:52:53 <jmadero> how about "I screwed up"
16:53:05 <jorendc> but if you would like a translation: "godverdomme" ... but that's euh more related to the F-word in America
16:53:22 <jorendc> we can say the F-word as much as we would like to ... without 'insulting' others...
16:53:31 <jorendc> but that's in America another story, isn't it?
16:53:49 <jorendc> "Ik heb het verpest" = "I screwed up"
16:53:53 <jmadero> lol yes, we tend not to say that very often (although I do quite a bit)
16:54:02 <jorendc> "good morning" = "goeie morgen" :-)
16:54:09 <jorendc> haha :-)
16:54:17 <jmadero> lol okay
16:54:22 <jorendc> over here you can scream it out as loud you wish
16:54:37 <jorendc> :p
16:54:52 <jmadero> haha not as conservative as we are here
16:55:04 <jorendc> but when you say: "(god)verdomme"
16:55:22 <jorendc> ... I think some people will look at you quite angry :p
16:55:30 <jmadero> lol
16:55:42 <jorendc> but you can say "verdomme" without insulting ;-) ... god = god (the holy lord :p)
16:56:27 <jmadero> yeah here is similar, dammit isn't too bad
16:56:34 <jmadero> my in laws are quite conservative, if their kids say dammit they don't' say much
16:56:39 <jmadero> if they said god dammit, I think they'd be upset
16:57:01 <jorendc> haha :-)
16:57:10 <jorendc> dammit = "verdomme" then :-)
16:57:17 <jorendc> and "good morning" = "goeie morgené
16:57:21 <jorendc> goeie morgen
16:57:31 <jorendc> I learned 'lets open a new can of worms'
16:57:34 <jorendc> you have another one :D?
16:58:09 <jmadero> lol not let's, most people don't want to open one, it's more like "crap, I just opened a can of worms"
16:58:18 <jmadero> let's implies "I want to" or "let's do it"
16:58:20 <jmadero> :)
16:58:39 <jmadero> bisect done, sweet
16:59:28 <jmadero> is that RTF footnote one a regression?
17:00:16 <jorendc> didn't checked that one
17:00:19 <jorendc> I'm still quite busy :-)
17:01:44 <jorendc> ok :p 'I think I opened a can of worms'
17:02:02 <jorendc> haha :p that would be funny if I ever said that when I was in America
17:02:14 <jorendc> they'll look at me like: "what the hell did you said :D?"
17:06:01 <jorendc> reproducible with beta 1; Now testing for 3.6 regression
17:07:23 <jorendc> yups, regression
17:12:55 <jorendc> lol jmadero .. you know how to 'add a + in subscript' in math?
17:13:03 <jorendc> (user question in the dutch mailinglist
17:13:30 <jorendc> you can't simply {test}_{+}
17:18:17 <jmadero> I don't use math ;)
17:18:28 <jorendc> :D
17:18:39 <jorendc> oh yeah, you're working for a lawyer
17:18:47 <jorendc> ;-) no, just kidding :p
17:18:52 <jorendc> I'm sorry about that :D
17:18:56 <jmadero> lol no I work for gov't right now
17:19:26 <jorendc> oh :)
17:19:38 <jmadero> a completely worthless job
17:19:39 <jmadero> ;)
17:20:01 <jorendc> :p
17:20:16 <jorendc> when do you start with your courses to become a lawyer?
17:21:34 <jmadero> Sept., hoping they lay me off here in March
17:21:47 <jmadero> but it looks like they are keeping me until I quit
17:24:02 <jorendc> oh
17:24:26 <jorendc> and what'll you do in the meantime (when you quit in March, and start in Sept?)
17:24:37 <jmadero> the business venture with my father in law
17:24:44 <jmadero> I won't quit in March, only if they lay me off
17:24:47 <jmadero> otherwise I stay until June
17:24:55 <jmadero> bullshit meeting right now, brb
17:24:58 <jmadero> tried getting out of it
17:24:59 <jmadero> ;)
17:43:24 * jorendc jorendc_eat
18:56:15 <jmadero> jorendc: can you install the german lanugage pack or tools
18:56:15 <jmadero> ?
18:56:23 <jmadero> I don't have a daily build installed only master
18:56:28 <jmadero> and I guess you can't install them on daily build...
18:56:35 <jmadero> (I need to get better with localization stuff)
18:57:04 <jorendc> sure
18:57:14 <jorendc> I'll install it on RC1
18:57:34 <jorendc> what bug jmadero ?
19:02:35 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59170
19:02:38 <IZBot> bug 59170: LibreOffice-Linguistic major/medium UNCONFIRMED Synonym suggestion not working with Umlauts
19:02:39 <jmadero> you're the man, thank you
19:02:45 <jmadero> bendankt (correct yes??)
19:03:00 <jorendc> almost :-)
19:03:04 <jorendc> "bedankt"
19:03:23 <jorendc> but that's ok :-)
19:03:26 <jorendc> "graag gedaan"
19:07:22 <jmadero> hhaa okay next time I'll get it right
19:08:50 <jorendc> :p
19:08:54 <jorendc> no worry :-)
19:09:06 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce that one (I've added a screenshot)
19:09:18 <jmadero> nice, close as WFM
19:09:39 <jmadero> how in the hell does this user get background on LibO https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59230
19:09:41 <IZBot> bug 59230: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [Personas] No image behind toolbars
19:09:45 <jmadero> man our users do some crazy things
19:09:48 <jorendc> mmh, but I can't test with latest master ...
19:10:01 <jorendc> so, maybe it's a regression or so :s
19:10:18 <jmadero> but how would they see it in master?
19:10:22 <jmadero> if you can't install the german tools/language pack
19:11:02 <jorendc> good point :)
19:41:32 <jorendc> jmadero: can you test https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805 ?
19:41:34 <IZBot> bug 58805: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED Report builder: Wrong date and time in report page header footer
19:42:02 <jorendc> (download the 6the attachment, not the first :-)
19:58:04 <jmadero> jorendc: doing it now
19:58:15 <jorendc> :-) thanks
19:58:27 <jmadero> Dutch my friend
19:58:28 <jmadero> ;)
19:58:45 <jmadero> what's the title of the attachment?
19:59:33 <jorendc> jmadero:  bugdoc with report (16.22 KB, application/octet-stream) 2013-01-13 09:57 UTC, Zoltán Reizinger
19:59:36 <jorendc> bedankt :-)
19:59:45 <jorendc> (it's the 6the attachment)
20:00:37 <jorendc> "het is de 6de bijlage" (it = het) (is = is) (the = de) (6th = 6de) (attachment = bijlage) :-)
20:00:56 <jmadero> and what am I looking for?
20:01:32 <jorendc> wrong date in header/footer
20:01:37 <jorendc> It needs to be the actual date
20:01:39 <jorendc> and time
20:02:06 <jorendc> but the reporter said: The report builder report shows wrong (1899-12-30) date instead of Today(), and time 00:00 instead of Now() current value.
20:02:11 <jmadero> I can't open the report, still java error
20:02:13 <jmadero> did a patch fix that?
20:02:20 <jmadero> I'll need to pull and rebuild if so ;)
20:02:23 <jmadero> which means, 3-5 hours
20:02:23 <jmadero> haha
20:02:23 <jorendc> no, open the second report
20:02:28 <jmadero> RC1 report yes?
20:02:28 <jorendc> the rc1 version
20:02:31 <jorendc> yes
20:02:34 <jmadero> yeah, same error
20:02:36 <jorendc> .. I can open that with RC1 :s
20:02:40 <jorendc> mmmh
20:02:41 <jmadero> I can't with master
20:02:42 <jorendc> bizar
20:02:47 <jorendc> I'll try with master
20:02:49 <jmadero> built a few days ago, let me rebuild
20:02:57 <jorendc> wait
20:03:03 <jmadero> okay
20:03:04 <jorendc> I can retest with current daily build :)
20:03:28 <jorendc> jmadero: indeed... java error
20:03:37 <jorendc> pff :s
20:04:10 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58371
20:04:11 <jmadero> ah, that's a problem, regression between RC and master
20:04:13 <IZBot> bug 58371: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium NEW REPORTBUILDER: Crash when opening report of attachment fdo#48056
20:04:18 <jorendc> so, rebuilding wouldn't solving anything
20:04:24 <jmadero> fantastic..
20:04:24 <jorendc> indeed
20:04:55 <jorendc> new bug report ... or adding that info to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58371 ?
20:04:57 <IZBot> bug 58371: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium NEW REPORTBUILDER: Crash when opening report of attachment fdo#48056
20:05:02 <jmadero> my friend got LibO to build on mac by the way
20:05:10 <jmadero> but cancelled a bit into it because she felt her computer was being pushed too hard
20:05:11 <jorendc> oh really?
20:05:15 <jmadero> (brand new computer0
20:05:15 <jmadero> )
20:05:23 <jmadero> she said her fans sounded abnormally loud
20:05:26 <jmadero> temperature shot up
20:05:28 <jorendc> :p yeah, I can see her point :p
20:05:40 <jmadero> think design flaw with macbooks
20:05:41 <jorendc> she's building on a laptop?
20:05:44 <jmadero> or whatever they are called now
20:05:45 <jmadero> yes
20:05:48 <jmadero> I do too though
20:05:50 <jmadero> mine build just fine
20:06:01 <jorendc> yes, when a macbook is fully loaded, it'll make quite a bit noice
20:06:18 <jorendc> but .. I think libreoffice isn't meant to build on a laptop :-)
20:06:25 <jorendc> and laptops aren't made to build on :p
20:07:02 <jmadero> I think it's not meant to be built on compact laptops that are build for just basic functions ;)
20:07:05 <jmadero> which means....most macs
20:07:08 <jorendc> but ... When a CPU goes up to 100% ... I think a laptop must take the heat for 2 houres without problems
20:07:16 <jmadero> my laptop is quite large with a ton of open space for fans
20:07:25 <jorendc> I can agree to that :-)
20:07:36 * jorendc going to start his Ubuntu computer :-)
20:07:36 <jmadero> best bet might be for her to get a cooling pad
20:07:40 <jmadero> okay :)
20:11:39 <jorendc> ok back :-)
20:11:53 <jorendc> I'm interested in this EasyHack https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46718
20:11:56 <IZBot> bug 46718: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW UI: Delete multiple styles at once
20:13:20 <jmadero> jorendc: you mean in fixing that?
20:13:33 <jorendc> it's an enhancement
20:13:35 <jorendc> but yes :-)
20:15:08 <jmadero> jorendc: assign it to yourself and try it out :) mmeeks put a pointer in there
20:15:26 <jorendc> I know, I already tried to understand how it works
20:15:32 <jorendc> but I still can't figure it out :p
20:15:39 <jorendc> so, I'll watch it from a distance now
20:15:56 <jorendc> and my other improvement (add close button to findbar) is also still under review
20:25:23 <jmadero> jorendc: usually those take a couple weeks
20:25:31 <jmadero> especially right now when so many devs are so busy
20:25:56 <jmadero> you got the icon to show up correctly?
20:33:43 <jorendc_> pff, disconnected jmadero
20:33:47 <jorendc_> yes, I got the icon working
20:34:06 <jmadero> nice!
20:34:09 <jmadero> just required dev-install?
20:34:27 <jmadero> do you think we'll hit the 0 mark for Friday on UNCONFIRMED bugs?
20:36:40 <jorendc_> yes, just used dev-install etc
20:36:45 <jorendc_> but as long they don't accept it...
20:36:57 <jorendc_> It'll not be a feature of LO so far :)
20:37:01 <jorendc_> mmmh, I hope so
20:37:07 <jorendc_> but 0 is euh ... a bit optimistic
20:37:13 <jorendc_> because there are some bugs we can't confirm
20:39:35 <jmadero> yeah, hopefully 0 for any that we can confirm, then I can tell ESC remaining we can't confirm
20:39:38 <jmadero> so they'll have to look at them
20:40:28 <jmadero> I wonder of the ~28 left, how many we could theoretically reproduce
20:40:29 <jmadero> maybe 20?
20:40:50 <jorendc> yes
20:40:52 <jorendc> I think so
20:42:10 <jmadero> 3 more today, then tomorrow maybe down to 15-20, Wed. down to 5-10
20:42:18 <jmadero> and those last ones probably not testable by us
20:42:24 <jorendc> that'll be nice
20:42:39 <jmadero> then, 1020 prior to version 4 ;)
20:43:08 <jorendc> :p
20:48:35 <jmadero> hoping to come up with a reasonable goal to tackle those 1020
20:48:44 <jmadero> 50 per month decrease maybe
20:48:52 <jmadero> 2 years we'll be down to 0 ;)
20:48:55 <jorendc> haha :p
20:49:20 <jorendc> mmh, I hope we can mark many bugs as 'worksforme', 'invalid' or 'fixed' :-)
20:49:28 <jorendc> that'll safe us much time
20:50:13 <jmadero> hopefully, what I want to do is blast an email to every reporter with a bug over 6 months old that lists every bug they have reported and says something like "is this still a bug"
20:50:17 <jmadero> not ideal but maybe gets the list down
20:51:01 <jorendc> mmh, yes maybe
20:51:10 <jorendc> but I think that'll not be 'userfriendly'
20:51:16 <jorendc> ok, that's a HUGE job to do them all manually
20:51:41 <jorendc> but I think we can triage there many bugs/dups etc
20:52:00 <jmadero> yeah, we'll worry about that maybe starting next week
20:52:11 <jmadero> our process will change to "monitor 4.0 list, tackle <4.0 llist"
20:52:20 <jmadero> so as soon as something is reported against 4.0, triaged within 24 hours
20:52:43 <jorendc> and I shouldn't like it when I take time to report a bug, and after 6 months still don't receive any answer... and once I receive a standard message 'please, reopen it when it's still there'..
20:52:53 <jorendc> effective and efficient: yes, I certainly agree :-)
20:52:59 <jorendc> but userfriendly ... not at all
20:53:58 <jorendc> jmadero: we can set this as NEW? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59346
20:54:04 <IZBot> bug 59346: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium REOPENED FILESAVE: FILEOPEN: Certain conditional formatting is broken
20:54:28 <jorendc> (didn't read it yet, but as far I see its kind of 'new', but it's just not a feature (but enhancement)
20:54:32 <jorendc> don't know for sure
20:54:50 <jmadero> jorendc: I think leaving as REOPENED and assigning to Markus is good
20:54:56 <jmadero> if it's reopened + assigned that = NEW
20:55:20 <jmadero> actually no I think just NEW
20:55:22 <jmadero> either way
20:55:27 <jmadero> our policies really need to get finalized :)
20:55:42 <jorendc> indeed :-)
20:56:21 <jorendc> jmadero: quite easy to test
20:56:22 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59278
20:56:25 <IZBot> bug 59278: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Missing dot when exporting PDF (regression)
20:56:33 <jorendc> but you only need to count twice to 47 or 48 ;-)
20:57:28 <jmadero> lol I can't believe that's a bug report
20:57:51 <jmadero> easier way
20:57:53 <jmadero> count characters yes?
20:57:56 <jmadero> hold on one minute
20:57:57 <jorendc> :p yes it is :-)
20:57:57 <jorendc> yes
20:58:08 <jorendc> and I think I can't reproduce it
20:58:14 <jorendc> I counted it twice :D
20:59:45 <jmadero> my turn to count
21:01:08 <jmadero> 47 with 4.0
21:02:49 <jmadero> 48 with 3.6
21:02:51 <jmadero> I see the difference
21:02:51 <jmadero> :)
21:03:04 <jmadero> i didn't manually count, copy paste from pdf back into writer
21:03:11 <jmadero> then do a word count which gives you # of characters
21:04:15 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
21:04:20 <jorendc> I'll try that too in a minute
21:07:53 <jorendc> 47 characters 4.0
21:08:23 <jorendc> 47 3.6 ...
21:08:25 <jorendc> I can't :-)
21:08:37 <jorendc> but my formatting isn't that nice (see attached screenshot)
21:08:46 <jorendc> so I think there's the problem with Mac OSX
21:09:27 <jmadero> that's really strange
21:09:30 <jmadero> I'll confirm it
21:09:35 <jorendc> ok
21:12:31 <jorendc> mmh, latest added bugs are all 3 linguistic
21:14:09 <jorendc> that doesn't make it easier for us to reach 0 :p
21:22:39 <jmadero> lol nice
21:23:54 <jmadero> I don't even know if this other one is a bug...
21:23:58 <jmadero> mybe the new behavior is better
21:24:03 <jmadero> maybe 3.6 was the problem....how do I test that
21:24:07 <jmadero> this is such a minor issue
21:24:23 <jorendc> I agree to that
21:25:31 <jmadero> I marked it as NEEDINFO
21:25:42 <jmadero> asking a) how do you know this is a bug and not an improvement and b) what impact does this really ahve
21:26:35 <jorendc> :p
21:29:36 <jorendc> 26 bugs to go
21:44:28 <jmadero> jorendc: 1 left for today then :)
21:44:35 <jmadero> dammit back up to 27
21:45:34 <jorendc> ok :-) good work
21:45:40 <jorendc> have a nice day further!
21:47:11 <jmadero> jorendc: taking off?
21:47:28 <jorendc> 1 left for today then :)
21:47:42 <jorendc> so I thought you were leaving
21:47:45 <jmadero> I just marked one as NEW even though I disagreed with it ;)
21:47:54 <jmadero> nah I'm sticking around until I'm off work
21:48:57 <jorendc> :p
21:49:40 <jmadero> I wonder about that one
21:49:41 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59380
21:49:43 <IZBot> bug 59380: LibreOffice-Linguistic normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Default dictionaries set for Spanish UI
21:52:47 <jorendc> mmh
21:52:59 <jorendc> I'm not that familiar with languages and languages settings etc
21:53:09 <jorendc> but I don't know who to issign
21:53:12 <jorendc> assign*
22:31:39 <jorendc> jmadero: :D I fixed something :D!
22:31:50 <jorendc> \o/ I did it :D
22:32:05 <jorendc> when you select a style in 'styles and formatting'
22:32:10 <jorendc> you can't just click on delete
22:32:16 <jorendc> but ... it scripted to ...
22:32:26 <jorendc> but the logic operators where wrong :D
22:32:48 <jorendc> now, when you press delete ... it'll ask you if you want to delete it
22:37:36 <jmadero> jorendc: excellent :)!
22:37:41 <jmadero> is that related to a bug?
22:38:13 <jorendc> not that I'm aware of :D
22:38:25 <jmadero> lol at least it's fixed :)
22:38:27 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1681/
22:38:45 <jorendc> I was scrolling through the script and I saw a typo
22:39:00 <jorendc> so when fixing it ... I saw that the logical operators where wrong
22:39:14 <jorendc> AND you need to click on delete... AND you need to push DEL button ...
22:39:22 <jorendc> weard logic and situation
22:41:42 <jorendc> lol, I can't believe it if I'm right (and I think so)
22:41:50 <jorendc> but that'll mean ... my first bugfix :p
22:41:54 * jorendc quite happy :D
22:42:59 <jorendc> mmh shuck
22:44:21 <jorendc> I think I forgot something important ... and I think I'm a bit to fast here xD
22:46:45 <jorendc> yups :( I didn't fix anything
22:46:58 <jmadero> lol
22:46:59 <jorendc> pff, I was a little bit to happy I guess :( :p
22:47:02 <jmadero> I do that all the time
22:47:21 <jorendc> I forgot that was the checker that you can't delete default templates
22:47:31 <jorendc> default styles*
22:58:34 <jmadero> ah, easy misttake :)
22:58:39 <jmadero> to make*
23:03:58 <jorendc> yeps :p
23:04:03 <jorendc> a bit to easy :p
23:24:17 <jmadero> I sent an email out to Spanish discuss list about fdo#59380
23:24:19 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Linguistic normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Default dictionaries set for Spanish UI https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59380
23:28:30 <jorendc> nice job :)
23:32:30 <jmadero> jorendc: okay signing off at least for a bit, don't forget your studies ;)
23:33:13 <jmadero> take it easy :)
16:59:20 <jmadero> mmeeks: any way that we can get IZBot to announce bug updates from FDO here as well?
17:10:52 <mmeeks> jmadero: ah - poke cloph, or thorsten in the -dev channel ?
17:10:56 <mmeeks> and yes - it should be ~easy
17:11:06 <jmadero> thanks:)
17:14:21 <jorendc> hi jmadero
17:14:23 <jorendc> :-)
17:14:31 <jmadero> jorendc: hey Joren
17:14:39 <jorendc> how are you :)?
17:15:08 <jmadero> uh, I'm okay
17:15:09 <jmadero> you?
17:16:40 <jorendc> I'm fine :-) thanks
17:16:49 <jorendc> back at work I suppose?
17:17:44 <jmadero> yeah
17:17:50 <jmadero> committed a trivial patch this morning :)
17:17:55 <jmadero> first one in a long time
17:18:03 <jmadero> lol really trivial ;)
17:18:29 <jorendc> ooh, nice
17:18:38 <jorendc> what kind of patch :D?
17:19:08 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1701/ ooh I see :-)
17:19:18 <jorendc> great :D!
17:21:54 <jmadero> lol
17:22:23 <jorendc> I'm still trying to solve that 'easyhack'
17:22:31 <jorendc> but it isn't a easyhack at all :p
17:22:51 <jorendc> I think I need to change A lot (also in other classes) to make it work :p
17:26:04 <jorendc> but, anyways :) you did a good job :)
17:27:11 <jmadero> lol it was really minor, now working on triaging, our count jumped again
17:27:50 <jorendc> yes
17:28:05 <jorendc> but I don't know either how to reproduce https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59428
17:28:08 <IZBot> bug 59428: LibreOffice-Writer blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED Broken mirrored page layout
17:28:12 <jorendc> ... too less information
17:28:31 <jmadero> yes, but I think that's a developer
17:28:33 <jorendc> is it too 'less' or 'few'?
17:28:36 <jmadero> https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/credits/
17:28:51 <jorendc> ok :)
17:29:01 <jmadero> we can use that page as a rough guide if we can just confirm bugs
17:29:07 <jmadero> I think >100 commits, good enough to just mark as new
17:29:50 <jorendc> yes, that's a good idea
17:30:00 <jmadero> jorendc: can you take a look at this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59416&list_id=208213
17:30:02 <IZBot> bug 59416: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Page Fields not right
17:30:02 <jmadero> I don't use metric system
17:30:07 <jmadero> hard to convert to inches ;)
17:30:09 <jorendc> jmadero: is it "too less information", or "too few information"
17:30:11 <jmadero> (I'm too lazy this morning)
17:30:12 <jorendc> ok :-)
17:30:18 <jmadero> it's not enough information
17:31:05 * jorendc note that down
17:42:08 <jorendc> jmadero: you know where to manage the 'tabs' (the distance when you hit the tab-button)
17:42:28 <jmadero> jorendc: tab stops yes?
17:42:35 <jorendc> jmadero: yes
17:42:36 <jorendc> :)
17:42:43 <jorendc> I'm a bit lost I think :D
17:42:48 <jmadero> with that bug?
17:42:53 <jorendc> (or it's just hard to find)
17:43:02 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59412
17:43:06 <IZBot> bug 59412: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW FORMATTING: [suggestion] Add functionality in field rullers
17:43:07 <jorendc> but it's not a bug
17:43:10 <jorendc> it's an enhancement
17:43:15 <jmadero> I just did that one ;)
17:43:24 <jmadero> just said it's an enhancement
17:43:26 <jmadero> and marked as NEW
17:43:26 <jorendc> but I clicked on my ruler ... so now I set a tab stop :p
17:43:32 <jmadero> oh you need to remove it?
17:43:48 <jmadero> left click on it and drag it off the ruler
17:43:53 <jmadero> all the way to the left or right
17:43:53 <jorendc> yeah I know; but I would like to remove it indeed (and I would like to see where I can do that :p ... I'm not that familiar)
17:44:11 <jorendc> ooh, great
17:44:12 <jorendc> thanks :D
17:44:21 <jmadero> sure :)
17:53:52 <jmadero> already down to 27
17:53:58 <jmadero> 12 more today and we'll be good
17:54:17 <jmadero> that comment from Umas, I'm tempted to ignore it and close as fixed
17:58:38 <jmadero> jorendc: I just confirmed one of those graphite ones ;)
17:59:35 <jorendc> graphite :p?
17:59:53 <jorendc> and comment of umas (I'm sorry, I'm reading my emails right now :p)
18:00:12 <jmadero> all good, sorry for bugging you:)
18:00:14 <jmadero> the Indian language one
18:00:55 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
18:01:03 <jorendc> and don't excuse :D
18:01:06 <jorendc> No need for that
18:03:04 <jmadero> 2 of the indian language ones
18:03:08 <jmadero> he actually had a nice test kit
18:03:10 <jmadero> I just never opened it haha
18:08:49 <jmadero> moggi: morning
18:09:06 <jmadero> jorendc: any ideas about this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57464
18:09:08 <IZBot> bug 57464: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED RTF Copying across paragraphs creates broken ANSI content
18:10:35 <jorendc> mmh
18:10:51 <jorendc> ANSI .... I already crash when I see that word
18:11:38 <jorendc> jmadero: in the mean time you can maybe have a look at this one? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59273
18:11:40 <IZBot> bug 59273: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Writer doesn't display all table cells in DOCX file
18:11:56 <jorendc> I think I can reproduce (regression 3.6 vs 4.0) but I hadn't enough time
18:15:14 <jorendc> jmadero: ...  how to check bug #57464 :s
18:15:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED RTF Copying across paragraphs creates broken ANSI content https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57464
18:15:22 <jorendc> I'm not familiar with RTF at all
18:29:15 <jorendc> 25 bugs :p
18:31:44 <jmadero> jorendc: I saw that one too, I'm not familiar either
18:31:52 <jmadero> let's see if someone in dev channel will look
18:32:06 <jorendc> :-) maybe miklos?
18:32:52 <jorendc> down to 24
18:33:06 <jorendc> but now I got to go (tomorrow exam, need to study quite a bit more :p)
18:33:12 <jmadero> good luck!
18:33:16 <jmadero> I'm going to get it down to 15 today
18:33:37 <jorendc> cool :-)
18:33:56 <jorendc> maybe in an hour or 2 I'm back (pauzing)
18:34:16 <jorendc> :-) then I can triage some more
18:35:24 <jorendc> bye :)!
19:58:14 <jorendc> hi jmadero
20:00:34 <jmadero> jorendc: hey
20:00:46 <jmadero> I sent out an email with the remaining bugs, I don't think I can do any of the remaining ones
20:00:51 <jorendc> 16 bugs left! nice job
20:01:00 <jmadero> 15 ;)
20:01:00 <jorendc> jmadero: I see :-) I just was reading rainers reply
20:01:07 <jmadero> the one REOPENED one is actually NEW
20:01:08 <jorendc> wow, wonderful!
20:01:08 <jmadero> it's assigned
20:01:19 <jmadero> so it is appropriately marked as REOPENED
20:01:39 <jorendc> ok :)
20:05:26 <jmadero> my entire office went out to lunch and I refused, lol
20:05:29 <jmadero> I think I just made new enemies ;)
20:05:39 <jmadero> enemies is wrong word, I think I offended some people
20:08:16 <jorendc> :o
20:08:28 <jorendc> why you didn't :p?
20:10:19 <jmadero> no interest in going
20:14:09 <jorendc> oh ok :-
20:14:11 <jorendc> )
20:14:45 <jorendc> I reopened a bug
20:14:56 <jorendc> but's is already 'confirmed' and sended to the website mailinglist
20:16:03 <jmadero> saw that :)
20:16:11 <jorendc> so, we're now 'back on' 18 bugs; but now we can do -2 :p
20:16:39 <jmadero> 16 right? 2 of them are confirmed just need to be assigned
20:16:44 <jmadero> 1 of those are actually already assigned
20:16:50 <jmadero> 1 is for website team to deal with
20:17:04 <jorendc> pff, it's 9:05 PM over here ... and I feel like it's 3AM :p
20:17:22 <jorendc> oh ok :p
20:17:29 <jmadero> haha lately I've been really tired early
20:17:33 <jmadero> but last night I went to bed at 12:30 :)
20:17:55 <jorendc> that's early in my terms :p (now with my exams)
20:18:07 <jorendc> otherwise I mostly go to bed at 12:00 :p
20:18:23 <jorendc> but now I always stay up till 2 AM or so (but not this time I guess :p )
20:18:33 <jmadero> lol
20:22:42 <jorendc> I'll reboot in Windows :-)
20:22:58 <jorendc> I saw some bugs related to windows :p
20:23:05 <jorendc> so we can confirm them also
20:23:09 <jorendc> be right back
20:30:47 <jorendc> ok back :)
20:30:57 <mmeeks> jorendc, jmadero: wow 16 bugs left is really impressive :-)
20:31:00 <jorendc> oh, updates :D
20:31:15 * jorendc hates windows already again :p
20:31:22 <jorendc> indeed mmeeks :-)
20:31:25 <jmadero> mmeeks: most the credit goes to jorendc
20:31:28 <jorendc> but we can use a bit of help from the devs
20:31:32 <jmadero> and markit (I believe how you spell his name)
20:31:41 <jorendc> no no, to jmadero and markit :-)
20:31:57 <jmadero> I'm happy with the progress, I think 0 is a real possibility if devs just help out a little
20:33:51 <jmadero> jorendc: my wife has Windows, I keep refusing to test on it, I want to tell users "switch to Linux, problem solved"
20:33:55 <jmadero> ;)
20:33:56 <jmadero> she hates it just as much as I do
20:34:13 <jorendc> :D
20:35:15 <mmeeks> jorendc: nice work ! :-)
20:36:06 <jorendc> mmeeks: in the mean time i'm working on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46718
20:36:09 <IZBot> bug 46718: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW UI: Delete multiple styles at once
20:36:23 <jorendc> but I think I'm a bit stuck there; because I really need to change a lot (it isn't an Easyhack anymore) :p
20:37:39 <jorendc> I made of the treelistbox a multi-selection list; and I'm now as far you can select 2 styles and delete them without problem
20:38:12 <jorendc> but when you try to delete 3 at once, there is a function that is triggered to update the list :p
20:38:37 <jorendc> in summary ... I'm working on that ... but I think that EasyHack isn't the right defenition for it :p
20:40:28 <mmeeks> jorendc: heh :-)
20:40:51 <mmeeks> jorendc: fun - so you need to hold-off the list update until the items are all deleted ?
20:41:07 <mmeeks> jorendc: sounds exciting - thanks for persisting with it - sounds like you did great.
20:41:09 <mmeeks> jorendc: did you get the 'x' button for search sorted ?
20:41:16 <jorendc> I think so; I'm still analysing why it has that behavior
20:41:22 * mmeeks was not so happy with the; "wait for me" thing that happened in there
20:41:26 <mmeeks> IMHO first-come-first-commit but ... ;-)
20:42:00 <jmadero> I think his problem with the button was just needed dev-install
20:42:02 <jmadero> make wasn't enough
20:42:02 <jorendc> mmeeks: still no reply/review on my findbar 'x' botton ...
20:42:47 <jorendc> nops; you need to 'make dev-install' for that
20:43:30 <jorendc> as you see https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/ the folder 'officecfg' is involved in this one ...
20:44:02 <jorendc> and markus told me that you need always to 'make dev-install' when I alter there something
20:44:21 <jorendc> (there are some more folders where a 'make' isn't enough)
20:49:58 <mmeeks> jorendc: oh - that sucks - kendy is the man to badger with the issue # - when he is back (BTW) ;-)
20:50:03 <kendy> mmeeks: We chatted with jorendc about the Close button here a bit, coming to a conclusion that it'll be best to push that & clean up later if necessary / Tamas still unhappy ;-)
20:50:39 <jorendc> kendy: I can do it the way I first did ...
20:50:44 <jorendc> but they we have no button :-)
20:51:37 <kendy> jorendc: 'they'?
20:51:47 <jorendc> then*
20:51:51 <jorendc> sorry :p
20:51:53 <kendy> :-)
20:52:35 <jorendc> kendy: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/icon-themes/README
20:53:42 <jorendc> Now, you need to add 2 new icon images under icon-themes/galaxy/cmd/, one      88   for the large size and one for the smaller size.  The name of each image      89   must be lc_<command name>.png and sc_<command name>.png.
20:54:23 <jorendc> Now, you need to add 2 new icon images under icon-themes/galaxy/cmd/, one      88   for the large size and one for the smaller size.  The name of each image      89   must be lc_<command name>.png and sc_<command name>.png.
20:54:34 <jorendc> Here, the command      90   name is the name given in the above .xcu file without the ".uno:" prefix and      91   all its letters lower-cased.
20:55:05 <mmeeks> kendy: an you're here :-)
20:55:21 * mmeeks thinks because it is 11:45 his time, kendy should not be working - and ... wait ;-) I'm right ;-)
20:55:30 <jorendc> :p
20:55:33 <mmeeks> sorry 23:45 ...
20:55:41 <jorendc> 21:45 here
20:55:45 <jorendc> mmeeks: what country?
20:55:49 <mmeeks> jorendc: Saudi Arabia
20:55:50 <jorendc> :-)
20:55:55 <jorendc> oh, nice :)
20:55:57 <jorendc> Belgium over here
21:00:07 <jorendc> but mmeeks ... as I see so far ... the only possibility to set an icon for the command is to make it as a '.uno'
21:00:08 <kendy> mmeeks: Only 21:45; and I've spent some time today with the older daughter registering her for school, so working now ;-)
21:00:25 <mmeeks> kendy: gwim ?
21:00:33 <mmeeks> jorendc: fun,
21:00:40 <jorendc> :p
21:00:47 <jorendc> yeps :p
21:03:58 <jmadero> I think that we need a warning of some kind if we edit a file that requires make dev-install
21:04:18 <jmadero> it can result in a headache for new developers when they are sure their code is right and all they haven't done is make dev-install
21:04:46 <jorendc> I'm not a core dever; but I agree to that :p
21:05:28 <jorendc> If I didn't had the help of markus ... I never know that and I was keep searching for the answer 'why does my script don't work'?
21:05:40 <jorendc> and all I had to do was a simple dev-install :p
21:05:41 <jmadero> yeah, I had that issue last night when I just did the label update
21:06:08 <jmadero> jorendc: you're better at gerrit than I am, if you saw this http://pastebin.com/SrVkNvtW
21:06:15 <jmadero> how would you go about finding the change that caused the bug
21:06:47 <jorendc> jmadero: don't know that :p
21:06:53 <jorendc> I also searched for it
21:07:00 <jorendc> (by doing a bibisect) :p
21:07:20 <kendy> jorendc: What do you need with the icon exactly, please?
21:07:31 <jmadero> that is from a bibisect ;)
21:07:43 <jmadero> that's the output, now I just want to find who did the commit and what the name of that was
21:08:05 <jorendc> I saw that was from bibisect :p
21:08:30 <jorendc> but I had my own solution for it... :p
21:09:06 <jorendc> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/
21:09:24 <jorendc> go to to November 6 :p
21:09:28 <jorendc> and search from then
21:09:50 <jorendc> but that's not the best way I suppose :p
21:12:29 <kendy> jorendc: Like, it does not show on the button, or?
21:12:45 <jorendc> kendy: just a blank button
21:12:57 <jorendc> I can create 'space' ... and I can click on it
21:13:03 <jorendc> but no button (=cross)
21:13:05 <kendy> jorendc: :-)
21:13:10 <kendy> jorendc: Let me check
21:13:34 <jorendc> and therefore I created a uno for it
21:13:39 <jorendc> and now it has a cross
21:13:41 <jorendc> and just works :p
21:14:44 <jorendc> see comment https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/
21:22:34 <jmadero> jorendc: learned how to fully use bibisect finally
21:23:18 <jorendc> :p
21:23:26 <jorendc> you know the right way to search for the good range?
21:25:01 <jmadero> yeah and see every patch that was submitted
21:25:03 <jorendc> jmadero?
21:25:08 <jorendc> ooh
21:25:11 <jorendc> really?
21:25:12 <jorendc> how :o?
21:26:07 <jorendc_> damn disconnection
21:26:11 <jmadero> so when you do the log, it gives you a list of good and bad
21:26:12 <jorendc_> I missed something jmadero ?
21:26:19 <jorendc_> yes
21:26:21 <jmadero> you get the oldest bad and the latest bad
21:26:22 <jmadero> and yo udo this
21:26:31 <jmadero> git log  4316e643ef345b0f673b4a03a80a4b7cb3185588..ae4e4a11d4300f7448cb6bd170fcb034542caddc
21:26:33 <IZBot> core - WaE uno any conversion does not like int - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=4316e643ef345b0f673b4a03a80a4b7cb3185588
21:26:36 <jmadero> within your libo directory
21:26:46 <jmadero> it just spits out every patch that was committed, then you can search for which one looks most likely
21:26:59 <jorendc_> nice :D
21:27:24 <jorendc_> thanks for sharing jmadero
21:27:41 <jmadero> I just learned from mst :) should add that to the wiki
21:27:57 <jorendc_> yes indeed :o
21:29:19 <jmadero> now trying to see if there is an easy easy to remove the patch
21:29:20 <jmadero> or revert it
21:29:26 <jmadero> to verify that it's indeed the culprit
21:29:39 <jmadero> ertai_NL: did I send you the API stuff for FDO?
21:40:49 <ertai_NL> ne
21:40:50 <ertai_NL> no
21:41:28 <jmadero> okay let me get that for you
21:42:40 <jmadero> ertai_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/xmlrpc.cgi
21:42:43 <jmadero> that's what tollef sent me
21:45:11 <cloph_away> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38838
21:45:14 <IZBot> bug 38838: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium NEW Removal/Replacement of the String/UniString with OUString once and for all.
21:48:35 <jmadero> jorendc: IZBot announces now
21:48:41 <jmadero> like we discussed a few days ago
21:49:29 <cloph_away> fdonew 2
21:49:33 <cloph_away> IZBot: fdonew 2
21:49:35 <IZBot> [Bug 59427] CONFIGURATION: german version - no administration of templates for documents possible || [Bug 59382] Installation file should have a LibreOffice icon
21:49:40 <jorendc> nice :-)
21:50:14 <jorendc> :D
21:50:43 <jorendc> jmadero: can you reproduce: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59437 ?
21:50:44 <cloph_away> a real announce-message (instead of querying the last results manually) looks like this:
21:50:46 <IZBot> bug 59437: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Crash when loading a document
21:50:52 <cloph_away> 22:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59437] Crash when loading a document <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59437>
21:50:54 <IZBot> bug 59437: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Crash when loading a document
21:51:07 <jorendc> thanks cloph_away!
21:51:25 <jmadero> jorendc: ....I broke my install ;)
21:51:35 <jorendc> lol :p
21:51:36 <jmadero> tried reverting a major change,
21:51:37 <jmadero> haha
21:51:51 <jorendc> xD haha
21:51:58 <jorendc> try to revert it back :p?
21:52:13 <jmadero> no, he shouldn't have opened a bug with that
21:52:19 <jmadero> it was from another bug that I commented on, I opened it fine
21:52:20 <cloph_away> Do you also want to have new questions from ask.libreoffice.org announced here?
21:52:28 <jmadero> yes please :)
21:52:34 <jmadero> I think it'll help QA work (agreed jorendc ?)
21:53:04 <cloph_away> Well, if you want it to stop, I can remove the announcements again :-)
21:53:05 <jorendc> mmh
21:53:10 <jorendc> I don't know
21:53:17 <jorendc> I don't look at ask.libreoffice.org that much
21:53:34 <jorendc> but I agree with jmadero it's  a good QA feature
21:53:36 <cloph_away> IZBot: announce add asklibo
21:53:36 <IZBot> The operation succeeded.
21:53:43 <jorendc> :-)
21:53:57 <cloph_away> IZBot: asklibo 3
21:53:58 <IZBot> XY scatter: dual y axis || ISEVEN changes alternate row formatting || status bar
21:54:51 <jmadero> cloph_away: is that pretty active?
21:57:09 <cloph_away> depends on how you define that
21:57:18 <cloph> yes, people make use of it :-)
21:57:34 <ertai_NL> jmadero: many thanks
21:58:48 <kendy> jorendc: Please did you check that the images.zip contains your new lc_*.png?
21:59:27 <jorendc> kendy: I think that's also in the patch...
21:59:28 <jmadero> cloph: hm, I guess we'll see :)
21:59:29 <jorendc> isn't it?
21:59:35 <jmadero> I don't want it to be overwhelming for the chat
21:59:59 <jorendc> kendy: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/3/icon-themes/galaxy/cmd/lc_exitsearch.png,unified
22:00:18 <cloph> Na, no worries, as the fdo one it is an rss feed and thus limited by the query-interval, you won't get flooded.
22:00:24 <kendy> jorendc: Yes, in the patch yes, but if it got to images.zip during the build...
22:00:41 <kendy> jorendc: If not, that might be the reason why you are seeing just the empty button :-)
22:01:37 <jorendc> kendy: I don't think I'm clear enough :p
22:01:43 <jorendc> ok, how to explain this with my bad english
22:02:12 <jorendc> First I tried add this feature as the way tamaz said:
22:02:30 <jorendc> The FindbarDispatcher class enables us to catch and work up messages which is belong to findbar, like 'vnd.sun.star.findbar:FocusToFindbar
22:02:40 <jmadero> cloph: perfect! thanks again, the QA channel is becoming pretty active these days
22:02:56 <jorendc> but I already tried that... but you can't link an icon that that command
22:03:11 <kendy> jorendc: Yes
22:03:22 <jorendc> so I found the README of the icon-themes
22:04:12 <kendy> jorendc: Yes
22:04:20 <jorendc> and there are instructions described that the icon-thing is searching for the command behind the uno
22:04:33 <jorendc> so if you use following command: '.uno:blabla'
22:04:46 <jorendc> it'll search for a icon named lc_blabla.png in the icon-theme folder
22:05:10 <jorendc> and I couldn't find it how to link an icon with other commands then uno
22:05:21 <jorendc> vnd.sun.star.findbar:FocusToFindbar ... I already tried this kind of command
22:05:45 <jorendc> but when you put a 'lc_focustofindbar.png' in your icon-theme folder ... there is no icon set
22:06:11 <jorendc> ... just a blank button with no icon (it's clickable, yes... but not more then that)
22:06:28 <jorendc> and for all this, I just made a '.uno' command of it :-)
22:06:59 <kendy> jorendc: Ah sorry, I missed that it is working for you now ;-)
22:07:14 <jorendc> yeah sure :D
22:07:17 <jorendc> no problem
22:07:28 <jorendc> but first it didn't work for me .. just a 'stupid' blank button...
22:07:34 <jorendc> but then I saw the README steps
22:07:39 <jorendc> and I changed it all to uno
22:07:43 <jorendc> and now it works perfect
22:07:45 <jorendc> (for me)
22:07:50 <kendy> jorendc: I guess we would be able to ~easily extend the search for the icons even in the vnd.sun.star.whatever: case, but it is just not necessary
22:07:59 <kendy> jorendc: Let's do it .uno: as you've done.
22:08:38 <jorendc> kendy: sure :-)
22:08:44 <kendy> jorendc: So you are happy yourself with the patchset 3 from https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/ ?
22:09:04 <jorendc> but if there are some devs not happy with that ... I can do it as i first did ... but then I need some help to link the icon etc
22:09:20 <jorendc> yes I am (all three patches are the same btw ... I just struggled with Git and send that trice :p )
22:10:30 <jorendc> patch 3 is identical to patch 2 and patch 1
22:11:40 <kendy> jorendc: Anybody else than Zolnai Tamas is unhappy, or only him?
22:11:50 <jorendc> don't know
22:11:57 <jorendc> I didn't speak about it with other devs
22:12:04 <jorendc> :)
22:12:18 <kendy> jorendc: OK, no prob then, I'll integrate it tomorrow & talk to Tamas ;-)
22:12:52 * kendy now has to go sleep
22:12:52 <jorendc> but IF there are others who disagree, or Tamas still refuses to accept my way ... I'll change it back to my first script and just 'follow' :-)
22:13:23 <jorendc> I'm not a core dev .. so I'll lissen to other devs :p
22:13:29 <jorendc> ok; thanks kendy; good night
22:13:42 <kendy> jorendc: What exactly do you mean by "I'll change it back to my first script", please?
22:14:05 <jorendc> the way I did as Tamas said ... (and what I first did)
22:14:13 <jorendc> but then there will be no icon
22:14:40 <kendy> jorendc: Oh, the vnd.sun.star.findbar way - no, that sucks ;-)
22:14:44 <jorendc> kendy: see comments of https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1557/ please :-)
22:14:47 <jorendc> kendy: yes :)
22:14:51 <jorendc> that way
22:15:47 <jorendc> It's the uno way, or the vnd.sun.star bla bla way :p ... I don't know another way ... and if so ... I think Tamas just script it by himself :p. I just like to see that implemented ;-)
22:16:25 <kendy> jorendc: Don't worry, I just wanted to double-check who disagrees, to be able to persuade them.  You've put lots of thought & trying into this, really no reason not to accept it :-)
22:16:35 * kendy really goes, see you!
22:17:50 <jmadero> jorendc: looks like it will be accepted :)
22:17:52 <jmadero> congrats on first patch
22:18:01 <jmadero> you're officially a libreoffice developer
22:18:12 <jorendc> thanks jmadero :-)
22:18:36 <jorendc> I already fixed a uno-command typo :p... So official it's not my first patch
22:18:40 <ertai_NL> jorendc: congrats
22:18:55 <ertai_NL> and also a Document Foundation member.. :)
22:18:58 <jorendc> but it's official a big patch :D (typo was just replacing a dot into a ':')
22:19:05 <jorendc> yes :p I saw that mail passing by this evening
22:19:13 <jmadero> ah you've gotten membership?
22:19:15 <jorendc> thanks ertai_NL
22:19:20 <jorendc> yes jmadero :D
22:19:27 <jmadero> jorendc: that's a big deal, congrats :)
22:20:29 <jorendc> thanks jmadero :D
22:20:32 <jorendc> I'm happy ^^
22:21:37 <ertai_NL> good to see
22:22:20 <jmadero> ertai_NL: does that link that tollef sent me help?
22:26:17 <ertai_NL> I think it does. I need to test it out with a query. But that won't be tonight. I hope I have time for BSA-buisiness this weekend.
22:26:31 <jmadero> ertai_NL: volunteering on the weekend, that's commitment ;)
22:26:49 <ertai_NL> :)
22:27:35 <jmadero> ertai_NL: if you had to guess just off the top of your head, how hard would it be to make a script that automatically pulls from fdo every day on my local machine
22:27:38 <jmadero> there are a couple caveats
22:27:51 <jmadero> I need to pull every bug (fdo limits searches to 10,000)
22:27:56 <jmadero> so currently I made a script, actually hold on
22:28:06 <jorendc> I got to go ... it's 11:17PM here, and I need to study ... *sigh*
22:28:23 <jmadero> jorendc: good luck
22:28:24 <ertai_NL> jorendc: studeer ze
22:28:25 <jorendc> jmadero: .... limits of fdo  = 10 000?
22:28:36 <jmadero> yeah in a search result
22:28:38 <jorendc> 10 000 unconfirmed bugs :p... or 10 000 bugs in total?
22:28:41 <jorendc> oh ok :D
22:28:46 <jorendc> thanks (both :) )
22:29:02 <jorendc> and cross your fingers for me tomorrow
22:29:06 <jmadero> will do
22:29:08 <jorendc> quite an improtant course :)
22:29:08 <jmadero> ertai_NL: http://pastebin.com/hMyg3DWU
22:29:12 <jorendc> thanks
22:29:15 <jmadero> then you need to nail it
22:29:17 <jmadero> Im sure you will
22:29:28 <jorendc> ;-) nail it as all unconfirmed bugs
22:29:30 <jorendc> bye :p
22:29:37 <jmadero> ertai_NL: to basically do that but instead of making 4 csv files, to get 1 (or even better create sheets in a ods)
22:30:58 <ertai_NL> jmadero: concat the csv's automaticly?
22:31:18 <jmadero> if I can't just turn it into ods then yes
22:31:42 <jmadero> I'd really prefer one ods file with multiple sheets, each day becomes a new sheet
22:31:45 <jmadero> but that seems....difficult
22:31:47 <ertai_NL> jmadero: convert them with LO from commandline
22:31:47 <jmadero> if not impossible
22:32:05 <ertai_NL> it's possible.. but difficult I think
22:32:22 <jmadero> that's what I figured, I'd really like to track bugs better, and fdo isn't very good about it
22:32:29 <jmadero> so if I have the data, I can write some macros to create stats for us
22:32:43 <jmadero> do you happen to know the commandline ?
22:33:35 <ertai_NL> no
22:33:47 <jmadero> okay I'll look it up, putting them into one file is a good start
22:33:54 <jmadero> easy enough to import into libo
22:35:15 <ertai_NL> jmadero: csv's can be easily concatonated. Only I see the file has headers. So they would appear randomly in the new CSV
22:35:41 <jmadero> I could probably easily find them and remove those with macro
22:35:56 <ertai_NL> yes.. they have a fixed value in the first column
22:37:05 <jmadero> I'm seeing a lot of "how to join csv files" but I just want to concatonated them
22:37:37 <ertai_NL> cat file1.csv >> file2.csv
22:37:56 <ertai_NL> with linux commandline
22:38:18 <jmadero> haha
22:38:21 <jmadero> why didn't I know that
22:38:33 <jmadero> so cat file1.csv file2.csv >> file3.csv?
22:38:56 <ertai_NL> I would test that but I think that would work
22:39:29 * ertai_NL going to sleep..
22:39:35 <ertai_NL> good night all
23:08:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Pictures are disappearing from the Draw document || Easiest way to update non-distro-repository installations on linux?
00:08:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Styles and Formats
00:37:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59443] FILESAVE: Saving a .DOC document as .DOCX bombs out
01:14:32 <jorendc> hi jmadero
01:14:44 <jorendc> I was just closing my browser to go to bed :D
01:15:32 <jorendc> because I can't test more bugs for 4.0, I just took a look at the buglist for our QA stats :p
01:15:33 <jorendc> 1022 bugs found.
01:15:45 <jorendc> started with 1026 I guess
01:16:23 <jorendc> just closing 4 bugs as 'worksforme' ... there was no reply on a reproduction of someone else ... and I can't reproduce it also (anymore?)
01:17:00 <jorendc> so I said -> we checked it on 2 independent systems (OS), and we both can't reproduce (anymore?). Therefore WFM; please feel free to reopen :p
01:17:28 <jorendc> but now I'm going to sleep a bit :-). Tomorrow I'll wake up early to study :p ... and then exam :o
01:17:30 <jorendc> bye!
01:41:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Cant find Libre after download
03:11:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Support for OpenType advance features please!
03:13:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59446] EDITING: Update VERO extesion gives an error
04:11:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Help using formula results
04:46:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59447] : Allow users to view word-breaks created by ICU Breakiterator || [Bug 59448] undefined: Allow users to turn off automatic ICU breakiterator
06:17:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59449] undefined: [suggestion] Font styles manager
06:48:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59451] Cells borders are displayed only with zoom 150% or more
07:12:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libreoffice Base - input mask and input conditions
08:19:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59453] EDITING: SUMIF do not calc time || [Bug 59454] FILEOPEN: in particular .RTF page break after page 1 is ignored and page orientation from page 2 is wrong (REGRESSION from AOO 3.4.1)
09:52:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59457] EDITING: Paste hangs LibreOffice Calc || [Bug 59458] ERR 511 in Calc
10:23:18 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59459] EDITING: Can't paste with keyboard (Cmd-V) to search field (Cmd-F) || [Bug 59458] FILEOPEN particular .ods saved from .xls shows ERR:511
10:42:06 <floeff> +++ REMINDER +++ gerrit reboot and five minutes outage in 7,5 hours
10:43:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libreoffice 3.5.1.2 menu problem
11:13:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Conditional formatting || Conditional formatting using data vadility cell range
11:23:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59460] Can't use "save as" or export to pdf anymore -> insufficent rights
11:51:07 <JBFaure> Hi, can somebody confirm that bugs fdo#57444 and fdo#59248 are duplicate and both fixed in LO 4.0.0.1+, even on MS-Windows ?
11:51:11 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/highest VERIFIED FIXED Writer and Fax wizards do not work https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59248
12:56:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59461] VIEWING: opened table || [Bug 59462] CONFIGURATION: Additional User Field Variables for Forename and Surname required
13:27:16 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59463] EDITING: "Record/track changes": Changes to images aren't recorded || [Bug 59464] EDITING: TABLE FIELD PROPERTY AUTOVALUE CAN NOT BE SET IN SPLIT DATABASE
14:28:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59466] Printing Problems Windows 7
14:58:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59469] Strange "Add-On 1" floating toolbar in new config dir
15:28:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59470] FILEOPEN: Libreoffice doesn't respect text formatting when importing XLSX file || [Bug 59471] UI: Scroll through sheet tabs not possible
15:59:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59471] UI: Scroll through sheet tabs by mouse wheel not possible
16:12:12 <jorendc> hi jmadero :-)
16:12:24 * jorendc reading jmadero's mail about QA :)
16:12:46 <jmadero> jorendc: take your test?
16:14:03 <jorendc> yes
16:14:12 <jmadero> how was it?
16:14:13 <jorendc> But I think I didn't do it that good :(
16:14:19 <jmadero> don't think about it now, it's done
16:14:58 <jorendc> 3 qustions ... the first one I f***t up :p; second was perfect, third euh ... 50/50
16:15:15 <jorendc> so maybe with a little bit of... a HUGE luck :p (hehe)
16:15:28 <jmadero> hah it's done, relax now
16:15:30 <jorendc> thanks for asking jmadero!
16:15:31 <jmadero> celebrate with your girlfriend
16:15:41 <jorendc> mmh ... still 4 more to go I think :s
16:15:43 <jorendc> :p
16:15:47 <jorendc> Friday = next
16:15:50 <jorendc> *sigh*
16:16:01 <jmadero> haha oh
16:16:04 <jmadero> not relaxing yet
16:17:49 <jorendc> mmmh :p
16:17:55 <jorendc> this evening yes :D
16:18:11 <jorendc> tomorrow ... back to studying :(
16:20:00 <jmadero> very good
16:22:14 <jorendc> mmh 23 bugs again
16:23:33 <jmadero> yeah but quite a few are REOPENED and ASSIGNED
16:23:37 <jmadero> which means we don't have to worry about them
16:26:48 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59473 you can reproduce?
16:26:50 <IZBot> bug 59473: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Text not displayed properly in particular file (regression)
16:27:11 <jorendc> download the document you can find in the reporters comment
16:27:17 <jmadero> let me finish this comment and I'll check it out
16:27:26 <jorendc> open with 4.0 + and export to PDF :)
16:27:28 <jorendc> sure :-)
16:29:31 <jmadero> first comment?
16:30:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59472] Calc locks other open spreadsheets when selecting cells for function in function guide || [Bug 59473] EDITING: Text not displayed properly in particular file (regression) || [Bug 59437] SwFmtAnchor::SetAnchor assert on loading a given document
16:31:14 <jmadero> this person always says diffpdf
16:35:22 <jorendc> :p I know
16:35:48 <jorendc> but when you export it as PDF (not the usual one
16:36:04 <jorendc> File -> Export as PDF -> PDF/A-1a -> Export
16:36:33 <jorendc> and then open pdf again, and see at the first page or you can see a | in the title (arabic)
16:37:04 <jmadero> ah, so that's not good
16:37:04 <jmadero> haha
16:37:11 <jmadero> mark it as NEW and leave a comment saying I'm an idiot ;)
16:38:37 <jorendc> you can reproduce jmadero ?
16:38:46 <jmadero> no, but I thought you just said you can
16:38:59 <jorendc> no, can't
16:39:35 <jorendc> so you did well :p
16:39:44 <jmadero> haha okay
16:39:49 <jorendc> well -> good
16:39:57 <jmadero> nope, well ;)
16:39:58 <jmadero> you were right
16:40:00 <jorendc> a dammit, jmadero
16:40:14 <jorendc> please help me with that kind of lingustic problems :D
16:40:14 <jmadero> I think, that rule is strange
16:40:15 <jmadero> haha
16:40:19 <jmadero> English has insane rules
16:40:31 <jorendc> haha :p ok
16:40:39 <jmadero> I before E except after C, but then there are a ton of exceptions to the rule
16:40:46 <jmadero> I always thought my language makes no sense
16:41:04 <jorendc> haha :D
16:44:48 <jmadero> I'm not spending any time looking for duplicates
16:44:52 <jmadero> I just want to get through this bloody list
16:47:38 <jorendc> :p me neither jmadero
16:47:56 <jmadero> 16 left (+3 that are reopened but assigned)
16:51:20 <jorendc> -2 :p
16:53:20 <jmadero> what is "personas"
16:53:21 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59230
16:53:27 <IZBot> bug 59230: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [Personas] No image behind toolbars
16:55:55 <jorendc> jmadero: you don't use firefox :p
16:55:55 <jorendc> ?
16:56:07 <jorendc> jmadero: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/archives/permalinks/2013-01-10T17_58_34.html
16:56:17 <jorendc> :D
16:56:32 <jmadero> lol I do, just never heard of this
16:56:48 <jorendc> :D
16:56:51 <jmadero> whaaaat
16:56:55 <jmadero> it applies a theme to LibO?
16:57:03 <jorendc> yes ... if you want to
16:57:15 <jmadero> how in the hell did I miss this
16:57:15 <jmadero> haha
16:57:20 <jorendc> :D
16:57:22 <jorendc> jmadero: https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/
16:57:35 <jorendc> just copy past the link in the corresponding setting window in LO :p
16:58:14 <jmadero> hm, corresponding setting window?
16:59:23 <jorendc> yes
16:59:45 <jmadero> I don't see where to put that link
16:59:47 <jorendc> tools -> options -> personalize
16:59:53 <jmadero> I'm in there but no where to put a link
16:59:54 <jorendc> select personas
17:00:02 <jmadero> haha nvm
17:00:04 <jmadero> I see it :)
17:00:07 <jorendc> :D
17:00:50 <jmadero> worked haha
17:00:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59476] FILESAVE: Problem saving a specific spreadsheet
17:00:51 <jmadero> crazy
17:01:42 <kendy> jorendc: caolan has beaten me to pushing your Close button :-) - thanks for that patch again!
17:01:59 <jorendc> kendy: I saw the mail passing by
17:02:08 <jorendc> thanks for your hard review work on this :-)
17:02:18 <jorendc> other components of LO will follow kendy
17:02:20 <jorendc> :p
17:02:30 <kendy> jorendc: Great :-)
17:03:38 <jmadero> kendy: any opinion on this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59230
17:03:39 <kendy> jorendc: It will be only adding the .uno:ExitSearch to the toolbar.xml's, nothing else I believe
17:03:40 <IZBot> bug 59230: LibreOffice-UI normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [Personas] No image behind toolbars
17:03:42 <jmadero> since you committed a patch awhile ago about it
17:04:09 <jorendc> kendy: oh really :o
17:04:12 <jorendc> that'll be awesome :D
17:04:21 * jorendc starting up Ubuntu :p
17:05:45 <kendy> jmadero: Ah, hmm, that must appear when no theming is in place, I'll take it
17:06:13 <jorendc> pje335: :-) hi
17:06:23 <jorendc> from the Netherlands :-)?
17:06:28 <pje335_Nl> yes
17:06:33 <jorendc> oh, leuk :p
17:06:37 <pje335_Nl> lol
17:06:37 <jorendc> Belg :)
17:06:48 <pje335_Nl> nou ik ben beide:)
17:06:56 <pje335_Nl> gescheide ouders :(
17:07:04 <jorendc> haha jmadero ... there is a Dutch invasion coming I think
17:07:20 <jorendc> ertai ... Cor Nouws ... pje335_Nl ... me :D
17:07:21 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe I'll actually learn something
17:07:31 <jorendc> oh ok :( jammer dat te horen
17:07:51 <pje335_Nl> just the way of life :D
17:07:55 <jorendc> ok, let's continue in English, because jmadero feels a bit sad if he can't follow the conversation :d
17:08:04 <jorendc> ;-)
17:08:06 <pje335_Nl> :D
17:08:11 <pje335_Nl> i will do
17:08:27 <jmadero> if we each can triage just 2 more bugs we'll be down to 9
17:08:30 <jmadero> with 3 of those assigned....
17:08:38 <jmadero> these last ones are tricky though
17:08:43 <jmadero> most are dependent on Windows environment
17:08:45 <jorendc> yes, indeed
17:08:53 <jmadero> again.....solution = throw Windows in the garbage ;)
17:08:54 <jorendc> or extension related ...
17:08:59 <pje335_NL> i got a mac maby there are some bugs?
17:09:00 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm pro :D
17:09:16 <jorendc> pje335_NL: :p I'm using Mac OSX to
17:09:21 <pje335_NL> ow oke
17:09:28 <jorendc> so, not I'm aware of 'mac osx' bugs only
17:09:32 <jmadero> (even worse....)
17:09:32 <jmadero> j/k
17:09:34 <jmadero> :)
17:09:46 <jorendc> j/k?
17:09:51 <jmadero> just kidding
17:10:31 <jorendc> haha :D :')
17:10:46 <pje335_NL> need to eat -,-
17:10:52 <jmadero> I really want o deal with this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59170
17:10:54 <IZBot> bug 59170: LibreOffice-Linguistic major/medium REOPENED Synonym suggestion not working with Umlauts
17:10:56 <jmadero> pje335_NL: enjoy :)
17:11:03 <jorendc> enjoy pje335_NL
17:11:08 <pje335_NL> thx :)
17:11:29 <jorendc> ow ... he reopend that one :s
17:11:40 <jmadero> yes, annoying ;)
17:11:47 <jorendc> dangit
17:11:48 <jorendc> yes
17:12:12 <jmadero> and in the user list they are telling this C.H.D to report every single bug he sees using diffpdf....
17:12:14 <jmadero> also annoying
17:12:14 <jmadero> lol
17:13:29 <jorendc> ;|
17:13:32 <jorendc> :|
17:13:36 <jorendc> whaaaat?
17:14:04 <jmadero> so we might see a blitz of bug reports
17:14:09 <jmadero> but oh well, okay just 2 more
17:14:30 <jmadero> what do I have to do to get german synonym
17:14:32 <jmadero> I'll test it just not sure how
17:15:40 <jorendc> I'm building right now jmadero
17:15:48 <jorendc> I'll do :p
17:15:50 <jmadero> on Linux?
17:16:02 <jorendc> yes :)
17:16:23 <jorendc> oh ...
17:16:37 <jorendc> but how to do that with 4.1 master version :s
17:16:55 <jorendc> are there german language packs to download or so :p?
17:18:00 <jmadero> -1
17:18:07 <jmadero> jorendc: that was my question ;)
17:18:12 <jmadero> I didn't think there were
17:19:12 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe just change language in master version and try again
17:19:15 <jorendc> but I don't know for sure
17:19:43 <jmadero> hm, I don't think so since we don't have German language
17:31:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59446] EDITING: Update VERO extension gives an error
17:33:09 <jmadero> down to 9 that really need triaged
17:40:47 <floeff> +++ SERVICE NOTICE +++ gerrit reboot with 5 mins downtime in 30 minutes
17:41:35 <ohallot> hi QA guys, can one of you do a simple test on Personas?
17:44:35 <jorendc> jmadero: 2013/01/16 	1027 	+41 	7 	+6
17:44:39 <jorendc> arg ...
17:44:41 <jorendc> ohallot: sure
17:46:34 * jorendc going to eat rist
17:46:36 <jorendc> first*
17:46:44 <jorendc> will be right back
17:46:57 <ohallot> jorendc: simple... I get a crash on master when I have Calc and Writer open and I change the Persona from one of the application. Looks like Personas change need to propagate to other LO open windows
17:49:54 <jmadero> ohallot: give me a second
17:50:06 <ohallot> jmadero: sure
17:50:11 <jmadero> ohallot: this on Linux?
17:50:26 <ohallot> jmadero: actually yes...
17:50:41 <jmadero> okay testing now
17:51:50 <jmadero> ohallot: can't reproduce
17:51:57 <jmadero> I had spreadsheet and writer open
17:52:01 <jmadero> changed persona and both changed
17:52:05 <jmadero> a bit slow but they changed
17:52:15 <jmadero> when was your last pull?
17:53:12 <ohallot> I did on last friday (my notebook takes ages to compile a pull). I'm checking on windows (rc1)
17:53:24 <ohallot> under Virtualbox
17:53:34 <jmadero> ohallot: yeah mine takes about 5 hours if core is touched, which it is often tehse days
17:53:45 <jmadero> my pull is from a couple days ago
17:54:04 <jmadero> so I did the test correct yes, just open writer/spreadsheet, and apply a persona
17:54:27 <ohallot> (Glad to now I'm not the only soul to suffer)
17:54:43 <ohallot> the 2 windows must be open at the same  time
17:54:50 <jmadero> yes
17:55:04 <jmadero> what I did just find out is if you change to plain theme, it doesn't change
17:55:06 <jmadero> which is interesting
17:56:33 <jmadero> yeah tested three times, not reproduced, Bodhi linux x64
17:56:42 <ohallot> jmadero: interesting is a nice euphemism for bug
17:56:54 <ohallot> :-)
17:57:07 <jmadero> ohallot: changes upon closing and reopening LibO
17:57:18 <jmadero> but switching back and forth between personas seems to work fine
17:57:49 <ohallot> jmadero: Thanks, I'll investigate more deeply on the subject.
17:58:08 <jmadero> ohallot: appreciate it, some people would just mark their own bug as NEW and say "I don't care that you can't reproduce"
17:58:08 <jmadero> lol
17:58:53 <pje335_NL> lol^
17:59:45 <jmadero> I feel like our bug fix flow is so good right now
17:59:49 <jmadero> QA is triaging fast and regressions are being fixed so fast
18:03:34 <floeff> +++ SERVICE NOTICE +++ gerrit reboot with 5 mins downtime in 7 minutes
18:04:22 <jmadero> floeff: did you see my question about the website that I cc'ed you on
18:07:00 <floeff> jmadero: yep - will fix this tomorrow :)
18:07:36 <jmadero> floeff: thanks :) going to assign the bug to you
18:08:14 <floeff> jmadero: yep, feel free to :) rebooting the gerrit host and then off for cooking w/ friends, but will fix this one tomorrow
18:08:23 <jmadero> enjoy your evening
18:12:18 <floeff> thanks!
18:16:17 <floeff> +++ SERVICE NOTICE +++ gerrit is back
18:22:26 <ohallot> jmadero: Personas: I just DL RC1 and put in a Win XP VB: I get the crash. Actions are: Open Writer, open Calc, set persona in Calc, LO crash...
18:26:59 <ohallot> jmadero: I'll try to get a tracebak (on linux) and send to bugzilla
18:27:15 <jmadero> ohallot: I saw another bug about xp and personas
18:27:17 <jmadero> hold on one second
18:28:30 <jmadero> ohallot: nope not a crash one, go ahead and report, make sure you put Windows XP in your comment....unfortunately we don't have many testers/developers running XP any more
18:28:37 <jmadero> so it's a bit tough to confirm
19:26:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how do I put in textbox and type in the text
19:31:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59479] [PERSONAS] Crash while changing persona
19:57:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Using Unoconv to convert .xls to .xlsx on Centos 6.3
20:06:35 <jmadero_> ohallot: do you happen to have bibisect set up ?
20:07:26 <jmadero_> Sweetshark: my 3.6 bibisect is still messed up, skip does nothing, oldest works, anything past that results in error
20:12:36 <jmadero_> jorendc: hey
20:12:43 <jmadero_> do you have 3.6 bibisect working correctly?
20:19:26 <jorendc> hi jmadero_ (sorry, was a while gone)
20:19:46 <jorendc> euh ... 3.6 version ... that's included in the 4.0...
20:19:47 <jorendc> isn't it?
20:20:06 <jorendc> or do you mean the '3.6version' one?
20:20:18 <jorendc> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions
20:20:25 <jorendc> because I have 4.0 downloaded and installed
20:31:35 <ohallot> jmadero_: I am not exactly a developer, and although I am told bibisect does miracles, I don't have all the time I need to set it up.
20:31:55 <jorendc> ohallot: no setuptime needed...
20:32:01 <jorendc> just download the package :p
20:32:06 <jorendc> unpack it ...
20:32:10 <jorendc> and you're ready to go
20:32:32 <jorendc> (ok, downloading and unpacking does require some time :p)
20:32:40 <ohallot> jorendc: OK noted. In my TODO list. :-)
20:33:02 <jorendc> ohallot: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions
20:33:21 <jorendc> in the column "download link" I advice you to download 4.0
20:33:50 <jorendc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA88flop4MM
20:33:51 <IZBot> YouTube - Bisecting - LibreOffice by: Florian Reisinger - 10:38
20:34:04 <jorendc> and that's a good video (it's also mentioned on that wiki page)
20:46:05 <ohallot> jorendc: thanks.
20:46:29 <jorendc> you're welcome :)
21:10:35 <jorendc> dangit ... internet is offline here :p ... I'm now tethering with my cellphone xD
21:10:53 * jorendc praise the one who invented 3G
21:10:55 * ertai_NL kicks belgacom
21:11:03 <jorendc> ertai_NL: telenet :p
21:11:14 <jorendc> 1 pot nat
21:11:20 <ertai_NL> ah.. I had a nearly 50% chance
21:11:40 <jorendc> haha :') that's a good joke... but it's silly it isn't a joke :p
21:11:41 <jorendc> it's the truth
21:12:07 * jorendc hates Belgian ISP's
21:12:32 * ertai_NL shares the hate
21:28:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Changing Speech Marks || Absolute cell reference shortcut key
21:33:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59481] FILEOPEN: Native MySQL-connector aoo-my-sdbc-1.1.0 didn't work any more with LO 4.0 || [Bug 59483] : grafico desaperece
22:04:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59484] : Dialog endExecute() crash libreoffice
22:12:03 <Sweetshark> jmadero_: what does 'git status' say?
22:13:06 <Sweetshark> jmadero_: a 'rm -rf * && git checkout .' could help maybe.
22:14:16 <jorendc> Sweetshark: I'm sorry to interupt this conversation about git :p... but how can I set my local folder to default (using git)? I had some error logs added to my core/ folder ...
22:15:01 <jorendc> git didn't 'follow' them or would push them... but I don't know how to just 'reset' my whole local folder to default
22:15:27 <jorendc> (a 'git reset --hard origin/master' and a 'git pull -r' didn't help/delete the files)
22:30:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: conditional format disappear
23:00:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Inserting a picture or photo in a libreoffice writer document
23:06:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59487] PDF: Printing PDF from linux fails
23:39:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59488] Sometimes paragraph borders are printed very large, || [Bug 59490] EDITING: Immediate crash when trying to create a spreadsheet
01:11:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59493] Allow exporting configuration files easily and make some kind Configuration repository
02:01:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: sdk: component_writeInfo missing in ure libraries.
02:31:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: font size changes when printing || does libreoffice have a "signature line" feature for obtaining signatures on docs?
04:34:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: calc select number within a specific range formula
06:51:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59500] MIRROR: Incomplete list
07:21:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59504] LibO FILEOPEN dialog with missing "recently opened documents" pulldown
07:51:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59506] FORMATTING: Textbox Colour
08:21:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59508] Unable to modify paths (on Fedora 17 & 18)
09:35:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: TOC for sub level
10:53:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59511] Cells with borders and rotated text are shown wrongly
11:05:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can I make a .pdf consent form that customers can fill in?
11:26:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59512] Cell-Format not properly transferred || [Bug 59513] : /usr/bin/ links are likely placed in wrong package and unversioned link is missing || [Bug 59514] SaveAs dialog gives general I/O error when saving to smb:-mount
12:06:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: input chinese pinyin
13:26:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59515] paste attempt raises 'unknown source' dialog
13:36:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Impress refuses to change the text color from grey
14:06:38 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Translation failure
15:09:46 <jorendc> hi jmadero :)
15:10:08 <jmadero> jorendc: morning
15:10:12 <jorendc> good morning :)
15:16:12 <jmadero> jorendc: how's it going? any tests today?
15:17:00 <jorendc> nops; studying :-)
15:17:04 <jorendc> tomorrow exam :s
15:17:05 <jorendc> pfff
15:17:31 <jorendc> I'm studying 'data communication' ... it's how 'IP' and other protocols work etc
15:17:34 <jorendc> :p
15:17:50 <jmadero> sounds like university classes
15:17:55 <jmadero> this is for high school yes?
15:17:59 <jmadero> or secondary school?
15:18:44 <jorendc> mmh it's quite difficult to explain that
15:18:52 <jmadero> lol
15:18:56 <jorendc> euh...
15:19:39 <jorendc> we have 2 grades of 'high school'; the 'professional' one ... there you'll learn practical things and you study it 3 years
15:20:16 <jorendc> we have also a 'academic' one ... this one is more related to university, and it's not 3 years, but 4 years in total (more theoretical etc)
15:20:27 <jmadero> very interesting, ours is very different
15:20:45 <jorendc> and then we have just the university ... that's 100% theoretical
15:20:49 <jmadero> regardless, I took a lot of "AP" courses in high school but yours sound more difficult
15:20:50 <jmadero> ;)
15:21:12 <jorendc> the 'academic' one is a combination of theory and practics :-) ... and I'm following academic
15:21:19 <jmadero> jorendc: good choice :)
15:21:40 <jorendc> jmadero: yes, but not an easy one :d
15:21:49 <jmadero> jorendc: most things that are worth doing aren't easy
15:21:49 <jorendc> I need to study one more year after this
15:22:00 <jmadero> part of the reason I hate my job is because it's just easy
15:22:20 <jorendc> but when I choose the 'professional' one... I was finished studying this year (june)
15:22:28 <jorendc> jmadero: that's true
15:24:51 <jmadero> jorendc: even with personal life it's like that ;) my wife told me for almost a year she would never date me ;)
15:24:59 <jmadero> made it more interesting lol
15:25:19 <jorendc> haha :'-)
15:25:23 <jorendc> she really did :o?
15:25:52 <jmadero> lol yes, quite annoying lol
15:27:05 <jorendc> naah ...you're now married to her :p... that's 'nice done' :D
15:27:48 <jmadero> haha I suppose so
15:28:09 <jmadero> you see we're back up to 16 bugs (14 without the 2 assigned REOPENED bugs)
15:28:20 <jmadero> any news about that German synonym one
15:28:26 <jorendc> I saw that :-)
15:28:30 * jorendc starting up soffice
15:28:33 <jorendc> jmadero: nops
15:28:37 <jorendc> I'll do now :)
15:28:44 <jmadero> do we know how?
15:29:05 <jorendc> jmadero: I was this noon busy with this patch: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1737/
15:29:13 <jmadero> :)
15:30:56 <jmadero> I'm going to ask developers on the ESC call to help finish these bugs off
15:32:09 <jorendc> good :)
15:32:13 <jorendc> No, I don't know how to
15:32:26 <jorendc> I just set all possible language I can set to german
15:45:24 <jmadero> lol rene is so blunt
15:46:57 <jorendc> yes, he is
15:47:00 <jorendc> the previous time also
15:47:06 <jorendc> I'm done with his ranting
15:48:21 <jorendc> :p
15:48:25 <jorendc> who is he btw ...
15:48:41 <jorendc> can't relate 'rene' to a name I saw passing by (mailbox, gerrit, ...)
15:54:06 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55270
15:54:09 <IZBot> bug 55270: freedesktop.org-Bugzilla major/medium NEW Default method for determining the attachment content mime type is no longer "Auto-detect", but "select from list"
15:54:26 <jorendc> :p there is already a bugreport for that :p
15:54:54 <jmadero> jorendc: you're on the call?
15:55:02 <jmadero> oh from QA call :)
15:55:05 <jmadero> yes we just brought that up
15:55:06 <jmadero> haha
15:55:07 <jmadero> in ESC
15:55:09 <jorendc> no:p
15:55:11 <jorendc> oh nice
15:55:19 <jorendc> I just saw that passing by at the dev-channel
15:55:22 <jmadero> haha
15:55:29 <jorendc> and I thought: oh... lets ping jmadero
15:55:43 <jorendc> but I wasn't awere that's from the ESC call :p
15:55:43 <jmadero> Bjoern is going to get in touch with Tolef
15:56:02 <jorendc> tolef = fdo-administrator?
15:56:59 <jmadero> yeah, he works for FDO
15:57:06 <jmadero> contracted with us
15:59:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59481] FILEOPEN: Linux rpm: Native MySQL-connector aoo-my-sdbc-1.1.0 didn't work any more with LO 4.0 || [Bug 59516] FILEOPEN: Native MySQL-connector couldnt be installed under Windows in LO 4.0 || [Bug 59517] FILEOPEN: Lost all text in particular file (regression)
16:11:08 <jmadero> jorendc: you're caught up with that email about assigned bugs?
16:11:43 <jorendc> jmadero: yes I am
16:12:15 <jmadero> a friend of mine (new developer for LibreOffice, works as a developer professionally)
16:12:19 <jmadero> just brought it up independent of me
16:12:24 <jmadero> she was looking for a bug to work on
16:12:34 <jmadero> and commented on how many are assigned, and I said assigned means almost nothing
16:12:45 <jmadero> and she said that's not good at all, she skipped hundreds of bugs assuming they were being worked on
16:13:18 <jorendc> I understand why she thought that
16:13:31 <jorendc> and I'm happy you shoot this topic to the dev-list
16:13:52 <jorendc> because every 'new' bug who's assigned to somebody ... isn't working on
16:14:08 <jorendc> only the ASSIGNED (!=NEW) one are actually worked on ...
16:14:19 <jorendc> but that isn't the best way to work I think :)
16:14:39 <jorendc> because a bug that's assigned (=email adress in fdo report) will scare of other devs to take a look at it
16:15:35 <jmadero> jorendc: exactly, I think if there isn't a REAL chance it'll be fixed by you in 3-6 months, it shouldn't be assigned
16:16:00 <jorendc> indeed
16:16:20 <jorendc> jmadero: but I propose to 'unassign' all bugs older then 6 months or so ...
16:16:34 <jorendc> that'll maybe clean up a bit
16:16:55 <jmadero> I don't think older than will work
16:17:05 <jmadero> not modified in over 6 months would
16:17:13 <jmadero> because a bug could be 2 years old but assigned yesterday ;)
16:18:19 <jmadero> jorendc: off to work, be back in 20
16:29:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59519] can't save templates || [Bug 59518] EDITING: Insert Footnote/Endnote does nothing. || [Bug 59520] CANNOT DECRYPT ENCRYPTED FILES
16:45:48 <jorendc> welcome back jmadero :)
16:45:52 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
16:47:40 <jmadero> can you give me the word again that I can test german synonyms
16:47:46 <jmadero> want to test 3.6.3.2 to see if it's a regression
16:47:49 <jorendc> jmadero: Probe
16:48:49 <jmadero> same
16:50:07 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=209731&emailtype1=substring&chfieldto=2012-07-17&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=NEW&email1=%20%09%20libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice
16:50:24 <jorendc> jmadero: wait
16:50:26 <jorendc> wrong link
16:50:26 <jmadero> what's that list?
16:50:39 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=209734&emailtype1=notequals&chfieldto=2012-07-17&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=NEW&email1=%20%09%20libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice
16:50:51 <jorendc> 239 bugs that are assigned to someone...
16:50:56 <jorendc> but isn't touched 6 months ago
16:51:17 <jorendc> I mean ... last modified 6 months ago, or older
16:52:19 <jorendc> (and status = NEW)
16:52:54 <jorendc> if you include the ASSIGNED also https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=209737&emailtype1=notequals&chfieldto=2012-07-17&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&email1=%20%09%20libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice
16:53:13 <jorendc> 336 bugs that are NEW/ASSIGNED that aren't touched within 6 months
16:57:52 <jmadero> lol ex CEO here, brb
16:57:53 <jmadero> haha
16:58:13 <jorendc> :p
17:01:13 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=209749&emailtype1=notequals&chfieldto=2012-01-17&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfield=alias&chfield=assigned_to&chfield=cclist_accessible&chfield=component&chfield=everconfirmed&chfield=rep_platform&chfield=op_sys&chfield=priority&chfield=product&chfield=qa_contact&chfield=reporter_accessible&chfield=resolution&chfield=bug_severity&c
17:01:16 <jmadero> 432 > 1 year
17:01:21 <jmadero> assigned or new and assigned to someone
17:02:57 <jmadero> jorendc: that conversation is going to be terrible "push vs. pull"
17:07:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is LibreOffice compatable with Outlook Express 6.0
17:16:19 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry, was away :p
17:16:31 <jorendc> euh, yes ... but I prefer a pull ..
17:17:17 <jorendc> you can't just assign a developer to a bug (except if he ask to) ... I prefer the following method: dev in cc ... if dev will fix it -> assign himself (=pull)
17:17:42 <jorendc> if not ... leave it unassigned and give others the chance to look at it
17:17:44 <jmadero> yes, but as kohei was saying, I think a lot of devs ignore cc'ed messages from FDO
17:18:02 <jmadero> and it still leaves us with a need for a policy to handle those over 500 bugs already assigned
17:18:03 <jorendc> otherwise that's also a problem yes :)
17:18:28 <jmadero> but I think that's their problem ;)
17:18:35 <jmadero> for QA purposes, the current setup is broken
17:20:10 <jmadero> and for development purposes actually, my friend really had no idea what was going on when she looked at FDO
17:24:33 <jorendc> indeed
17:26:11 * jorendc going to eat
17:31:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59520] FILEOPEN password protected document fails with error message
17:43:59 <jmadero> jorendc: I think we're going to have to discuss status' again....
17:44:16 <jmadero> I don't understand when we'll ever use NEEDINFO with the current agreement
17:44:45 <jorendc> I agree with that :)
17:45:19 <jorendc> except when the bug reporter doesn't provide enough information
17:45:29 <jorendc> didn't*
17:45:56 <jorendc> so there will only be a UNCONFIRMED -> NEEDINFO -> UNCONFIRMED change or a UNCONFIRMED -> NEEDINFO -> NEW
17:46:42 <jorendc> because the 'pull' and 'push' thing that's discussed in dev-list, is only applicable when the bug is in status NEW (in normal circumstances
17:47:07 <jorendc> so a NEEDINFO is only used when the bug isn't set to NEW ...
17:49:20 <jorendc_eat> going to eat a bit further
17:49:22 <jorendc_eat> will be right back
17:58:13 <jorendc_eat> back :)
17:58:50 <jorendc> jmadero: I can't be present on the call tomorrow ...
17:58:53 <jorendc> exam :(
17:59:07 <jmadero> it's not tomorrow :)
17:59:09 <jmadero> bi-weekly
17:59:16 <jorendc> ooh ok :d
17:59:45 <jorendc> so I need to work on the stats page and it need to be done next week friday :p?
18:00:16 <jmadero> no way :)
18:00:19 <jmadero> we'll just ask for an update
18:00:32 <jmadero> I think priority is
18:00:48 <jmadero> keeping bugs list down
18:01:05 <jmadero> just so you know I'm pulling bugs daily to my local machine, so I can make stats after the fact
18:01:08 <jmadero> going to pull right now actually
18:01:44 <jorendc> ok :)
18:01:47 <jmadero> you want the script so you can pull ?
18:02:00 <jorendc> it's Linux only?
18:02:01 <jmadero> it's quite straight forward, then you just run the script every day, we can worry about what to do with the stats later
18:02:04 <jmadero> yeah
18:02:16 <jorendc> mmh, I think I can't pull as much you can...
18:02:21 <jorendc> I'm not daily on Ubuntu
18:02:36 <jorendc> (I'm now ... but most of the time I'm normally using my mac)
18:03:17 <jmadero> sounds good
18:03:22 <jmadero> if you ever want the raw data I can send it your way zipped
18:04:13 <jorendc> oh yeah, please :-). I'll have a look :D
18:06:17 <jorendc> you have now stats for about 7 days?
18:06:55 <jmadero> ...unfortunately no, I started from scratch two days ago when I realized my query was wrong
18:07:03 <jmadero> it wasn't as comprehensive as I wanted
18:07:12 <jmadero> now it is everything
18:07:39 <jmadero> I have 3 days now
18:07:44 <jmadero> each file is 5 megs, haha
18:08:03 <jorendc> wow :o
18:08:39 <jorendc> you pull ALL the bugs :p?
18:08:56 <jmadero> yup, every single one, which I have to download in 4 groups
18:08:57 <jmadero> haha
18:09:01 <jmadero> then I merge them
18:09:07 <jorendc> euh... LOL :d
18:09:08 <jmadero> nice, the zip is only 800 kb for all 3
18:09:08 <jmadero> sending now
18:09:18 <jmadero> the script merges them automatically ;)
18:09:33 <jorendc> lol, a 16% compression :p
18:09:47 <jmadero> more than that 15 megs became 700 kb
18:09:47 <jmadero> haha
18:09:56 <jorendc> oh yeah, 15 :D
18:10:07 <jorendc> 5% compression xD
18:11:30 <jorendc> mmh, 7Z isn't a standard file format on linux :s?
18:12:42 <jmadero> no
18:12:54 <jorendc> mmh, altough it's quite easy :p
18:13:03 <jorendc> thanks to the software centre
18:13:06 <jorendc> center*
18:13:33 <jmadero> I hate the software center ;)
18:13:37 <jmadero> I use synaptic or command line
18:14:04 <jorendc> I use the software center when I can :p
18:14:15 <jorendc> it can't be easier for a linux-noob like me
18:14:20 <jorendc> just 'click the button'
18:14:20 <jorendc> :D
18:14:30 <jmadero> haha synaptic is like that also
18:14:32 <jmadero> just a lot faster
18:14:46 <jmadero> it doesn't group things like the software center does, and isn't as "pretty"
18:15:08 <jorendc> I didn't searched in the software center window :p
18:15:08 <jorendc> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/p7zip-full/
18:15:13 <jorendc> I just clicked on the link
18:15:17 <jorendc> and then click on 'download' :p
18:15:24 <jorendc> (or install or something like that)
18:16:13 <jorendc> that's quite a lot of entry's
18:16:23 <jorendc> how would you like to handle that list :p?
18:17:04 <jorendc> I mean ... you need another script that opens all files, checks how many bugs are marked as ASSIGNED, NEW, NEEDINFO, RESOLVED, ...
18:17:15 <jmadero> yes I haven't made it to that point ;)
18:17:19 <jmadero> I figured right now it's just a snapshot
18:17:29 <jmadero> so every Monday or something we can just open that file and update the current QA site
18:17:38 <jmadero> I'm thinking of writing a really sweet macro that summarizes
18:17:42 <jmadero> but that's long term thinking :)
18:17:57 <jmadero> on the QA stats page we should add a "QA Stats that would be nice to have" section
18:18:04 <jmadero> and then just start a list, slowly we can start doing those stats
18:18:16 <jmadero> get the list together first, instead of worrying about "how would we accomplish that"
18:19:41 <jorendc> I agree :)
18:21:34 <jorendc> jmadero: it's possible to write a macro that opens and close multiple files?
18:21:44 <jorendc> (I'm absolutely not familiar with macro stuff)
18:28:56 <jmadero> jorendc: not sure, but I know it's possible to rigth a macro that will summarize data and create charts once the data is on the same document
18:29:07 <jmadero> might require python to actually merge the documents
18:29:13 <jmadero> ....I just came up with an idea I think ;)
18:29:38 <jmadero> I mean basically I just need to look at the xml data, and then a python script can do that for me
18:30:16 <jmadero> jorendc: brilliant, thanks for the idea :)
18:30:32 <jorendc> :p
18:30:58 <jorendc> and maybe you can store the info you gathered in another file ...
18:31:15 <jorendc> so when you didn't run that script for a while, it just look what's the last time he runned
18:31:33 <jorendc> and then continue with the other files that aren't counted (NEW, ASSIGNED, ...) yet
18:31:50 <jmadero> yes, but I'd like to put the script on our server and have it pull every day same time
18:31:51 <jmadero> without fail
18:32:04 <jorendc> oh, even better :D
18:33:56 <jorendc> jmadero: you're pulling the bugs from OOo also?
18:34:07 <jmadero> not yet, I'd like to though
18:35:14 <jorendc> jmadero: ok, but that'll result in a huge amounth of data
18:35:27 <jorendc> *quantity
18:35:48 <jorendc> 15 000 bugs = 15 Mb
18:36:14 <jorendc> I don't know how many bugs there are on the OOo bugzilla ... but I assume it's even more ...
18:36:20 <jorendc> and that every day
18:36:38 <jorendc> so we need to store the data only for a while or so
18:37:31 <jorendc> if you assume that the bugzilla of OOo has 5 times more bugs then LO ...
18:37:54 <jorendc> that's 6 x 15 = 90 Mb ... each day on raw data
18:38:11 <jorendc> 2.7Gb for a month ...
18:38:39 <jorendc> and the number of bugs doesn't go down :p ... so every day more and more data
18:39:19 <jorendc> 32.4Gb for a whole year ... if my assumptions are 'good' ... and the number of bugs doesn't increase
18:39:38 <jorendc> I think that's 32.4Gb of rubish then :p
18:39:50 <jmadero> haha okay well can you do me a favor
18:39:57 <jorendc> (only the extracted output is valuable)
18:39:58 <jmadero> have you used AOO's bug thing?
18:40:04 <jorendc> nops :p
18:40:06 <jorendc> didn't
18:40:08 <jmadero> aw damn
18:40:08 <jmadero> haha
18:41:06 <jmadero> wth, Thunderbird isn't storing my sent mail right
18:48:16 <jmadero> jorendc: how does this look, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda#Quality_Assurance_Conference_Call
18:49:14 <jorendc> jmadero: Update QA and QA-Team (Joel & Jorien)
18:49:21 <jorendc> I think it's 'Joren' :)
18:49:41 <jmadero> haha my mistake! (sorry!)
18:49:45 <jmadero> (how do you say sorry)
18:49:58 <jorendc> sorry :)
18:50:06 <jorendc> but no need to sorry :D
18:50:12 <jmadero> fixed
18:50:18 <jorendc> seems very good
18:50:44 <jmadero> seems very long ;)
18:52:08 <jorendc> :p that doesn't matter
18:52:23 <jorendc> many things to do :D
18:52:45 <jmadero> yeah, those pending items need taken care of
18:53:15 <jmadero> ertai_NL: you around?
18:54:25 <jmadero> moggi: ping
18:55:13 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes
18:55:16 <ertai_NL> a bit
18:55:50 <jmadero> ertai_NL: just a real quick question, any update on French BSA?
18:56:19 <ertai_NL> haven't had the time yet
18:56:54 <jmadero> ertai_NL: perfect, just wantd an update, if there are any updates you mind cc'ing me ?
18:57:01 <jmadero> unless you can make the QA call
18:57:05 <jmadero> (I'll give the update otherwise)
19:03:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59523] PRINTING: Fail to print
19:06:12 <jmadero> jorendc: I am pulling AOO data now ;)
19:07:34 <jmadero> I'm looking forward to writing a cool python thing that just automates everything
19:09:15 <jorendc> :D
19:09:57 <jorendc> I'm looking forward to see how many bugs there are ... :p
19:10:17 <jorendc> and how the evolution is AOO vs Lo
19:10:27 <jorendc> but I was thinking of something very bad/nasty ...
19:10:53 <jorendc> the bugs that are reported in AOO ... we also can try to reproduce using LO ...
19:11:14 <jorendc> but we can't now (too few QA members)
19:11:50 <jorendc> because it's a great possibility that we inherit some very nasty bugs from AOO
19:12:35 <jmadero> jorendc: haha let's pretend you didn't say that for now
19:12:47 <jorendc> xD no I didn't
19:12:49 <jmadero> I'm up to 15k bugs on AOO
19:13:08 <jorendc> and it'll continu?
19:13:11 <jorendc> or it stops at 15K?
19:13:16 <jmadero> stops at 10k
19:13:17 <jmadero> I'm doing in groups
19:13:28 <jmadero> we use the same framework for bug tracking
19:13:35 <jmadero> which has the inherit limitation of 10k bugs shown in query
19:13:46 <jorendc> oh ok; but there are more then 15K bugs in AOO bugzilla I suppose :p
19:13:55 <jmadero> yes I think closer to 20k
19:14:15 <jmadero> I'm up to 2008
19:14:41 <jorendc> that mean ... in 2 years we almost pass the amount of bugs filed for AOO
19:15:02 <jorendc> (I'm not sure that's a good thing or a bad thing ... but that mean we have a very active community/reporters
19:22:55 <jmadero> hm, dangit I copied wrong links
19:23:22 <jorendc> lol :p
19:23:32 <jmadero> didn't copy csv link...starting over
19:28:49 <jorendc> jmadero: how long does it take to pull all data for 1 day?
19:29:04 <jmadero> 30 seconds
19:29:35 <jorendc> not bad :D
19:29:43 <jmadero> not at all, and that might be an over estimate
19:29:46 <jmadero> maybe more like 15 seconds :)
19:29:57 <jmadero> so it pulls the data, merges the data and sorts the data
19:31:05 <jorendc> wow :)
19:34:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59520] FILEOPEN password protected document created with 3.6.2.2 fails with error message
19:43:14 <jorendc> jmadero: so 20k bugs reported on AOO .. in 5 years ... 15k bugs reported on LO ... in 2.5 years?
20:02:51 <jmadero> jorendc: cut out for some reason, script is complete, pulls AOO and LibreOffice
20:03:00 <jorendc> nice :)
20:03:05 <jorendc> [20:33] <jorendc> jmadero: so 20k bugs reported on AOO .. in 5 years ... 15k bugs reported on LO ... in 2.5 years?
20:03:23 <moggi> jmadero: pong
20:03:29 <jmadero> moggi: hey
20:03:43 <jmadero> moggi: so, I just wanted a bit of advice about python and fdo
20:03:59 <jmadero> hypothetically I could pull every bug, every day and create a ods out of the data?
20:04:00 <moggi> jorendc: that sounds strange, AOO is at bug number 120000 after 12 years
20:04:14 <jmadero> moggi: I'm pulling right now, I'll have a number in 30 seconds
20:04:29 <jorendc> moggi: oh ok :-)
20:04:31 <moggi> jmadero: sure
20:04:33 <jorendc> I absolutely don't know that
20:04:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59524] FILESAVE: "Save with password" not available in xlsx format || [Bug 59525] EDITING: The error bar is out of graph
20:04:54 <jmadero> moggi: sure to my question?
20:05:38 <jmadero> jorendc: I lied, my pull isn't fully functional yet
20:06:33 <jmadero> trying again
20:06:57 <jmadero> moggi: how about something even better, could I pull every day and have a new sheet within a single document created?
20:07:20 <moggi> jmadero: yes, it is just more work to create the script
20:07:49 <jmadero> moggi: knowing my computer skills (lack there of) could I do such a thing?
20:07:53 <jmadero> basically how hard is it
20:08:02 <jmadero> I'm thinking moztrap meets stats type of thing
20:08:10 <jmadero> automating our entire stats collection
20:08:50 <moggi> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/bin/get-bugzilla-attachments-by-mimetype is our only script that is connecting to bugzilla through python
20:09:40 <moggi> jmadero: but note that this script does connect to many more bugzilla instances than you need
20:09:45 <jmadero> moggi: perfect, at least a start, what would be ideal is that we could pull daily and store it on the TDF server
20:09:53 <jmadero> then we could automate something that creates stats from that data
20:10:03 <jmadero> we'd have every bug, every day along with all their details
20:10:14 <jmadero> we could track things like "how many bugs went from UNCONFIRMED to NEW on X day"
20:10:33 <jmadero> or how many bugs went from NEW to RESOLVED - FIXED (probably more useful)
20:11:10 <jmadero> jorendc: looks like AOO has about 26k bugs
20:11:14 <moggi> jmadero: that should be no problem, we already have the git bugzilla script running on gimli
20:11:24 <jmadero> moggi: you're making my day
20:11:34 <jmadero> it'd be awesome if NO ONE had to manually make stats stuff any more
20:11:47 <jmadero> moggi: I'd pull from AOO bug tracker as well
20:11:53 <jmadero> for comparison stats (since we like that kind of thing)
20:11:54 <jmadero> :)
20:13:44 <jmadero> moggi: could you "mentor" me if I have questions along the way?
20:13:52 <jmadero> I'll try to do the work, but I'm sure I'll have questions
20:14:20 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^ want to help me? haha
20:15:00 <jorendc> to?
20:15:10 <jorendc> for the script to pull every day :p?
20:15:17 <jmadero> and make our stats
20:15:20 <jmadero> automate the entire process
20:15:24 <jmadero> with python
20:15:37 <jmadero> moggi: here is currently how I'm pulling the data http://pastebin.com/Rjc99myE
20:15:42 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^ also
20:16:42 <jorendc> jmadero: I will try to :D
20:16:45 <jorendc> put can't promise anything
20:16:52 <jorendc> I'm not that familiar with python :s
20:16:58 <jmadero> neither can I, I just hate manually doing anything that can be automated
20:17:19 <jorendc> I agree to that :D
20:17:26 <jmadero> so first thing is to pull the data and get it all into a single odt file (two I suppose, one for AOO one for LibreOffice)
20:17:32 <jmadero> on my list of to do's
20:17:34 <moggi> jmadero: start with a copy of the existing script and remove everything that is unnecessary for your script
20:17:35 <jmadero> I want to quit the forum admin stuff
20:17:51 <jmadero> just dont have the time
20:17:58 <jorendc> jmadero: what type of file is used to store the data?
20:18:00 <jorendc> .xml?
20:18:15 <moggi> jmadero: putting the data into an odf document is trickier but if everything fails you can use pyuno + libreoffice
20:18:16 <jmadero> right now it is csv, it will create a ods according to what moggi said
20:18:17 <jmadero> python can do that
20:18:42 <jorendc> jmadero: http://docs.python.org/2/library/csv.html
20:18:48 <jmadero> moggi: I'll look through that file and strip it down
20:19:02 <jmadero> probably be a week or so before I have any progress, but if I have questions do you mind if I ping you about it?
20:20:20 <moggi> jmadero: well I know only a bit about this script
20:20:46 <jmadero> moggi: any suggestions on who might be able to assist in turning this into a functining product?
20:21:02 <moggi> I'm only responsible for git bugzilla and that is written in perl and not in python
20:21:15 <moggi> well you might ask caolan but he is normally busy
20:21:25 <moggi> he wrote this python script
20:21:36 <jmadero> I'll ping him and ask, I hope to do most of the work myself, just looking for a mentor
20:22:58 <jmadero> so I can run tihs python script from within my libo folder?
20:26:47 <jorendc> jmadero: yes
20:27:05 <jorendc> It'll make seperate folder for each file type
20:27:12 <jorendc> do a folder for 'doc' a folder for 'ods'
20:27:31 <jmadero> jorendc: just did it
20:27:34 <jmadero> quite handy
20:27:41 <jmadero> okay I think I can start with editing this then
20:27:46 <jmadero> I'm stoked, I like these kinds of projects
20:27:51 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/bin/get-bugzilla-attachments-by-mimetype#233
20:27:58 <jorendc> make sure you didn't select ALL files
20:28:09 <jmadero> I did all :)
20:28:12 <jmadero> haha but then I quit it
20:28:16 <jorendc> ... I mean ... this script download ALL files that are in attachment :p
20:28:21 <jmadero> yeah I saw that
20:28:37 <jmadero> I see an end of manual stats days
20:28:50 <jorendc> I once downloaded all 'ods', 'odt', 'docx' and 'doc' files ... I think that took me 5 houres or so :p
20:29:12 <jmadero> jorendc: lol oops
20:29:19 <jorendc> but I think it's better to run 4  scripts in parallel
20:29:29 <jorendc> 1 script that downloads all ods, 1 all docx
20:29:51 <jorendc> or even better: 1 script that download all ods from AOO, 1 script ods from FDO ... etc
20:29:52 <jorendc> :)
20:30:20 <jorendc> but ... I don't think we need that feature (to download all attachments)
20:34:02 <jmadero> yeah we do
20:34:06 <jmadero> I'm looking at the code now
20:34:26 <jmadero> thinking of what order I need to do things, I think I need to start with what I have now but in python instead of bash
20:34:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59524] Allow FILESAVE with password for xlsx and other not LibreOffice XML-based formats || [Bug 59526] libcdr: Stretched rectangle fault import
20:35:30 <jorendc> jmadero: but maybe it's more easier to run that bash script first ... and then just analyse the data with python ...
20:36:01 <jorendc> I think you can run bash scripts in python...
20:36:31 <jorendc> so first run python bashscript, then analyse data with python and add these stats to an existing stats file
20:36:50 <jmadero> jorendc: that could be true
20:38:41 <jmadero> moggi: so with pyuno I can easily convert the csv's that I currently have to a sheet in a "master" document?
20:39:33 <moggi> jmadero: pyuno is the python language binding of UNO
20:39:57 <moggi> so you have full control over libreoffice
20:40:17 <jmadero> is there decent documentation of how to use it?
20:40:23 <jmadero> (feels like I'm getting myself in too deep)
20:41:26 <jorendc> jmadero: https://www.openoffice.org/udk/python/python-bridge.html
20:41:38 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
20:48:28 <jorendc> moggi: UNO related question: is it possible to call a uno-function also in c++?
20:55:46 <jorendc> or do I need the other one com::sun::star::svx::ExitFindbarToolboxController for example?
21:05:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59528] libcdr: cdr import faulty -> postition of the circles wrong || [Bug 59529] libcdr: cdr import faulty -> fill pattern error
21:08:44 <jmadero> jorendc: back up to 21 bugs
21:10:51 <jorendc> pfff
21:11:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer 3.6.4.3 crashing opening .odt file
21:12:24 <jmadero> I just half bailed on forums
21:12:35 <jmadero> I told Marc.....don't wait for responses from me, I'm overloaded
21:12:38 <jmadero> (feels guilty)
21:16:52 <jorendc> I don't get it jmadero
21:16:56 <jorendc> you told marc what :p?
21:17:06 <jmadero> he's leading the push for our upcoming forums
21:17:13 <jmadero> I am an admin of that process
21:17:22 <jmadero> but, I just am overloaded, so I told him that basically
21:19:18 <jorendc> ooh ok :)
21:19:22 <jorendc> what kind of forums?
21:20:50 <jorendc> mmmh, I still hate git
21:21:16 <jorendc> I don't know how to change my local folders to the actual one...
21:21:25 <jorendc> I already did git reset --hard origin/master
21:21:31 <jorendc> but that didn't solve anything
21:23:05 <jmadero> jorendc: you're getting an error?
21:23:10 <jorendc> No
21:23:19 <jorendc> I just can't get rid of the changes I made :s
21:23:53 <jorendc> ok, lets delete my core folder completly :p
21:24:03 <jmadero> lol whaat
21:24:04 <jmadero> don't do that
21:24:22 <jmadero> git -f checkout I think
21:24:56 <jmadero> git checkout -f
21:25:50 <jorendc> nah :p
21:25:56 <jorendc> no need for that xD
21:26:00 <jorendc> I just hate git
21:26:17 <jorendc> (I mean, to late :D )
21:26:39 <jmadero> lol
21:26:41 <jmadero> I hate pyuno already
21:26:50 <jorendc> haha :p
21:27:02 <jorendc> I don't like it either
21:27:11 <jmadero> ctx = resolver.resolve( "uno:socket,host=localhost,port=2002;urp;StarOffice.ComponentContext" ) __main__.NoConnectException: Connector : couldn't connect to socket (Success)
21:27:47 <jorendc> lol ... couldn't connect to socket ... but it's a success xD
21:27:59 <jorendc> "Oh, I'm failing" -> Success!
21:28:42 <jorendc> jmadero: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=70223
21:31:03 <jmadero> no luck
21:32:42 <jmadero> sob
21:36:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59530] Writer's doc import and export fails to support comments attached to ranges
21:38:51 <jmadero> ctx = resolver.resolve("uno:pipe,name=pypipe;urp;StarOffice.ComponentContext")  __main__.NoConnectException: Connector : couldn't connect to pipe pypipe(9)
21:44:07 <jorendc> I have absolute no knowledge of this kind of things
21:44:46 <jmadero> ditto....unfortunately ;)
21:53:38 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59428
21:53:41 <IZBot> bug 59428: LibreOffice-Writer blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED Broken mirrored page layout
21:53:51 <jorendc> michael stahl just send a patch to resolve it
21:54:02 <jorendc> but it isn't confirmed yet
21:54:03 <jorendc> ...
21:54:53 <jmadero> lol mark it as assigned to Mr. Stahl
21:55:02 <jmadero> love when devs help us out with QA work ;)
21:55:08 <jorendc> :)
21:55:37 <jorendc> jmadero: and set it to NEW?
21:55:54 <jmadero> ASSIGNED
21:55:57 <markit> hi, in our fabolous bugtracker, what kind of attachment has to be choosed if one adds a .odt file?
21:56:11 <jmadero> markit: do auto-detect
21:56:12 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59488  has wrong mime
21:56:17 <IZBot> bug 59488: LibreOffice-Writer major/medium UNCONFIRMED Sometimes paragraph borders are printed very large,
21:56:19 <jmadero> ah you have to change one
21:56:23 <markit> jmadero: hi :) I've to edit the type,
21:56:29 <jmadero> jorendc: is better at that kind of stuff ^^
21:56:47 <jmadero> markit: we are changing default to auto-detect, should be much less mime type errors
21:57:01 <markit> jmadero: only if autodetect works ;P
21:57:16 <jmadero> it usually does
21:57:21 <jmadero> I use it for everything, hasn't failed me
21:57:31 <jmadero> markit: do you happen to have experience with pyuno?
21:57:47 <markit> jmadero: no unfortunately
21:57:47 <jorendc> markit: the correct mime type for odt is application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text
21:57:55 <markit> jorendc: thanks a lot
21:57:56 <jmadero> jorendc: brilliant :)
21:58:05 <jorendc> :) thanks to DuckDuckGo xD
21:58:26 <jorendc> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mime+type+odt
22:02:52 <markit> mmm looks good under GNU/Linux, the reporter uses M$crap though... time to fire up the vm (snapshot) and install libo sigh
22:05:38 <jorendc> :p
22:08:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59531] Can't set page styles > layout settings > format correctly (in German translation)
22:26:34 <markit> I've seen many reports about different layout in 4.0, probably font remapping when the correct font is not available has been changed / is different
22:27:52 <jorendc> mmh
22:28:00 <jorendc> maybe link them all together via 'See also'?
22:28:46 <jorendc> (markit)
22:29:38 <markit> I'm puzzled, I've verified and the font used is probably from LiBo, so is also in WinXP
22:30:07 <markit> jorendc: do you remember a user that filed 4-5 bugs about pdf differences?
22:30:53 <jorendc> yeps
22:30:59 <jorendc> diffpdf :p
22:31:22 <jorendc> I think jmadero also remember the user :D
22:31:42 <jmadero> yes...
22:31:46 <jmadero> and the ongoing user discussion
22:31:46 <jorendc> :'-)
22:31:54 <jmadero> about how every single thing pdfdiff finds report as a new bug
22:32:09 <jmadero> and the irritation that several QA people have shown about it
22:32:29 <jorendc> I agree with the irritation :D
22:34:10 <markit> well, how can I do now? I don't see the issue reported but a different one, lol
22:34:25 <markit> I post my reply and then you judge
22:35:15 <markit> mmm don't understand if the reporter says the issue is while printing
22:35:20 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59488
22:35:22 <IZBot> bug 59488: LibreOffice-Writer major/medium UNCONFIRMED Sometimes paragraph borders are printed very large,
22:36:20 <jorendc> I think diffpdf is a powerful tool, and very usable ... but don't make a bug of every fart it makes
22:36:52 <jorendc> I saw him reporting a bug against a missing dot in the table of contents ...
22:37:14 <markit> lol, yep
22:37:24 <jorendc> I couldn't reproduce that ... but it where 47 dots in 4.0RC1 vs 48 dots in 3.6.4.3
22:37:25 <markit> but indeed libo4 seems to behave differently
22:37:45 <jorendc> and I don't know ... not every 'warning' of diffpdf is a bug
22:37:58 <jorendc> how do you know it's a better behavior to have 47 dots and not 48 dots?
22:38:02 <jorendc> maybe it was a 'bug' :p
22:38:04 <markit> sometime that little difference makes a line wrap earlier, and the text end in a new page, and then numeration is different...
22:38:20 <jmadero> markit: I only saw that behavior with toc
22:38:22 <jmadero> which wouldn't wrap
22:38:24 <jorendc> markit: it didn't change the formatting
22:38:45 <jorendc> (table of contents ... all summerized one by one :p)
22:38:50 <markit> some bugs werea bout a word wrapping earlier, I do remember it
22:38:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59532] PRINTING: slide print to pdf fails in calc and slide from 3.6.4 can't reade 4.0.01
22:39:02 <jmadero> if I saw an example where it did indeed change formatting I'd say bug
22:39:08 <jmadero> as of now I've only seen it where it doesn't affect formatting at all
22:39:22 <jorendc> indeed
22:39:23 <markit> jmadero: I'll find later, now busy with attachments ;P
22:39:23 <jmadero> jorendc: I hate pyuno
22:39:41 <jmadero> I'm better as a manager than an implementer with comp sci stuff ;)
22:39:44 <jorendc> jmadero: don't mind ... I hate it too :p
22:39:50 <jmadero> come up with the idea and pawn it off onto someone else
22:39:52 <markit> jmadero: I would love have java dropped, starbasic M$crap copatible, and python on steroids ;P
22:39:59 <jorendc> haha :D
22:40:18 <jmadero> I'm sure someone else coudl do this in 10 minutes
22:40:21 <jmadero> for me it'll be 10 years
22:40:28 <jorendc> m$crap ... just ignore that OS :D
22:41:16 <markit> you are slave of a worse i$crap, remember ;P
22:41:29 <markit> btw, a pdf attachment is of type... automatic?
22:41:49 <jorendc> markit: I remember :-) but that i$crap do work ... m$crap don't :D
22:42:03 <jorendc> application/pdf
22:42:03 <markit> GNU does not either
22:42:19 <markit> ok, autodetect did a good job
22:42:24 <jorendc> :)
22:43:36 <markit> yes, PLEASE put application/pdf as default
22:43:48 <markit> (second attachment, I forgot it and is plain/text, sigh)
22:43:57 <jorendc> lol:)
22:44:02 <jorendc> I hope that'll be fixed soon
22:44:05 <jorendc> VERY soon
22:49:23 <markit> well, "one triage a day keeps the doctor away"
22:49:30 <markit> I've  no more time today, sorry
22:49:49 <jmadero> markit: thanks!
22:49:52 <markit> btw, tomorrow I've to go to the dentist... painful and expensive, the worst combination
22:49:54 <jorendc> haha :D nice one markit :D
22:50:00 <jmadero> if we had 10-15 people doing 1 a day we'd be in great shape
22:50:03 <jorendc> ow :s
22:50:06 <jorendc> good luck with that
22:50:11 <jmadero> markit: no one likes the dentist, good luck
22:50:17 <markit> jmadero: yep, the problem is really that we are 3
22:50:20 <jmadero> jorendc: have you by chance invited other people at your school?
22:50:24 <markit> or at least the other 12 hide when I enter ;P
22:50:25 <jmadero> to participate?
22:50:32 <jmadero> markit: maybe 4 on a good day ;)
22:50:36 <jorendc> mmh, I don't have that chance :p
22:50:41 <markit> jorendc: how was the exam?
22:50:46 <jmadero> jorendc: if you have any colleagues that might be able to join
22:50:46 <jorendc> I already tried to get them used to LibreOffice
22:50:56 <jorendc> but they wouldn't
22:51:00 <jorendc> markit: good so far
22:51:07 <markit> :)
22:51:14 <jorendc> 3 done ... I think I need to redo 1 ...
22:51:17 <jorendc> tomorrow next :D
22:51:35 <jorendc> so, if you're at the dentist and suffer a lot... you don't suffer like me :D
22:51:37 <markit> oh, you'd better leave soon and go back to your books
22:51:41 <markit> hahaha
22:51:43 <jorendc> :D
22:51:48 <jorendc> yes I'll
22:51:50 <jmadero> markit: terrible advice
22:51:51 <jmadero> ;)
22:51:53 <markit> I'll think about you as consolation tomorrow ;P
22:52:06 <jorendc> ;-) thanks
22:52:19 <jorendc> I only need to see 7 more pages
22:52:39 <jorendc> then I'm going to watch a bit of television (didn't see anything the past 3 weeks)
22:52:43 <jorendc> and then I'm going to bed :d
22:53:37 <markit> I've the feeling that convince people to use LiBo is a dead end
22:53:53 <jorendc> markit: not only to Libo ... also to Linux
22:53:58 <markit> but don't want to spread depression, lol
22:54:36 <jorendc> to convince them you need a PERFECT doc import/export filter ... so they don't 'lose' any information
22:54:38 <markit> jorendc: with GNU/Linux you have a marginal advantage... has no virus and so works better than CrapOS
22:54:48 <markit> with LiBo you have something that works worse, we have to admit
22:54:56 <jorendc> I agree with that :p
22:55:10 <markit> and often too comples in a stupid manner
22:55:16 <jorendc> yeps ... and the goal is to make it as good as we can :-)
22:55:19 <markit> like the key mapping I mentioned you time ago
22:55:25 <jorendc> I remember that :p
22:55:33 <jorendc> oh yeah
22:55:55 <jorendc> I don't know I mentioned yet
22:55:56 <markit> will never be "as good as" and M$pirated_office is as cheap as LiBo
22:56:10 <jmadero> markit: I think we can be better but we need a lot of help
22:56:11 <jorendc> I added a close button to the findbar + I'm now make it possible to delete multiple styles at once
22:56:22 <jmadero> I have a few ideas to get more devs
22:56:30 <markit> jorendc: your first commit???
22:56:31 <jmadero> next big project is to try to attach ourselves to a few universities
22:56:40 <jmadero> get students to get grades for helping us
22:56:42 <jmadero> everyone wins
22:56:51 <jorendc> it'll be a great advantage for Libo and AOO etc that M$ Office just can handle openfileformats ...
22:56:52 <markit> jmadero: more devs, but most important a focused direction
22:56:53 <jorendc> markit: yes :D
22:57:06 <markit> not "we dev what we like and how we like regardless of logic and users"
22:57:14 <markit> jorendc: wow, my compliments!!!
22:57:16 <jmadero> markit: yes, we need to find the key balance to structure and democratic principles
22:57:17 <jmadero> it is tough
22:57:24 <jorendc> thanks markit :D
22:57:33 <markit> the flip of the coin is... that if I will try you will have to help me start ;P
22:57:37 <jorendc> Maybe on a day I can fix the key bindings for you ;-)
22:57:54 <markit> jorendc: that would be GREAT, some schoold depend on it
22:57:59 <jorendc> markit: are you good in 'logics'?
22:58:09 <jorendc> I mean ... thinking logical
22:58:10 <markit> and you know how important is expose children to "something different" ;P
22:58:19 <jorendc> indeed :-)
22:58:40 <jorendc> I'll keep that in mind... a bunch of students are hunting after me to try to fix it :D
22:58:45 <markit> jorendc: mmmm well, normal logic yes, formal one no, I did an exam long time ago (20 years?)
22:59:18 <markit> jorendc: some nice looking 20 years old female students will be very gratefull if you fix it
22:59:22 <jorendc> markit: if you can think logic and see consistent behaviors ... you're at the same level as me :p
22:59:24 <markit> (just joking ;PPP)
22:59:30 <jorendc> haha :p
22:59:49 <jorendc> I don't think my girlfriend would laugh when she saw that :D
22:59:55 <markit> they are young children, 6-10 years , nothing that hurts... but they are emh.. > 100 ;P
23:00:01 <markit> they scream really loud ;P
23:00:15 <jorendc> mmh 1 child can't make many damage (ear damage :D )
23:00:18 <markit> jorendc: don't mention in the git commit then ;P
23:00:21 <jorendc> but >100 ... mmmh
23:00:32 <jorendc> haha :D
23:00:41 <markit> ok, too much joke, hope channel is not logged in some public place
23:01:06 <markit> [23:47] <jmadero> markit: yes, we need to find the key balance to structure and democratic principles
23:01:06 <jorendc> git commit -a -m "for all the beautiful 20 year old girls who're waiting for this features.... my living adress is : xxx ; phone number: xxx
23:01:08 <jorendc> :p
23:01:08 <markit> indeed
23:01:28 <markit> but I think is a paramount goal
23:01:53 <markit> jmadero: also your determination against "abandoned" or "old" bugs is very important OMHO
23:02:53 <markit> ok, sleep time, I've a MacBook of a friend of my older child to format and install Kubuntu in
23:03:15 <markit> see you tomorrow, if I will survive the new dentist
23:09:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59533] MySQL connector SDBC installation crashes
23:09:20 <jmadero> jorendc: are you able to load this http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oooforum.org%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.phtml%3Ft%3D34759&ei=-n74UJ3kINGl2AXlzIHgAw&usg=AFQjCNG4SsCWvC6Y-7bN711ulefiQ5pSNw&sig2=0j1s3VQVKgCMpTwQ8xcsCg&bvm=bv.41248874,d.b2I
23:09:47 <jorendc> no I'm not
23:09:52 <jorendc> I had that also once
23:09:52 <jmadero> dammit, I lost a line of code
23:10:15 <jmadero> and its in that link
23:10:16 <jmadero> lol
23:10:24 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe you can use cache of google?
23:10:57 <jmadero> jorendc: what about this www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=70223
23:11:40 <jorendc> jmadero: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cGqbBuOgg_AJ:www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml%3Ft%3D70223+&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=be&client=ubuntu
23:11:50 <jorendc> :D
23:12:09 <jmadero> excellent!
23:12:35 <jmadero> jorendc: bedankt
23:12:44 <jorendc> graag gedaan :D
23:13:03 <jorendc> jmadero: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1QNAhFQYgPMJ:www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml%3Ft%3D34759+&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=be&client=ubuntu
23:13:11 <jorendc> that's the first link you send :d
23:21:24 <jmadero> hmm more errors
23:21:27 <jmadero> ImportError: No module named ooutils
23:22:03 <jorendc> that's chinese for me
23:22:42 <jmadero> lol
23:22:42 <jmadero> త్ఘిస్ ఇస్ రెఅల్ల్య్ చినెసె
23:22:42 <jmadero> ;)
23:22:44 <jmadero> that'd be more chinese
23:22:48 <jmadero> (actually Telugu)
23:23:09 <jorendc> :
23:23:11 <jorendc> :p xD
23:40:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59535] Crash when selecting multiple slides
23:41:07 <jmadero> jorendc: BINGO! loaded files
23:41:13 <jmadero> pyuno is my friend
23:43:46 <jorendc> haha :D
23:43:49 <jorendc> jmadero: nice one :o!
23:44:11 <jmadero> think I'll make my raspberry pi do all of this for me :)
23:44:19 <jorendc> :D
23:44:26 <jorendc> jmadero: ... I did also something good :D
23:44:31 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah? what?
23:44:33 <jorendc> make it possible to toggle findbar
23:44:53 <jorendc> if you're focussed to the document and you press ctrl+F -> findbar opens
23:45:04 <jorendc> if you again press ctrl+F -> findbar close
23:45:23 <jmadero> YES! we've needed that
23:45:25 <jmadero> it was a bug report you know?
23:45:33 <jorendc> but if findbar is open and your cursor isn't in it ... It'll just grab the focus back to the findbar :D
23:45:39 <jmadero> damn, nice
23:45:41 <jmadero> that is awesome
23:45:42 <jorendc> jmadero: yes, someone requested it
23:45:47 <jmadero> very functional
23:45:55 <jorendc> and I said: please can you make a different bug report for that
23:46:31 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59101
23:46:32 <jorendc> :D
23:46:37 <IZBot> bug 59101: LibreOffice-UI enhancement/low ASSIGNED [Feature Request] Make Find hotkey (Ctrl+F) a toggle command
23:48:52 <jorendc> jmadero: these are very little fixes ... but great 'features'
23:49:24 <jmadero> jorendc: completely agreed, the little things sometimes impress users more than the big things
23:49:34 <jmadero> I really hope kohei finds some free time to do some of the things he wants to do
23:49:47 <jmadero> some of them I think would really reflect well on us, like your additions
23:49:49 <jorendc> he has good ideas?
23:50:06 <jmadero> well, one of them is to finally allow A:A for a column
23:50:12 <jmadero> which would allow charts to auto update
23:51:04 <jorendc> mmh ... a A:A column
23:51:14 <jorendc> I thought there only was AA column etc
23:51:27 <jmadero> no I mean you could select an entire column in a formula
23:51:30 <jmadero> for instance sum(A:A)
23:51:41 <jorendc> ooh :)
23:51:46 <jmadero> and the sum would update as you add new values to column A
23:51:57 <jorendc> that'll be great indeed
23:52:02 <jmadero> he said big change ;)
23:52:09 <jmadero> but that's the kind of really visible change that makes people happy
23:52:13 <jmadero> like the ctrl + f
23:52:30 <jorendc> indeed :D
23:52:48 <jorendc> I only need to alter 1 line of code
23:52:54 <jorendc> I think that requires a lot more
23:53:02 <jmadero> more than I could have done by a long shot
23:53:35 <jorendc> if you know how ... it's childish easy
23:53:47 <jorendc> but ... 1+1 was also difficult when I was a child :p
23:55:35 <jorendc> I'm searching some other little code-changes that resolve in a big change :)
23:57:13 <jorendc> jmadero: you know how to push to 4.0 branch?
23:57:32 <jmadero> jorendc: ...I forget, ask in dev channel
00:05:18 <jmadero> jorendc: heading home :)
00:05:28 <jorendc> ok
00:05:30 <jorendc> I'm heading to my bed
00:05:31 <jorendc> :-)
00:05:35 <jorendc> good evening over there
00:05:56 <jmadero> jorendc: good luck on your last test
00:06:01 <jorendc> for this week :p
00:06:04 <jorendc> thanks :D
00:06:10 <jorendc> (I have 3 more tests after this one)
00:10:42 <jmadero> good luck on all 3 :)
00:44:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to get rid of blank pages in multipage labels?
02:15:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do you plot a histogram in LibreOffice Calc?
06:50:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59542] VIEWING: +- Icons in LibO FILEOPEN dialog truncated at the bottom
07:21:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59543] undefined: "Recently Used" function no longer works and the help menu does not explain how to restore it || [Bug 59544] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: unexpected rare contents of listing "Related bug reports "
08:21:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59547] FILEOPEN: Slow scrolling particular .RTF file with 50% and more CPU (REGRESSION from AOO 3.4.1)
09:54:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59550] Incorrect tooltips for new ...IFS functions
10:50:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Scanning text into Libreoffice
10:55:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59552] No ODF 1.2 Online Validator available
11:26:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59553] VIEWING: Quick Look
11:50:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: font missing
12:20:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Picture placement issues || LibreOffice printing in landscape
12:58:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59556] Path setting corrupted after reloading file || [Bug 59558] Hyperlink button gets lost in a sort and can't be deleted || [Bug 59559] LibreOffice overload CPU when enabled auto spell-checking || [Bug 59553] Quick Look can't show ODS document content
13:30:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59560] Cannot back changes when I add header, footer.
14:32:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59562] Images disappear due to files erased which should be protected from deletion
15:33:16 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59564] After screen rotation, scrolling DNW with mouse wheel, screen distorts with manual scroll
16:04:20 <jmadero> jorendc: how was your test?
16:04:40 <jorendc> hi jmadero :-)
16:04:44 <jorendc> I think I did well
16:04:55 <jmadero> nice :-D
16:05:12 <jorendc> I think I said and write enough to pass :p
16:05:15 <jorendc> thanks for asking :)
16:05:55 <jmadero> that's important
16:06:54 <jorendc> you're at work now,
16:06:56 <jorendc> ?*
16:10:16 <jmadero> yeah
16:11:19 <jorendc> how it's going with your pyuno script :)
16:11:25 <jorendc> I saw a mail passing by
16:12:19 <jmadero> lol not great, beginning phases and kohei tried helping me but he got stuck too
16:12:25 <jmadero> are you on Windows right now?
16:12:37 <jorendc> no i'm not
16:13:01 <jorendc> I'm going to add a feature to "multi delete styles" :p
16:13:06 <jmadero> I think it might be time for me to start using Windows a little again
16:13:08 <jorendc> (a 'yes to all' button
16:13:09 <jmadero> :-/
16:19:08 <jorendc> jmadero: you know how to add some changes to a commit that is under review? https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1751/
16:19:16 <jorendc> I did a git reset --hard origin/master
16:19:35 <jorendc> so I first need to get my changes 'back' ... so I can alter a bit (but I don't know how to do that :p)
16:20:01 <jmadero> ./g pull commitID
16:20:05 <jmadero> maybe?
16:20:06 <jorendc> I mean https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1737/
16:20:07 <jmadero> that's a guess ;)
16:20:23 <jmadero> ./g pull I5f5982b2a2768d021f24693a285274544e07e40f
16:20:23 <jorendc> mmh
16:21:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: counting cells based on color
16:21:36 <jorendc> ok thanks :-)
16:21:37 <jorendc> I'll try
16:34:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59566] FILEOPEN: Different page margins in particular file (regression)
16:39:19 <jmadero> jorendc: any luck?
16:39:30 <jorendc> I think so :-)
16:39:37 <jmadero> nice
16:39:44 <jmadero> I can't triage any more
16:39:46 <jorendc> I'm doing some changes now, and I hope I can push it again
16:39:57 <jmadero> all Windows bugs
16:39:57 <jmadero> lol
16:40:05 <jorendc> but I used the codes you can find in gerrit
16:40:15 <jorendc> git pull https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/core refs/changes/37/1737/1
16:40:25 <jmadero> ah, nice
16:40:28 <jorendc> thanks btw :)
16:40:34 <jmadero> for what, I was wrong ;)
16:40:50 <jorendc> no, you 'pushed' me to the right direction :d
17:05:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59567] FILESAVE: Error saving the document on a network file
17:21:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how many tab maximum in calc
18:21:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Bullet and Numbering space before line problem in writer || How do you use the ROWNUM function (or similar) in LibreOffice Base query? || Librewriter screen display text gets messed up after scrolling
18:35:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59568] FORMATTING: Automatic linebreak does not adapt row height || [Bug 59569] VIEWING: A object are not correct view in writer or calc LO 4.0.0.1 and is correct in LO 3.6.4
19:22:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why is Times New Roman font always in italic || Page Styles the same on all pages
19:30:42 <jorendc> jmadero: I disconnected
19:31:00 <jorendc> did thorsten answer on my question at dev-channel?
19:36:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59570] UI: Make Number Changing slider more intuitive
20:22:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Which path to enter to add Java 7 to a Mac OS X installation.
21:22:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Missing some words in menu
21:52:38 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO3.5.3 Writer Spell Check doesn't work
22:19:33 <CorNouws> jorendc: fine with me - did you set a special font / size in Tools > Options ?
22:19:59 <jorendc> no, it's a master build
22:20:13 <jorendc> CorNouws: I'm uploading screenshot right now :-)
22:22:35 <jorendc> CorNouws: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j89ej1g73rhc41h/Schermafdruk%20van%202013-01-18%2023%3A08%3A46.png
22:23:19 <jorendc> zoals je kan zien zie je dat de onderste lijsten er niet volledig opstaan (zoals het woord modify) EN er komt nog een rij ondre
22:23:20 <jorendc> onder*
22:27:02 <CorNouws> jorendc: strange OS ;-) ?
22:27:19 <jorendc> Ubuntu 12.10 ...
22:27:27 <jorendc> I thought that's better then M$ xD
22:27:31 <jorendc> ;-) haha kidding :p
22:29:27 <jorendc> CorNouws: I can size down the buttons etc?
22:29:54 <jorendc> because I think my buttons are quite big (compared to mac osx and windows)
22:40:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59573] Problem with comments attached to text ranges, if the text range is at end of document
23:11:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59574] Enhancements for the LibreOffice Download Page
02:46:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59577] FILEOPEN: Font looks different in particular file (regression)
02:58:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I move tables in Writer?
03:18:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59578] FORMATTING: cells don't remember center line data bars
04:29:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: one to many relation base
04:59:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Paste loses cell format in Calc and other pasting issues
05:50:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59579] FILEOPEN: Table row height different in particular file (regression)
07:50:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59580] FILEOPEN: Text in Thai language not displayed properly in particular file
09:00:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Open .xlsx-files including embedded .doc files with Calc
09:30:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Version 3.6 font location?
10:01:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Version windows 8 with LibreOffice 3.6 font location?
10:21:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59581] FORMATTING: Text wrap fails in existing document.ods
11:01:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't change My Documents path using Linux Mint 14
11:56:21 <jorendc> CorNouws: thanks for your email you send me when I was gone :)
12:21:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59582] FORMATTING: Cell border width when opening Excel .xlsx is wrong || [Bug 59583] EDITING: Cannot use formula with user-defined function
12:31:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice crash on Linux
13:52:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59584] Incomplete translation of Macro Administration
14:22:01 <CorNouws> jorendc: wees welkom - ik ga nu even lekker de zon in (klein stukje zon boven Nederland - hier dus :-) )
14:22:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59585] EDITING: Enhancement request: Create merged cells by dragging the handle
14:23:04 <jorendc> :o
14:23:08 <jorendc> CorNouws: gelukzak :D
14:23:17 <jorendc> CorNouws: geniet ervan :)!
14:52:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59586] EDITING: Missing comma in particular PDF file (regression)
16:56:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59587] undefined: impress doesn't refresh screen after spyral animation
17:26:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59589] EDITING: Lines in the Calc || [Bug 59590] : doesn't close correctly
17:32:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to INDEX(INDIRECT(Name1)~INDIRECT(Name2),,col)?
18:03:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to INDEX(INDIRECT(cell1)~INDIRECT(cell2),,col)?
19:29:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59594] Misplaced checkbox on settings dialog (german localization) || [Bug 59595] Java Dialog, Listbox hides Checkboxes || [Bug 59596] misplaced Checkbox
19:35:20 <Jorendc> hi CorNouws. Enjoyed the sun a bit?
19:35:48 <CorNouws> Jorendc: yes, was nice :-) and you, fully prepared for exams and so?
19:35:52 <Jorendc> (can you please push them to our direction so we can also have it for a while :D? ... Long time not seen
19:36:25 <Jorendc> mmh, absolutely not :p. But My next is tuesday, so I've got a bit more time
19:36:28 <CorNouws> Jorendc: sorry, won't work. The sun hides at the other side of the earth ATM ;-)
19:36:49 <Jorendc> haha :p
19:37:59 <CorNouws> Jorendc: OK, bye then - I suppose anyway that you quit internet to be able to concentrate on your future :-)
19:37:59 <CorNouws> (LibreOffice 's future can wait a few weeks ;-) )
19:39:55 <Jorendc> :p
19:40:11 <Jorendc> No I'm taking a little pauze now
20:09:33 <ertai_NL> he CorNouws
20:10:18 <CorNouws> ertai_NL: hi !
20:11:40 <ertai_NL> je had een vraag?
20:16:25 <CorNouws> ertai_NL: meerdere :-) 1.  Impress: soms, speciaal bij kleinere schermen, is in het paneel rechts bij de diawisselingen, de lijst zo klein dat je maar anderehalve regel ziet.  Je kunt paneel losmaken, zoom van interface (Tools > Options > LIbreOffice>View) instellen enzo. Maar wat denk je van het plaatsen van het vakje met aantal seconden rechts van de tekst Automatisch na ?
20:16:54 <CorNouws> je weet vast makkelijk die code te vinden (ik na even zoeken via Opengrok
20:18:36 <ertai_NL> het staat erachter. Maar omdat de tekst te lang is komt het eronder
20:26:01 <CorNouws> hé, dus dat is al de nieuwe UI code?
20:30:43 <ertai_NL> volgens mij niet.. was dit altijd al zo
20:35:26 <ertai_NL> CorNouws: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/animations/SlideTransitionPane.src#131 daar is het gedefinieerd
20:37:11 <CorNouws> en dan zijn de controls gewoon breed genoeg (als het meezit) voor alle teksten ;-)
20:38:46 <ertai_NL> ja
21:01:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59600] EDITING: Popup
21:19:30 <Jorendc> CorNouws: with what OS did you yesterday tested my bug (the one where my 'customize' dialog was too smal)?
21:20:30 <Jorendc> Because I think there is a serious bug going on here fdo#59594 fdo#59595 fdo#59596
21:20:34 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED misplaced Checkbox https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59596
21:20:55 <Jorendc> fdo#59594
21:20:57 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Misplaced checkbox on settings dialog (german localization) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59594
21:21:06 <Jorendc> fdo#59595
21:21:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Java Dialog, Listbox hides Checkboxes https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59595
21:21:29 <ertai_NL> Jorendc: did you fill in when you can for a Dutch/Belgian hackfest? http://www.doodle.com/qqch798bexdhtkr2
21:22:02 <Jorendc> ertai_NL: not yet; I'll look at it in a minute
21:28:25 <Jorendc> mmh ertai_NL I'm looking at my agenda... And I can't promise anything to be present
21:28:46 <Jorendc> But I'll mark when I certainly can't, and the days I can I'll check 'yes, eventually'
21:29:04 <ertai_NL> just select ja (?)
21:29:26 <ertai_NL> (ja) means probably
21:32:39 <Jorendc> indeed :) I will do :D
21:33:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Have replaced file and need to replace with previous version... how?
21:44:56 <CorNouws> Jorendc: Ubuntu 12:10 unity
21:45:49 <Jorendc> oh ok; Maybe because of my UI (I installed cinammon (it's absolutely not cinammon what I've downloaded :p but it used to be))
21:45:58 <CorNouws> askibo: use backup ;-)
21:46:32 <Jorendc> lol
21:47:11 <CorNouws> yeah, LibreOffice should help me repair my faults in using the OS :-)
21:47:31 <Jorendc> :'-)
21:47:51 <CorNouws> Jorendc: Cinammon = Mint ?
21:48:03 <Jorendc> yes :p
21:48:14 <Jorendc> But I installed Ubuntu 12.10 first
21:48:23 <CorNouws> ok, better check that with all the issues then?
21:48:41 <Jorendc> Mint is release 2 or 3 months after release of Ubuntu 12.10
21:49:00 <Jorendc> CorNouws: It's Ubuntu 12.10; not mint
21:49:06 <Jorendc> but Mint uses also cinammon
21:49:21 <Jorendc> so I've a Ubuntu version that looks like a Mint one :p
21:49:26 <CorNouws> Jorendc: OK, I've no clue about OSes ;-)
21:52:29 <Jorendc> CorNouws: Ubuntu = Unity and Mint = Cinammon :D Mint is a 'fork'/'branch' of Ubuntu but with another UI (Cinammon)... And I have installed Cinammon on Ubuntu :p ... So I've a mintified ubuntu xD
21:52:46 * Jorendc going to stop his math exercises right now :D
21:54:32 <ertai_NL> saturday night and you are doing math?
21:54:42 <Jorendc> ertai_NL: ... Exams :p
21:54:50 <ertai_NL> stil..
21:55:43 <Jorendc> ertai_NL: I have to calculate the initial lenght of a corrugated tube ...
21:55:53 <Jorendc> You can't imagine what kind of formulas they invented for that
21:56:23 <ertai_NL> a student needs to go to a pub and get drunk on saturday-night
21:57:01 <Jorendc> ertai_NL: I know :-)... No time for that now
22:04:17 <ertai_NL> tssk.. bad student
22:04:46 <Jorendc> you're right about that :D
22:12:28 <CorNouws> Jorendc: LibreOffice needs well studied contributors, pls don't listen to ertai_NL :-)
22:12:54 <ertai_NL> :D
22:13:05 * ertai_NL is going to a bar and listen music..
22:13:07 <ertai_NL> bye..
22:13:20 <Jorendc> :D I'm studying for Industrial Engineer elektromechanics... I think that'll not help me with LO :D
22:34:10 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Wizards don't work
22:34:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59601] HORIZONTAL LINES BORDER NOT PRINTED
23:04:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59603] EDITING: Support for OpenType stylistic sets
23:35:31 <Jorendc> hi jmadero :)
23:37:26 <jmadero> Jorendc: hey
23:38:10 <Jorendc> I sended a mail 5 mins ago
23:38:18 <jmadero> to qa list?
23:39:06 <jmadero> oh to me :)
23:39:08 <jmadero> I see it
23:39:25 <jmadero> thanks :)
23:39:41 <jmadero> kohei told me I need to get the basics down before asking a ton of questions, I tend to agree ;)
23:39:45 <Jorendc> I don't know or you already find that :D
23:39:50 <jmadero> I'd prefer just someone else writing the script to be honest
23:39:52 <jmadero> my time is so stretched
23:40:14 <jmadero> but it seems like PyUno isn't used much at all
23:40:33 <Jorendc> indeed
23:40:45 <Jorendc> I didn't heard about it before you asked something about it :p
23:45:26 <jmadero> I'm working on this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40656
23:45:28 <IZBot> bug 40656: LibreOffice-Localization enhancement/medium ASSIGNED Move measurement settings to LibreOffice tree
23:46:19 <Jorendc> ok
23:46:23 <Jorendc> I'll look at it in a moment
23:46:43 <Jorendc> jmadero: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1770/ I solved that thai related bug :p
23:46:51 <jmadero> :)
23:46:55 <Jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59240
23:46:57 <IZBot> bug 59240: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/high ASSIGNED FORMATTING: Thai number shown as Arabic numerals
23:47:04 <Jorendc> :')
23:47:41 <Jorendc> just a function that was called, but didn't store the value of it back in the variable
23:49:21 <Jorendc> jmadero: it's working?
23:49:27 <jmadero> what is?
23:49:34 <jmadero> the one I told you, no I'm working on it ;)
23:49:38 <Jorendc> "I've done quite a bit of the change and should be done in the next 1-2 weeks (hopefully)."
23:49:40 <jmadero> hopefully have it done by 4.1
23:49:43 <Jorendc> :)
23:49:44 <jmadero> haha no I lied
23:49:45 <Jorendc> nice
23:49:56 <Jorendc> no need to rush :p
23:50:14 <Jorendc> what's the status of it?
23:50:26 <Jorendc> that'll be a nice bug
23:50:31 <Jorendc> feature i mean
23:50:50 <jmadero> um, the easy stuff is done ;)
23:51:01 <jmadero> so hopefully another month, it was harder than I thoguht
23:51:14 <Jorendc> hehe ;p
23:51:39 <jmadero> but our bug count is going back up
23:51:41 <jmadero> (go figure)
23:51:59 <Jorendc> yes :s
23:52:07 <Jorendc> but many gittdif sh*t I think
23:52:20 <jmadero> that person needs to stop reporting that crap
23:52:39 <Jorendc> oh no, I don't see them anymore
23:53:08 <Jorendc> jmadero: but he also do enhancement requests :p https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59585
23:53:11 <IZBot> bug 59585: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Enhancement request: Create merged cells by dragging the handle
23:53:47 <Jorendc> Current behavior: Users cannot create another merged cell by dragging the handle of an existing merged cell.  Expected behavior: Users can create another merged cell by dragging the handle of an existing merged cell.
23:54:13 <Jorendc> I don't get it
23:54:16 <Jorendc> that's one for you
23:54:16 <Jorendc> :D
23:59:25 <jmadero> haha great
00:03:23 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59596
00:03:24 <jmadero> yours ;)
00:03:25 <IZBot> bug 59596: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED misplaced Checkbox
00:03:49 <Jorendc> I already tried to reproduce that
00:03:52 <Jorendc> but he made 3 bugs
00:03:58 <Jorendc> that are quite related to each other I think
00:04:09 <Jorendc> but I'm not convinced enough to mark them as duplicate
00:04:19 <Jorendc> check fdo#59594
00:04:21 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Misplaced checkbox on settings dialog (german localization) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59594
00:04:22 <Jorendc> check fdo#59595
00:04:24 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Java Dialog, Listbox hides Checkboxes https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59595
00:04:26 <Jorendc> check fdo#59596
00:04:29 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED misplaced Checkbox https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59596
00:04:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I uninstall the program? || Calc problem with decimal point (.) on numeric pad || How can we have text fields of undefined size in Writer?
00:05:12 <jmadero> our new policy that we came up with last week isn't functional
00:05:17 <jmadero> for REOPENED vs. UNCONFIRMED
00:05:58 <Jorendc> I know :p
00:06:16 <Jorendc> I saw same behavior (that it doesn't function)
00:09:06 <jmadero> can you reproduce this https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59587&list_id=211568
00:09:10 <IZBot> bug 59587: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED undefined: impress doesn't refresh screen after spyral animation
00:10:42 <Jorendc> let me check
00:12:17 <jmadero> I did the other one
00:12:18 <jmadero> the merge one
00:12:48 <Jorendc> ok
00:12:51 <Jorendc> I can reproduce
00:13:03 <jmadero> strange, I couldn't, can you mark it as such?
00:13:19 <Jorendc> yes i will
00:13:23 <Jorendc> I'll send you a screenshot
00:13:28 <Jorendc> what priority?
00:13:41 <Jorendc> (I'll upload it as attachment :p)
00:14:13 <jmadero> hm, normal - medium I think si fine unless it's a regression
00:15:13 <jmadero> only doing one more today
00:15:15 <jmadero> weekend ;)
00:15:16 <Jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59587
00:15:18 <Jorendc> :p
00:15:18 <jmadero> i might code a bit on the side
00:15:19 <IZBot> bug 59587: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium NEW undefined: impress doesn't refresh screen after spyral animation
00:15:30 <Jorendc> nice :D
00:15:38 <jmadero> that looks bad;)
00:15:39 <Jorendc> the pyuno think
00:15:44 <Jorendc> thing*
00:15:49 <Jorendc> or that enhancement request?
00:15:52 <Jorendc> yes, it is :D
00:18:20 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59582&list_id=211568
00:18:22 <IZBot> bug 59582: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Cell border width when opening Excel .xlsx is wrong
00:18:26 <jmadero> I'm sure this is a duplicate
00:18:28 <jmadero> just can't find it
00:19:40 <Jorendc> mmh
00:19:47 <jmadero> found it
00:21:03 <Jorendc> nice :D
00:21:28 <Jorendc> back to 20 bugs :p
00:21:34 <Jorendc> we start with 30 or so?
00:25:27 <jmadero> 27
00:25:28 <jmadero> :)
00:25:36 <jmadero> and a lot of those are weird ones still that need devs input
00:25:41 <jmadero> what is moggi's last name?
00:25:57 <Jorendc> type 'mo'
00:26:06 <jmadero> got it, thanks
00:26:11 <Jorendc> :)
00:28:18 <jmadero> I can't see any different on this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59577&list_id=211578
00:28:20 <IZBot> bug 59577: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Font looks different in particular file (regression)
00:29:10 <jmadero> okay that's all for now :) going to visit with my wife
00:29:17 <jmadero> down to 17 after removing 2 assigned reopened bugs
00:29:25 <jmadero> I'll be back and forth
00:30:04 <Jorendc> jmadero: it's more bold in 3.6.4 then in 4.0
00:30:45 <Jorendc> in belgium we call this people 'ant f*ckers'
00:31:47 <Jorendc> but how do he know that isn't a better behavior then previous :s?
00:34:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Automatic sheet naming. || Is there a LibreOffice port for OpenBSD running on sparc64? || Use of Visio VSS stencils
00:36:12 <jmadero> Jorendc: mark as NEW
00:36:18 <jmadero> as there is a different, devs can decide what to do
00:37:00 <Jorendc> jmadero: I can see the difference between his screenshots
00:37:04 <Jorendc> but I didn't test it yet
00:37:10 * Jorendc opens file
00:39:34 <Jorendc> lol
00:39:50 <Jorendc> can't see any difference when I compare them right away
00:39:58 <jmadero> lol close it, ridiculous people
00:40:03 <Jorendc> indeed
00:43:09 <Jorendc> I marked it as RESOLVED WONTFIX
00:43:15 <Jorendc> antfckr
00:43:29 <jmadero> lol
00:46:03 <Jorendc> damn https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978
00:46:05 <IZBot> bug 58978: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED [FILEOPEN][FILESAVE]: General Error while opening/closing .odt files
00:46:18 <Jorendc> I need to reopen a very annoying bug I reported by myself
00:46:29 <Jorendc> :s and I don't know what priority ...
00:46:38 <jmadero> that one ^^
00:46:45 <Jorendc> every time you open/safe an odt file -> error message
00:46:51 <jmadero> blocker
00:46:52 <Jorendc> and I thought it was solved for a while ...
00:46:56 <jmadero> highest
00:46:58 <Jorendc> but it's there again
00:47:06 <jmadero> plus add Michael Meeks to the CC
00:47:15 <Jorendc> mmh, a moment
00:47:25 <Jorendc> maybe it's generated because I have 2 LO's opened right now
00:47:28 <Jorendc> 3.6 and 4.1
00:47:33 <Jorendc> let me retest
00:47:57 <Jorendc> but it's strange, because 3.6 and 4.0 both opened doesn't resolve in this messsage
00:48:26 <Jorendc> nops, still there :p
00:48:41 <Jorendc> jmadero: MAB4.0?
00:48:49 <jmadero> most definitely
00:49:28 <Jorendc> thanks :)
00:51:52 <Jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to sleep
00:51:55 <Jorendc> bed time :p
00:51:57 <jmadero> Jorendc: night!
00:52:01 <Jorendc> 1:40 AM
00:52:12 <Jorendc> good evening/night jmadero
01:37:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59608] Use addons.mozilla.org URL for getting Personas instead of getpersonas.com
03:11:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59611] Use of personas
04:05:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Changing editors
04:35:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do you use the ROWNUM function (or similar) in LibreOffice Base query?
06:36:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to loop an embedded video in LibreOffice Impress Linux?
07:36:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't save LibreOffice Basic Macro in .xls file
09:06:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 3.5 spellcheck not working
09:12:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59612] UI: Wrong file name in top window bar || [Bug 59613] RTL VIEWING: Increasing size of dialogs to right or bottom causes artifacts
09:29:07 <pje335_NL> hi guys got a stupid question
09:29:15 <pje335_NL> what does qa people do?
09:36:39 <ertai_NL> we sort through the bugs in bugzilla
09:36:53 <ertai_NL> And test LibreOffice itself when there is time for it
09:40:14 <pje335_NL> ow oke
09:42:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59615] EDITING: problème de fusion de cellules
10:43:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59616] FILEOPEN: LO crash with an svm image
11:13:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59617] VIEWING: De facto zoom shortcuts like CTRL++ and CTRL+- don't exits. || [Bug 59618] FORMCONTROLS: command 'N'
11:37:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: My spellchecker doesn't seem to work || Font/Fill color dialog box
11:43:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59619] Spelling error — Heigth
13:37:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I want to create a form that looks up contacts by business name OR a first name - last name join - how? || LibreOffice Base is not giving me the option to add vertical scrollbar to a memo field?
14:18:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59622] CONDITIONAL FORMATTING NOT COPIED WHEN COPY-PASTE ALL SHEET
15:48:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59624] Chart broken after copy from calc to writer/draw || [Bug 59625] Low quality antialiased rendering in charts || [Bug 59616] CRASH when FILEOPEN particular .svm image
16:08:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Download Libre Office on Android
17:21:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59629] Custom animation: only the first line is animated
17:38:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Sheet name tabs vanished || A very simple macro request
17:52:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59630] Server Installation GUI 3.0: Does not recognize master installation files.
18:08:47 <IZBot> News from asklibo: manual breaks vanished, insert option doesn't work
18:22:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59632] cant print .doc
18:53:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59633] Update the spellchecker dictionary for Lithuanian
19:23:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59634] FORMATTING
20:39:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is LibreOffice compatible to New ACER Android Tablet?
21:09:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there any API (AskBot API) for Ask LibreOffice? || how to clear a print file out of the queue
21:39:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is LibreOffice available for Android?
23:00:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59638] REGRESSION FILEOPEN: RTF import doesn't handle list types correctly
00:32:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59640] Crash when I try to add a "Persona"
01:02:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59641] Tools->Import Formula->MathML copies already entered formula || [Bug 59642] Tools -> Import Formula does not work if a MathML file is selected using "All files (*.*)" file filter
01:10:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why can't I have a sepporate "writer" || Why "discard" terminology in save window
01:34:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59643] Format Paintbrush cannot be correctly undone
02:37:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59645] FILEOPEN: Justified text not shown properly in particular file (regression)
03:13:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: my Excel file looks weird in LibreOffice 3.6.4 and 4.0 beta
03:37:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59647] undefined: sumif function between sheets
04:43:47 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why can't I have a separate "writer"
07:16:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I get LO Users' Guides? || Users' Guides || Suggest improvements to Ask LibO
07:46:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I convert Word .doc files into .odt files on a MAC
08:17:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Spreadsheet freezes and Printer Tray issue. Reported Bugs || Where can I get Users' Guides for the LibreOffice components?
08:17:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59650] FILEOPEN: in particular .DOCX table does not fit page size and there is no right margin of the document at all
08:47:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59652] : Rendering diagram-graphics OK in latest Win7 version, not in Ubuntu (source is same file!) || [Bug 59653] Page background (watermark) cannot be removed or selected
09:48:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: A hopefully very easy question
10:18:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a wiki-style "Playground" on this site?
11:18:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem with hidden sections
11:49:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Non-graphite OpenType font support || LibreOffice fails to open
12:54:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59657] Font || [Bug 59658] : LibreOffice won't open
13:24:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59659] setPropertyValue() method does not work for Japanese text
13:54:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59660] Time New Roman font always in Italic despite italic not beeing selected
14:21:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Lost entire doc beyond page 2
14:52:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: When attempting to upgrade from 3.3 to 3.6...
14:55:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59663] FORMATTING VIEWING
15:26:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59665] Not possible to save changes in MS Word 2003 XML format
15:43:59 <mas1> i am back team
15:44:18 <mas1> looking forward to working some bugs soon
15:53:10 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [Meta] How to upload avatar image on AskLibO?
15:57:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59666] EDITING: Option to dissable Greek letters (αβγδελμ..) converting to big letters (ABGDE...) as automatic capitalization of first letters in sentense || [Bug 59667] LibreOffice Writer doesn't display documents correctly.
16:53:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Heading not displaying correct numbering || can't see text at bottom of cell in calc
17:23:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Error: The component (com.sun.star.ui.dialogs.AddressBookSourcePilot) could not be loaded.
17:57:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59670] RuntimeExceptionScriptProtocolHandler::createScriptProvider protected documents with password || [Bug 59669] Readme mentions false system requirements
18:24:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Display percent value as progress bar, in cell? || Spell Check Not Working With .doc Files, But Works for Other Kinds of Formats || Reusing custom report templates in Libre Base || Changing Header from 'First Page' to 'Default'
18:28:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59671] FILESAVE Tab stop in right margin different in .doc export
18:55:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Extension manager: exception in synchronize
18:58:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59674] FILESAVE weird/corrupt bullet paragraph style in .doc export
20:31:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59676] Copy range cells and paste special as RTF in Writer does not work
20:56:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't update options or styles Kubuntu 12.10 office 3.6.4.3 || Writing User Defined Functions in Python
21:26:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Impress crashes when playing movies
21:32:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59678] : Can´t create dialogs || [Bug 59679] Wrong window title encoding || [Bug 59680] Apple Keynote (presentation software) file format support
21:56:46 <IZBot> News from asklibo: x-axis names underneath the individual columns || My spellchecker doesn't seem to work
22:02:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59681] Exporting with LMRoman10 font to PDF causes character overlap || [Bug 59682] : Insert > Fields not working properly
23:03:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59684] FILEOPEN: Can't properly open a particular .doc file in writer. || [Bug 59681] FILESAVE Exporting with LMRoman10 font to PDF causes character overlap
23:27:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: my Excel file looks weird in LibreOffice 3.6.4 and 4.0 beta
01:35:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59686] : instance running after application has been closed
02:27:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I configure .DOC files to open with LibreOffice on Windows 7?
02:38:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59692] Date change automatic after paste from excel
03:28:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: vba doesn't work after saving file on libre || What is the best format in Impress for compatability with MS Office 2010?
04:42:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59694] Data recognition in libreoffice Calc fails (inconsistent with locale and date format of cell)
06:03:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: ePub3 Create & Edit
07:13:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59694] Date recognition fails (inconsistent with locale and date format of cell)
07:45:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59697] freezes when opening ods || [Bug 59696] FILEOPEN: Powerpoint .ppt/.pptx presentation renders incorrectly
08:15:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59698] Template Manage: Missing Help button || [Bug 59699] RTF: insert picture
08:33:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What are the buttons at the left of the Column header ? || JAVA replacement by Python scripts || A very simple macro request
08:45:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59698] Template Manager: Missing Help button
09:03:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: CALC : What are the buttons at the left of the Column header ?
09:33:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I install LibreOffice 3.5 built-in help? || Convert numbers to English words || No recent documents in libreoffice 3.3.3 || How can I export an Impress presentation to PDF and preserve hyperlinks?
09:46:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59699] RTF: INCLUDEPICTURE image not shown
10:04:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to hide sections depending on two fields in a database
10:34:10 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How should we mark/resolve duplicate questions?
10:46:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59704] Odt to html conversion with characters Iranian / Arabic
11:16:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59706] EDITING: writer provides no cursor access in boxes outside text margin || [Bug 59708] build system ignores "make mod1 mod2" ignores dependencies between mod1 and mod2
13:49:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59710] : CLI bridge (.NET) if both OOo 2.4.0 (and above?) and LibreOffice (any version) are installed
14:21:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59711] EDITING: Function FLOOR misbehavior with negative numbers and positive significance || [Bug 59712] undefined: wrong answer of function ISNUM() when pointing a cell in an other file
14:35:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem with tables and multi-column sections
15:05:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Not sure how to use placeholder fields in templates.
15:21:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59713] Add spellchecking dictionary for Bosnian language
15:42:30 <jmadero> jorendc: hey Joren
15:42:45 <jorendc> Hi Joel jmadero :)
15:42:49 <jorendc> how are you?
15:43:00 <jmadero> lol at work, so could be better ;)
15:43:03 <jmadero> had yesterday off
15:43:06 <jorendc> hehe :D
15:43:10 <jorendc> ooh, you skipped monday
15:43:14 <jmadero> holiday
15:43:17 <jmadero> well not holiday for me, not paid
15:43:17 <jorendc> so you have a monday-feeling right now :p?
15:43:29 <jmadero> lol every day I have Monday feeling here
15:43:38 <jmadero> basically for 8 hours a day, I'm hating life ;)
15:43:38 <jorendc> :p *counting days*
15:43:49 <jmadero> 214 days until school starts
15:44:20 <jorendc> - weekends - holidays
15:44:47 * jorendc trying to cheer jmadero up :p
15:44:58 <jmadero> lol I'll be cheered at 4:00pm when I get out of here
15:45:02 <jmadero> until then, I just try to ignore everyone
15:45:18 <jorendc> lol
15:45:30 <jmadero> just got my headphones in ;)
15:45:49 <jmadero> looking at UNCONFIRMED bugs
15:46:25 <jorendc> 153 days (without holidays counted :p)
15:47:08 <jmadero> lol holidays are tainted as long as I'm here
15:47:29 <jorendc> 214 / 7 = 30 weeks and a bit -> 2 days per week not at work -> minus 61 days -> 214 - 61 = 153
15:47:30 <jmadero> in the US there is this bullshit system of contract workers, so most my co-workers get paid on holidays, I don't, really pisses me off
15:47:41 <jmadero> I'm quite a bit smarter than most of them
15:47:42 <jorendc> oh :s
15:47:57 <jmadero> as you can tell, I hate my job
15:48:00 <jmadero> I think that is an understatement
15:48:01 <jorendc> :D
15:48:32 <jorendc> 153 days of bug triaging ;-)
15:48:48 <jorendc> I did already 2 bibisect bugs today :p
15:48:53 <jmadero> lol hopefully they lay me off before then ;) but yes, that is worst case
15:48:55 <jmadero> niiice
15:49:07 <jmadero> during our ESC call, all the devs thank QA for those
15:49:43 <jmadero> I don't think I'm going to be able to do either of the two patches that I wanted to do :-/
15:49:51 <jmadero> too advanced
15:50:03 <jorendc> :-) good to hear (about ESC call)
15:50:23 <jorendc> and ... sure :-). No problem. it's a pity ... but at least you tried :)
15:50:38 <jmadero> I'm trying to find someone with experience just to do them
15:50:45 <jmadero> I don't want to just dump them, I think both are valid
15:50:49 <jmadero> both enhancement requests
15:50:51 <jorendc> maybe you can pass your expertise to another more advanced dever?
15:51:08 <jmadero> I doubt the advanced devs will work on it, since they are both enhancements
15:51:16 <jmadero> they are mostly working on regressions and big bugs
15:51:22 <jorendc> mmh, true story
15:52:03 <jorendc> I read an article about the new features of LibreOffice; and I was reading some reactions (the most important section of the article :p)
15:52:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59714] Using headers in large files causes extreme slowness || [Bug 59715] MinGW: document as e-mail not working if app name includes spaces
15:52:35 <jorendc> someone complained about the fact you can't "browse" easily in calc with the navigator (F5)
15:52:54 <jorendc> you need to fill in the column and row seperate (and you can't use your tab-key)
15:53:13 <jorendc> (at least, that's what he said...)
15:53:27 <jmadero> he should make a bug report
15:53:36 <jmadero> commenting on a blog or an article doesn't get things done
15:53:57 <jorendc> I can use tab-key... but it'll indeed be an improvement if it's just one field where you can type 'A1' or so
15:54:05 <jorendc> and not 'A' tab '1'
15:54:08 <jorendc> yes indeed :-)
15:54:18 <jmadero> I don't use navigator, although it seems quite useful ;)
15:54:22 <jorendc> but I was wondering or I can fix it by my own, or it's to complicated ;-)
15:54:29 <jorendc> I don't use it either
15:54:45 <jmadero> I say try it, nothing is too complicated
15:54:47 <jorendc> but I can see the irritation of users who need to fill it in seperate :D
15:54:55 <jmadero> (too is used when it's too much of something or "also")
15:54:56 <jmadero> :)
15:55:26 <jmadero> try it :) minimum you'll find the location of the code and you can put a pointer in the comments
15:56:14 <jorendc> jmadero: :D
15:58:21 <jmadero> did you see Eike's email about our conversation about NEEDINFO etc...
15:58:29 <jmadero> he wasn't happy, he said basically it's dysfunctional ;)
15:58:31 <jmadero> I tend to agree
15:58:54 <jmadero> one of my co-workers is REALLY strange
15:58:57 <jmadero> he talks about the weirdest crap
15:59:34 <jorendc> lol
15:59:39 <jorendc> didn't follow the mailinglist that much
15:59:42 <jorendc> to many mails :D
16:00:00 * jorendc browsing in this Thunderbird
16:00:26 <jorendc> ps jmadero: maybe you can make fun of your co-worker :p
16:00:34 <jorendc> except he's your boss of course
16:00:47 <jorendc> (not that's in your case a 'problem' :p but ...)
16:03:59 <jorendc> mmh, I see Eike's point :-)
16:04:02 <jmadero> my boss makes the most fun of him
16:04:05 <jmadero> Rainer added further comment
16:04:29 <jmadero> we have a new bibisect repo!
16:05:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Create 1 spreadsheet from many CSV
16:06:25 <jmadero> jorendc: http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/libreoffice/binrepo/
16:06:41 <jorendc> wohooo :D
16:06:47 <jorendc> thanks jmadero
16:06:59 <jmadero> sure thing, right now it is in testing mode I think
16:07:00 <jorendc> how to download it in once?
16:07:08 <jorendc> at*
16:07:10 <jmadero> I haven't played around with it yet ;)
16:07:44 <jorendc> (I'm not going to download it file by file :d
16:08:09 <jmadero> looks like it needs to be made, interesitng
16:08:14 <jmadero> I might need Bjoern's guidance
16:08:22 <jmadero> (right now working on wiki for FDO)
16:08:26 <jorendc> (or do I need a ftp-client for that :p)
16:08:36 <jorendc> oh, what are you doing?
16:09:08 <jorendc> (adding/changing :p)
16:19:44 <jorendc_> damn reconnection
16:22:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59716] CALC ENHANCEMENT allow multicolumn printing || [Bug 59717] Create an EMAB (Enhancement, Minor Annoying Bugs)
16:35:27 <jmadero> you there jorendc ?
16:35:33 <jmadero> net is acting really strange
16:35:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to convert a column index to a column name?
16:37:00 <jorendc> jmadero: pong
16:37:06 <jorendc> net?
16:37:12 <jmadero> internet
16:37:19 <jorendc> oh, yes
16:37:21 <jmadero> I was on the chat but wasn't updating nor letting me say anything
16:37:24 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FreeDesktop_Rules_Procedures
16:37:25 <jmadero> what do you think?
16:37:27 <jorendc> freenode just disconnected me
16:37:42 <jorendc> same here
16:38:55 <jorendc> (where each number is the nu
16:38:59 <jorendc> ending bracket missing
16:39:12 <jmadero> lol typo there
16:39:13 <jmadero> meant to delete it
16:39:45 <jorendc> very nice
16:39:52 <jorendc> TDF BoD may be CC'ed
16:39:54 <jorendc> emailadres?
16:40:48 <jmadero> I'm not going to post their email addresses ;)
16:41:23 <jorendc> oh, I'm sorry; I get it, it's the board of directors?
16:41:33 <jmadero> yeah
16:41:38 <jorendc> (I thought it was a default email of FDO or something)
16:41:43 <jorendc> sorry, my misunderstanding
16:41:45 <jmadero> ah, no board of directors
16:42:25 <jorendc> good job jmadero :)
16:42:29 <jmadero> writing isn't exactly sophisticated ;) I just wanted to get it done
16:42:50 <jmadero> can you think of any other clear violations of policy?
16:43:00 <jmadero> where it can be enumerated and said "DO NOT DO THIS"
16:43:08 <jmadero> swearing is up in the air, I swear on IRC ;)
16:43:11 <jmadero> but it's always in a friendly manner
16:43:17 <jmadero> and usually targeted at myself
16:44:22 <jmadero> wiki is down
16:44:22 <jmadero> Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
16:44:49 <jorendc> :p euhm... not in this kind of violations ... but I was thinking about spamming or just 'post to make your bug more visible'
16:45:38 <jorendc> and because there could be someone in CC or so (we as QA, or someone else who's interested)
16:47:35 <jorendc> jmadero: wiki is back up...
16:51:36 <jmadero> jorendc: good idea
16:53:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59718] UI: Borders are not drawn correctly || [Bug 59719] EDITING: FOGLIO COPIA/MUOVI
16:54:28 <jmadero> Sweetshark: when you get some time to check it out, really basic FDO policy site https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FreeDesktop_Rules_Procedures
16:56:48 <Sweetshark> looks good in general. I would make that "TDF will usually proceed in the following manner"
16:57:22 <jmadero> ah, good thought
16:57:31 <Sweetshark> otherwise some people/trolls might try to play you by your own rules ...
16:57:36 <jmadero> Sweetshark: jorendc and I were wondering....how do we use the bibisect repo
16:57:46 <jmadero> ;) then I'd be the one being laughed at
16:57:47 <jmadero> haha
16:57:58 <jorendc> :p
17:05:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to change page acting as 'First page' to 'Default' in Base templates
17:19:53 <jorendc> lol jmadero
17:19:57 <jorendc> you're in dev channel?
17:20:03 <jorendc> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/
17:20:05 <jmadero> no, should I be?
17:20:12 <jorendc> no
17:20:15 <jorendc> :D
17:20:25 <jorendc> loikerbot is freaking on that amount of changes
17:21:18 <jmadero> lol
17:23:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59716] Allow multicolumn PRINTING
17:26:50 <jmadero> still freaking out?
17:28:16 <jorendc> nops :p
17:28:25 * jorendc going to eat; will be back
17:28:38 <jmadero> jorendc: enjoy :)
17:28:45 <jorendc> thanks jmadero
17:37:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: command line --convert using Windows 7 || font size find problem || Styles and Formatting are a mess - back to MS Word (and I so wish I didn't have to)
17:52:36 <jorendc> back
17:53:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59722] EDITING FORMATTING FILEOP || [Bug 59723] EDITING FORMATTING FILEOPEN
18:08:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Open odt document where I left off?
18:24:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59724] FILEOPEN: Inherited currency format not retained through close and open
18:54:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59727] undefined: Valid Formula Causes #NAME? Error on Close/Re-Open || [Bug 59728] Python 3 loads utf-8 encoded files as CP-1252 encoded files
19:09:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Work out tax on a invoice
19:25:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59730] FILEOPEN particular .xlsx: "IF" condition not calculated
19:40:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how do I open PDF files in Windows 8?
19:55:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59731] EDITING: Reproducible crash in OpenOffice.org
20:26:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59722] FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted
21:12:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: If Then for cell value automatically delete row
21:42:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why "open document" will always bring me to my home folder?
23:43:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Base Query to Reset/Set a Field
00:02:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59736] FILESAVE: Preview of ODT file not shown after being edited in Word
00:13:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Changing Header from 'First Page' to 'Default'
01:34:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59714] Using footnotes in large files causes extreme slowness
04:47:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Customer database
05:11:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59739] FILEOPEN: Can't open file that was created by himself.
06:47:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Inserting a picture or photo in a libreoffice writer document
07:11:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59743] EDITING: Comment locations are a point, rather than a selection || [Bug 59744] UI: Dragging toolbar buttons does not modify the toolbar
07:17:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Associate odt with Libreoffice || export to MS Office file to pdf
07:41:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59745] TDF Site: [es] (Español): Typos, missing translation
07:47:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Do I need to uninstall MS-Office before installing LibreOffice? || Can LibreOffice open Lotus WordPro (.lwp) files?
08:18:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I work out tax on a invoice? || LO and MS Word Pad
08:42:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59748] FILESAVE: File named like folder saves in the folder
08:50:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to create a donats chart labels? || Installed 3.5.5 Twice, Still Being Nagged to Update
09:14:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59749] Personas with transparent background makes menus and toolbars transparent as well
09:20:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: When I download extensions they are zip files and not .oxt files || Writer: document language changes with keyboard layout - how to remove this behavior? || download seemed fine but it did not go to desktop and I cannot find it || Drop down menus only contain two fields.
09:44:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59751] EDITING: Make Alt-ArrowKey swap paragraphs, rows and columns || [Bug 59752] Unable to hide the Frame of Object
09:52:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Save a presentation with videos so that MS-PP can open it properly || How to make a Schedule || How can I send documents through email from LibreOffice?
10:14:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59754] : Please For Sanity's sake disable autocompletion by default || [Bug 59731] CRASH when close file after drag & drop slide from other document's Slides Pane
10:22:27 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Export MS-Office file to PDF on Android
11:14:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59755] FORMATTING: Incorrect date format changing
11:22:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I change the format of Bullets and Numbering for the whole document
11:46:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59756] : No error when launching a headless server and it cannot bind to the port
12:17:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59758] Text not scaled when scaling a group of object
12:53:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc formula || base won't open databases
14:17:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59760] : Pivot table chart disappears/becomes blank
14:48:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59761] EDITING Applying language to all text creates multiple Undo actions || [Bug 59763] Incorrect display of the [Sort] dialog || [Bug 59762] EDITING: Link to external data (html)
14:52:40 <jmadero> jorendc: morning
14:52:50 <jorendc> morning jmadero!
14:53:03 <jorendc> I spend my noon on installing linux mint :D
14:53:13 <jmadero> lol why'd you go with mint?
14:53:19 <jorendc> I screwed my Ubuntu install again (by installing cinammon)
14:53:27 <jmadero> lol try out Bodhi ;)
14:53:43 <jorendc> mmh, nah :p I like the cinammon environement...
14:53:50 <jmadero> which is just gnome 2 yes?
14:54:04 <jorendc> euh... don't know :p
14:54:32 <jorendc> I think I'm just a linux noob :D
14:54:37 <jmadero> I haven't tried it, I actually like Gnome-Shell quite a bit
14:54:45 <jmadero> despite the people at Gnome being a bit...unflexible
14:55:36 <jorendc> :)
14:56:31 <jorendc> jmadero: following this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_%28user_interface%29 ... it's indeed quite related to Gnome
14:56:50 <jorendc> you can access wiki again?
14:58:13 <jmadero> I'm not at work ;)(
14:59:36 <jorendc> oh
14:59:42 <jorendc> yet? or just holiday
14:59:47 <jmadero> yet
14:59:52 <jmadero> leave in about 20 minutes
15:00:50 <jorendc> oh ok :)
15:02:23 <jmadero> how's our bug list looking
15:02:32 <jorendc> jmadero: 'XChat' is also installed by default on Mint (never saw that application on ubuntu :p)
15:02:34 <jmadero> 31
15:02:44 <jmadero> yeah, I've heard good things about xchat, I use pidgin
15:03:11 <jorendc> I was used to use the freenode online (via browser)
15:03:12 <jorendc> :p
15:04:10 <jmadero> lol really?
15:04:15 <jmadero> not even empathy that is installed with Ubuntu
15:04:27 <jmadero> empathy has a long way to go, I don't know why Ubuntu switched from pidgin
15:05:22 <jorendc> I don't know either :)
15:05:38 <jmadero> I think it's because pidgin devs are like Gnome devs
15:05:47 <jmadero> they have a "we know best" attitude
15:05:55 <jorendc> that could be possible :)
15:06:01 <jorendc> there are many REOPENED bugs ...
15:06:18 <jorendc> the last 8 entry's of the list are all reopened
15:06:37 <jorendc> so 23 bugs unconfirmed
15:07:44 <jmadero> yeah but 5 of the 8 need confirmed again
15:07:50 <jmadero> I hope we solve the REOPENED issue
15:08:53 <jorendc> indeed
15:08:56 <jorendc> I'm building right now
15:09:12 <jmadero> nice
15:09:14 <jorendc> and my default version of LibreOffice is ... 3.6.2 ... that's euh ...
15:09:20 <jorendc> quite old in LO terms :D
15:09:25 <jmadero> I built yesterday, 6 hours ;)
15:09:50 <jorendc> heh :). I think I can build in 1:20 from scratch
15:09:55 <jorendc> so 20 mins to go
15:14:50 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
15:14:57 <jmadero> dammit meetbot is still busted
15:16:21 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll be back in ~20 minutes or so
15:16:24 <jorendc> ok
15:16:25 <jmadero> going to get that bug count back down to 15
15:16:26 <jorendc> sure :)
15:16:32 <jmadero> I also have to write my last personal statement today
15:16:35 <jmadero> for my "dream school"
15:16:40 <jorendc> ooh nice
15:16:46 <jmadero> then I'm done applying, just waiting now
15:16:49 <jorendc> good luck with that!
15:16:53 <jmadero> but, the first school offered me a great deal
15:16:57 <jmadero> I don't know if I'll pass it up
15:16:59 <jmadero> almost free
15:17:00 <jmadero> :)
15:17:02 <jorendc> :o
15:17:05 <jorendc> that's nice
15:17:09 <jmadero> yeah, unexpected
15:17:21 <jmadero> private schools here are about 42000 a year
15:17:29 <jorendc> lol
15:17:33 <jmadero> so it was nice to know that I won't have to go into debt;)
15:17:38 <jmadero> okay I'll be back
15:17:46 <jorendc> I know that it costs ridiculous amounts of money in US
15:17:57 <jorendc> :p
15:18:05 <jorendc> see you
15:18:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59764] unable to set different data paths in Writer and Spreadsheet
15:25:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a maximal number of arguments for functions
15:39:48 <jmadero> jorendc: hi hi
15:39:58 <jorendc> jmadero: welcome back:)
15:45:33 <jmadero> still can't open this damn file https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805
15:45:38 <IZBot> bug 58805: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED Report builder: Wrong date and time in report page header footer
15:46:52 <jorendc> mmh
15:48:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59766] docx import switches all content font to greek/cyrillic characters in Symbol font || [Bug 59767] Too wide size of windows
15:49:51 <jorendc> jmadero: me neither
15:55:38 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll test on W7 tonight
15:55:52 <jorendc> oh ok :)
15:56:12 <jmadero> has RC2 been released?
15:56:17 <jorendc> jmadero: the US goverment is working on Linux?
15:56:18 <jmadero> lol I never know since I'm always on master
15:56:31 <jorendc> They are building right
15:56:32 <jmadero> where'd you read that?
15:56:36 <jorendc> stringfreeze was monday
15:56:38 <jmadero> maybe server side, not in offices
15:56:51 <jmadero> we're on XP
15:56:57 <jorendc> jmadero: on what computer are you working now then?
15:57:23 <jorendc> jmadero: I always thought you're testing with Bodhi at work
15:57:28 <jorendc> or is that you're own laptop :p?
15:58:49 <jmadero> laptop
15:58:53 <jmadero> connected to my phone for net
15:59:10 <jorendc> aaah :)
15:59:27 <jmadero> -1
15:59:59 <jorendc> NOOOOOOOH :s :'( :'( ... I need to download bibisect40 all over
16:00:01 <jorendc> :p
16:03:07 <jmadero> haha
16:05:54 <jorendc> lol :p If you want to be broke: download bibisect40 via your phone :D
16:18:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59768] : Rounded corners on rectangles aren't saved
16:26:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: After clicking a hyperlink to a macro, is there a way to move the selected cell to where the hyperlink location is? || Simplifying the setting for installation language
16:40:16 <jmadero> jorendc: get bibisect downloaded?
16:40:28 <jorendc> jmadero: welcome back :D
16:40:31 <jorendc> jmadero: 46%
16:40:41 <jmadero> man we really need better mirrors
16:40:45 <jorendc> @ 800 kb/sec
16:40:50 <jorendc> 37 min to go :p
16:40:51 <jmadero> ah that's not bad
16:40:59 <jorendc> no :p
16:41:05 <jorendc> but not fast either ;-)
16:41:21 <jorendc> I can download 3.1MB/sec
16:41:33 <jorendc> so that's roughly 3 times faster
16:41:52 <jorendc> but, I'm happy you only need to download that once :)
16:42:40 <jmadero> what is the stylist?
16:43:40 <jorendc> list of styles :p?
16:43:45 <jorendc> F11 ..?
16:43:49 <jmadero> yout hink so?
16:44:30 <jmadero> hm can't figure this out fdo#38179
16:44:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium REOPENED FORMATTING UI - Stylist should remember previous settings https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38179
16:46:53 <jmadero> figured it out
16:47:11 <jorendc> still reading :p
16:47:54 <jmadero> it's confirmed :)
16:47:55 <jorendc> isn't that the list at the bottom of "styles and formatting" :p?
16:49:01 <jmadero> yeah, bibisecting now
16:52:13 <jmadero> my bibisect 3.6 is completely broken
16:52:16 <jmadero> not sure why
16:52:27 <jorendc> mm :s
16:52:47 <jorendc> but for this bug you need bibisect40 ...
16:52:49 <jorendc> not :p?
16:53:59 <jmadero> I have 40 working fine
16:54:05 <jorendc> :)
16:54:06 <jmadero> just for older regressions I can't bibisect any more
16:54:11 <jorendc> oh yeah :)
16:54:22 <jorendc> mmh, now I remember ... I need to download that again too :p
16:54:55 <jorendc> but YES :D that's not that big
16:56:32 <jmadero> DANGIT
16:56:37 <jmadero> lol I always screw up bibisect in the last step
16:58:41 <jorendc> haha
16:58:42 <jorendc> that sucks
16:58:44 <jorendc> but wait
16:58:49 <jorendc> I think you can finish it right away
16:58:56 <jorendc> just do something random
16:59:04 <jorendc> and then 'git bisect log'
16:59:08 <jorendc> then you can see the result
16:59:19 <jorendc> copy that result to a text document
16:59:38 <jmadero> lol almost back to that point ;)
16:59:40 <jorendc> and you can follow all steps in the log (it's chronologic)
16:59:47 <jmadero> I'm going to ask Bjoern to do a "reverse" step
16:59:52 <jmadero> like "oops I screwed up, go back!"
17:00:04 <jorendc> and then you can git bisect good/bad until last step :)
17:02:36 <moggi> jorendc: read http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-bisect.html about how to revert errors
17:04:48 <jmadero> that would be to me moggi ;)
17:05:02 <jorendc> oh nice :)
17:05:09 <jorendc> git replay that-file
17:07:32 <jorendc> jmadero: marking that bug as a regression or not?
17:07:42 <jmadero> yeah just attached bibisect
17:12:34 <jmadero> jorendc: ideas? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59761&list_id=214600
17:12:43 <IZBot> bug 59761: LibreOffice-Writer minor/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING Applying language to all text creates multiple Undo actions
17:13:50 <jorendc> jmadero: I know how to produce the steps :-)
17:13:58 <jmadero> nice
17:14:01 <jorendc> I'll take that one
17:14:24 <jorendc> and I'm looking in the mean time to your bibisect log :)
17:14:39 <jmadero> moggi: you have just a minute or two?
17:14:49 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
17:14:52 <moggi> jmadero: yes, code is just compiling
17:14:53 <jorendc> a week or 2 ago I worked with that "styles and formatting"
17:15:05 <jmadero> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59710&list_id=214600
17:15:07 <jmadero> that one is above me ;)
17:15:14 <IZBot> bug 59710: LibreOffice-sdk normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : CLI bridge (.NET) if both OOo 2.4.0 (and above?) and LibreOffice (any version) are installed
17:15:37 <jmadero> jorendc: that'd be a bit funny if you broke the code ;)
17:15:44 <jmadero> (funny in a not funny but laugh later kind of way)
17:15:45 <jmadero> :)
17:15:48 <jorendc> jmadero: no I didn't YET :p...
17:15:52 <jorendc> not reviewed ...
17:16:00 <jmadero> jorendc: nice ;)
17:16:16 <jorendc> hehe :D
17:16:27 <jorendc> maybe afterwards I broke it ... but not yet ;-)
17:16:51 <moggi> I'd close it as WONTFIX, the requirements already mention that OOo and LibO won't work in parallel
17:17:08 <jorendc> jmadero: yeps, bug is reproducible
17:17:09 <moggi> that is just one more incarnation of the general problem
17:17:33 <jmadero> moggi: what general problem?
17:18:26 <moggi> that with a full installation several OOo/Libo installations are conflicting
17:18:44 <jmadero> moggi: so dupe of another bug or leave it as NEW as itself
17:20:19 <jorendc> jmadero: that previous bug you bibisected ... the problem is 'F11' -> select a list type (hierarchical for example) -> close -> F11 -> back to default list?
17:20:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59767] Page Format dialog too wide in Polish localization || [Bug 59770] TABLE Writer pastes Word table in HTML format
17:20:41 <jmadero> jorendc: yes
17:20:46 <jorendc> ok :)
17:22:14 <jmadero> jorendc: what is command to see list of patches in bibisect?
17:22:16 <jmadero> after you do log
17:22:34 <jorendc> git log <good>..<bad>
17:22:49 <jorendc> (2 dots between good and bad)
17:22:55 <jmadero> sweet, is that on the wiki?
17:22:57 <jorendc> and you need to use the 'hash-code'
17:23:01 <jorendc> no
17:23:08 <jorendc> but I can remember you said that to me :p
17:23:20 <jorendc> so I learned that from you xd
17:23:28 <jmadero> then I forgot ;)
17:24:47 <jorendc> jmadero: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e2a2d14d3932267e2f73d47b7990bf1cef599a92
17:24:50 <IZBot> core - Convert SV_DECL_PTRARR_DEL(StyleTreeArr_Impl) to std::vector
17:25:13 <jorendc> so far I know is that the bad commit (but because I'm not a core dev or experienced at all :p
17:25:14 <jmadero> jorendc: we need to add that to the wiki
17:25:20 <jorendc> it's just a shot in the air
17:25:25 <jmadero> put a pointer in the comment ;)
17:25:25 <jorendc> jmadero: agree
17:25:30 <jmadero> and ping the dev who made that
17:27:19 <jorendc> I'll take a look first by myself :p
17:27:51 <jorendc> a previous bug I pinged the dev and fixed an half houre later the bug :p
17:29:23 <jmadero> jorendc: so on this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=73448
17:29:30 <jmadero> what would I do for the correct patch list
17:29:34 <jmadero> (exact line of code)
17:30:02 <jorendc> I use cgit :-) (see range link in the previous bug)
17:30:05 <jmadero> and you are doing git bisect start latest oldest yes?
17:30:13 <jorendc> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/
17:30:24 <jorendc> you have a search field in the right upper corner
17:30:28 <jorendc> 'log msg'
17:30:33 <jorendc> change that to 'range'
17:30:46 <jmadero> but what do you use for <BAD>..<GOOD>
17:30:54 <jmadero> when you do git log
17:30:59 <jorendc> ec7d01ea25190e36518df830ed84b791b2417e2e
17:31:01 <jorendc> = good
17:31:07 <jorendc> bad = 5655f1571312ca27537c9c147c69d6431986b76d
17:31:13 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=ec7d01ea25190e36518df830ed84b791b2417e2e in a couple of minutes
17:31:16 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5655f1571312ca27537c9c147c69d6431986b76d in a couple of minutes
17:31:20 <jorendc> and the first you set is 'good'
17:31:31 <jorendc> because a range = <oldest>..<newest>
17:31:42 <jorendc> and because it's a regression... the oldest one is <good>
17:31:46 <jorendc> newest one is bad
17:32:28 <jmadero> why not good = 65fd30f5cb4cdd37995a33420ed8273c0a29bf00
17:32:34 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=65fd30f5cb4cdd37995a33420ed8273c0a29bf00 in a couple of minutes
17:33:55 <jorendc> because that isn't the last good in the list
17:34:08 <jorendc> you know how bisect work?
17:34:19 <jmadero> yeah ;) I understand now
17:34:19 <jmadero> haha
17:34:21 <jorendc> it splits every time it's range
17:34:27 <jmadero> not sure why I was getting confused
17:34:56 <jorendc> so you have a range from 1 to 100; you checkout first 1, then 100
17:35:10 <jorendc> then 50... and you say for example 'good'
17:35:14 <jorendc> so you jump to 75
17:35:19 <jorendc> but that's also good...
17:35:28 <jmadero> yeah :)
17:35:37 <jorendc> :-) so you don't want to use 50 ... but 75 instead
17:35:55 <jmadero> thanks
17:36:01 <jmadero> I really want to deal with this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57464
17:36:06 <IZBot> bug 57464: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED RTF Copying across paragraphs creates broken ANSI content
17:36:13 <jorendc> no problem ;-)
17:36:22 <moggi> jmadero: I'd mark the bug WONTFIX but that is just my opinion
17:36:33 <jorendc> Copy a non-ASCII text spanning several paragraphs in Writer
17:36:40 <jorendc> ... euh ... non-ASCII
17:36:45 <jorendc> what can I understand under that :D
17:36:56 <jmadero> moggi: so it is intended that our install breaks AOO?
17:37:00 <jorendc> arabic?
17:37:17 <jmadero> no clue, but it's our oldest unconfirmed bug
17:37:26 <moggi> jmadero: yes
17:37:36 <jmadero> ..lol, we shouldn't announce that ;)
17:38:12 <moggi> jmadero: it is a known problem, they register nearly the same and use to some degree the same values
17:39:32 <moggi> jmadero: see http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201301.mbox/%3C20130123001330.GB361%40localhost%3E for similar problems ;)
17:39:59 <jmadero> moggi: but if we're saying "problem" then WONTFIX seems like a strange status, vs. duplicate
17:40:02 <jmadero> and just saying we know it's an issue
17:40:23 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm tempted to ping Urmas one more time about this one
17:40:28 <jmadero> but...he's such an ass (sorry for language)
17:40:29 <jmadero> lol
17:40:37 <jmadero> I'm "scared" he'll just call me an idiot
17:40:42 <jorendc> lol :p
17:40:46 <jorendc> I'll do :-)
17:40:54 <jmadero> haha okay, braver man than myself
17:41:15 <jorendc> I'm Belgian :D
17:41:29 <moggi> jmadero: what is the value in marking a bug NEW when you know you will not fix it anyway
17:41:50 <jorendc> you know julius caeser said that the belgians are the braves people of the world ;-) (haha :p I'm not kidding he writed that down)
17:42:08 <jorendc> moggi: RESOLVED WONTFIX I think..
17:47:43 <jorendc> jmadero: funfact : https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar#Sourced
17:47:54 <jorendc> Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
17:47:54 <jorendc> Of all these, the Belgae are the bravest/strongest .
17:48:10 <jorendc> Caesar suffered his greatest military defeat at the hands of the Belgae, the humiliation reaching Rome, and infuriating the man who then set out on one of Rome's biggest campaigns to crush the Republic's most feared rebels once and for all.
17:48:18 <jorendc> <sorry for the spam xD >
17:51:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59772] LibreOffice Writer takes a long time to convert images on the clipboard to rich text (RTF) format
17:52:34 <jorendc> why do people use RTF?
17:52:41 <jorendc> use ODT xD
18:06:32 <jmadero> lol agreed
18:07:20 <jmadero> jorendc: thoughts https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59270&list_id=214681
18:07:23 <jmadero> I can't reproduce
18:07:24 <IZBot> bug 59270: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Page margin changes unexpectedly on page two (regression)
18:08:21 <jorendc> let me check
18:08:48 <jmadero> I think you are QA star of the month
18:08:50 <jmadero> ;)
18:08:56 <jorendc> which margins
18:09:00 <jorendc> lol no I'm not xD
18:10:45 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce (visually)
18:11:00 <jorendc> I checked it by looking at the rulers (top and side)
18:11:21 <jorendc> same behavior, not wider/smaller
18:11:52 <jmadero> okay I'm closing as WFM
18:13:01 <jorendc> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#Writer
18:13:02 <jorendc> jmadero:
18:13:34 <jorendc> there is a new feature to writer that you can set a different header/footer for the first page
18:13:36 <jorendc> Allow different header and footer on the first page without using a separate page style. For more details, see this blog entry. (Mikl�ajna)
18:13:39 <jorendc> (see link above)
18:13:48 <jorendc> so maybe it's related to that
18:13:59 <jmadero> but we'd see the same result
18:14:01 <jmadero> and we don't
18:14:30 <jorendc> true
18:15:08 <jmadero> this guy who is reporting cdr import problems is awesome, his bug reports are always easy to follow
18:15:12 <jmadero> and so far all reproducible
18:15:57 <jorendc> cdr?
18:16:07 <jmadero> correl draw
18:16:14 <jorendc> oh yeah :-)
18:16:27 <jorendc> same guy as diffpdf...
18:16:34 <jorendc> :p
18:16:35 <jmadero> lol ....great
18:16:36 <jmadero> hahaha
18:16:45 <jorendc> you didn't know that :D
18:16:47 <jorendc> ?
18:17:11 <jorendc> or you're now talking about another bug?
18:17:14 <jmadero> no I didn't know
18:17:22 <jmadero> with diffpdf he just seems to particular
18:17:32 <jmadero> at least he doesn't argue with me when I set priority low on cdr bugs
18:17:49 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59270&list_id=214681 -> this reporter is same reporter as diffpdf's
18:17:54 <jorendc> :D
18:17:55 <jorendc> true
18:17:55 <IZBot> bug 59270: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED WORKSFORME EDITING: Page margin changes unexpectedly on page two (regression)
18:18:26 <jmadero> ah that's a different person ;)
18:18:28 <jmadero> than the cdr bugs
18:18:52 <jorendc> oh ok ;-)
18:19:00 <jorendc> my bad
18:21:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59773] LibreOffice writer crashes and locks file
18:28:12 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59594&list_id=214681
18:28:17 <IZBot> bug 59594: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Misplaced checkbox on settings dialog (german localization)
18:28:28 <jorendc> can't reproduce
18:28:35 <jorendc> see fdo#59595
18:28:40 <jorendc> and fdo#59596
18:28:41 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium RESOLVED WORKSFORME Java Dialog, Listbox hides Checkboxes https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59595
18:28:44 <jorendc> all quite related
18:28:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED misplaced Checkbox https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59596
18:31:37 <jorendc> I'm trying to fix that bug with the styles
18:36:55 <jmadero> jorendc: nice
18:37:00 <jmadero> you located the code?
18:42:46 <jorendc> not yet
18:44:57 <jmadero> back down to 18 bugs
18:47:55 <jorendc> nice :)
18:48:29 <jorendc> jmadero: found it :-)
18:48:45 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/diff/core/sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx?r2=%2Fcore%2Fsfx2%2Fsource%2Fdialog%2Ftempldlg.cxx%40e2a2d14d3932267e2f73d47b7990bf1cef599a92&r1=%2Fcore%2Fsfx2%2Fsource%2Fdialog%2Ftempldlg.cxx%407c704c78d3c652504c064b4ac7af55a2c1ee49bb
18:48:51 <jorendc> scroll to rule 1776
18:49:30 <jmadero> jorendc: awesome!
18:49:38 <jorendc> :)
18:49:39 <jmadero> you're becoming a pretty nifty dev :)
18:49:43 <jorendc> haha
18:49:48 <jmadero> I'm afraid QA team is going to lose a member to the dev team ;)
18:49:49 <jmadero> haha
18:49:59 <jorendc> I know it's THERE :p but that wouldn't say I can solve it
18:50:33 <jorendc> jmadero: don't be afraid ;-) I'll stay at the QA team :D
18:52:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59767] Page Format dialog too wide in Polish localization - Button Size Dependent on Longest String
18:53:48 <jmadero> Petr has joined in on our REOPENED bug status conversation
18:53:55 <jmadero> lol every issue becomes such a big debate ;)
18:54:28 <jorendc> :p
18:54:30 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/diff/core/sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx?r2=%2Fcore%2Fsfx2%2Fsource%2Fdialog%2Ftempldlg.cxx%4001e6c68e0a182ff5cb783f896ed832b58b7a1d76&r1=%2Fcore%2Fsfx2%2Fsource%2Fdialog%2Ftempldlg.cxx%407bf761e85d65c66dc12c49de187ef2952d3f43a4
18:54:42 <jorendc> I'm not following it anymore
18:54:59 <jorendc> I'll read the whole thread all in once before QA call :p
18:55:07 <jorendc> (if I can be present)
18:55:34 <jmadero_> freenode acting strange again
18:56:36 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30917 ...
18:56:40 <IZBot> bug 30917: LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium REOPENED Styles and Formatting window does not remember hierarchical view
18:56:59 <jorendc> Reopened one : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38179
18:57:03 <IZBot> bug 38179: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW FORMATTING UI - Stylist should remember previous settings
18:57:03 <jorendc> so ... they are duplicate :p
18:57:15 <jorendc> I'll look at both after my diner
18:57:18 <jorendc> (will be back)
18:57:43 <jmadero_> that is a dupe for sure
19:14:16 <jorendc> back
19:21:02 <jmadero_> 15 bugs left :)
19:24:45 <jorendc> :D nice
19:29:15 <jmadero_> that was the goal for today, now time to develop a bit
19:30:59 <jorendc> hehe
19:31:03 <jorendc> what are you developing :D?
19:40:58 <jmadero_> stupid help button missing
19:41:06 <jmadero_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48086
19:41:16 <IZBot> bug 48086: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium ASSIGNED UI: Menu 'Insert Animated Image' Animation dialog has no Help button
19:43:55 <jorendc> jmadero_: what help buttons :p?
19:44:20 <jorendc> jmadero_: I didn't see any on other dialogs (except if I'm just blind and don't see it)
19:44:48 <jmadero_> it's missing
19:44:50 <jmadero_> I need to make one
19:45:00 <jmadero_> and link it to the help content that I guess already exists
19:46:15 <jorendc> yeah, but I can't remember I see on other dialogs one ...
19:46:29 <jmadero_> I can't even find the dialog (how it is being called)
19:46:30 <jorendc> so ... how is the help button look like :p
19:46:34 <jmadero_> usually I can find them by string searches
19:46:40 <jmadero_> (good question) haha
19:46:46 <jmadero_> I'll worry about that after I find the code
19:47:21 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/icon-themes/industrial/TODO#65
19:47:35 <jmadero_> crap it looks like a shared dialog
19:47:38 <jorendc> that's on the todo list for a long time ago :D
19:48:17 <jorendc> never mind; I was wrong :p
19:51:35 <jmadero_> narrowing it down
19:51:35 <jmadero_> :)
19:51:35 <jmadero_> it gets so confusing with the extensions, sometimes it's hxx, sometimes it's src, sometimes it's ui
19:52:36 <jmadero_> bingo http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/dlg/animobjs.src
19:54:08 <jorendc> indeed :p
19:54:10 <jorendc> nice
19:54:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59774] Crash on opening or saving ods or html v 3.5.4.2 (Kubuntu 12.04)
20:12:48 <jorendc> pfff, I can't get any clue how that box is builded :D (except for the part I already changed a week ago or so)
20:16:09 <jorendc> some values are '-1' because of they start with 1 and need to convert to a list that start with 0
20:16:23 <jorendc> and the other way around :p
20:24:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59775] Character width scaling does not work
20:30:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Distorted impress pages when saved as pptx || impress not able to open Microsoft Powerpoint file
20:54:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59776] Writer can't find 'odd' font sizes || [Bug 59778] FORMATTING: conditional formatting don't show preview of selected style after opening file
21:04:24 <jorendc> hey ertai_NL
21:05:31 <jmadero> jorendc: sorry had a meeting
21:05:38 <jorendc> jmadero: no problem
21:05:53 <jorendc> jmadero: ... you know anything about flags/debug or so?
21:06:06 <jorendc> I would like to put in some functions a 'flag'
21:06:28 <jorendc> so I can see while running or that function is runned/passed
21:06:34 <jorendc> you know or that's possible?
21:06:36 <jmadero> no I don't know about that stuff at all
21:06:39 <jmadero> yeah it is possible
21:06:41 <jmadero> with gdb
21:06:48 <jmadero> but I don't know how to
21:07:19 <jorendc> ok thanks :-)
21:07:51 <jmadero> sorry Im no help
21:07:52 <jmadero> :)
21:11:02 <jorendc> :d no problem :D
21:12:51 <jorendc> pfff, I can't get a clue about that 'formatting and styles' thing
21:13:07 <jorendc> the only thing I know it's complex :D
21:13:42 <jmadero> lol 95% of the stuff in our code is complex
21:14:11 <jorendc> :D for me ... yes :D
21:26:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59779] Double click on page style name in Styles and Formatting does not work
21:30:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: formatting field: file name || Print output cut off - legal vs letter
21:32:07 <moggi> jorendc: you can do that with gdb's breakpoints
21:32:32 <jorendc> moggi: yes, I read about it; thanks
21:32:46 <jorendc> moggi: but is it also possible to see what the values are?
21:33:08 <moggi> jorendc: sure, use p variablename
21:33:30 <jorendc> moggi: oh ok :-)... if it's that simple :D
21:33:52 <jorendc> moggi: so only set breakpoints on the rule number I would like to check a variablename (because that's what I would like to do)
21:35:19 <moggi> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdarkdust.net%2Ffiles%2FGDB%2520Cheat%2520Sheet.pdf&ei=_FQAUaWWJ4b24QSQ4oH4Bg&usg=AFQjCNHCDpbVUfxmJyacITfnesZ0PKBKqg&sig2=ycgjZbOes2zg-FXH9u4_Rw&bvm=bv.41248874,d.bGE&cad=rja
21:38:12 <jorendc> thanks :)
21:44:15 <jmadero> seriously you can see variable names....
21:44:20 <jmadero> that would have made my life a lot easier
21:44:26 <jmadero> vs. 10,000 opengrok searches
21:47:01 <moggi> in tui code you also see the source code that you are debugging
21:53:19 <jorendc> moggi: I think I don't get it 100%
21:53:25 <jorendc> I start gdb
21:53:38 <jorendc> break /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1596
21:53:53 <jorendc> but then I got the message break /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1596
21:54:27 <jorendc> No source file named /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx.
21:56:02 <jmadero> moggi: how do I link a button to a help topic?
21:57:28 <jmadero> jorendc: just about done with this patch ;)
21:58:55 <jorendc> jmadero: nice
21:59:09 <jorendc> I'm still not 1 step further :s
22:01:09 <moggi> jorendc: if the code is not yet loaded you need a pending breakpoint
22:01:55 <jorendc> moggi: I did
22:01:58 <moggi> jmadero: depending on wether you have an old kind or new kind of dialog you have to use different ways for help ids
22:02:06 <moggi> jorendc: then just run the code
22:02:23 <jorendc> and when I load soffice and do everything ... nothing happens :p
22:02:50 <jorendc> (and I'm 99% sure this script is runned at that location minimum once)
22:03:20 <jorendc> (gdb) clear
22:03:21 <jorendc> No source file specified.
22:03:33 <moggi> jorendc: set the breakpoint again
22:03:47 <moggi> if it is not hit you are most likely wrong with your assumption
22:10:00 <jmadero> moggi: how do I know if it's an old dialog or new one
22:10:08 <jmadero> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48086
22:10:10 <IZBot> bug 48086: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium ASSIGNED UI: Menu 'Insert Animated Image' Animation dialog has no Help button
22:10:43 <moggi> jmadero: is the dialog defined in a src file or a ui file
22:10:45 <moggi> ?
22:11:02 <jmadero> moggi: src
22:11:29 <moggi> jmadero: the old dialog
22:12:01 <jmadero> moggi: so what is the proper way to make it call on the help
22:12:05 <jmadero> (thanks by the way)
22:12:13 <jmadero> I have the button there, says "Help" and all of that, but needs to actually do something;)
22:12:26 <moggi> jmadero: use the HelpID property inside the src file
22:12:46 <jmadero> moggi: and then do I have to add something to cxx to make it open the help stuff?
22:13:40 <moggi> jmadero: no, you need either an existing help id or define a new help id and all that is necessary for it
22:13:46 <jorendc> moggi: ... not's :p my assumptions are correct... I just set a breakpoint at the initialisation for that list :p
22:13:50 <jorendc> no break
22:14:47 <moggi> jorendc: I never saw gdb miss a breakpoint so there must be some error on your side ;) which one is hard to tell from here
22:15:25 <jorendc> I'm sure it's an error from my side :p
22:15:40 <jorendc> moggi: I need to define the path to the file?
22:15:55 <jorendc> like:  break /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1596
22:16:10 <jorendc> or only: break templdlg.cxx:rulenumber
22:16:40 <moggi> jorendc: as long as there is no conflict the normal file name is enough
22:17:23 <jorendc> ok
22:17:27 <jorendc> lets try that :p
22:17:41 <jorendc> moggi: and why I can't just 'clear'?
22:17:49 <jorendc> moggi: No source file specified.
22:18:03 <jorendc> (I think I did something quite wrong :p
22:18:36 <jorendc> (sorry I'm disturbing you with this kind of nooby questions)
22:18:48 <moggi> jorendc: what is the output of info breakpoints
22:20:02 <jorendc> 1       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1596
22:20:02 <jorendc> 2       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  FilterSelect
22:20:02 <jorendc> 3       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1596
22:20:02 <jorendc> 4       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:1207
22:20:02 <jorendc> 5       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:778
22:20:02 <jorendc> 6       breakpoint     keep y   <PENDING>  /sfx2/source/dialog/templdlg.cxx:745
22:20:13 <jorendc> moggi
22:21:14 <jmadero> I hate help files haha
22:21:31 <moggi> jmadero: so these are all pending breakpoints
22:21:38 <moggi> did you call run or attach?
22:21:56 <jorendc> run
22:22:28 <moggi> hmm why are the breakpoints then still pending?
22:22:29 <jmadero> moggi: those were from jorendc
22:22:29 <jmadero> ;)
22:22:40 <jorendc> and yes they are; because when I try to 'clear'...
22:22:47 <jorendc> No source file specified
22:23:21 <moggi> jorendc: as soon as the debug information for the source files have been loaded they should no longer be pending
22:24:03 <jorendc> indeed
22:24:22 <jorendc> I was thinking that too
22:30:10 <jmadero> I can't find one bloody example of how help works in src file, lol
22:31:38 <jorendc> lol
22:32:19 <moggi> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sc/source/ui/src/optdlg.src#81
22:32:28 <moggi> see the HelpID
22:33:05 <jmadero> moggi: I found the link https://help.libreoffice.org/Impress/Animation
22:33:09 <jmadero> that's what I want help to be linked to
22:33:37 <jmadero> but I don't know how to get the whole cui: .... the whole help id part of it ;)
22:34:20 <jmadero> also I don't understand why a help button pulls up a browser but every one of the items have a helpid
22:34:27 <jmadero> (so what triggers it to call on help when you click on the button)
22:38:18 <jorendc> I think I need to give up this search/bug
22:38:22 <jmadero> moggi: so I'm thinking I have to add the button here: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/dlg/animobjs.src
22:38:23 <jorendc> :p
22:38:26 <jmadero> which I already did
22:39:09 <jmadero> moggi: http://pastebin.com/EjHkHRWy, I have a helpid there but when I click the button "Help" nothing happens
23:17:08 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm done for the day :)
23:17:17 <jmadero> I officially hate buttons, help, src files
23:17:18 <jmadero> haha
23:17:23 <jmadero> take it easy
23:30:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Make A draw page Transparent
00:00:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Now using LibreOffice: Need help with files created in OpenOffice.
00:03:12 <jorendc> moggi: sorry I'm disturbing you again; You remembered I add a close button to the 'findbar' and that I need to add an Icon to the 'Galaxy' theme folder because that's the default folder for icons?
00:03:28 <moggi> jorendc: yes
00:03:43 <jorendc> moggi: I now have installed latest master on my Mac OSX, and there is no button but only the text 'quit search'
00:04:01 <jorendc> moggi: (or something like that; only text, no button as in Linux)
00:04:33 <jorendc> that button-magic-script only use galaxy for Linux or so? Or did I missed something else?
00:04:36 <moggi> jorendc: did you clean the user profile?
00:04:54 <jorendc> moggi: on my mac? no I didn't
00:05:02 <moggi> jorendc: no, the galaxy icon theme is the default icon theme for everything
00:05:07 <jorendc> but I didn't build it on my mac
00:05:12 <jorendc> I downloaded it from the server
00:05:13 <moggi> and did you use a self build version or not?
00:05:29 <moggi> try to delete your user profile
00:05:37 <jorendc> moggi: Ok :-), thanks
00:05:43 * jorendc staring Mac OSX
00:09:42 <jorendc> moggi: I appreciate your help very much :-). Thanks for helping me every time
00:25:05 <jorendc> moggi: nops, clean install and user profile completely deleted -> still 'quit search' where the icon normally stand
00:25:26 <moggi> jorendc: then I have no idea anymore
00:25:33 <jorendc> moggi: Ok thanks, no problem :)
00:25:47 <jorendc> moggi: you know somebody who'll know (about Mac osx and icons etc)
00:26:54 <moggi> jorendc: maybe thorsten
00:27:16 <jorendc> ok, thanks
00:31:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: MS Word Endnote in-text citations deleted upon import into LibreOffice
01:03:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59782] undefined: Crash when I try to open the font list
02:35:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59767] Page Format dialog too wide in Polish localization
04:32:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can I force a particular application to open a file? || File sizes when saving in .xls format
06:32:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Docx generated using content control not compatible with libre office
07:02:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What is the best format in Impress for compatability with MS Office 2010?
07:32:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I make the draw page background transparent?
08:33:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Permission to use the icon
09:03:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Console App to convert to text file
09:15:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59787] opened pdf file is a mess || [Bug 59788] FILEOPEN: Open XML files
09:45:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59791] Need cursor position (lines and columns) displayed in status bar || [Bug 59793] Hard-coded strings in the Compress Graphics dialog
10:03:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Convert CSV to XLSX from console
10:33:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Borders are thicker than in Excel
10:45:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59794] resizing arrow resizes different arrow
11:16:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59797] LibreLogo: toolbar has name "add on 1" or something similar || [Bug 59796] LibreLogo : Writer starts with toolbar for LibreLogo visible || [Bug 59798] CONFIGURATION: Wrong Version info 4.0 .0.2
12:08:11 <jorendc> JBFaure: ping
12:08:25 <jorendc> JBFaure: regarding https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59779
12:08:28 <IZBot> bug 59779: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW Double click on page style name in Styles and Formatting does not work
12:09:35 <jorendc> step 4: when I double click, how can you see nothing changes? Because in the status bar of Writer it changes to 'landscape' if I click on it..
12:11:34 <JBFaure> jorendc: if you choose a zoom factor "Entire page" you can see that nothing change
12:15:51 <jorendc> JBFaure: ok thanks, I'll try again
12:18:06 <JBFaure> jorendc: I guess it is only the view that is not updated, but the user might think that the style has not been applied.
12:18:50 <jorendc> I see
12:19:07 <jorendc> JBFaure: I only have master 4.1 and 4.0.0.1 installed right now
12:19:22 <jorendc> I'm downloading 3.6.4 so I can see :-) (bibisect is downloading)
12:21:32 <JBFaure> jorendc: For me, it works as expected in 3.6 branch : view updated as soon as you double-click on the style name in Styles and Formatting.
12:21:53 <jorendc> JBFaure: ok thanks :-) I'll try in some mintues
12:28:45 <jorendc> JBFaure: yes, I can reproduce ;-). thanks for reporting; I'm downloading bibisect right now, so I'll try to bibisect it
12:31:40 <pje335_NL> eeh sorry that i interupt but what is bibisect?
12:34:13 <jorendc> pje335_NL: bibisect is a huge package of libreoffice installs
12:34:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to edit or delete captions in writer?
12:34:28 <pje335_NL> ow oke
12:34:30 <jorendc> and bibisect stands for binary bisect ... that's a method
12:34:43 <pje335_NL> ow oke
12:37:37 <pje335_NL> so whit that you can find out were that bug is in the code
12:37:42 <pje335_NL> ?
12:38:34 <pje335_NL> but i need to go the my next lesson math so no Mac using that just old books :(
12:38:39 <jorendc> pje335_NL: yes, we get a range of commits then; 64 commits to be precise... :)
12:38:46 <pje335_NL> :)
12:38:47 <jorendc> pje335_NL: :p okay
12:38:49 <pje335_NL> thx
12:38:50 <jorendc> pje335_NL: good luck
12:39:02 <pje335_NL> thx1+1=2:)
12:39:11 <jorendc> pje335_NL: good, you passed!
12:39:15 <jorendc> pje335_NL: up to next class ;-)
12:39:19 <pje335_NL> bye
12:39:22 <jorendc> bye
12:48:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59799] FILEOPEN: docx: wrong page break || [Bug 59800] FILEOPEN: docx: Smartart problems
13:04:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to delete captions in writer?
13:18:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59801] EDITING: enhancement request: add information on how to edit (=change) caption text and how to delete captions completely || [Bug 59802] Impress FILEOPEN: PPTX with GroupedList SmartArt does rendered correctly || [Bug 59803] LibreOffice steals focus from other applications after startup
13:49:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59804] About Paste serious problems
13:51:30 <jorendc> pje335_NL: hi :-). how was math class?
13:52:56 <pje335_NL> ow not that intrasting
13:53:13 <jorendc> pje335_NL: :p what are you studying?
13:53:29 <pje335_NL> wel i am just 15 so i am on high school
13:54:02 <jorendc> pje335_NL: Oh ok :-). So you're at secundary school :-)
13:54:14 <pje335_NL> secundary school yes
13:54:17 <pje335_NL> 3e grade
13:54:25 <jorendc> nice nice :-)
13:54:48 <jorendc> pje335_NL: so you're learning about geometrics with math (in Belgium we did at 3th grade)
13:55:11 <pje335_NL> now we are learing the 'abc-formule'
13:55:19 <jorendc> pythagoras :-)
13:55:23 <jorendc> ooh, interesting
13:55:35 <jorendc> and first and second grade functions etc?
13:55:44 <pje335_NL> yes
13:55:59 <jorendc> I remember that :p; that was only 5 years ago for me ;-)
13:56:46 <jorendc> so 15 years, and hanging out in an opensource channel :-)
13:56:50 <jorendc> that's very nice
13:57:18 <pje335_NL> yes in need to do something in the borting lesson
13:57:28 <jorendc> hehe :)
13:57:57 <jorendc> so you're interesting helping the QA team and try to help report/confirm bugs etc?
13:58:06 <pje335_NL> maby
13:58:19 <pje335_NL> maybe*
13:58:41 <jorendc> very good :-). We can certainly use another 2 hands
13:58:45 <pje335_NL> i don't know alod of these thing
13:59:10 <jorendc> pje335_NL: no need to :-)... I'm still learning every day
13:59:22 <jorendc> pje335_NL: but at least ... you know what bibisect is right now ;-)
13:59:22 <pje335_NL> me 2 thats way  iam here and on school
13:59:30 <pje335_NL> yes just a but
13:59:31 <jorendc> pje335_NL: haha :p good point
13:59:51 <pje335_NL> i wil try is wen i am home on my ubutntu vurtial maschine
14:00:03 <pje335_NL> and i need to learn english :)
14:00:22 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I think you English is pretty well!
14:00:32 <pje335_NL> thx
14:00:50 <jorendc> and if you don't understand some things ... I can explain it in Dutch as well (off list, so we don't disturb this channel with our dutch talk)
14:01:24 <pje335_NL> yeah but like 90% i understand or els there is google translate:)
14:32:26 <jorendc> JBFaure: :-) I narrowed the bug down
14:32:54 <jorendc> JBFaure: it's not reproducible on the second page, so I'm pretty sure that's related to miklos' commits
14:33:44 <JBFaure> jorendc: Bravo :-)
14:34:23 <jorendc> I hope he'll take a look :p
14:34:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I order in-document bibliography?
14:36:09 <pje335_NL> yeah the lesson is over and i wil go home and see you i 25 minits
14:36:34 <jorendc> ok pje335_NL :)
14:36:37 <jorendc> safe home
14:56:31 <pje335_NL> back i am
15:01:08 <jorendc> hi jmadero
15:01:15 <jorendc> good morning :-)
15:01:33 <jmadero> jorendc: hey Joren
15:01:42 <jmadero> (just waking up) ;)
15:01:57 <jorendc> jmadero: hehe :D go grab a coffee before the call ;-)
15:02:29 <jmadero> I'm trying to scale back on my sugar intake :)
15:02:42 <jorendc> ooh, no coffee for you then :D
15:03:11 <jorendc> jmadero: I emailed you some interesting stuff
15:04:09 <jorendc> jmadero: and I now send another mail with interesting info as well.
15:04:27 <jmadero> thanks :)
15:04:37 <jorendc> you're welcome
15:04:54 <jmadero> excellent, so you know how to use the bibisect repository now?
15:06:51 <jorendc> not yet
15:07:01 <jorendc> you can't use 'git checkout oldest'
15:07:08 <jorendc> or git checkout latest
15:07:12 <jorendc> so we need to wait for that fix
15:07:19 <jmadero> oh okay
15:07:30 <jorendc> but now you only need to 'pull' and not download every time the full package like bibisect40
15:09:09 <jmadero> and it keeps a max of 50 commits in there?
15:10:39 <jorendc> mmh, they where discussing how many commits
15:10:52 <jorendc> in the bibisect40 it's 64 commits
15:11:04 <jorendc> but I think they are going to lower that
15:13:55 <jmadero> that guy is a real ass
15:14:02 <jmadero> he's pretty much always offensive
15:16:04 <jorendc> yeps :p
15:16:07 <jorendc> I'm going to leave him now
15:16:53 <jorendc> lol, I hope he'll report a bibisectable bug
15:16:59 <jorendc> :p
15:17:55 <jmadero> no clue, don't hold your breath
15:18:16 <IZBot> Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
15:18:18 <jmadero> SOB
15:19:47 <jorendc> lol :p
15:19:52 <jorendc> still borked
15:23:03 <jmadero> haha I'm not sure if I've ever seen someone else use that word haha
15:23:54 <jorendc> jmadero: :p?
15:30:50 <jmadero> lol my cat is so weird, he loves to nibble/suck on fingers
15:31:06 <jmadero> can't type with his mouth trying to bite my finger
15:31:55 <jorendc> haha
15:32:43 <jorendc> if you're trying to type with your cat on your finger... I think someone's head will look weard after several typed sentences :D
15:33:03 <jorendc> *bang**bang**bang* <- head of cat on the keyboard
15:33:55 <jmadero> lol
16:12:10 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you installed ubuntu x64 or so? :-)
16:18:39 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll be back, time for work
16:26:05 <pje335_NL> yes i did
16:26:21 <jorendc> nice
16:26:54 <pje335_NL> it is downloading the 4.1 gb file now
16:27:02 <jorendc> ooh yeah :p
16:27:16 <jorendc> I did this noon (I re-installed my linux mint)
16:27:24 <jorendc> ... that'll take a while to download
16:27:42 <jorendc> but bibisect we can only use for regression bugs
16:27:58 <jorendc> you have any experience with bugzilla and bug reports etc?
16:28:59 <pje335_NL> some
16:29:21 <pje335_NL> and it is download for 30 now just 1.8 gb left
16:29:31 <pje335_NL> 30 min*
16:29:36 <jorendc> ok :-), nice
16:30:00 <jorendc> we have a list of bugs in the topic of this channel
16:30:03 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&list_id=215395
16:30:24 <jorendc> as you'll see these are only 4.0 UNCONFIRMED and REOPENED bugs right now
16:31:03 <jorendc> these bugs are our priority because the release of 4.0 is comming closer and we need to triage them before we'll go look at 3.6 bugs etc
16:31:24 <pje335_NL> yes
16:32:13 <jorendc> which version of LO are you using right now?
16:32:52 <pje335_NL> now i got 4.0.0.2 on mac
16:33:38 <jorendc> ok, good :-)
16:34:13 <jorendc> I just pick a bug out of the list https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59800
16:34:15 <IZBot> bug 59800: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: docx: Smartart problems
16:34:24 <jorendc> so lets try to reproduce it :-)
16:34:34 <pje335_NL> :)
16:38:10 <pje335_NL> well wen i look at the attects pdf file
16:38:34 <pje335_NL> you can see that ms pdf wrong is and not that one from lo
16:39:20 <jorendc> sorry, didn't try it yet :-). One more minute (I have a build-failure)
16:40:42 <jorendc> goddammid, I hope jmadero'll come back fast :p
16:41:00 <jorendc> (I have the same error he had a while ago)
16:41:22 <pje335_NL> ow
16:42:09 <jorendc> mmh pje335_NL I can reproduce his problem (but I'm staring my Mac, so I can test it with 'Word for Mac'
16:42:36 <jorendc> if you open his pdf he created with ms word ... that's the good behavior
16:42:51 <jorendc> so when you open the attached (source) file in LO
16:43:02 <jorendc> I can reproduce his bad behavior
16:43:49 <pje335_NL> ow
16:43:56 <pje335_NL> i faild :(
16:44:19 <jorendc> no worry, but you see?
16:44:29 <pje335_NL> because wen i look at his pdf it looks like that symbols at the ms pdf are smole
16:44:46 <pje335_NL> and at the lo the symcols are big
16:45:10 <pje335_NL> but in the example filt the symbols are big as well
16:45:26 <pje335_NL> example fyle*
16:45:51 <jorendc> mmh, but the bullets etc are gone
16:46:27 <jorendc> if you compare what you see in LO and the pdf he create with MS Word ... you can see that the bullets are missing
16:46:32 <jorendc> the image is huge
16:46:42 <jorendc> text is rotated
16:46:43 <jmadero> Sweetshark: so I have mixed opinions about live meetbot for ESC calls....
16:47:04 <jorendc> hi jmadero ... I'm having some problems building
16:47:16 <jorendc> jmadero: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Build-Error-td4014176i20.html
16:47:28 <jmadero> jorendc: reading now
16:47:35 <jorendc> It seems like you had the same building error :p
16:47:38 <jorendc> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Build-Error-td4014176i20.html
16:47:45 <jorendc> oops wrong paste
16:47:46 <jorendc> when the problem is isolated and fixed, re-run 'make'
16:47:46 <jorendc> make[1]: *** [build-packimages] Error 1
16:47:47 <jorendc> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/joren/core'
16:47:49 <jorendc> make: *** [dev-install] Error 2
16:48:04 <jmadero> lol
16:48:15 <jorendc> jmadero: i unset that thing you said ...
16:48:21 <jorendc> but still that stupid error
16:48:35 <jmadero> I didn't think that you have to unset on Mint
16:48:41 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you see?
16:49:00 <jorendc> jmadero: ... it's also based on Ubuntu ... like bodhi...
16:49:15 <pje335_NL> nope because in the fyle (.docx)  ican't see the buluts so they aren't there in the pdf
16:49:16 <jmadero> yes but it's not a Ubuntu issue it's a LXDM issue
16:49:19 <jmadero> does mint use that?
16:49:49 <jorendc> jmadero: don't know :p
16:50:02 <jorendc> but apperently I'm having the same error :p
16:50:17 <jmadero> but you successfully build on Mint...yesterday?
16:50:22 <jorendc> pje335_NL: ok, so now we can go back to the bug report and confirm it
16:50:31 <jorendc> yes jmadero but I'm building now for a bibisect :-)
16:50:44 <jmadero> ah, could be a bug in bibisect then
16:50:47 <jorendc> see second mail I send you this morning :-)
16:50:52 <pje335_NL> yes i know but i can't reproduse it
16:51:10 <pje335_NL> but i know what i need to do
16:51:13 <jorendc> jmadero:  it's a bisect I run in my core folder
16:51:15 <jorendc> oh ok
16:51:32 <jorendc> pje335_NL: ok :-), sorry for my misunderstanding. I can reproduce, so I'll fill in that bug report
16:52:09 <pje335_NL> oke but i know what to do
16:52:17 <jmadero> jorendc: are you already in the middle of a bisect? or is this first attempt?
16:52:44 <jorendc> first attempt
16:53:00 <jorendc> jmadero: you mean 'git bisect skip' :p?
16:53:03 <jmadero> I still don't understand how to run this, you do "git bisect" inside of master folder?
16:53:11 <jorendc> yes
16:53:28 <jorendc> but 'git bisect <bad-hash> <good-hash>
16:53:37 <jorendc> I first did a bisect using bibisect40
16:53:51 <jmadero> how do you get good-hash and bad-hash without bibisect40?
16:54:03 <jmadero> I thought the point of the repository was to replace bibisect40?
16:54:14 <pje335_NL> i can see you confurmt it and now it is 'NEW'
16:54:21 <jorendc> indeed :p that was my first thought also
16:54:24 <jorendc> but he asked that
16:54:44 <jorendc> so I used the good-hash bad-hash I received from my bibisect 40
16:54:49 <jorendc> and then started :-)
16:54:59 <jmadero> can you give me those
16:55:01 <jorendc> and now I'm 'make dev-install' ... and it's failing
16:55:01 <jmadero> in your example
16:55:03 <jmadero> I'll test it on mine
16:55:03 <Sweetshark> jmadero: I guess so, I hate taking minutes and this saves me a lot of time though.
16:55:19 <jorendc> jmadero: git bisect start e9960f36675a025c0536dec30ae56c50f4adecb1 d18455e24644a90cbf9f146ea8b4eed74180592b
16:55:20 <jmadero> Sweetshark: I'd be more inclined to use another room
16:55:24 <jorendc> pje335_NL: indeed :-)
16:55:29 <IZBot> core - implement a:overrideClrMapping (fixes n#783202) - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=e9960f36675a025c0536dec30ae56c50f4adecb1
16:55:37 <jmadero> Sweetshark: one person in particular was being difficult throwing in comments
16:55:46 <jorendc> and I made a comment I can reproduce bla bla bla with my system information and with what version I tested
16:55:59 <jmadero> Sweetshark: and I can see it now when someone in dev room gets angry at a live convo from ESC and goes and starts a flare was in the mailing list
16:56:11 <jmadero> (one user in particular.....that was quite frustrating)
16:56:15 <jmadero> jorendc: testing now
16:56:56 <jmadero> jorendc: why do you have to do a make-install?
16:57:18 <jorendc> jmadero: I think that's one of the advantages of the bibisect repository
16:57:24 <jorendc> that you don't have to do that
16:57:35 <jmadero> (I'm thoroughly confused) lol
16:57:44 <jorendc> jmadero: miklos told me I need to do that (first mail this morning)
16:58:06 <jorendc> jmadero: see both mails I send you
16:58:18 <jorendc> jmadero: that's from beginning till ending of the conversation I had,
16:58:24 <jmadero> it's going to take me a bit, just sat down at my desk, and I have to stash my changes and what not, give me a few
16:58:45 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :p you have the whole day
17:00:28 <jmadero> jorendc: not really that functional for me, telling me I have to move all these files
17:00:59 <jmadero> jorendc: http://pastebin.com/brL9K9UB
17:01:34 <jorendc> oh euh ...
17:01:36 <jorendc> I don't know :p
17:01:42 <jorendc> I didn't get that error
17:02:11 <jmadero> personally I don't like playing around with my master folder....
17:02:17 <jmadero> I would prefer the repository working
17:02:31 <jorendc> I agree jmadero
17:02:47 <jorendc> and I can do it now, because I have no pending commits right now
17:02:56 <jmadero> I stashed everything
17:03:00 <jmadero> but it still fails to work correctly
17:03:06 <jorendc> jmadero: mmh :s
17:05:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 3.5 Slow Opening Even Blank Documents || calc slow loading when connected to network || Need formulas in Customer database
17:06:17 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm doing a pull to see maybe if I'm out of date
17:06:27 <jorendc> ok :)
17:06:33 <jorendc> I pulled this morning
17:06:34 <jmadero> nope, just can't bisect that way
17:06:42 <jmadero> keeps saying files will be overwritten and to move them
17:06:49 <jorendc> I think me neither ... the one error after the other
17:07:01 <jmadero> might want to ask Bjoern ;) he's the bibisect professional
17:07:05 <jmadero> and creator :)
17:07:21 <jorendc> ping Sweetshark :p?
17:23:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59811] : Molality is spelled wrong?
17:24:12 <jorendc> lol jmadero don't shoot me :p but I yesterday installed for the first time libreoffice on ubuntu (with desktop integration)
17:24:17 <jorendc> I didn't know it was that simple xD
17:24:50 <jmadero> lol
17:26:01 <jorendc> yeps I feel ashamed :D
17:26:18 <jorendc> btw, you saw RC2 is (not officially yet) released?
17:28:46 <jorendc> haha :p http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=585b080046eca4d2bb60c92e5cf6bf5e644e7590 ... that's euh ... a great code-enhancement :p
17:28:50 <IZBot> no match found - might try http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=585b080046eca4d2bb60c92e5cf6bf5e644e7590 in a couple of minutes
17:28:50 <jmadero> lol ashamed, don't feel ashamed
17:29:01 <jmadero> your skills already surpass mine
17:29:11 <jmadero> I am stuck on this piece of junk help file
17:29:58 <jorendc> lol ... that wouldn't say my skills are better ... lets conclude my skills to select easy things from the harder ones :d
17:31:04 <jmadero> lol I thought this help one would be easy
17:31:07 <jmadero> I have the button and everything
17:31:15 <jmadero> just, the button doesn't link right
17:31:17 <jmadero> stupid junk
17:31:20 <jorendc> --with-help maybe?
17:31:34 <jorendc> that s*cks :s
17:32:19 <jmadero> with help seems like it could work ;)
17:32:40 <jorendc> I'm currently building --without-help ... so maybe it'll work
17:32:48 <jorendc> or jmadero ... --enable-help or so :p
17:32:58 <jmadero> uh, nevermind, no good ;)
17:33:03 <jmadero> I guess you can give options that don't exist, no errors are spit out
17:33:04 <jmadero> hah
17:33:25 <jmadero> oh no you can't, nice, looks like that worked, time for 5 hours build
17:33:26 <jmadero> haha
17:33:27 <jorendc> --without-help is an option ... so search the 'with' :p
17:33:49 <jorendc> ;-) --enable-help did it?
17:34:00 <jmadero> I think --with-help
17:34:01 <jmadero> it's building
17:34:11 <jorendc> indeed, I saw dev channel too
17:39:06 <jorendc> jmadero: you know or there'll be also a 'SSD' to win with the bug triage competition :p?
17:39:41 <jorendc> I'll triage bugs days and night for it ... to build such bibisect stuff faster then now
17:52:03 <jmadero> jorendc: reminds me I have to make a triage contest wiki
17:53:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59812] [EDITING] Heavy performance degradation on Impress slides (especially with master pages) || [Bug 59813] EDITING: Insert picture does not retain directory
18:00:01 <moggi> jmadero: jorendc: if you see bug reports against 4.0 that look like problems with cached value import please bring them to kohei's and my attention immediately
18:00:15 <jmadero> moggi: will do
18:00:29 <jmadero> is there a known issue?
18:01:04 <moggi> jmadero: well I'm currently fixing the last known issue but it is still quite fragile
18:01:18 <jmadero> moggi: what caused it?
18:02:08 <moggi> the new cached value import
18:04:42 <jmadero> moggi: okay, last thing, can you give me an example of a bug report that I might see and know immediately it's about cached value import
18:04:47 <jmadero> jorendc: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Triage_Contest
18:05:53 <moggi> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59724
18:05:56 <IZBot> bug 59724: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium NEW FILEOPEN: Inherited currency format not retained through close and open
18:06:25 <moggi> jmadero: especially if ctrl+shift+f9 fixes the problem it is cached value import
18:06:38 <jmadero> moggi: thanks
18:06:43 <jmadero> I'll look for those as I move forward
18:17:08 <jorendc> moggi: I'll be alert too :-)
18:17:14 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry, was eating
18:24:25 <jorendc> nice startup for a wiki
18:54:54 <jorendc> jmadero: can you send me the file of fdo#59722 too?
18:54:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59722
18:59:16 <jmadero> jorendc: sent
18:59:47 <jmadero> so my help button issue, ended up being a bug in some other part of the code
18:59:58 <jmadero> Caolan fixed it
19:00:08 <jorendc> oh nooh :o
19:00:14 <jorendc> that's a bummer
19:00:18 <jorendc> but ... it's solved now :D
19:00:24 <jmadero> lol at least it's solved, testing my button now
19:00:30 <jorendc> and thanks for the file
19:00:36 <jmadero> sure thing
19:00:38 <jmadero> I can't reproduce at all
19:00:40 <jorendc> you're doing great work jmadero
19:01:07 <jmadero> lol thanks jorendc
19:02:01 <jorendc> it's true :)
19:02:54 <jmadero> we all do our best
19:03:04 <jorendc> yes we do :D
19:08:09 <jmadero> jorendc: and the help button works :)
19:08:36 <jorendc> wow :D
19:08:38 <jorendc> great work
19:09:34 <jmadero> lol it was like 5 lines of code ;)
19:09:54 <jorendc> so? It worked and it's an improvement :D
19:10:05 <jmadero> true ;)
19:10:10 <jmadero> now for placement, it's a bit misplaced now
19:10:11 <jorendc> jmadero: my patch to make 'ctrl+f' a toggle function... was 1 line of code
19:10:21 <jorendc> but I can't imagine without now :D
19:10:55 <jmadero> seriously, that is so functional
19:11:42 <jorendc> jmadero: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=1b375d580fb32739cc3b6625400337fa7380cdab
19:11:45 <IZBot> core - fdo#59101 - [Feature Request] Make Find hotkey (Ctrl+F) a toggle command
19:12:00 <jorendc> and my other patch is also pushed to master branch : http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=439ac45925039aa7a537feedab3e731e8a60a8e5
19:12:03 <IZBot> core - fdo#46718 Delete multiple styles at once
19:12:15 <jorendc> so I'm a happy person :D
19:16:55 <jmadero> :)
19:16:56 <jmadero> very nice
19:17:00 <jmadero> both incredibly useful
19:17:27 <jorendc> indeed
19:17:49 <jmadero> time for coffee
19:17:56 <jmadero> (so much for toning it down)
19:17:57 <jorendc> but I think there is some potential improvement for this feature
19:18:11 <jorendc> ok, enjoy your coffe
19:18:15 <jmadero> now you are probably the "master of the code"
19:18:18 <jmadero> (I'm staying in the office, making it here)
19:18:31 <jorendc> oh oke
19:18:42 <jorendc> "master of the code" .. euhm the what :D,
19:18:57 <jorendc> ,->?
19:20:42 <jmadero> okay so I submitted to gerrit
19:20:48 <jmadero> how do I search on gerrit for it?
19:21:10 <jorendc> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/q/status:open,n,z
19:21:37 <jorendc> or just go to gerrit.libreoffice.org and go to 'all' -> 'open'
19:21:38 <jorendc> :-)
19:22:10 <jorendc> nice
19:22:38 <jmadero> sweet there it is
19:22:40 <jorendc> jmadero: just for my 'general knowledge'
19:22:44 <jorendc> jmadero: why #define BTN_HELP 1 ...
19:22:49 <jorendc> I mean the number
19:22:54 <jorendc> why not 2 or 10?
19:23:10 <jmadero> lol...no clue ;) I took it from someone else hahaha
19:23:12 <jmadero> I was just thinking that actually
19:23:14 <jmadero> identical thought
19:23:21 <jorendc> :D haha
19:23:28 <jmadero> maybe you can help me track down the root of this one
19:23:32 <jmadero> seems like a minor issue
19:23:37 <jmadero> fdo#47572
19:23:41 <jmadero> easy fix*
19:23:44 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium ASSIGNED PRINTING: Print Options Saved in Spite of Cancelling Print Dialog https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47572
19:24:05 <jorendc> nice ... my build is stuck
19:24:14 <jorendc> sc is building it's 'CHK' endless
19:24:22 <jorendc> that mean I need to remake it ...
19:24:26 <jorendc> :s I'm not going to do that!
19:24:33 <jorendc> god dammit
19:24:48 <jmadero> l
19:24:49 <jmadero> lo
19:24:55 <jorendc> :s no not lol
19:25:03 <jorendc> :D okay, I can laugh with it
19:25:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59814] Animation for graphics imported from PPT losses || [Bug 59815] Presentation of graphics when saved
19:25:20 <jorendc> okay, no more bibisecting inside my core
19:25:29 <jorendc> sure I'll help jmadero
19:25:42 <jorendc> in the mean time I can rebuild :')
19:26:48 <jmadero> I think it's in printdata.cxx
19:27:04 <jmadero> ah, that's only for writer though, hm, wonder if it's independent of component or not
19:27:06 <jorendc> interesting bug :-)
19:27:31 <jorendc> I'll try with calc
19:29:08 <jmadero> seems real simple to fix
19:29:11 <jmadero> just need to locate the code
19:29:38 <jorendc> I can't reproduce with calc
19:29:42 <jorendc> okay :-)
19:29:49 * jorendc opens the search
19:30:56 <jmadero> ah so it is writer only
19:31:02 <jmadero> check sw/source/core/view/printdata.cxx
19:31:31 <jorendc> yes
19:31:44 <jorendc> but I'm going to search also the sc version of it :-)
19:32:11 <jorendc> so we can compare the 'good' with the 'bad' :p (if possible)
19:32:28 <jmadero> good idea, I'm not even sure it's the right area of code
19:32:31 <jmadero> just looks like it might be
19:33:59 <jorendc> It seems it's the good one
19:34:08 <jmadero> jorendc: looks like something to do with m_aUIProperties
19:34:09 <jorendc> I can't find the sc version of it :p
19:34:21 <jorendc> so I'm going to concentrate only on this one
19:34:31 <jmadero> it's in vcl
19:34:50 <jmadero> but since you can't reproduce this in calc
19:34:52 <jmadero> that makes no sense
19:36:47 <jmadero> strange, for sc, see sc/uiconfig/scalc/ui/printeroptions.ui and sc/source/ui/unoobj/docuno.cxx
19:37:08 <jmadero> jorendc: for Spreadsheet print options are in the docuno.cxx
19:37:14 <jmadero> (no clue why it's different than writer)
19:37:33 <jorendc> mmh, indeed
19:37:43 <jmadero> this is why I don't drink coffee, 1 cup down, time for 2nd
19:37:52 <jorendc> I know there are other options when you print in calc
19:38:17 <jorendc> so it's quite obvious you need 2 different .cxx for that ... but that's indeed not consistent :p
19:38:29 <jorendc> but ... it's uno stuff in calc... so that's other magic what happens there
19:41:23 <jmadero> uh some weird crap is going on in that calc file
19:41:33 <jmadero> you see it says a comment //load writer options into custom tab
19:41:37 <jmadero> that's in the spreadsheet file....
19:44:19 <jorendc> lol
19:45:42 <jorendc> but I can't find where that m_aUIProperties thing is declared
19:46:14 <jmadero> I'm not positive that's where it is, now I'm looking farther down
19:46:30 <jmadero> "ProcessPropertiesAndCheckFormat"
19:46:49 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/unx/gtk/gdi/salprn-gtk.cxx#782
19:47:32 <jmadero> jorendc: if it was within vcl wouldn't that affect Spreadsheet also?
19:47:58 <jorendc> don't know... maybe ping markus or fire that question on dev-channel?
19:48:08 <jorendc> i'm not THAT advanced eh :p
19:49:51 <jorendc> jmadero: you know which command/listener is executed when you click on a 'ok' button?
19:50:20 <jmadero> no, I was trying to figure that out also ;)
19:50:26 <jmadero> I need to get better at debugging, maybe now is the time
19:50:42 <jorendc> ... me too
19:50:53 <jmadero> did you learn how to see the actual symbols being called?
19:50:58 <jorendc> a good walkthrough/lesson would be very useful
19:51:11 <jorendc> no :s
19:51:18 <jorendc> I think I get gdb working right now
19:51:22 <jorendc> (if I'm done building :p)
19:51:32 <jorendc> but ... that's euh, very complex
19:51:44 <jorendc> I don't know yet how to use it correct and efficient
19:52:43 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/unx/gtk/gdi/salprn-gtk.cxx#1168
19:53:51 <jmadero> if spreadsheet and writer use the same code, then there must be something elsewhere that triggers if settings are stored
19:54:55 <jorendc> oh yeah; I'm sorry .. I didn't realize I was in vcl :'-)
19:55:09 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/search?q=%22printdata%22&project=core&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=
19:55:11 <jmadero> you could still be right though, I'm just guessing
19:55:52 <jmadero> I want to say I'm .....1.22% confident it's in printdata.cxx
19:55:52 <jorendc> and how about this http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/inc/IDocumentDeviceAccess.hxx#119
19:55:53 <jmadero> lol
19:56:06 <jorendc> :p
19:56:32 <jmadero> can we find the equivalent for Spreadsheet
19:56:56 <jorendc> but I can't find the cxx file of it
19:57:08 <jorendc> ... I thought every hxx file has a corresponding cxx file :s...
19:57:32 <jmadero> those don't, no some are just headers
19:57:37 <jmadero> that are included in other cxx files
19:57:47 <jmadero> not sure if that's the right terminology
19:58:19 <jorendc> and what about http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/view/printer.cxx#88
19:58:38 <jmadero> now that looks promising
19:59:16 <jmadero> praciticing a bit with gdb
19:59:16 <jmadero> :)
19:59:42 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/view/printer.cxx#201
19:59:47 <jorendc> oh really :-)?
19:59:53 <jorendc> grr, can't wait ... but I need to
20:00:01 <jorendc> I guess about an half houre
20:00:48 <jmadero> not sure how to set breaks even ;)
20:01:36 <jorendc> you have the cheatsheet markus gave us yesterday :-)?
20:01:46 <jmadero> no :(
20:01:51 <jorendc> wait :)
20:03:39 <jorendc> I'll send it to you by mail
20:03:40 <jorendc> can't find link
20:06:14 <jorendc> jmadero: sended
20:06:20 <jorendc> sent*
20:06:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to install on Backtrack 5 || [MEGAVIDEO] Watch Arrow Season 1 Episode 11 Online Se1Ep11 Trust But Verify
20:10:32 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/uiconfig/ui/printeroptionsdialog.ui
20:10:38 <jorendc> seems like the buttons are here
20:10:50 <jorendc> and called http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/view/printer.cxx#201
20:12:21 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/view/printer.cxx#235
20:14:25 <jmadero> hm
20:14:45 <jorendc> 100% sure ... NO :p
20:14:52 <jmadero> looks like pPage->Reset( *pOptions ); might be where it's happening
20:15:06 <jorendc> but you can test it setting dbg there
20:16:01 <jmadero> so what does a break actually do?
20:17:00 <jmadero> I wish the cheat sheet had a basic example
20:18:25 <jorendc> jmadero: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_debug#Debugging_with_gdb
20:18:39 <jorendc> first follow the 'attaching to the soffice.bin process' step
20:19:10 <jorendc> then you can: break <where>
20:19:44 <jorendc> and look at the sheet where you can break (you can break at a functionname, break at a rule number etc
20:19:57 <jorendc> then he'll ask it about 'pending' stuff, just press yes
20:20:11 <jorendc> and then: run
20:20:27 <jmadero> okay trying, be back
20:20:44 <jorendc> soffice will be launched and then it'll stop only when it reaches it break-settings
20:20:48 <jorendc> sure :)
20:23:47 <jmadero> (gdb) break sfx2::SfxPrintOptionsDialog::SfxPrintOptionsDialog Function "sfx2::SfxPrintOptionsDialog::SfxPrintOptionsDialog" not defined.
20:23:51 <jmadero> is that normal?
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20:26:34 <jmadero> dangit
20:26:35 <jmadero> stupid thing haha
20:27:01 <jmadero> I'm going through the mini tutorial thing that is on our wiki and I get this /data/git/libo/svtools/source/filter.vcl/wmf/winmtf.cxx:: No such file or directory.
20:27:06 <jmadero> but, there is that file and directory
20:34:31 <jorendc> mmh
20:34:48 <jorendc> and what if you 'break winmtf.cxx'
20:34:50 <jorendc> sorry, was away
20:35:57 <jorendc> jmadero:
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20:45:42 <jmadero> jorendc: this sucks, I'm so dumb lol
20:51:28 <jorendc> jmadero: still no go?
20:51:41 <jmadero> still trying
20:51:41 <jmadero> frustrated
20:52:46 <jorendc> lol jmadero ... it's -10�C here ... 14F ... :p
20:52:54 <jorendc> I'm going to place my computer outside
20:53:00 <jmadero> about 70 here ;)
20:53:08 <jorendc> :D and crunch the ass out of my computer
20:53:20 <jorendc> that's overclocking these days...
20:53:32 <jorendc> no need for liquid oxygen or something like that :
20:53:34 <jorendc> :D*
20:54:24 <jorendc> jmadero: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/
20:54:33 <jorendc> you know a admin of askbot?
20:54:55 <jmadero> um, no, those are all spam?
20:55:07 <jorendc> yes
20:55:16 <jorendc> not ALL
20:55:21 <jorendc> ... but [WATCH] Pretty Little Liars Season 3 Episode 16 Free Online Se3Ep16 Misery Loves Company [closed]
20:55:22 <jorendc> ...
20:55:31 <jorendc> 5 spams
20:57:18 <jmadero> yeah, Rob is best bet
20:57:44 <jmadero> ertai_NL: ^^
21:00:09 <jorendc> jmadero: I tested again with draw this time ... settings aren't stored when you click on cancel
21:00:13 <jorendc> so it's indeed writer only
21:01:13 <jmadero> I'm just getting mad at myself for not understanding db
21:01:14 <jmadero> gdb
21:01:18 <ertai_NL> jmadero: ?
21:01:34 <jmadero> ertai_NL: hey, you happen to know admin for ask.libreoffice?
21:01:39 <jmadero> (or are you one)
21:01:48 <ertai_NL> no.. i don't know
21:02:01 <jmadero> ertai_NL: okay, time to continue looking, thanks
21:02:11 <jmadero> ertai_NL: and status for BSA? I still can't update
21:06:05 <jmadero> jorendc: okay so I successfully set a breakpoint but I have no clue what to do from there ;)
21:06:24 <jorendc> hehe :p
21:06:29 <jorendc> now you know it passed there
21:06:36 <jorendc> and you can check variables etc
21:06:37 <ertai_NL> jmadero: you have to use git pull -r in stead of git pull
21:06:40 <jorendc> how? I don't know :D
21:06:42 <jorendc> but you can
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21:07:18 <jmadero> ertai_NL: I get fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent )
21:07:28 <jorendc> jmadero: ... you see ... more spam on the askbot :s
21:07:34 <jmadero> yup
21:09:59 <ertai_NL> jmadero: I reverted it all for now and you can update again
21:10:11 <ertai_NL> but for a version-change you don't have to pull..
21:10:18 <ertai_NL> just make
21:10:33 <jmadero> oh, interesting, Thorsten gave me the command
21:11:22 <ertai_NL> when there is a new version you have to go to /var/www/sites/bugassistant.libreoffice.org/libreoffice
21:11:26 <ertai_NL> and enter make
21:11:29 <ertai_NL> nothing else
21:12:12 <jmadero> ertai_NL: good stuff, just did it
21:17:15 <ertai_NL> great. I send an email about the procedure
21:17:43 <jorendc> jmadero: you create a new version on FDO?
21:18:15 <jmadero> Rainer did
21:18:23 <jorendc> oh ok
21:18:37 <jorendc> jmadero: so we can update the link in the chat topic ^^
21:19:08 <jorendc> jmadero: on what line did you gdb break btw?
21:19:40 <jmadero> for sure break SwRenderData::MakeSwPrtOptions
21:19:57 <jmadero> sw/source/core/view/printdata.cxx:134
21:25:17 <jmadero> jorendc: slowly learning :)
21:25:23 <jorendc> oh nice
21:25:26 <jorendc> what did you found?
21:26:01 <jmadero> using "next" and "finish", slowly goes through, learning slowly
21:26:23 <jorendc> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/uno/unotxdoc.cxx#2562
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21:26:41 <jorendc> that function you break on is called there
21:27:01 <jmadero> it did indeed show that file :)
21:30:00 <jorendc> what do you mean :p?
21:30:06 <jorendc> how did you see that :p?
21:30:13 * jorendc still building ... grrr
21:32:24 <jmadero> gdb spit out that file
21:32:30 <jmadero> but I still don't understand any of it
21:32:33 <jmadero> ;)
21:32:46 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/uno/unotxdoc.cxx#2495
21:33:40 <moggi> jmadero: you can inspect the stack with up, down and bt
21:34:02 <jmadero> moggi: but how do I know I did a break on the right thing?
21:34:16 <jmadero> moggi: my break happens too quickly (when print dialog comes up) vs. when I hit "cancel" on print dialog
21:35:06 <jmadero> jorendc: you definitely found it there
21:35:13 <jmadero> jorendc: but I want to know how I could have found it using gdb
21:35:29 <jorendc> :p I'm not 100% sure ...
21:36:32 <moggi> jmadero: where to set a breakpoint is art
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21:37:21 <jorendc> moggi: when clicking on 'OK' or 'CANCEL'...
21:37:43 <jorendc> is that 'RET_OK' or 'RET_CANCEL' that is 'called then'?
21:38:24 <moggi> open the dialog( hopefully it is modal), hit ctrl+c in gdb and inspect the different frames to see what type of dialog has been created
21:38:51 <moggi> then check which is the return button and what is being called, finally set a breakpoint in that method
21:39:20 <jorendc> moggi: ok thanks; I'll try that (when building is finished :p)
21:43:27 <jmadero> jorendc: where do you see RET_CANCEL
21:43:43 <jorendc> jmadero: saw it in one of the scripts I was walking through
21:43:52 * jorendc searching
21:44:35 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/view/printer.cxx#235
21:45:30 <moggi> RET_CANCEL is normally used as return value from a modal dialog's Execute method to signal that the cancel button has been used and not the OK button
21:45:56 <jmadero> so it seems likely that that's involved with not saving preferences
21:46:30 <jorendc> jmadero: I think that the preferences are saved anyway ... (there is no 'if' loop around it)
21:46:44 <jorendc> that's not a big problem to store them first ...
21:47:03 <jorendc> or we delete it afterwards (when we check or 'cancel' is pressed
21:47:17 <jorendc> or we store only the values when clicked on OK :p
21:47:27 <jmadero> I think I see it
21:47:29 <jmadero> let me test something
21:48:06 <jmadero> jorendc: that's again not in the sw folder....that's questionable for me
21:48:20 <jmadero> you'd think that with the RET_CANCEL you'd need  pPage->Reset( *pOptions );
21:49:18 <jorendc> true jmadero ; I'll continue my search :)
21:49:49 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/uno/unotxdoc.cxx#2498 you see that
21:49:59 <jorendc> a variable called nRet
21:50:10 <jorendc> but it's an Int ... :s
21:51:54 <jorendc> oh, never mind
21:52:01 <jorendc> it's the number of pages xD
21:54:06 <moggi> RET_CANCEL and RET_OK is also only a special integer value
21:54:53 <moggi> it is the return value of ModalDialog::Execute
21:55:58 <jorendc> moggi: ok, but when is that execute-function called?
21:56:03 <jorendc> when the modaldialog is created?
21:56:35 <jorendc> because we only need to see what is the first line of code when you click on CANCEL or OK ...
21:56:58 <moggi> jorendc: no, when the dialog is executed
21:57:32 <moggi> open the dialog, ctrl+c in gdb and inspect the different frames until you find the call to Execute
21:57:42 <jorendc> I will; but still building
21:57:53 <jorendc> it's stuck again on the 'build MOD' Sc part
21:57:54 <jorendc> dangit
21:58:20 <jmadero> jorendc: mine did that a couple days ago...I did a clean install
21:58:39 <jorendc> lol ... I'm building 4 houres for now (first for that bibisect thing)
21:58:41 <jorendc> pfff
22:02:12 <jorendc> jmadero: what happens if you delete  http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/uno/unotxdoc.cxx#2495 that entry?
22:02:20 <jorendc> I mean, just place it in comments
22:02:31 <jorendc> and then 'make sw'
22:02:52 <jorendc> if it's not stored anymore we found it...
22:03:00 <jmadero> you mean 2496
22:03:02 <jorendc> so we only need to replace it or put it in a 'if' loop
22:03:09 <jorendc> yes the next rule :p
22:05:05 <jmadero> building now
22:05:14 <jorendc> thanks
22:06:14 <jmadero> no thakn you
22:07:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 3.6 issues
22:14:23 <jmadero> jorendc: no good, it doesn't save settings at all
22:14:38 <jorendc> jmadero: what do you mean?
22:15:10 <jorendc> that's quite obvious I'll now don't save ANY :p ... you just 'delete' it ...
22:15:19 <jorendc> so now we know that's introduced by that line of code
22:15:30 <jorendc> so we need to move it to another location
22:15:45 <jorendc> or we need to put it in an 'if' statement
22:15:49 <jmadero> why not wrap an if statement into it
22:16:03 <jorendc> jmadero: :p yes
22:16:26 <jorendc> jmadero: but I don't know what variable to check ... because I don't know what's called when you press on CANCEL
22:16:43 <jmadero> okay, getting closer though
22:17:16 <jorendc> jmadero: and don't know either or it's bad there ...
22:17:47 <jorendc> but I think it is, because the printoptions are loaded in rule 2487
22:18:16 <jorendc> so ... no matter what ... it's called :p
22:20:04 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm trying to find where that getRendererCount() function is called
22:20:11 <jorendc> sal_Int32 SAL_CALL SwXTextDocument::getRendererCount(
22:20:31 <jorendc> because this function only return the page number if I'm correct
22:20:53 <jorendc> see at the end of that function ... it's return value http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/ui/uno/unotxdoc.cxx#2635
22:21:34 <jmadero> problem at work, I'll be back
22:22:04 <jorendc> sure
22:34:26 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/core/view/vprint.cxx#593 and rule 607
22:35:08 <jorendc> I think we can "easely" call after 607 the function static void lcl_SavePrintUIOptionsToDocumentPrintData(
22:35:40 <jorendc> we need to pass 3 variables to call that function
22:35:59 <jorendc> the doc, the printoptions and or it's a PDF export or not
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23:05:13 <jmadero> jorendc: okay, you still awake?
23:05:25 <jorendc> jmadero: pong
23:05:26 <jorendc> :-)
23:05:45 <jmadero> why would we move that line to 607
23:06:21 <jorendc> because I think (not 100% sure) that when the printer will be executed
23:06:49 <jorendc> ... so when the printer needs to be executed ... we can store the values because it'll print the doc
23:07:07 <jmadero> so move the stuff from unotxdoc to vprint?
23:07:37 <jorendc> yes, set it in comment (so it'll not be executed in unotxdoc) and add it to vprint
23:07:43 <jorendc> but I'm absolutely not sure
23:07:54 <jmadero> then the other files will need to be updates as well
23:07:55 <jorendc> my building is finally passed the sw thing (I restarted)
23:07:56 <jmadero> such as .hxx
23:07:58 <jorendc> so it's ending :)
23:07:59 <jmadero> and hrc
23:08:15 <jorendc> mmh why jmadero ... we only need to call it
23:08:53 <jorendc> so I think we only need to pass our values to that function (not move the function to vprint))
23:09:06 <jmadero> oh
23:09:21 <jorendc> the only thing we may need is an 'include' or so
23:09:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to save cursor position in Writer?
23:10:27 <jorendc> euh jmadero ... I can't take rene's ranting any longer ... he's ranting to everyone
23:11:07 <jorendc> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-January/044528.html
23:11:10 <jorendc> see first lines
23:11:21 <jorendc> Is this the way you talk to
23:11:21 <jorendc> people, assuming things like �you don�t care�? This says a lot from
23:11:21 <jorendc> you, and if you want to know: I do care, if I didn�t, I wouldn�t spend
23:11:21 <jorendc> so much of my free time contributing to LibreOffice.
23:11:48 <jmadero> I am going to raise this issue
23:11:56 <jmadero> thanks for pointing it out
23:12:17 <jorendc> ... I was just trying to ask the same
23:12:30 <jorendc> where can I open the discussion about this
23:13:44 <jmadero> I've brought it to the proper channel
23:15:13 <jorendc> proper channel?
23:15:39 <jmadero> the ranting
23:16:13 <jorendc> oh, you already told some of the board members or so?
23:16:33 * jorendc 's building is done ... woohoo!
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23:29:19 <jmadero> jorendc: computer acting strange
23:29:26 <jorendc> jmadero: no problem :-)
23:29:28 <jmadero> make progress with the print stuff?
23:29:47 <jmadero> I don't see how we can move it without major edits, as the three parameters are not in the other file
23:31:32 <jorendc> jmadero: I think they are
23:31:53 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/core/view/vprint.cxx#593
23:32:04 <jorendc> void ViewShell::PrtOle2( SwDoc *pDoc, const SwViewOption *pOpt, const SwPrintData& rOptions,
23:32:27 <jorendc> so we can use pDoc, rOptions
23:32:48 <jorendc> we only need to set that PDF parameterstuff ... but I think we can just pass a 'NULL'/0 value there
23:34:34 <jmadero> hm
23:36:31 <jmadero> I can't find where lcl_SavePrintUIOptionsToDocumentPrintData is defined at all
23:36:51 <jmadero> it's only in the cxx file
23:36:57 <jorendc> mmmh :s ...
23:37:27 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm calling it quits for today
23:37:28 <jmadero> 4 hours on same minor bug
23:37:29 <jmadero> lol
23:37:32 <jmadero> my head is killing me
23:37:43 <jorendc> :p I'll try one more thing, and then I'll quit to
23:37:44 <jmadero> jorendc: don't work too hard :)
23:37:48 <jmadero> thanks for everything
23:37:55 <jmadero> take it easy
23:37:56 <jorendc> heh :p ... no need to thanks ;-)
23:38:11 <jmadero> night :)
23:38:42 <jorendc> night ^^
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09:27:24 <jorendc> ping moggi
09:27:50 <jorendc> just a shot in the air: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58480 ... is that some of that memory import stuff I need to ping you and kohei?
09:27:52 <IZBot> bug 58480: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/high NEW Temporarily unresponding when FILEOPEN .ods with cell with hundreds of linefeeds
09:29:55 <jorendc> (or are that memory cache import stuff only possible with version 4.0 or later (because that's a 3.5 vs 3.6 regression
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10:21:59 <moggi> jorendc: no
10:22:07 <jorendc> moggi: ok
10:22:14 <jorendc> moggi: range: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?qt=range&q=33f5acad371bcf838011b3629450e6dcd405a4e9..1aa91a2d8e7db5cebff5b47f3005f1acff64d25e
10:22:25 <moggi> jorendc: only about formulas or porblems that are solved by ctrl+shift+f9
10:22:37 <jorendc> so it seems like kohei introduced that behavior; ping him?
10:23:07 <jorendc> moggi: oh ok; I though it was all-round import problem stuff :-). I'll keep staying alert
10:23:19 <moggi> jorendc: yes, we know about this problem
10:23:44 <jorendc> moggi: duplicate?
10:25:37 <moggi> jorendc: maybe, not everything kohei and I are aware of is written into a bug report
10:27:12 <jorendc> ok; I'll mark it just as new :-). Thanks for taking a loo
10:27:13 <jorendc> look*
12:13:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59843] FILESAVE: FILEOPEN: save ods in lo3, open/save in lo4 -> conditional formatting broken || [Bug 59844] CONFIGURATION: Shortcut menu cotains three horizontal scrollbars and cannot be resized
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13:14:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59847] EDITING: Page numbering || [Bug 59848] FILEOPEN: can't 2 file open in calc than Runtime error
13:44:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59849] FILEOPEN: by open 8 file 1,55MB is calc crash || [Bug 59850] EDITING: Subject: The date is not displayed correctly.
14:09:25 <jorendc> hi jmadero
14:10:34 <jorendc> QA call? or is that at 1500 UTC?
14:11:01 <jmadero> no it's now
14:11:02 <jmadero> :)
14:11:10 <jmadero> otherwise I wouldn't be awake at 545
14:11:11 <jmadero> haha
14:11:22 <jorendc> haha, Ok starting up skype
14:11:28 <jorendc> I'll be right back on IRC too
14:13:04 <jorendc> ok back
14:15:00 <jorendc> jmadero: room number :p?
14:15:51 <jmadero> Sweetshark: you joining?
14:16:00 <pmladek> jorendc: 53 71 38
14:16:08 <jmadero> 537138
14:16:17 <pmladek> see also https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Contact
14:17:18 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Triage_Contest
14:23:44 <jmadero> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FreeDesktop_Rules_Procedures
14:52:39 <reisi007> http://identity.mozilla.com/post/18038609895
14:52:42 <reisi007> http://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2013/01/11/themes-on-amo/
14:52:51 <reisi007> http://flosmind.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/personas-in-libreoffice-color-your-office/#comment-608
15:07:22 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailtype1=notequals&chfieldto=2012-07-17&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&email1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice&list_id=216043
15:18:30 <jmadero> lol leading without Bjoern there is tough ;)
15:19:04 <jorendc> no you did great :-)!
15:19:42 <jorendc> *I though you did great :-)
15:19:56 <jorendc> and I thought it was a very productive call
15:20:42 <jmadero> yeah, I really wish we could remove the email default for assignee
15:20:45 <jmadero> it's really quite confusing
15:20:55 <jmadero> for someone who isn't familiar with FDO
15:22:08 <jorendc> maybe we can rename it to 'default' or something ... and that on serverside that email is handled?
15:22:20 <jorendc> NONE = libreoffice-<blabla>@blabla.org
15:22:41 <jorendc> So a 'name tag' for that emailadres
15:22:54 <jmadero> I'm not sure if it can handle that but I'll investigate
15:23:16 <jorendc> I'm not sure at all about that too :p
15:24:04 <jmadero> unfortunately getting FDO changed is a hassle because it affects every project on FDO
15:24:20 <Sweetshark> wow, call over?
15:24:28 <jmadero> Sweetshark: yeah it started an hour ago
15:24:29 <jmadero> :)
15:25:03 <jmadero> Sweetshark: quite...nerve racking leading without you there haha
15:25:14 <jmadero> (much more respect for all conference call leaders)
15:26:10 <Sweetshark> oh, dammit -- I timezoned that one wrong -- I was on the road and asked thorsten to open the call at 1500UTC. m(
15:26:27 <jmadero> Sweetshark: he joined near the end :)
15:26:34 <jmadero> Sweetshark: it's okay, we just assigned you 20 action items
15:26:37 <jmadero> all the trash no one else wanted
15:26:46 <jorendc> haha
15:27:04 <jorendc> like going trough all unconfirmed one by one ...
15:27:08 <jorendc> deadline 2 weeks ...
15:27:27 <jorendc> we thought you'll not mind ...
15:27:33 <Sweetshark> jmadero: thats ok, I will put them in my back and drop them in deep snow offtrack when nobody is watching.
15:27:44 <jmadero> Sweetshark: you could probably answer this right now, any idea if we can "mask" the default assignee email address, a new contributor brought it to my attention that having an email address in there is quite confusing and they assumed every bug was assigned
15:27:48 <jmadero> haha
15:29:35 <jmadero> like right now if I assign a bug to myself it has my name instead of email address in Assignee field, could we set the name of the default email to "Not Assigned" or "NONE"
15:30:26 <Sweetshark> I dont think we can mask. We can likely create a emailforward UNASSIGNED@libreoffice.org or somesuch though, ask floeff for details.
15:31:02 <jmadero> Sweetshark: so we can't add a name to the email address like a regular developer has?
15:31:37 <Sweetshark> but then again: you would either have to "reassign" 6000 bugs to that (causing huge email load) or have old and nw bugs different. not good.
15:31:54 <jmadero> Sweetshark: yes, that's why without assigning a name, I think best to just leave it be
15:32:49 <Sweetshark> jmadero: hmmm, that might be possible. you prolly know better than me with your fancy new 'edit user' rights .... ;)
15:33:24 <jmadero> Sweetshark: lol I'll investigate :) that was jorendc's idea
15:33:28 <jmadero> seemed like it could be possible
15:33:43 <jmadero> a couple other things I need to discuss with you but I have to run to work
15:33:45 <jorendc> :p
15:33:49 <jmadero> I'll have minutes out tomorrow
15:35:24 <jmadero> be back in 20 or so
15:47:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59852] Calc will not print worksheets
16:03:35 <jmadero> jorendc: I can update name but it doesn't affect what you see when you query something on FDO
16:03:50 <jorendc> mmh, I was thinking about that problem too
16:07:42 <jorendc> But I got to go
16:08:49 <jorendc> jmadero: if you want to hack a bit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54335
16:08:52 <IZBot> bug 54335: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW [FORMATTING, EDITING] Typing an existing style name into Style box changes hierarchy of styles
16:09:24 <jmadero> I want to fix that stupid print one
16:09:27 <jmadero> you got my email
16:10:45 <jorendc> oh yes :-)
16:10:56 <jorendc> but not found the time yet too check the links
16:11:29 <jorendc> thanks; I marked it as unread, so I'll certainly watch at it later :)
16:11:51 <jorendc> but I got to go now; heading to the supermarket and picking girlfriend
16:12:02 <jorendc> bye jmadero
16:31:10 <jmadero> how do I open a private chat with you ?
16:48:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59853] XLSX import missing data in columns 2-end
17:19:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59854] GeoMap 3.0: Help link should be clickable
18:20:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59855] numeric keyboard doesn't transform point by comma with french localization
18:21:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Inconsistent Styling || Watch Episode 11 The Vampire Diaries Season 4 Episode 11 : Recap Catch Me If You Can || Problem with tables and multi-column sections || TV SHOW! Watch The Vampire Diaries Season 4 Episode 11 Online Sea4Ep11 Free The Best Video
18:51:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What state has the largest silver coin? || Distorted impress pages when saved as pptx
19:21:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Reference to cell via several files
19:21:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59857] FILESAVE: Calc saves Excel 2007/2010 spreadsheet incorrectly || [Bug 59859] FORMATTING: Header and Footer and Page number
19:51:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59860] FILESAVE: FILESAVE: table lost the width borders when save as XLSX || [Bug 59861] DocBook export: bullet lists changed to ordered lists
20:21:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a wiki-style "Playground" on this site?
20:21:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59862] VIEWING: Text Amination or Text in calc when open file xlsx is no center view
20:51:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: watch Millwall vs Aston Villa Live stream online || watch Millwall vs Aston Villa Live stream online FA Cup Football 25 Jan 2013 || [STREAMING] Watch Millwall vs Aston Villa Live Free STream Today FA Cup 2013
21:22:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Scanning text into Libreoffice || Docx generated using content control not compatible with libre office || Save a presentation with videos so that MS-PP can open it properly
21:22:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59863] FORMATTING: Anchor to Cell Text or Text Animation don't work in XLSX || [Bug 59864] Error 13335
21:52:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Saving Document Size || how to copy a named cell to a new spreadsheet?
21:54:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59865] ERRORMESSAGE: "Search key not found" window title too verbose || [Bug 59866] UI: Find & Replace dialog has misplaced button text
22:03:10 <colonelqubit> A number of users on the Ask site are experiencing slow load/save times in Calc. Several are staying with or downgrading to the 3.4 branch as those builds have been more responsive for them. Should I ask each of them to file a bug, or?
22:03:43 <moggi> colonelqubit: they have problems with 3.5?
22:03:52 <colonelqubit> seems like it
22:04:08 <colonelqubit> at least one indicated that they'd tried 3.6
22:05:01 <moggi> colonelqubit: 3.6 until 3.6.4 has a performance problem with conditional formatting, but it will be fixed in 3.6.5
22:05:13 <colonelqubit> okay
22:05:16 <colonelqubit> Here's one of the questions: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/154/why-is-calc-so-much-slower-at-openingsaving-files/
22:05:19 <moggi> colonelqubit: yes, but otherwise they have to open a bug report
22:05:29 <moggi> without that we can't do anything
22:05:35 <colonelqubit> yep, gotcha
22:08:01 <moggi> I love the comparison of ods export times of excel; did they notice that excel does not handle OpenFormula
22:13:55 <colonelqubit> moggi: even the latest versions of Excel?  (well it's not like anyone was too surprised...)
22:17:16 <moggi> colonelqubit: I think 2013 might support OpenFormula
22:18:07 <colonelqubit> ah, okay. Good to know.
22:22:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Font rendering problem in Writer on Mac OS X
22:24:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59867] Windows 8 assigned an LCID to Catalan Valencian || [Bug 59868] Writer crashes after adding any character after last one in split word due too narrow column in table
22:25:12 <colonelqubit> moggi: Sometimes users on the Ask site will be working on OSes that I don't have available for testing (OSX, Win8, etc..). Is there a good way for me to ask the QA team or someone else for OS-specific testing?
22:25:35 <colonelqubit> For example, this one needs win8 testing: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/9961/inserting-a-picture-or-photo-in-a-libreoffice/
22:27:12 <colonelqubit> And I'd like an OSX user to see if there's any obvious bug in search and replace: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1527/find-and-replace-in-calc/
22:36:50 <moggi> colonelqubit: users reporting bugs in the ask site are at the wrong place, just forward them to https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/
22:37:44 <colonelqubit> okay, I'll forward them there.
22:54:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59870] FILEOPEN: PDF import doesn't recognize text
23:22:30 <colonelqubit> Hey QA guys, Re: SPAM on the Ask site, the mods are deleting it and  blocking users. We've locked down the site a little. If the problem persists, we might need to moderate each new question. Hopefully it will die down
23:22:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: WATCH Minnesota Timberwolves vs Washington Wizards Free Live Streaming
23:23:00 <colonelqubit> or not.
23:23:12 * colonelqubit runs off to tilt at windmills.
23:24:26 <colonelqubit> Pain in the ass, those spammers, but man do they have good timing! :P
23:52:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Now using LibreOffice: Need help with files created in OpenOffice.
23:55:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59871] Datarow cannot be attached to secondary axis
00:26:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59868] Writer crashes after adding any character after last one in word split due to too narrow column in table
01:23:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: hd!! watch Pittsburgh Penguins vs Winnipeg Jets live NHL 2012-13 Live online
01:27:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59874] Tab Order does not work in Writer Forms if controls have the same name.
01:53:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Now using LibreOffice: Need help with files created in OpenOffice.
02:29:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59882] FILEOPEN: Stops responding when opening particular file (regression) || [Bug 59881] sdremote - deadlock ...
03:23:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [FINALE!!!!] Watch Celebrity Big Brother UK Season 11 Episode 27 free live || [Episode 12 ] Watch Gold Rush: Alaska Season 3 Episode 12 Online The Merger
03:29:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59883] FILEOPEN: Open a particular file and LibreOffice crashes
03:53:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Watch Banshee Season 1 Episode 3 Free Meet the New Boss || AMAZING!! Watch Archer Season 4 Episode 2 Online Free || AMAZING!!! Watch Grey's Anatomy Season 9 Episode 12 Free Online || AMAZING!! Watch The Vampire Diaries Season 4 Episode 11 FREE (s04e11)
03:59:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59884] FILEOPEN: Lost image in particular file || [Bug 59885] Kazakh language is incorrectly named as Kazak
04:23:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Premiere!! Spartacus: War Of The Damned Episode 1 Enemies of Rome || Banshee Season 1 Episode 3 Free Banshee Meet the New Boss
05:24:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Where {HD Streaming} Glee ^^Season 4 Episode 11^^ online
05:32:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59886] FILESAVE: Date (fixed) field won't save correctly to docx
05:54:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: AMAZING!!! Watch Glee Season 4 Episode 11 || Glee Season 4 Episode 11 Video Glee Sadie Hawkin
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06:55:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 3.6 issues || how to install on Backtrack 5 || Convert CSV to XLSX from console || 3.5 Slow Opening Even Blank Documents || MS Word Endnote in-text citations deleted upon import into LibreOffice || calc slow loading when connected to network || Need formulas in Customer database || how to delete captions in writer? || Borders are thicker than in Excel || Permission to use the icon || Console App to convert to text file || How can I make the draw page background transparent? || Now using LibreOffice: Need help with files created in OpenOffice.
07:07:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59888] FORMATTING: enhancement request: in a bar chart data row 1 should be by default the most upper bar in the chart || [Bug 59889] FORMATTING: Dragging edge in RTL table resizes column width of the next column instead of current column. || [Bug 59890] Galaxy palette icons don't show the chosen color until restart
07:25:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [STREAMING] Watch Race 2 Free Movie Online Full STream Video Today || how to create a default settings for charts in Impress
07:56:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I make the draw page background transparent?
08:27:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Minor issue with .txt files
09:10:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59891] Table border in impress don't joined with cells || [Bug 59892] Text written with Graphite Font (e.g Linux Biolinum G) Mirrored when the context direction is Right-to-left || [Bug 59886] FILESAVE as .docx: Date (fixed), Time (fixed) fields become static field name text
10:43:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59893] Presentation: Help : wrong shortcut key description
11:14:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59894] [CONDITIONAL FORMATTING] Setting up new conditional formatting leads to crash
11:44:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59896] FILEOPEN: very old DOC (Word 95) doesn't recognize bold and centric "headline"
12:15:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59897] CONFIGURATION: doubled personas
12:28:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Stoke City vs Manchester Manchester City vs City Stoke City Live STreaming || I want to make a tax deductible donation.
12:46:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59898] [FILESAVE, EDITING, VIEWING] Border of Control is not saved unless it is resized or moved. WYSIWYG not working
12:58:27 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Permission to use the icon
13:18:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59900] Tooltip remains above all other windows
13:48:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59901] UI: Enhancement request: Name of each language in target language
14:19:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59902] (regression): LibreOffice does not warn when opening a .sdw or .sdc file, therefore imports crap
14:51:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59905] EDITING: DSUM Parameter List - unreasonable error
15:21:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59906] Please add Picture Styles
15:51:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59907] FILEOPEN: EMF: ModifyWorldTransform not applied to DIB || [Bug 59908] Printing not possible
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16:59:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to delete captions in writer? || Borders are thicker than in Excel
17:14:33 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
17:14:47 <jorendc> do you use windows 7 by default (non - virtual machine?)
17:23:52 <pje335_NL> es
17:23:53 <pje335_NL> yes
17:24:05 <pje335_NL> sorry for late reaction
17:24:53 <pje335_NL> way?
17:26:22 <pje335_NL> why*
17:28:56 <jorendc> pje335_NL: :-) you always can 'ping' me by typing my name
17:29:08 <jorendc> pje335_NL: then my IRC-client will blink :p
17:29:30 <jorendc> (ps: tip ... type the first letters of an irc username and hit TAB-button)
17:29:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: HELP WITH CALCULATING CELLS
17:30:03 <jorendc> pje335_NL: to help me reproduce a bug, if you have the time for that :-)
17:30:41 <jorendc> pje335_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58392
17:30:45 <IZBot> bug 58392: LibreOffice-Printing and PDF export normal/medium NEW PRINTING: Default printer not found/recognized
17:31:53 <pje335_NL> i woud love to,  sorry ican't because i am at my dads house (in belgium) and i olny got my mac with me -,-
17:33:12 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
17:33:15 <jorendc> no problem though
17:33:57 <jorendc> pje335_NL: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=UNC%20macosx&list_id=216905
17:34:06 <jorendc> pje335_NL: that's a list of all unconfirmed bugs for mac osx :-)
17:34:23 <jorendc> not that much ... but if you like to ... feel free to take a look :-)
17:34:28 * jorendc going to eat in the meantime
17:34:32 * jorendc brb
17:34:50 <pje335_NL> jorendc: the link doesn't work
17:35:12 <pje335_NL> and but have nice dinner :)
17:46:42 <pje335_NL> i need to eat see you all later
17:50:27 <jorendc> back :-)
17:57:47 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks for the email, I was so excited that we were down to like 11 ;)
17:57:50 <jmadero> fixing now
17:58:00 <jorendc> jmadero: morning :-)
17:58:07 <jmadero> lol morning
17:58:10 <jorendc> jmadero: hehe, I was exited too :D
17:58:19 <jorendc> but ... it was a bummer when I saw not all versions where included ;-)
17:58:20 <jmadero> heading out to farmers market shortly, just wanted to take care of a couple LibO things first
17:58:25 <jmadero> lol yes, my mistake
17:58:45 <jmadero> tinyurl good idea
18:00:29 <jorendc> ah, nobody's mistake ... just the impossibility to put a huge link in the topic :p
18:00:30 <jmadero> I am updating our minutes because Rainer isn't happy with our NEEDINFO thing
18:00:43 <jmadero> so I'm going to put "Discussion pending"
18:00:53 <jmadero> he wants us to reach broad consensus and closing bugs automatically he doesn't like
18:01:10 <jmadero> we have a new person in the chat?
18:03:19 <jorendc> mmh, I saw his email
18:03:22 <jorendc> didn't understand it 100%
18:03:38 <jmadero> last time we did a mass automated closing of bugs, a few difficult users threw a fit
18:03:40 <jorendc> euh, new person
18:03:41 <jmadero> and started flaring
18:03:46 <jorendc> do you mean pj335_NL
18:03:51 <jmadero> no colonelqubit :)
18:03:57 <jmadero> haven't seen that name in this chat before
18:04:10 <jmadero> colonelqubit: hey
18:04:11 <jorendc> ^^ I didn't either :D (Hi btw)
18:05:10 <colonelqubit> hey
18:05:45 <jmadero> colonelqubit: haven't seen you around, new contributor or do you already do other things for LibreOffice?
18:05:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: nice to see you around :)
18:06:19 <colonelqubit> I'm usually just 'qubit' on the LO sites
18:06:31 <colonelqubit> but that was taken waaay back when I got a freenode account :P
18:06:40 <jmadero> ah, well good to have you in the QA chat
18:06:46 <colonelqubit> Lately I've been cleaning up the Ask site
18:06:52 <jmadero> sob, 35 unconfirmed bugs
18:07:04 <jmadero> jorendc: goal to get it back down below 20 by ESC call on Thursday :)
18:07:15 <jmadero> colonelqubit: good luck with that
18:07:16 <jmadero> that site is a mess
18:07:18 <colonelqubit> thanks
18:07:22 <jorendc> lol :p
18:07:35 <jorendc> euh jmadero: that's possible :-)
18:07:51 <colonelqubit> Unanswered questions are now under 2000, so I think we're making progress
18:07:54 <jmadero> :)
18:08:00 <jmadero> we have about that for UNCONFIRMED bugs also
18:08:07 <jmadero> wait no we don't
18:08:08 <jmadero> about half that
18:08:09 <jmadero> :)
18:08:13 * colonelqubit shakes fist
18:08:16 <jorendc> 2 days ago (night of Thursday - Friday I confirmed 10 bugs 3.6 in 1 hour :p)
18:08:26 <jmadero> jorendc: niiice
18:08:34 <colonelqubit> Having mod powers has been a blessing and a curse
18:08:42 <colonelqubit> knock on wood that the spammers don't come back
18:08:44 <jorendc> colonelqubit: agree :)
18:08:49 <jmadero> okay off to farmers market and some coffee with m wife :) then I have to write my last personal statement for law school, then, I'm free for a few months :)
18:08:54 <jmadero> colonelqubit: completely agree ;)
18:08:56 <jmadero> I'll be back
18:08:59 <jmadero> good luck to both of yo
18:09:04 <jmadero> happy weekend :0D
18:09:05 <jmadero> :-D
18:09:07 <jorendc> jmadero: good luck and have a nice time
18:09:10 <jorendc> :-)
18:09:15 <colonelqubit> jmadero: did you see my comment on IRC yesterday?
18:27:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59909] libcdr-0.0.10 fails to build due to not passing required flags to compiler || [Bug 59901] UI: Name of each language in target language
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19:03:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how's the ask-question triaging/answering going :p?
19:05:53 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/939/function-list-in-calc-crashes/ I see that it's already answered yet ... :p
19:06:22 <jorendc> But I think it's only seen as a 'comment', not as an answer ... so it's still in the 'unanswered list'
19:26:47 <colonelqubit> jorendc: It's going decently well
19:26:57 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good to hear that :-)
19:27:06 <colonelqubit> First we have this huge backlog of questions
19:27:26 <colonelqubit> Lots of them haven't had any activity in 6+ months, so I'm not exactly sure what to do with them
19:28:22 <colonelqubit> I don't want to close-out any questions that are still relevant, but even with a ping, many people don't come back and update the question months later (and I don't blame them too much for that)
19:30:16 <colonelqubit> Ideally, if a question doesn't have any activity for a month or so, people who have posted to the question would get a ping "This question is about to auto-close, please post an update if it's still relevant to you"
19:30:43 <colonelqubit> That would deal with maybe 80% of the questions on the site
19:31:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ... I agree with that ...
19:31:38 <jorendc> same problem here with QA
19:32:05 <jorendc> but with bug reports it's even more important
19:32:31 <colonelqubit> First thing on my end is to add a 'Question closed due to lack of activity' option; I'm still working on getting privs for that :-)
19:32:51 <jorendc> are we going to close this bug or not ... (we'll not close any unconfirmed) but the NEEDINFO bugs ... that are potential bugs
19:33:05 <jorendc> :D that'll be an useful option
19:33:31 <jorendc> but I saw some new admins are assigned
19:33:47 <colonelqubit> jorendc: What happens to old bugs? -- I remember getting pings from launchpad that a bug I reported/me-too'd is going to expire.
19:34:01 <colonelqubit> anything like that in bugzilla?
19:34:13 <jorendc> not yet
19:34:17 <jorendc> but we're working on that
19:34:27 <jorendc> we discuss that yesterday in the QA call
19:34:49 <jorendc> we are thinking about ping all NEEDINFO bugs that has no activity > 6 months
19:35:08 <jorendc> and we're probably heading toward a tree-strike-law
19:35:46 <jorendc> question for NEEDINFO -> 6 months no info an automated message -> 1 month after that no activity 'INVALID'
19:36:10 <colonelqubit> (I'm one of the new mods for the Ask site)
19:36:18 <jorendc> ooh, congratz :D
19:36:56 <colonelqubit> thanks. Spending more of my time cleaning up SPAM than answering q's right now
19:37:48 <jorendc> mmh, I saw some huge warez spam 2 days ago
19:37:49 <colonelqubit> but happy to help
19:37:56 <jorendc> :-)
19:38:29 <jorendc> 1.943 unanswered questions ... is this a relevant number or not :p?
19:38:51 <jorendc> (a 'live' number, or just a number for today)
19:39:02 <colonelqubit> yeah, there was a LARGE amount overnight -- blocked many users and dozens of posts. They even used multiple usernames to 'answer' each other's questions.... :P
19:39:42 <colonelqubit> As I understand the system, 1,943 is all questions that have not been closed or had an answer marked as 'correct'.
19:40:15 <jorendc> mmh :p so that's the list you're currently working with :p?
19:40:56 <colonelqubit> Oh, another option I need to add is 'Closed: Please submit as a bug'
19:41:19 <jorendc> true :p I saw that one (see link above :p)
19:41:32 <colonelqubit> we're still trying to figure out exactly what should fall into that status
19:44:05 <colonelqubit> re: link, yep -- prime example. The best option we have to close those out now is "question is not relevant or outdated", which (1) isn't really that accurate, and (2) seems like we're blaming the user, which is totally not what we're trying to do.
19:45:31 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Do you have an up-to-date chart of the current status of bugs in the system?
19:45:43 <jorendc> mmmh
19:45:45 <jorendc> there are
19:45:52 <jorendc> but I didn't have any link
19:45:57 <colonelqubit> breakdown by release, etc
19:45:57 <jorendc> let me search for one
19:46:18 <colonelqubit> ok. I know that you guys have been working hard to get the bug situation under control
19:46:25 <colonelqubit> just wanted to see the fruits of your labors :-)
19:46:32 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:UnconfirmedChart.jpg ... this is a special chart for QA members :p
19:46:55 <jorendc> and the first table in this wiki we try to update every week https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Stats
19:47:28 <jorendc> (the second table I'm still busy filling numbers ... we have a huge spreadsheet with stats, but we want that on our wiki stats :p
19:48:29 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&chfieldto=-31D&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0&list_id=217033 <- bugs that has reported more than 31 days ago, but still unconfirmed
19:51:49 <colonelqubit> I see you guys had some good weeks in Sept, Oct, and Dec :-)
19:55:19 <jorendc> yes we had :-)
19:55:39 <jorendc> but with upcoming 4.0 release ... we're now trying to get the 4.0 unconfirmed bugs to zero
19:55:57 <jorendc> so we're actually have no time to look for < 3.6  bugs right now
19:56:09 <jorendc> but once 4.0 is released, we're getting that number of bugs down
19:56:35 <jorendc> we're also going to organize a bug triaging contest close to 4.1 RC release or so
19:57:01 <jorendc> so we hope that contest'll be a success so our bugs are down to an acceptable amount
19:58:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59910] Ubuntu Spell checker extens
20:18:07 <jorendc> jmadero: 24 bugs in the list left :p
20:30:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59911] : After a successful use of 'Data>Define range'. Next one always crashes calc.
21:00:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59913] Java spell checker extension makes Libre Office unusable in Ubuntu with java 7 64 bit
21:01:05 <CorNouws> good'vning
21:01:13 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
21:01:21 <CorNouws> hi jorendc!
21:01:23 <jorendc> I just did some changes on your bug :-)
21:01:59 <jorendc> I also add it to mab4.0 ... because it's critical to find this big feature ... (if you don't know it's called "add-on 1" you certainly will think it's not added to LO)
21:03:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: 1920 ... that's -24 when I saw it last time :D
21:03:50 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good job ;-)
21:04:33 <colonelqubit> I saw your '24 bugs left' and felt compelled to beat your number
21:04:45 * colonelqubit likes to count mod 100 :-)
21:04:50 <jorendc> haha :D
21:06:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: any targets/goals to reach?
21:07:42 <colonelqubit> Good question. I'm not certain that there's a particular # of total unanswered q's I'd like to reach, because perhaps a bunch of people will come up with good q's
21:08:30 <jorendc> I see :-).
21:08:44 <colonelqubit> That being said, there's a lot of chaff and incomplete questions on the site already, so once I (and my cohorts in crime like manj_k :-) get through the backlog, I think we might be able to have a better picture
21:08:48 <jorendc> but inside the ask-team; are there any goals to reach?
21:09:06 <jorendc> :-) I see
21:09:13 <colonelqubit> personally I'd like every question to have some kind of an answer within a week
21:09:49 <colonelqubit> Any simple q's or things that have been asked before, I'd like to see answered and marked as correct before the ink can dry
21:09:56 <jorendc> wow :-); that's an impressive goal.
21:10:17 <jorendc> hehe
21:10:20 <jorendc> good job!
21:10:35 <colonelqubit> The thing is, a q-a site is most effective when people get good, prompt answers
21:11:03 <colonelqubit> It's okay (in my book) if the answer is "none of us know" or "you should file an enhancement for that"
21:11:49 <jorendc> I agree to that point of view
21:11:54 <colonelqubit> In some ways I feel like the Ask site is easier for users to approach than other avenues like the mailing lists, IRC, and (especially) the bug trackers
21:11:56 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you wrote a book :p?
21:12:27 * colonelqubit headbutts jorendc.
21:12:36 <colonelqubit> That was chapter #1.
21:12:39 <colonelqubit> :P
21:12:42 <jorendc> yes; it has a lower step to make. But I think the BSA is a good job
21:12:44 <jorendc> haha :p
21:13:34 <jorendc> the BSA-team did a good job*
21:14:03 <jorendc> BSA= https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/
21:14:39 <colonelqubit> Based on reading through everything (nearly) that's come through the Ask site, you've got a huge spectrum of abilities -- from someone who does not speak English and is struggling to use a spreadsheet at all, to advanced users who talk about permissions, UNO components, and compile-time switches.
21:15:43 <jorendc> I have the same experience with FDO :p
21:15:44 <colonelqubit> I wish that components were more integrated, so I could just click a button and turn a question on the Ask site into a bug. Remove the hurdle for the user, etc..
21:16:02 <jorendc> some bugs we need to ignore, because only a dev can solve it
21:16:21 <jorendc> others are just easy ones to reproduce, and others are very hard to get some valuable information
21:16:31 <colonelqubit> yeah, that site looks really good
21:16:41 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I think you need to wait... euh quite long
21:17:08 <jorendc> I saw a threat passing by on the mailinglist about integration of an 'universal' account for all libreoffice things
21:17:23 <jorendc> such as Ask, gerrit, FDO, SilverStripe, ...
21:17:39 <jorendc> but it wasn't possible to integrate an OpenID to FDO or so
21:19:56 <colonelqubit> which ML? I vaguely remember (recently) seeing a bunch of threads revived from the dead and that was in it
21:25:13 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good question
21:26:29 <jorendc> I just searched in the dev-ML, can't find it there
21:26:52 <jorendc> so I thing QA or website
21:26:56 <colonelqubit> website ML? I think it was Florian who cleared out a big backlog of stuff. Hopefully he can share the workload with others if we're getting too demanding of his time :-)
21:27:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg09644.html
21:28:31 <colonelqubit> yep, thanks
21:28:36 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:OpenID_Auth_Plugin
21:29:03 <colonelqubit> Whatever happened to the discussion about moving LO's bug tracking to an in-house server?
21:30:02 <jorendc> I'm not aware of that discussion
21:30:23 * colonelqubit could be crazy
21:30:33 * jorendc don't read ALL emails :p
21:31:02 <colonelqubit> I thought there was some discussion last year -- perhaps related to things like SSO and other control over the bug tracker.
21:32:17 <colonelqubit> I want to say one issue was being able to add more granularity to how bugs are tracked in different components. Because LO is already one level 'down' in the FDO tracker (as it hosts multiple projects), then that's one less layer of sorting that can be leveraged.
21:32:57 <jorendc> mmh, never followed that discussion. But I was only subscribed to my localization mailinglist and helping users + updating our website.
21:33:06 <jorendc> I'm only the last month this active
21:33:41 <colonelqubit> ahh
21:34:04 * colonelqubit pinches jorendc's cheeks.
21:34:11 <colonelqubit> you youngster, you!
21:34:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: dangit :p
21:34:33 <colonelqubit> anyhow, thanks for stepping up
21:35:20 <jorendc> :) thanks to other people who help me integrate and teach me every day new things :)
21:35:33 <colonelqubit> I feel like I'm making good progress on the Ask site, but it's only because people like Pedro and manj_k have got my back
21:38:18 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you have Pedro and manj_k on your back :-)... I have jmadero _o_ *thanks for that btw*
21:40:15 <jorendc> I think you learn A LOT about reading ask/being an ask moderator :)
21:44:05 <colonelqubit> Indeed. And it makes you a bit more humble, too.
21:44:33 <colonelqubit> Sometimes I'll flail at an answer for a question  "I suggest you do this...maybe file a bug...maybe ask the design team"
21:45:02 <colonelqubit> And then someone swoops in with "Why don't you use this [totally suitable feature]. It works just like this...[explain with pictures]"
21:46:05 <colonelqubit> In the end, it's all about getting the user a good answer. It doesn't matter if I get the points for it or not.
21:46:49 <jorendc> I agree :)
21:46:55 <colonelqubit> Speaking of which... have you used the Ask site much?
21:47:10 <jorendc> that's also applicable for the bug reports ...
21:47:23 <CorNouws> jorendc: thanks!
21:47:30 <jorendc> euh, no I didn't use it yet
21:47:36 <colonelqubit> We've had lots of complaints that the karma levels are set waaay too high
21:47:47 <jorendc> I know it's there, and I know how to use it :p ...
21:48:07 <jorendc> CorNouws: I don't agree with Timar...
21:48:37 <jorendc> CorNouws: but I think that's not a good discussion to start in FDO :p
21:48:39 <CorNouws> jorendc: haven't read it yet ;-)
21:48:55 <colonelqubit> I just like to hear from other users what they think. want to make sure that we're listening to feedback
21:49:36 <jorendc> colonelqubit: :-) I think I can't provide you any valuable feedback :s
21:49:49 <jorendc> (yet)
21:50:01 <colonelqubit> jorendc: That's okay. You're book-ending my sanity while I do three things at once
21:50:50 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you're American or a native English speaker?
21:51:32 <colonelqubit> yep, I'm from the us.
21:51:46 * colonelqubit apologies in advance for whatever it was
21:52:18 <jorendc> no, please :-) don't apologies :D
21:52:31 <jorendc> but I'm now feeling I have a lack of English vocabulary
21:52:34 <jorendc> :p
21:52:44 <jorendc> I feel now*
21:53:44 <jorendc> "you're book-ending my sanity" :p ... euhm, can you please translate that to simple english for me
21:53:50 * jorendc trying to learn some English :p
21:54:06 <colonelqubit> ah, okay
21:54:19 <colonelqubit> So I'm really busy right now -- answering email, working on the ask site, etc..
21:54:45 <colonelqubit> When I say "you're book-ending my sanity", I mean that you're acting like a book-end (the item to hold up books on a shelf)
21:55:02 <jorendc> ooh, I get it :D
21:55:05 <jorendc> sorry about that
21:55:08 <colonelqubit> and keeping me sane
21:55:22 <jorendc> (and thanks for your explenation)
21:55:26 <colonelqubit> no problem, I often use language in fanciful ways
21:55:47 <jorendc> I think that's great :-)
21:56:02 <colonelqubit> One of my friends said of me "Oh, he collects archaic words the way some people collect stuffed animals"
21:56:32 <colonelqubit> which I thought was hilarious. And probably somewhat accurate
21:56:33 <jorendc> haha
21:56:40 <jmadero> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58826
21:56:41 <jorendc> lol
21:56:44 <IZBot> bug 58826: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/high NEW FORMATTING: When conditional formatting is use by unprotected cell, is even so protect by protected sheet
21:57:44 <jorendc> hi jmadero
21:58:24 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59797 what importance will mark this bug?
21:58:28 <IZBot> bug 59797: LibreOffice-Extensions normal/medium NEW LibreLogo: view -> toolbars: LibreLogo has name "Add-on 1"
21:58:51 <jorendc> jmadero: for this bug I add it to the mab4.0 and mark it as high-critical (not highest-blocker)...
21:58:55 <moggi> jmadero: I'm aware of the problem, I just have a few release critical bugs that to be fixed before
21:59:09 <moggi> -that
21:59:42 <jmadero> moggi: can I assign you though?
21:59:51 <jmadero> jorendc: I wouldn't say blocker for that
22:00:08 <jmadero> jorendc: it's just a name though, why not just fix it? I think I can push a patch fast on it
22:00:13 <jmadero> jorendc: do we see it in English also?
22:00:21 <moggi> jmadero: please don't; we try to not assign bugs when we are not working on them
22:00:27 <jorendc> jmadero: it's not 'just a name" ; see code pointer
22:00:31 <jmadero> moggi: okay
22:00:41 <moggi> jmadero: that was the agreement between QA and devs some months ago
22:00:57 <jmadero> moggi: yes I know, I was asking if you wanted to pull the bug to your list ;)
22:00:59 <jorendc> I think we re-agreed that yesterday "pull, not push"
22:01:02 <jmadero> moggi: we had an extensive talk on Friday
22:01:03 <jorendc> :D
22:01:14 <jmadero> which I'll be putting out minutes this weekend
22:01:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I would like to auto enter consecutive dates on every other row in one column
22:01:32 <jmadero> jorendc: I think critical is fine, also is it a regression?
22:01:59 <jorendc> not that I'm aware of
22:02:10 <jorendc> I don't use logo
22:02:12 <jmadero> but QA team has freedom to decide ;) if you say blocker, leave at blocker
22:02:16 <jmadero> we trust you ;)
22:02:33 <jmadero> since "we" includes you
22:02:34 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=59797
22:02:53 <jorendc> :p ... but then I need to start a prioritizing war against timar I think
22:03:16 <moggi> jorendc: don't vote against atimar when it comes to translation bugs
22:03:17 <jorendc> (see comments and history)
22:03:20 <jmadero> ;)
22:03:22 <jmadero> agreed haha
22:03:31 <jmadero> QA can "suggest" and set it, if a developer disagrees, so be it
22:03:38 <jmadero> or if one of the lead QA people (Rainer, Bjoern)
22:03:43 <jmadero> I'd take their opinion over my own any day
22:03:45 <jorendc> lol :p
22:04:02 <jorendc> :-) ... but it's not a translation bug ... so ...
22:04:05 <jorendc> nah, I just leave it
22:04:38 <jorendc> If people shout that LibreLogo isn't included in LibreOffice because they can't find it ... I did my best
22:04:59 <moggi> jorendc: and as andras already mentioned, please be very conservative with marking bugs as blockers
22:05:25 <jorendc> "where to find LibreLogo?" -> because the lack of importance you need to find "add-on 1" or "add-on 2", don't ask why
22:06:05 <jorendc> moggi: I'm aware of that... and I hope I'm not pushing all bugs up in priority ... I think I do in opposite direction ...
22:06:38 <jorendc> moggi: but some bugs you just need to prioritize 'off road' (=without following your own rules) ...
22:07:09 <jorendc> if you can't find a new feature that's wide spread it'll be included in LO ... I think 'critical' 'high' is not that bad
22:07:40 <jmadero> jorendc: I think that if a known developer disagrees, it's best just to accept that
22:07:47 <jmadero> Timar is one of those developers
22:07:58 <jmadero> no need to waste time disagreeing :)
22:08:02 <jorendc> I do jmadero :) and that's why I just leave a comment
22:08:06 <jmadero> jorendc: perfect
22:08:13 <jorendc> "
22:08:14 <jorendc> I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that. "
22:08:15 <moggi> jorendc: well, but where is then place for crashes, serious file format issues, data corruption, ...
22:08:17 <jmadero> I can see both points, personally I would have said Normal - Highest
22:08:21 <jorendc> I'll not start a prioritizing-war, but I hope you understand my point of view and why I add that to the mab-list and set this priority. I still would like to mark this bug higher than usual.
22:08:23 <moggi> and most of them are still no blockers
22:08:44 <jmadero> for me I use lowest - highest to push a bug harder
22:08:52 <jmadero> the Normal - Blocker is by definition
22:09:00 <jmadero> Critical - Blocker means data corruption, crashes
22:09:04 <jorendc> moggi: I agree to that point of view. But that's from a dev-point-of-view... from an user-point-of-view (user experience) this is just critical
22:09:15 <jmadero> we can't use the user's point of view for our workflow
22:09:19 <jmadero> based on that, every bug is blocker ;)
22:09:34 <jorendc> moggi: I didn't mark it as blocker; I mark it as critical (from an user-point-of-view :p)
22:09:40 <jmadero> I had a co-worker who said flatly, "no software should be allowed on the market unless it's flawless'
22:10:13 <jmadero> like I said, for me, I'd say Normal - Highest
22:10:22 <jmadero> the list of critical & blocker bugs should be INCREDIBLY short
22:10:24 <moggi> jmadero: well then we will only see hello world programs out there
22:10:30 <jmadero> moggi: that's what  Itold him
22:10:33 <jmadero> his response "so be it"
22:10:35 <jorendc> jmadero: I think there is a big difference between "my window is a bit displaced/not possitioned well" or "You just can't find it"
22:10:48 <jorendc> lol
22:10:50 <jmadero> yes and that's why I would say HIGHEST instead of NORMAL
22:10:53 <jmadero> MEDIUM*
22:11:00 <jorendc> agree
22:11:00 <jmadero> so it's a normal bug
22:11:05 <jmadero> but it's incredibly important in that normal bug range
22:11:06 <jmadero> so highest
22:11:10 <jorendc> ok, I can agree with that jmadero
22:11:33 <jmadero> compare that to "saving as docx results in complete corruption" and I think there is a clear difference
22:11:59 <jmadero> it's subjective though, I set my opinion, if someone overrides it
22:12:00 <jmadero> I say fine
22:12:07 <jmadero> unless it's a user, in which case....I get angry
22:12:08 <jmadero> lol
22:12:13 <jorendc> yeps :)
22:12:18 <jmadero> especially after I explain myself
22:12:59 <jorendc> but, I did what feels right, and a dev revert it ... so I'm not going to argue a dev :p. Except I don't agree to his prioritizing ;-)
22:13:10 <jmadero> lol
22:13:13 <jmadero> at least Timar knows about it
22:13:15 <jmadero> maybe he'll just fix it
22:13:33 <jmadero> if not we can volunteer kohei or moggi like we always do
22:13:36 <jmadero> same time zone as me
22:13:36 <jmadero> or similar
22:13:42 <jorendc> that's exactly what I thought :p
22:13:43 <jmadero> easier to "convince" or bug those devs
22:13:44 <jmadero> haha
22:14:02 <jorendc> haha :D
22:14:37 <jmadero> moggi: thanks for always being patient with noobs like me ;) I appreciate that you rarely say "leave me alone, no time"
22:15:19 <jorendc> jmadero: moggi : I second that
22:27:26 <jmadero> jorendc: I am editing our minutes, I'm afraid that I might be doing something wrong
22:27:30 <jmadero> jorendc: because of Rainer's comments
22:27:46 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm reading your answer :-)
22:27:52 <jorendc> jmadero: I had no opinion about his email
22:29:21 <jorendc> jmadero: the only thing we can conclude is that we have to few man power ...
22:29:24 <jmadero> okay well I'm censoring the minutes a bit
22:29:31 <jmadero> for the time being
22:31:12 <jorendc> ok
22:31:50 <jmadero> I feel not good about this
22:31:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Exported PDF 250% bigger
22:32:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59914] EDITING: Random crashes with blank text boxes thus DATA LOSS on resume
22:32:22 <jmadero> I changed it to say this:
22:32:23 <jmadero> +NEEDINFO 		- Discussion lead to agreement that automating comment to remind users followed by 			  automatic closer of bug after some period of time appropriate 		-Follow-up email lead to moving this conversation to QA mailing list to get broader 			 consensus..
22:33:04 <jorendc> I think that's a good mask :-)
22:41:57 <jorendc> jmadero: is there a 'flowchart' to mark enhancement priority?
22:42:53 <jmadero> jorendc: no, that's really subjective
22:43:02 <jmadero> just keep in mind "how easy is this to do", "how many people would be affected"
22:43:07 <colonelqubit> jmadero: When I read the QA minutes, the font you use appears very tiny in my email client (smaller than 10pt). How does it look to you?
22:43:19 <jmadero> colonelqubit: it looks right :0
22:43:25 <jmadero> stupid Thunderbird pisses me off with formatting
22:44:18 <jmadero> will send out again
22:44:37 <moggi> so just my opinion about mass changes on bugzilla: please never ever do that again, the last time was already horrible
22:44:55 <jmadero> moggi: we need to do something
22:45:02 <jmadero> our team is too small not to do something
22:45:17 <jmadero> well IMO we need to do something ;)
22:45:25 <moggi> jmadero: well you'll piss off nearly all developers who are active in bugzilla
22:45:46 <jmadero> moggi: because of email spam?
22:45:51 <moggi> last time we got several hundred mails and I think we all agreed that we don't wanna do it again
22:46:13 <jmadero> moggi: I mean, then really we just let bugs sit, indefinitely
22:46:23 <jmadero> I think it gives a really skewed idea of FDO and bug status'
22:46:52 <colonelqubit> is there an option to suppress those emails during the bulk-update?
22:47:05 <jmadero> colonelqubit: not on a grand scale from what I've seen in FDO admin options
22:47:12 <jmadero> colonelqubit: individually, yes
22:47:55 <colonelqubit> seems like another strike against external infrastructure
22:48:08 <jmadero> colonelqubit: on going discussion, just not enough people to do it internally right now
22:48:18 <moggi> jmadero: well that is my opinion and as much as I remember there were some more angry people who got spammed from Florian's last action
22:48:30 <jmadero> moggi: one of the issues with his was he triple did it
22:48:37 <jmadero> so every message resulted in 3 emails
22:48:43 <jmadero> I understand the concern
22:48:57 <jmadero> it's just, is a 1-2 day irritation too much to ask for the result being cleaning up FDO
22:49:07 <moggi> IMHO yes
22:49:26 <jmadero> so, for you having an innaccurate bug tracker is better?
22:49:31 <jmadero> (not being an ass, just trying to be clear)
22:50:47 <moggi> jmadero: I already have problems to keep track of the bug mails when I only get "important" ones, if there are now again hundred of unnecessary + some weeks of people reopening bugs it makes it even harder to follow the bug report
22:51:07 <jorendc> I also mentioned the email inbox of the devs... I raised also the question we can EXCLUDE core devs from the list for this mass change.
22:51:34 <jorendc> So please moggi :-), we'll not overlook every possibility before doing that
22:52:26 <jmadero> yes we will
22:52:49 <jmadero> lol automate 1 bug per day for a year ;)
22:53:09 <colonelqubit> jmadero: thanks for the minutes re-send. Looks much better.
22:53:09 <moggi> jmadero: please at least have a look at the consensus from the last mass close
22:53:42 <jmadero> moggi: I have seen them, and like I said, I completely understand
22:53:50 <jmadero> I'm just equally concerned about a f'ed up FDO
22:54:23 <jmadero> so hopefully someone smarter than me comes up with a middle solution
22:54:56 <jmadero> the oldest one is coming around 1 year, no activity in NEEDINFO status
22:55:56 <jmadero> okay I have an idea....
22:56:04 <jmadero> it would require devs action on their side, but it's a possibility
22:56:16 <jmadero> new keyword - "AUTOMATION" or some such thing, just filter those out
22:57:44 <jmadero> colonelqubit: no problem, thanks for pointing out the problem
22:59:55 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry to interrupt
23:00:09 <jorendc> jmadero: a bug that reports an image isn't included/shown (and I can confirm)
23:00:19 <jorendc> ... is that following https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
23:00:26 <jorendc> inability to open particular document
23:00:38 <jorendc> or just 'prevent users from making professional quality work?' ...
23:00:43 <jorendc> I'm thinking about the first one...
23:01:18 <jmadero> so the data is there just not shown?
23:01:25 <jmadero> the image*
23:01:39 <jmadero> or opening the document in LibO corrupts the file and makes the image disappear permanently
23:01:48 <jorendc> the image is in the file (I checked with Word for Mac), but it isn't showed with LO
23:01:59 <jmadero> if you open with LibO and save it
23:02:08 <jmadero> then open the new saved file in MS Office
23:02:10 <jmadero> is the image still there?
23:02:27 * jorendc will try
23:02:50 <jmadero> if it loses data, I'd say CRITICAL - HIGH, if a regression, HIGHEST
23:03:08 <moggi> jmadero: bring it into the ESC and we can decide finally there
23:03:25 <jmadero> moggi: I'm going to wait until there is at least some discussion in the mail thread
23:03:34 <jmadero> just in case someone comes up with better options
23:03:41 <jorendc> jmadero: image isn't there after saving it with LO
23:03:47 <jmadero> regression?
23:04:00 <jorendc> following reporters comment not...
23:04:18 <jmadero> I'd say CRITICAL - HIGH and add writer expert to CC
23:04:27 <jmadero> I think Michael Stahl
23:04:33 <jorendc> ok, thanks
23:04:37 <jorendc> _o_
23:04:49 <jmadero> make sure to say loss of data
23:04:51 <jmadero> that's bad
23:04:53 <jmadero> ;)
23:05:33 <jorendc> I will
23:05:35 <jorendc> thanks for helping
23:05:43 * jorendc learned again something
23:05:50 <jmadero> jorendc: just my opinion, I'm sure 10 other people will disagree with what I said
23:05:51 <jmadero> lol
23:05:56 <jmadero> the democratic process at its best
23:06:01 <jorendc> :p
23:06:07 <jorendc> then they need to change that
23:06:19 <jorendc> but I think data loss = data loss ... whatever kind of data it is
23:06:23 <jmadero> yup
23:06:39 <jorendc> maybe this image isn't valuable or contain valuable information ... but I'm sure there are
23:06:58 <jmadero> jorendc: bigger concern is that it could affect other things also, so saying data loss, means the code is looked at for why data is lost
23:07:14 <jmadero> is it a docx?
23:07:18 <jorendc> yes
23:07:25 <jmadero> figured as much, sucks
23:07:31 <jmadero> too bad MS wouldn't just adopt open standards
23:07:38 <jmadero> and we can all strive for the best single universal standard
23:07:39 <jorendc> indeed
23:07:53 <jorendc> yeps
23:15:46 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57997
23:15:50 <IZBot> bug 57997: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium UNCONFIRMED CRASH when FILEOPEN my OpenOffice .ods files
23:16:22 <jorendc> document doesn't crash, but opens not correctly in LO4.0 ... document opens perfectly (without errors in the cells) using latest master 4.1 (build today)
23:16:33 <jorendc> can you reproduce that behavior?
23:16:44 <jmadero> why is version unspecified
23:17:03 <jmadero> I'll try 3.6.x.x
23:17:15 <jorendc> thanks
23:17:52 <jorendc> don't know why (I didn't look at that yet, because I even don't know to mark bug as NEW and change bug title for that, or just create a new bug and refer to the attachment of this bug)
23:18:22 <jorendc> maybe I need to bibisect this one
23:20:42 <jmadero> I can open with 3.6.4.3 as well as with Master
23:21:13 <jorendc> mmh
23:21:27 <jmadero> I'd mark as NEEDINFO and ask reporter to say what version
23:21:38 <jmadero> I'll comment saying works fine for my two
23:21:46 <jorendc> mmh
23:21:55 <jorendc> but do I need to open a new bug for my findings ...
23:22:12 <jorendc> open with 4.0 no crash but many errors inside the cells
23:22:25 <jorendc> open with 4.1 also no crash but also no errors ...
23:22:59 <jmadero> I dont' have 4.0
23:23:06 <jmadero> interesting findings...
23:23:17 <jmadero> I'd say....hm, try 4.0 master branch
23:23:22 <jmadero> ask moggi how ;)
23:23:27 <colonelqubit> On the Ask site we have some questions tagged with "feature-request", but we don't have a process for making those feature requests go to anyone. Should I just suggest users file a bug marked as 'enhancement' instead?
23:23:32 <jmadero> if it works on 4.0 master branch, I say it's fine not to
23:23:41 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yes :)
23:23:56 <jmadero> colonelqubit: we need to make sure users know asklibo is NOT a place to file bugs or enhancement requests
23:24:02 <jmadero> and doing it for them is accepting a lot of work on your part
23:24:18 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I do that quite frequently on user mailing thread
23:24:20 <colonelqubit> well there was a discussion a few months ago where people thought that it was a good idea
23:24:39 * colonelqubit did not have such a big Hat back then
23:25:11 <jmadero> colonelqubit: lol understandable, I overstep my "authority" quite frequently also
23:25:31 <jmadero> I get pinged often enough by those who have authority saying "hey now, shut up" (not like that, but that's my interpretation) haha
23:25:46 <colonelqubit> okay, thanks. I will discourage the practice and gently punt users to bugzilla
23:25:57 <colonelqubit> you know that bugzilla is a scary place for many of them, right?
23:26:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you can redirect them to our BSA
23:26:29 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what jorendc said :)
23:26:32 <jorendc> I think that's a bit more gently :-)
23:26:33 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Oh, I know
23:26:46 <jmadero> and encourage them to discuss enhancements on asklibo
23:26:49 <colonelqubit> it's just that things like the search page are...kind of intense
23:27:03 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah I know
23:27:08 <jmadero> I still get discouraged/overwhelmed
23:27:32 <jmadero> I know ertai_NL wants to internalize our bug tracker
23:27:39 <jmadero> the amount of work would be tremendous
23:27:46 <jmadero> and the transition would be tough
23:27:57 <jmadero> (similar argument made by MS users when suggesting to switch to Linux)
23:27:58 <jmadero> ;)
23:28:04 <jmadero> personally - I think change is good
23:28:13 <colonelqubit> I dunno. Sounds like you guys are drowning a bit
23:28:31 <jorendc> sounds like? We ARE :p
23:28:34 <jmadero> it's getting better, we need about 10 committed triagers
23:28:37 <jorendc> *blub*
23:28:45 <colonelqubit> maybe some more control over the bugtracker would allow you to automate some tasks and avoid tiptoeing on eggshells
23:28:47 <moggi> jmadero: ??
23:29:01 <jorendc> moggi: I need you :)
23:29:04 <jorendc> not jmadero
23:29:05 <jmadero> ^^
23:29:08 <jmadero> :)
23:29:14 <jmadero> we all need moggi
23:29:16 <jmadero> haha
23:29:19 <jorendc> moggi: summary: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57997
23:29:26 <IZBot> bug 57997: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium UNCONFIRMED CRASH when FILEOPEN my OpenOffice .ods files
23:29:36 <jorendc> we can't reproduce the crash ...
23:29:41 <colonelqubit> You mean moggi-wan kenobi? He's our only hope...
23:29:50 <jorendc> but when I open that file in 4.0rc2 -> many error:508
23:30:01 <jorendc> when opening that in 4.1 -> perfect
23:31:10 <jorendc> moggi: a (potential) bug we are aware of?
23:31:24 <jorendc> oops
23:31:25 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57997
23:31:47 <IZBot> bug 57997: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium UNCONFIRMED CRASH when FILEOPEN my OpenOffice .ods files
23:32:02 <jorendc> damn stupid copy/paste
23:32:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: my opinion is we are just stretched too thin with too many projects going on at same time, but, that's just my opinion
23:33:03 <moggi> to be honest I have no 4.0 builds
23:33:10 <jmadero> moggi: how can he switch to 4.0 master
23:33:14 <moggi> I'm only working on master
23:33:15 <jmadero> to test it against 4.0 master branch
23:33:58 <moggi> jmadero: master = the main development branch, 4-0 = branch for normal 4.0* development, 4-0-0 release branch for 4.0.0
23:34:05 <colonelqubit> jmadero: what do you mean 'too many projects'? Do you mean too many different support sites for users?
23:34:12 <moggi> so 4.0 master is nothing that makes sense
23:34:45 <jmadero> moggi: whatever 4.0 branch makes sense
23:34:52 <jmadero> for jorendc to test if it was fixed in 4.0
23:35:18 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I just mean too many projects in general, so each project has 4-6 people, instead of a core set of projects having 15-20
23:35:21 <jorendc> ok; moggi so what's your opinion? Just close that bug because no one can reproduce his crash, and open another bug linked to this one with my findings?
23:35:41 <jmadero> colonelqubit: the core of any project is development, so you start there
23:35:56 <jmadero> so you build from that point out, we built really fast ;)
23:36:07 <jmadero> so we have so many website teams, localization teams, QA, etc... etc...
23:36:13 <jmadero> asklibo, now forums are coming
23:36:19 <jmadero> or being discussed
23:36:25 <moggi> jorendc: yes
23:36:26 <colonelqubit> ah, okay. Hadn't heard about that
23:36:35 <jmadero> colonelqubit: not completely public yet
23:36:35 <jorendc> ok, thanks moggi
23:36:55 <colonelqubit> forums seem like they would largely overlap with the Ask site
23:37:09 <jmadero> colonelqubit: perhaps, I don't want to discuss them too much as it's not quite public ;)
23:37:52 <colonelqubit> fair enough. I guess I'll just wait and see. Enough work to keep me busy for quite some time here.. :-)
23:37:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: ditto
23:38:05 <jmadero> colonelqubit: too much, that's why I actively recruit new people
23:38:05 <jmadero> ;)
23:38:16 <jmadero> go to the user list frequently with specific tasks
23:38:30 <jmadero> users don't seem to like "can you help" but "can someone check out bug ##### seems to work
23:40:23 <colonelqubit> yep, I've tried that a little with some q's on the ask site. I've gotten a few nibbles from that :-)
23:40:50 <colonelqubit> also just waking-up old bugs by adding a comment means they pop back to the front page, and sometimes that's enough to get a good answer added
23:41:12 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah
23:41:25 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what we don't want to encourage is a user "pinging" their own bug to get noticed
23:41:29 <jmadero> "bump"
23:41:57 <colonelqubit> yep. Although I do the opposite a lot -- pinging the user to see if they've found an answer to their q.
23:42:20 <jmadero> colonelqubit: that's a good method, independent user/admin bumping is fine
23:42:29 <jmadero> self promotion gets annoying
23:42:32 <colonelqubit> don't want to be too iron-fisted to close out their question if they're still interested in finding an answer
23:42:36 <jmadero> you get the person who bumps after 4 hours
23:42:55 <colonelqubit> well the nice thing the Ask site has (that bugzilla doesn't) is the up/downvote method
23:43:48 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah, I've developed my own beta heatchart for fdo though :)
23:43:52 <colonelqubit> you do something silly like bumping after 4 hours, and your answer/question will be downvoted and commented as to that effect.
23:44:47 <colonelqubit> I like seeing q's with comments like "I've downvoted your question until you actually explain what question you're asking"
23:45:10 <jmadero> lol
23:45:25 <colonelqubit> it's totally fair -- we don't want people wasting their time reading and trying to answer q's that are completely confusing.
23:45:28 <jmadero> unless you get an asshole that instead says "you're an idiot for not explaining this, downvoted"
23:45:29 <jorendc> jmadero: you saw no error:508 inside that spreadsheet with 3.6.4.3?
23:45:56 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Or the people that downvote us when we try to help (super classy...)
23:45:57 <jmadero> jorendc: none
23:46:05 <jorendc> jmadero: thanks
23:46:19 <colonelqubit> "that's not an answer... that response SUCKS!  blah, blah... "
23:46:32 <colonelqubit> it's like they think we're being paid or something
23:47:13 <colonelqubit> (not that one should treat paid help like that, but I digress)
23:47:25 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah, some people just don't get it
23:47:41 <colonelqubit> okay, gotta run. See y'all later.
23:47:46 <jmadero> colonelqubit: take it easy
23:47:53 * colonelqubit heads out to the chuck wagon.
23:48:54 <jorendc> colonelqubit: bye :-)
23:53:37 <jorendc> jmadero: I hate this kind of bugs
23:53:44 <jorendc> is that correct behavior or not
23:53:45 <jorendc> :p
23:57:11 <jmadero> lol
23:57:20 <jmadero> yeah I usually....skip those and let them rot
23:57:21 <jmadero> haha
23:57:22 <jmadero> j/k
23:57:36 <jorendc> haha :D
23:57:46 <jorendc> I tend to agree
23:58:44 <jmadero> or I bug someone else
23:58:48 <jmadero> like an expert on that component
23:58:52 <jmadero> or Michael Meeks ;)
23:58:56 <jmadero> although I do that less these days
23:59:10 <jmadero> now that I have Markus and Kohei to bug every day
23:59:26 <jorendc> lol
00:02:20 <jmadero> I hate personal statements
00:03:18 <jorendc> :p
00:03:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59915] Hang when click "About LibreOffice" in application menu || [Bug 59916] FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with AVERAGE() result in many ERROR:508
00:03:33 <jorendc> almost finished with writing that?
00:09:26 <jmadero> jorendc: um, I have the ideas down, making it sound nice
00:09:45 <jmadero> since it's my #1 school, putting a bit more effort into it
00:09:54 <jmadero> it's my stretch school, probably 10% chance of getting in
00:10:22 <jorendc> oh, good luck with that
00:10:33 <jmadero> thanks :) if I get in, not sure what we'll do yet
00:10:36 <jmadero> but it would be cool to get in
00:10:40 <jorendc> you deserve that :)
00:10:59 <jorendc> oh, you're not sure you'll study again?
00:11:09 <jmadero> no I'm sure of that ;) just not sure what school
00:11:21 <jmadero> the school I just got into wouldn't require us to move so my wife can keep her job
00:11:36 <jmadero> plus, they offered almost a full scholarship so minimal extra debt
00:12:17 <jmadero> and it's a good school:)
00:15:40 <jorendc> nice :D
00:15:58 <jorendc> I remember you already told it'll give you almost a full scholarship
00:19:30 <jmadero> waiting on 6 other schools, we'll see, I'm stoked though :)
00:34:07 <jorendc> jmadero: I just create another bug report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59918
00:34:11 <jorendc> easy to reproduce :-)
00:34:11 <IZBot> bug 59918: LibreOffice-Writer major/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE: FILEOPEN: save document as docx and reopen result in an freeze/endless loop
00:34:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59917] Export to PDF lowers the quality of images in presentation independently of any export option. || [Bug 59918] FILESAVE: FILEOPEN: save document as docx and reopen result in an freeze/endless loop
00:57:11 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll take a look after this stupid personal statement is done
00:57:21 <jorendc> sure, no hurry jmadero :)
01:15:07 <jorendc> I'm leaving; I'll not disturb you now by pinging you :-)
01:16:04 <jorendc> I left with 1078 bugs in the list we use in our QA stats :-) so that's -12 in 2 days :p.
01:16:14 <jorendc> good luck with your statement!
01:16:19 <jorendc> good night
02:05:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: PhTV! Johnson vs Dodson Live Stream on UFC On FOX 6 Watch Johnson vs Dodson Live Stream Free || Watch Johnson vs Dodson Live Stream Free UFC On FOX 6
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02:40:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59919] EDITING: enhancement request: keep selected object in center when zooming
03:08:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: wordPerfect .WP6 .WPD || Applied Styles category in Styles & Formatting window
03:38:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I disable automatic numbering? || Trouble formatting date cells in Calc
04:08:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Hot! Watch Atlas vs Club America Live Stream Free Football Cup || How to save cursor position in Writer? || How do I order in-document bibliography?
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05:39:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I disable automatic numbering? || Trouble formatting date cells in Calc || How to save cursor position in Writer? || How do I order in-document bibliography? || LibreOffice 3.6 issues
06:45:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59920] UI: UI design flaw droping LibreOffice Competitiveness
07:41:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can "Borders" tool remember and reuse last used option like "Background color" tool? || I can not open LibreOffice 3.4 || \t $ \n work in find, but not in replace
07:45:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59922] : Incorrect character range for Unicode block "Katakana Phonetic"
08:11:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Set ODF 1.0 as default via group policy || how to configure My Documents path in masive instalation
08:15:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59924] EDITING: Printing Form : no data
08:41:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: msiexec addlocal
09:11:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: turning point clickers
09:48:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59925] BASIC: Application terminates itself on string concatenation, if length of result string is expected to be > 64K || [Bug 59926] FILESAVE breaks Edit Password Protection
12:20:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59928] EDITING: Impossible to fill text into Fileds - Functions - Placeholder - text
12:50:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59902] LibreOffice does not warn when opening a .sdw or .sdc file, therefore imports crap
13:20:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59929] : Assistant-Letter claims JRE to be defect
14:23:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59931] Crash when starting wizard if icons set has been changed
14:53:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59914] EDITING: CRASH when copying and pasting lines of bulleted text with DATA LOSS, "Having multiple in isn't supported and may not works as expected" || [Bug 59932] FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing wrapped text resize when re-opening saved .pptx format || [Bug 59934] FILEOPEN: Slides lose background style when converting from PPTx to LibreOffice format
15:23:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59928] EDITING: Impossible to fill text into Fields - Functions - Placeholder - text || [Bug 59935] EDITING: Impossible to edit properties of Fields - Functions - Placeholder - text
15:43:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to propagate changes paragraph of "Next Style" settings to existing content
15:53:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59936] FORMATTING: enhancement request: enable line breaks in data labels
16:13:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Impress Normal and Notes in same view? || How to propagate paragraph "Next Style" settings to existing content
17:03:21 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit ;-)
17:03:48 * colonelqubit waves
17:04:02 <colonelqubit> 1859 unanswered q's
17:04:24 <jorendc> i c :o
17:04:27 <colonelqubit> The year that Oregon entered the union.
17:04:29 <jorendc> very nice
17:04:50 <jorendc> really :p?
17:05:33 <jorendc> you live in oregon :p?
17:06:44 <jorendc> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/10748/streaming-watch-oldham-vs-liverpool-vs-oldham/ mmh ... Do you can permanently ban IP's?
17:06:50 <jorendc> who are these people :p?
17:08:01 <Jbfaure> jorendc: Hi Joren. Do you reproduce fdo#59931 ?
17:08:04 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/high NEW Crash when starting wizard if icons set has been changed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59931
17:08:34 <jorendc> Jbfaure: I'll take a look
17:08:36 <jorendc> hi btw :p
17:09:00 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yeah, I wish I could ban IPs. Currently just playing whack-a-mole
17:09:25 <jorendc> colonelqubit: haha :p
17:09:34 * jorendc smashes on a mole's head
17:09:43 <jorendc> Jbfaure: linux mint starting up :p
17:13:47 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Error when loading saved documents || Window 7 running LO 3.4.2
17:14:11 <jorendc> Jbfaure: can't using Linux Mint 14
17:16:05 <Jbfaure> jorendc: ok. 32 or 64 bits ?
17:16:27 <jorendc> 64 bits
17:16:37 <jorendc> But I'll leave a comment in a minute
17:16:43 <jorendc> I'm now testing using Mac OSX
17:17:53 <jorendc> Can't either on Mac OSX; but File>Wizards>Letter doesn't open at all (I'm prety sure this is already an existing bug)
17:20:26 <Jbfaure> jorendc: yes, it is in rc1 but fixed in rc2
17:20:54 <jorendc> no, still can reproduce using 4.0.0.2 rc2 ... :s
17:38:15 <colonelqubit> Hmm. lots more feature requests
17:40:03 <colonelqubit> When I close-out feature requests on the Ask site, what should I tell the user? Here's the stock text I've drafted so far:
17:40:20 <colonelqubit> Hi! Please [file an enhancement bug](https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/). The QA team will be happy to help you triage your feature request in the bugtracker. Thanks!
17:43:08 <colonelqubit> the QA team will be happy to ... triage? improve? file away in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory?... :-)
17:43:55 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why can't I install on Debian 6?
17:46:50 <Jbfaure> jorendc: the bug report for the wizards which do not start is fdo#59248
17:46:54 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/highest VERIFIED FIXED Writer and Fax wizards do not work https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59248
17:47:15 <jorendc> thanks Jbfaure ; I'll check it
17:49:09 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Any suggestions on the language?
17:49:46 <jorendc> colonelqubit: :p lo, sorry didn't read that
17:49:49 * jorendc reading
17:50:15 <jorendc> I think the first message is quite good
17:50:46 <jorendc> colonelqubit: maybe can you also say that they need to try provide us as *much* information as possible
17:51:12 <jorendc> colonelqubit: like affected documents, clear steps
17:51:58 <jorendc> and I think 'triage' is a good term :-)
17:52:06 <jorendc> hi jmadero
17:53:33 <jmadero> jorendc: morning :-D
17:53:40 <jorendc> morning :)
17:54:35 <jmadero> is Katakana Japanese?
17:54:57 <jorendc> euh
17:55:34 <jorendc> jmadero: I think it is
17:55:52 <jorendc> jmadero: http://translate.google.nl/#en/ja/katakana
17:56:01 <jmadero> jorendc: okay, going to try to do this one :-/.
17:58:06 <jorendc> :p
18:03:09 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Okay, I'll mention the need for providing info
18:03:28 <jorendc> jmadero: you agree with that?
18:03:34 <jorendc> ^^
18:04:04 <jmadero> I'm not sure about the conversation ;)
18:04:59 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry I see :D
18:05:01 <jorendc> colonelqubit> Hmm. lots more feature requests
18:05:01 <jorendc> <colonelqubit> When I close-out feature requests on the Ask site, what should I tell the user? Here's the stock text I've drafted so far:
18:05:02 <jorendc> <colonelqubit> Hi! Please [file an enhancement bug](https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/). The QA team will be happy to help you triage your feature request in the bugtracker. Thanks!
18:06:03 <colonelqubit> I added the sentence "Please provide as much information as possible." in the middle
18:06:20 <jmadero> sounds good
18:06:31 <jorendc> perfect :)
18:06:35 <jmadero> I don't have Japanese listed in my stupid language settings....I hate locale issues
18:06:55 <jmadero> nvm got it
18:06:56 <jmadero> lol
18:06:57 <jorendc> jmadero: you did use samba, wasn't it?
18:07:24 <jmadero> yes on and off ;)
18:07:30 <jmadero> I have it right now, trying to transition away from it
18:07:37 <jorendc> you use* (god dammed English verbs)
18:07:45 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54275
18:07:52 <IZBot> bug 54275: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Linux: Unable to "Save" (or "Save As") New Document on Samba (gvfs) Mounted Share
18:07:58 <jorendc> maybe one for you :p?
18:08:44 <jmadero> Michael is already involved, I'd mark as NEW and tell Michael that if it's a dupe can we close it as such
18:08:50 <jorendc> oh sorry ... I see there are a lot confirmed in it ...
18:08:53 <jmadero> yeah
18:09:16 <jmadero> no response for a month though, seems pretty serious
18:09:23 <jorendc> indeed
18:09:28 <jorendc> and michael meeks is already in it
18:09:33 <jorendc> pinged bjoern already ...
18:09:42 <jorendc> so no answer within 31 days ...
18:11:07 <jmadero> yeah I'd mark as NEW and just say that we want it out of UNCONFIRMED status, if it's determined to be a duplicate can we close it
18:12:24 <jorendc> Ok, i'll do that :-)
18:12:24 <jorendc> thanks
18:12:58 <jmadero> I didn't do anything :)
18:13:06 <jorendc> jmadero: :p you looked at it
18:13:29 <jorendc> jmadero: and maybe you can help me setting a priority for it :p?
18:13:56 <jmadero> I'd say Major - High
18:14:12 <jmadero> makes saving on samba impossible
18:14:15 <jmadero> no data loss but serious
18:14:29 <jorendc> I agree tot that
18:26:19 <jmadero> these two German ones
18:26:23 <jmadero> hm, dangit
18:29:43 <jorendc> jmadero: shoot :)
18:41:45 <jmadero> you've already looked at one of them
18:41:47 <jmadero> the checkboxes
18:41:49 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^
18:41:57 <jmadero> two separate bugs both about checkbox dialog location
18:41:59 <jorendc> oh :D
18:42:09 <jorendc> mmh, now I remember ...
18:42:22 <jorendc> I just marked a bug as new, but I think that's a duplicate
18:42:53 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58361
18:42:57 <IZBot> bug 58361: LibreOffice-UI trivial/low NEW Undersized elements in Find bar and in Find & Replace dialog on Ubuntu
18:44:40 <jmadero> of which bug
18:44:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Footnote Formatting Issue
18:46:53 <jorendc> of one of that checkbox related bugs
18:48:22 <jmadero> hm I don't think so
18:48:27 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59594
18:48:34 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59596&list_id=217614
18:48:39 <jmadero> that's not a size issue, it's completely misplaced
18:48:42 <IZBot> bug 59594: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED Misplaced checkbox on settings dialog (german localization)
18:48:45 <IZBot> bug 59596: LibreOffice-UI minor/medium UNCONFIRMED misplaced Checkbox
18:49:01 <jmadero> I'll be back in a bit though, need to get a little exercise :) just got done with a couple
18:49:06 <jmadero> man I keep forgetting to put my name in QA field
18:49:06 <jmadero> ;)
18:49:09 <jmadero> you're good about that already
18:49:18 <jorendc> :D
18:50:36 <jorendc> mmh, yeah I see :)
18:56:10 <jmadero> but if you can't reproduce either I say close as WFM
18:56:14 <jmadero> and ask him to retest on RC2
18:57:27 <jorendc> I agree
18:58:55 <jmadero> with a reset profile
19:02:51 <jorendc> 1078 bugs found. dangit... I'm trying to get that to 1050 :(
19:19:34 <jorendc> jmadero: no need to read it I already did... but look at the huge text of this report : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58132
19:19:38 <IZBot> bug 58132: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : Button “Revert” in Option Dialogs does not Work as expected
19:20:09 <jorendc> and look at the last 2 paragraphs :D ... that's euh ... exactly what he say in all text above :p
19:26:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59938] UI: "Send via Bluetooth" does not work under Windows
19:44:25 <jmadero> jorendc: now that I'm done with apps I expect that # to drop quickly
19:44:41 <jmadero> maybe between the two of us we can maintain 4.0 UNCONFIRMED list and get -10 a day from the other ones
19:45:03 <jorendc> yes :-)
19:45:14 <jorendc> jmadero: you finished :-)?
19:45:19 <jmadero> yeah
19:45:20 <jorendc> (with your applications)
19:45:22 <jorendc> Ooh nice
19:45:37 <jmadero> now my wife and I are looking at new apartments :)
19:46:41 <jorendc> ooh nice
19:46:46 <jorendc> going to move?
19:46:51 <jmadero> yeah
19:47:20 <jorendc> for sure, or depending on your application-reply?
19:48:38 <jmadero> for sure
19:49:00 <jmadero> even if I stay in a local school
19:49:04 <jmadero> we don't want to stay in our apartment copmlex
19:49:06 <jmadero> it's....a joke ;)
19:49:15 <jmadero> was a good first apartment but management changed and they are idiots
19:50:23 <jorendc> mmh, that's pety
19:50:24 <jorendc> pity*
19:50:33 <jorendc> but, good you're looking for a new place :-)
19:52:18 <jmadero> are you doing the other bugs in some order?
19:53:53 <jorendc> you mean the QA-stats list of bugs?
19:54:13 <jmadero> yeah
19:54:14 <jorendc> I'm now doing 5 bugs that are all related and reported by same reporter
19:54:26 <jmadero> ohh
19:54:27 <jorendc> otherwise I just scroll through the list and pick randomly
19:54:28 <jorendc> :)
19:54:32 <jmadero> lol nice
19:54:36 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58132
19:54:37 <jmadero> I'm going to try reverse chronological
19:54:40 <IZBot> bug 58132: LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium NEW : Button “Revert” in Option Dialogs does not Work as expected
19:54:41 <jmadero> oldest first
19:54:42 <jorendc> watch that :D
19:54:51 <jorendc> (don't read it, I already did)
19:55:29 <jmadero> lol nice
19:57:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59940] Calc gives Err 508 when i type : =sum(A1:A8) or =whatever
20:03:42 <jmadero> I have the bugs pulled for the last like 10 days, going to start playing around with stats
20:16:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Printing in colour problem || Cascading List Box filters
20:26:15 <jorendc> jmadero: finally done with all that related bugs :D
20:27:24 <jorendc> jmadero: are you filter all bugs with 'bug number'? or last change?
20:45:52 <colonelqubit> A user wants to be able to programmatically check for the latest release of LO - http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3017/checking-current-release-with-a-script/
20:46:18 <colonelqubit> Is there a simple text file/rss feed for this type of thing?
20:46:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem reading .doc file in LibreOffice 3.5.3.2
20:47:13 <colonelqubit> (I'm seeing a bunch of the release wiki pages tagged with 'QA' -- figured you guys might know off the top of your head)
20:48:10 <jmadero> colonelqubit: honestly not sure
20:48:23 <colonelqubit> k. thanks
20:48:30 <jorendc> mmh, don't know that either :
20:48:32 <jorendc> :s
20:48:35 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I've been wanting to get a complete list of every wiki page under LibreOffice and see what we have, I suspect 50% of them are worthless
20:48:42 <jmadero> jorendc: I sort by open date
20:48:46 <jmadero> trying to do the oldest first
20:49:09 <jorendc> okay :-). Open data = bug number :p, so I'm sorting 'correct' :p
20:59:23 <jorendc> jmadero: who is the right person to ping (except to disturb markus again :p) for this kind of 'bugs' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54653
20:59:25 <IZBot> bug 54653: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Incorrect spacing in multiline right justified cells
21:00:02 <jorendc> (i still can reproduce this btw)
21:01:24 <jmadero> look at the expert list
21:01:56 <jmadero> jorendc: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert
21:02:06 <jmadero> kohei or eike
21:02:11 <jorendc> :o didn't know about this list :o
21:02:19 * jorendc marking it as bookmark
21:02:24 <jorendc> thanks jmadero
21:06:29 <jorendc> 1072 bugs found. ... i'm going to do 1 more bug (or work until 2200 hour (5 minutes :p) here)
21:06:36 <jorendc> then I'm going to study a bit more
21:07:22 <jorendc> (yes, 2 exams to go... Tuesday and Thursday :p)
21:13:37 <ertai_NL> jorendc: good luck
21:13:44 <jorendc> thanks ertai_NL :-)
21:14:09 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45349 last one was a hard one :p... And I can't find a proper priority for this one ...
21:14:13 <IZBot> bug 45349: LibreOffice-Formula Editor major/medium NEW Formula disappears after editing
21:15:12 <jorendc> many comments of people who had same experience, opening the test files I can 'see that formulas are dissapeared' ...
21:15:44 <jorendc> so therefore I mark this as NEW ... but there are no clear steps to reproduce... and following the flowchart I need to prioritize this bug as 'data loss' ...
21:16:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Better Gtk appareance || Embed LibreOffice inside an applet || Checking current release with a script
21:16:56 <jorendc> so following the flowchart I need to mark it as a critical ...
21:17:11 <jorendc> can you please look at it with your experienced eye :)?
21:19:06 <colonelqubit> jmadero: whoa...I've never seen that 'experts' page before
21:19:41 <jorendc> colonelqubit: :-) you're not alone ;-)
21:21:24 <colonelqubit> Any possibility that we could employ that list to help tackle tough q's on the Ask site?
21:22:03 <jorendc> don't know that's a task for core devs of that level :p
21:22:20 <colonelqubit> (if a question has remained unanswered for a week, we can manually ping a person with relevant knowledge by mentioning their @username)
21:23:45 <jorendc> mmh, I'm afraid I don't agree with that seeing implemented. Yes it'll be super effective to see answers on that difficult questions ... but I'm not convinced of the fact a core dev need to spend time on answering user questions.
21:24:01 <jorendc> but I can be wrong, and maybe that's a good question on the dev mailinglist?
21:24:10 <colonelqubit> moggi: you're on that list -- would you consider that appropriate use?
21:24:39 <moggi> ???
21:25:11 <moggi> I did not follow the discussion
21:25:30 <colonelqubit> moggi: looping-in users with area-expertise on the Ask site by mentioning their @username on the question (if it hasn't been answered for a week or two)
21:25:51 <colonelqubit> (I guess that partially depends upon how a user has set up notifications...)
21:26:46 <moggi> colonelqubit: if you mean findtheexpert I think it might not be such a good idea
21:27:00 <colonelqubit> ok
21:27:26 <moggi> colonelqubit: please keep in mind that these people are the experts for the code, not for user questions
21:27:31 <colonelqubit> Right now we don't have a game plan for tough questions
21:27:37 <moggi> there are often users out there knowing more than we do
21:27:49 * colonelqubit is a little surprised
21:28:39 <colonelqubit> I mean, I'd expect that there would be users with more general knowledge of LO than many of the devs
21:29:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59943] undefined: Dialog window won't disappear || [Bug 59944] VIEWING
21:29:19 <colonelqubit> but for a particular component, I'd generally assume that it's the devs that would know what features are available, limitations that exist, etc..
21:29:45 <moggi> we may know but often we would need to look it up in the code
21:30:00 <colonelqubit> okay. fair enough.
21:30:10 <moggi> and please keep in mind the people listed on that list are often already overloaded with work
21:30:44 <colonelqubit> We're still working on a biiiig backlog on the site, so tough q's are just punted for now
21:32:34 <colonelqubit> moggi: oh, I definitely understand that. I'm just trying to optimize our use of time, especially if power users (or devs) know the answers to tough q's off the top of their heads
21:34:10 <moggi> colonelqubit: try to post some of the tough questions to the user list
21:34:50 <moggi> you'll find some experienced people over there that have often quite a lot of time and are not yet that integrated into the LibO community
21:35:05 <colonelqubit> cool. I'll keep that in mind
21:35:20 <moggi> so both a chance to get new people and get the questions answered
21:36:34 <jorendc> jmadero: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1275/unable-to-connect-with-pipes-python-uno/ maybe one for you :p
21:36:44 <jmadero> it really seems like our team is growing
21:36:50 <jmadero> a lot more activity, seems like workflow is getting better
21:36:59 <colonelqubit> sounds like the advice from jmadero -- don't ask for help in general, ask for help with a specific item
21:37:07 <jorendc> indeed
21:37:09 <colonelqubit> (re: moggi's advice)
21:37:33 <colonelqubit> psychologically, a much better approach as well :-)
21:37:47 <jmadero> lol my pyuno skills are almost zero still, I'm doing UC Berkeley's first year python course online
21:38:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yesterday I send a Portuguese bug report to the Brazilian Discuss ML... I got within 4 houres an answer in reply of translation + 5 different tests on different platforms :p
21:39:00 <colonelqubit> that's....that's some darn fine work there
21:39:02 <jorendc> I just asked them simply (not with these words but as easy as it is): "here is a bug, please translate and try to reproduce"
21:39:03 <jorendc> :p
21:39:48 <jorendc> jmadero: any stats about that?
21:39:49 <colonelqubit> It's like the kid who hits a home run during his first time at the plate.
21:39:59 <jmadero> jorendc: stats for what?
21:40:01 <colonelqubit> "Did I...did I do well?"
21:40:08 <colonelqubit> "yeah, you did well, kid"
21:40:11 <jorendc> :p
21:40:23 <jorendc> jmadero: "a lot more activity, seems like workflow is getting better"
21:40:30 * jorendc is stats-addicted
21:42:06 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Have you read any of nate silver's stuff? I never have time, but sounds like he's one smart cookie
21:42:36 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no I didn't
21:42:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: any link?
21:44:31 <jmadero> jorendc: lol I am stats addicted ;)
21:44:36 <jmadero> I have the daily snapshot from FDO
21:44:40 <jmadero> this week I'll see about activity
21:45:28 <jorendc> nice
21:45:30 <jorendc> can't wait for that :D
21:45:44 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Here's a link to nate silver's blog for nyt: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/
21:46:00 <colonelqubit> jorendc: He's also written a book or two. Latest one is called "The signal and the noise"
21:47:49 <jorendc> :p I can't follow colonelqubit. If I'm right nate silver is a blogger about politics etc (or am I wrong)?
21:48:06 <jorendc> I'm confused why you asked that :p. Is that related to something I said?
21:48:16 * jorendc is confused
21:48:29 <colonelqubit> jorendc: He's a stats guy. verry smart
21:48:45 <jorendc> oooh, I see :-)
21:48:53 <jorendc> Yes I marked that while scrolling through his blog
21:51:06 <colonelqubit> Gotta run. Fun chatting as always.
21:51:23 * colonelqubit wanders off in the direction of the Chuck Wagon.
21:52:14 <jmadero> Nate Silver is a brilliant statistian
21:52:19 <jmadero> I'm not sure if he has a stats background
21:52:25 <jorendc> have a good day colonelqubit :-)
21:52:26 <jmadero> but he predicted the US presidency a year in advance
21:52:34 <jorendc> lol
21:55:08 <jmadero> jorendc: 174 comments in 24 hours
21:55:28 <jorendc> wow :)
21:58:46 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=217824&query_based_on=QA-stats&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=-1D&product=LibreOffice&known_name=QA-stats
21:58:53 <jmadero> 359 in 48 hours
21:59:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59944] VIEWING Comments in Calc
21:59:20 <jorendc> 109 in that list using FDO (but this are all unique bugs). I think your number is the amount of total changes
21:59:21 <jorendc> isn't it?
21:59:39 <jmadero> no it's just total comments
21:59:44 <jmadero> sum of all comments on FDO in libreoffice
22:00:17 <jorendc> nice
22:00:24 <jorendc> I think we did great this weekend :d
22:00:57 <jorendc> Now I can 'track' my own 'stats'
22:01:11 <jorendc> using that QA contact field
22:01:33 <jorendc> 43 bugs commented and triaged etc this weekend :)
22:01:49 <jorendc> correction 39
22:02:08 <jmadero> 49 more bugs marked as NEW
22:02:09 <jmadero> in 24 hours
22:02:55 <jorendc> :D
22:03:05 <jorendc> and how many bugs where added to LO?
22:03:27 <jorendc> (so we can see that we're drowning or pumping)
22:04:08 <jmadero> 2
22:04:10 <jmadero> 21*
22:04:21 <jorendc> Jbfaure: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59918
22:04:24 <IZBot> bug 59918: LibreOffice-filters and storage major/high UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE: FILEOPEN: save document as docx and reopen result in an freeze/endless loop
22:04:34 <jorendc> can you do me a favor ;-)
22:04:42 <jorendc> and try to reproduce please
22:05:04 <jorendc> nice :o... so we did a -28 today... I think we did great :D...
22:05:42 <jorendc> but I love triaging on weekends ... not that many bugs added etc (just an assumption/feeling)
22:05:50 <jmadero> ;p;
22:05:52 <jmadero> haha
22:05:56 <jmadero> I will in a minute, finishing a game
22:05:56 <jmadero> ;)
22:06:44 <jorendc> jmadero: no problem
22:06:47 <jorendc> jmadero: you're winning :D?
22:07:00 <jmadero> hell no
22:07:02 <jmadero> getting owned
22:07:05 <jorendc> lol
22:07:07 <jorendc> which game?
22:07:31 <jmadero> Modern Warfare 2
22:07:40 <jorendc> hehe
22:08:52 <Jbfaure> jorendc: In progress :-)
22:09:08 <jorendc> Jbfaure: thanks :D
22:09:37 <jmadero> crap
22:10:06 <jmadero> Jbfaure: put your name as QA person :)
22:10:34 <jmadero> jorendc: doesn't show up in 3.6?
22:10:48 <jorendc> I have no 3.6 to test with ...
22:11:11 <jmadero> testing now
22:12:31 <jmadero> jorendc: freezes during save...
22:12:41 <jmadero> okay saved
22:12:43 <jmadero> opening onw
22:13:43 <jmadero> jorendc: same
22:13:44 <jmadero> freeze
22:13:55 <jorendc> jmadero: thanks to reproduce :)
22:14:34 <jorendc> jmadero: you tested with 3.6?
22:14:52 <jmadero> jorendc: yes
22:14:54 <jmadero> 3.6.4.3
22:15:04 <jorendc> ok, so it's not a regression so far :-)
22:17:30 <Jbfaure> jmadero: where ? in the field QA contact of the bug report ?
22:17:41 <jmadero> Jbfaure: I added my name, but feel free to change it
22:17:42 <jmadero> QA contact
22:18:40 <jmadero> think my friend is going to start triaging ;)
22:25:06 <Jbfaure> jmadero: do you reproduce the same crash as me in fdo#59931 ?
22:25:09 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/high NEW Crash when starting wizard if icons set has been changed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59931
22:27:51 <jorendc> thanks jmadero and Jbfaure to look at it :-)
22:30:49 <jmadero> jorendc: how do I reset my 4.1 master profile?
22:30:52 <jmadero> not sure where it's stored
22:31:10 <jorendc> I know where it's stored using Mac OSX
22:31:15 <jorendc> don't know in linux :p
22:31:17 <jmadero> thought you tested with Mint
22:31:48 <jorendc> jmadero: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile#User_profile_location
22:32:20 <jorendc> which bug jmadero ?
22:34:12 <jmadero> oh nevermind that was jbfaure :)
22:34:20 <jmadero> time to eat, be back
22:34:27 <jorendc> enjoy your meal jmadero
23:00:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59947] EDITING: 'Sound' icon replaces exiting element || [Bug 59916] FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with basic functions result in many ERR:508
23:09:59 <jorendc> ping moggi
23:10:04 <jorendc> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59916
23:10:07 <IZBot> bug 59916: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with basic functions result in many ERR:508
23:11:04 <jmadero> Jbfaure: no crash for me
23:12:20 <jmadero> jorendc: after some time that .docx file opens up, the one that freezes
23:12:20 <Jbfaure> jmadero: Argh ! I do not understand what happens in my installation. :-(
23:12:37 <jmadero> Jbfaure: very strange :-/
23:12:50 <jmadero> but I'm running 4.1 master
23:12:51 <jmadero> not rc2
23:13:12 <jmadero> I haven't pulled in several days though, so I don't think that there would be a difference
23:15:07 <jorendc> mmh jmadero so opening that document is just euh ... quite endless :p?
23:15:20 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah, no clue how long it took to open
23:15:24 <jmadero> but I just saw that it was open
23:15:25 <jorendc> the document now opens? (after an hour or so :p?)
23:15:33 <jmadero> lol well saving has a long delay also
23:16:28 <jorendc> so, just a huge import filter to run through?
23:16:34 * jorendc going to try again
23:16:36 <jmadero> think so
23:18:50 <jmadero> Jbfaure: who marked that one as NEW?
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23:19:12 <Jbfaure> jmadero: me
23:20:45 <jmadero> Jbfaure: ah, okay. So far no independent confirmation?
23:20:49 <Jbfaure> jmadero: I do not remember if it was P. Mladek or Miklos who saw that in the case of a crash, you can mark the bug as new yourself.
23:21:01 <jmadero> Jbfaure: hm, okay :)
23:21:07 <Jbfaure> jmadero: indeed
23:21:25 <jmadero> as contributors we definitely can, but this one is strange as there is no independent confirmation and more so, multiple people saying "works fine"
23:21:27 <jmadero> quite strange
23:21:50 <jmadero> there is a crash report so....geeze
23:21:53 <jmadero> (confused)
23:22:23 <Jbfaure> jmadero: yes but my tests are on rc2 and 4.0.1.0+ not on 4.1
23:22:33 <jmadero> my 4.1 should have been the same as RC2
23:22:37 <jmadero> since I haven't pulled
23:22:46 <jmadero> or virtually identical
23:22:52 <jmadero> okay I'll test RC2 right now, give me 10 minutes
23:31:57 <Jbfaure> jmadero: thanks :-)
23:35:18 <jmadero> does RC2 use the regular profile?
23:39:25 <jmadero> Jbfaure: still no crash :-/
23:41:12 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59916 which priority to give that. Opening and adding basic calc functions (like =AVERAGE() ) result in an ERR:508.
23:41:16 <IZBot> bug 59916: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with basic functions result in many ERR:508
23:41:21 <jorendc> only Linux is as far I can see affected
23:41:37 <jorendc> and saving using Linux and reopening using mac OSX doens't result in loss of data
23:42:16 <moggi> jorendc: and it only affects 4.0.0.2?
23:42:21 <Jbfaure> jmadero: Ok, thank you :-/
23:42:23 <jorendc> don't know
23:42:37 <jorendc> can't verify using 4.1 yet -> building
23:43:09 <jmadero> jorendc: I'd say Normal -> highest + regression (is it a regression)
23:43:14 <jmadero> regressions are being handled incredibly fast right now
23:43:25 <jmadero> Major though would be appropriate also
23:43:58 <jmadero> I'd say normal -> highest if I was doing it
23:44:51 <jmadero> Jbfaure: I'd recommend sending an email out through mailing list
23:44:56 <jmadero> that way a few more QA people look at it
23:46:43 <Jbfaure> jmadero: you're right. I will ask tomorrow, I need to sleep now.  0h35 for me. Bye :-)
23:46:50 <jmadero> Jbfaure: goodnight
23:47:49 <moggi> guys I need some more information about fdo#59916
23:47:52 <jorendc> :p indeed ... 0:36 here :D
23:47:56 <jorendc> shoot moggi
23:47:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/highest NEW FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with basic functions result in many ERR:508 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59916
23:48:16 <moggi> who can reproduce it and does it work after a CTRL+SHIFT+F9?
23:48:28 <jorendc> I already tried that moggi
23:48:33 <jorendc> still reproducible :)
23:48:35 <jorendc> but I'll try again
23:48:41 <jmadero> jorendc: does that fix it
23:48:44 <jmadero> ctrl shift f9
23:48:54 <jorendc> -> still reproducible :)
23:48:58 <moggi> and creating a new document with these formulas?
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23:49:06 <jorendc> I'll check it right away again ...
23:49:09 <jorendc> moggi: I'll test that
23:49:16 <jorendc> I'm not the creator of this file
23:49:39 <jorendc> I only saw this behavior and reported it. A bit later after that I saw a duplicate
23:49:40 <jmadero> I'm testing also
23:49:44 <jorendc> so more users are affected
23:49:47 <moggi> I know, I got the report about that file this morning but without anybody being able to reproduce it
23:50:11 <moggi> and only about this single file so I'm not sure that there is something wrong yet
23:50:22 <moggi> especially when it works in master
23:50:38 <jorendc> I can't try to reproduce in master yet -> building :-)
23:50:46 <jorendc> as soon that's possible I'll add my findigns
23:50:46 <jmadero> jorendc: you can run 4.1 when it's building
23:50:52 <jmadero> (I am doing this right now)
23:51:13 <jmadero> jorendc: I cannot reproduce, all the #'s are there
23:51:47 <jmadero> with master, let me try with 4.0.0.2
23:52:26 <jorendc> euh ... I think it's a localization issue :s
23:52:42 <jorendc> If jmadero can't reproduce ... It's confirmed it's a localization
23:52:57 <jmadero> jorendc: also can't confirm on rc2
23:53:00 <jorendc> I opened it using 4.0.0.2 rc2 with Dutch UI -> err:508
23:53:09 <jorendc> moggi: it's a localization problem
23:53:20 <jorendc> opened with dutch UI 4.0.0.2 rc2 -> err:508
23:53:36 <jorendc> opened with english (USA) -> opens fine
23:54:35 <moggi> what is the dutch name for average?
23:54:43 <jorendc> =GEMMIDELD()
23:55:05 <moggi> makes sense ;)
23:55:17 <jorendc> =GEMIDDELDE()
23:55:19 <jorendc> (correction)
23:55:34 <moggi> ok let me think a bit
23:55:58 <moggi> please add your findings to the bug report, I'll take the rest
23:56:11 <moggi> I had hoped to prevent such a thing
23:56:48 <jorendc> I will :)
23:58:11 <moggi> WTF? and of course I will not be able to reproduce such a problem in my own build
23:59:00 <moggi> can you try to reproduce it with an older build? you need one that includes more languages, so not a default own build
23:59:47 <jorendc> mmh moggi ... how to ...
00:00:26 <jorendc> I installed 4.0.0.2 rc2 and did a desktop-integration. After that I just installed a language pack
00:00:41 <moggi> download the official rc1 build with several languages
00:00:49 <jorendc> ok
00:00:57 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll do the same
00:01:06 <moggi> jorendc: yes, and do something similar for rc1, best in a virtual machine
00:01:21 <jorendc> I can't handle VM moggi ... lack of knowledge :p
00:01:23 <moggi> I'M currently updating my build so can't do much for the next 2 hours
00:01:28 * jorendc need to learn that very fast :s
00:01:35 <jmadero> jorendc: it's quite straight forward
00:01:39 <jmadero> although I don't use them any more :)
00:02:45 <jorendc> jmadero: any 'name' I can search on the internet for a walkthrough to set up a vm?
00:03:02 <moggi> virtual box
00:04:23 <jmadero> ^^ or vm player
00:04:34 <jmadero> I'm testing polish version of rc1
00:05:04 <jorendc> thanks :)
00:05:09 <jorendc> mmh jmadero where did you download rc1
00:05:14 <jorendc> can't find it on the server anymore
00:06:35 <jmadero> jorendc: I already had it ;)
00:06:57 <jorendc> shuck :p
00:08:48 <jmadero> no problem for me rc1 polish
00:14:30 <moggi> jmadero: can you check if in your polish ui english function names are accepted?
00:14:46 <jmadero> moggi: like do =average()
00:14:49 <jmadero> with polish ui
00:15:12 <moggi> yes
00:15:25 <jmadero> no they don't
00:15:34 <jmadero> I get #NAZWA?
00:15:38 <jorendc> lol
00:16:05 <jorendc> following translator is NAZWA=NAME
00:16:12 <jmadero> moggi: but the other ones were imported and changed
00:16:14 <jorendc> cool
00:16:18 <jorendc> my NAZWA is Joren :p
00:16:24 <jmadero> moggi: average becamse ŚREDNIA(B7:K7)
00:17:34 <moggi> that does not make sense, I see no pattern
00:17:52 <moggi> well at least if it is not a regression between rc1 and rc2
00:18:01 <jmadero> well I only tested the polish ui
00:18:06 <jmadero> should I test Dutch?
00:18:15 <moggi> jmadero: can you check if it is still true for polish rc2?
00:18:26 <jmadero> moggi: sure, it's likely that it is a regression right?
00:18:32 <jmadero> or it's language specific
00:18:34 <jmadero> which would be....quite weird
00:19:08 <jorendc> that would be weird...
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00:19:14 <moggi> I have no idea, I have only one suspect but I don't think it changed between RC1 and RC2
00:19:32 <jmadero> moggi: uninstalling RC1, testing RC2
00:24:25 <jmadero> moggi: looks fine
00:24:49 <moggi> ok then I'm out of ideas
00:24:52 <jmadero> moggi: but using English "Average" gives same result, not sure if that is expected
00:25:47 <moggi> why would there be code in calc's formula compiler that only affect a few languages?
00:26:02 <jmadero> moggi: do we have independent confirmation it affects a language?
00:26:07 <jmadero> jorendc: let me try dutch
00:26:13 <jorendc> ok :)
00:26:15 <jmadero> jorendc: you see this problem with Dutch RC2?
00:26:20 <moggi> jmadero: I got the initial bug report from frenc people
00:26:43 <jorendc> jmadero: opening attached file result in ERR:508
00:26:44 <jmadero> moggi: I'll try French also then
00:26:48 <jorendc> don't know exactly what you tried
00:26:51 <jmadero> this is the "gas" file right?
00:26:56 <jorendc> yes
00:26:56 <jmadero> I just opened the file and saw numbers
00:27:02 <jmadero> no ERR
00:27:24 <jmadero> testing French and dutch
00:27:50 <jmadero> jorendc: and when you set the UI, do you set everything else?
00:27:56 <jmadero> in language settings
00:28:00 <jorendc> no
00:28:09 <jorendc> only UI language -> USA = good
00:28:12 <jorendc> Dutch = bad
00:28:27 <jmadero> ...that could be the issue
00:28:29 <jmadero> moggi: ^^
00:28:34 <jmadero> if you only set the UI but nothign else
00:28:36 <jmadero> I didn't test that
00:28:38 <jmadero> give me a minute
00:29:36 <jorendc> btw jmadero & moggi: it also depend on zoom level ... If I'm playing around with zoom level sometimes I see ERR:508, otherwise I see cells filled with ####
00:30:15 <jorendc> but zoomlevel 100% is consisent err:508
00:30:37 <jmadero> ...Dutch looks fine to me
00:30:56 <jmadero> although...sorry for my ignorance but when I installed DE....it says "German" in my UI
00:32:56 <jmadero> I'll know 10 more languages by the end of today
00:32:56 <jmadero> ;)
00:33:04 <jmadero> French looks fine to me as well
00:34:10 <jorendc> haha
00:34:18 <jmadero> I cannot reproduce this bug at all, French, DE, English, Polish
00:34:22 <jmadero> all on RC2 look fine
00:34:26 <jmadero> Polish on RC1 is fine
00:34:30 <jorendc> jmadero: moggi: I added 2 screenshots of my language settings
00:34:34 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59916
00:34:36 <IZBot> bug 59916: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/highest NEW FILEOPEN: Importing a spreadsheet with basic functions result in many ERR:508
00:34:54 <moggi> jorendc: #### is just the sign that the string is too long for the current column width
00:35:03 <moggi> it will vanish when you increase the column width
00:35:08 <jmadero> I see another bug there in your image
00:35:11 <jmadero> letters cut off in the dialog
00:35:35 <moggi> jorendc: what is the locale of your computer?
00:35:45 <jorendc> Also dutch
00:35:48 <jmadero> ...why does mine say German when I installed DE package...
00:36:08 <jorendc> DE = Deutsch jmadero
00:36:12 <jorendc> ... NL = Dutch
00:36:15 <jmadero> ....god dammit
00:36:18 <jmadero> testing again
00:36:19 <jorendc> :D
00:36:26 <jmadero> I am not worldly at all
00:36:30 <jorendc> NL = netherlands :p
00:37:17 <moggi> jorendc: can you please try another ui locale?
00:37:33 <moggi> if you can reproduce it in another locale I might have finally an idea
00:37:40 <moggi> or at least an idea for a pattern
00:37:49 <jorendc> sure :)
00:38:01 <moggi> and it would explain why jmadero and I can't see it
00:38:18 <jorendc> moggi: can I change this right away (i'm using Linux Mint), or do I need to install a new version in vm?
00:39:27 <jorendc> I'm installing virtualbox at the moment
00:39:33 <jmadero> jorendc: you should be able to do it in Mint
00:39:36 <jmadero> (not sure hwo)
00:40:04 <jmadero> I don't even have the same settings as you
00:40:08 <jmadero> for instance EUR Standard
00:40:09 <jmadero> don't have it
00:40:12 <jmadero> I have to choose a country
00:40:23 <jorendc> :p
00:40:24 <jmadero> (choosing EUR Netherlands)
00:40:37 <jorendc> that's quite normal jmadero
00:40:44 <jorendc> default currency is EUR here :p
00:40:49 <jorendc> for you is 'default' USD
00:41:12 <jmadero> another test, cleared fine
00:41:46 <jorendc> Ok
00:41:50 <jorendc> I'm setting up vm right now
00:42:09 <jorendc> (creating fixed medium storage and all stuff like that)
00:42:31 <jmadero> I'm convinced it's a locale issue for system wide
00:42:39 <jmadero> 5 languages all okay on my side
00:43:02 <jorendc> mmh ... I'm thinking about installing in which language :p
00:43:12 <jorendc> moggi: is french ok?
00:43:58 <moggi> jorendc: yes as long as it is no en_* it should be fine
00:44:12 <moggi> jorendc: no you should only change the libo ui
00:44:39 <jorendc> oh lol :p
00:45:21 <moggi> as jmadero mentioned I suspect that the system language is important too but I need erack for confirmation in the end
00:45:54 <moggi> I'm using en_US as well and have never seen a problem
00:47:59 <jorendc> ok
00:48:36 <moggi> and I might have one idea why it happens
00:48:47 <jorendc> using french UI -> no problem moggi
00:48:56 <jmadero> bingo
00:49:05 <jmadero> okay now I'm curious, installing Netherland locale for Bodhi
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00:49:53 <moggi> jorendc: does that mean that you can't reproduce the problem with french localisation?
00:50:09 <jorendc> with french UI I indeed can't reproduce
00:50:13 <jmadero> moggi: for LibO only, he's using EN locale
00:50:14 <jmadero> I believe
00:50:17 <jmadero> jorendc: correct??
00:50:58 <jorendc> I'm only changing Libo UI versions right now
00:51:19 <jmadero> jorendc: and your system wide locale is EN?
00:51:23 <moggi> that breaks my ideas
00:51:35 <jorendc> system locale = Dutch
00:51:46 <jmadero> ....
00:51:48 <jmadero> wtf
00:51:48 <jorendc> and with Dutch Libo UI -> ERR:508
00:52:04 <jorendc> with french/english libo UI -> opens perfect
00:52:15 <jmadero> okay so new idea
00:52:39 <jmadero> it is only an issue for non EN system locale when the UI for LibreOffice is the same as that locale
00:52:59 <jorendc> I was thinking that too...
00:53:11 <jmadero> testing Telugu
00:53:12 <jorendc> but you can't reproduce using EN system AND EN libo ...
00:53:23 <jorendc> (you = jmadero )
00:53:24 <jmadero> wait, LibO doesn't have Telugu trans
00:53:25 <jmadero> dangit
00:53:26 <jmadero> lol
00:53:30 <jmadero> jorendc: correct
00:53:37 <jmadero> which makes sense as AVERAGE is EN to begin with
00:53:43 <jmadero> no translation needed
00:53:47 <jorendc> so, ... that's true...
00:54:19 <jmadero> going to test Netherland locale
00:54:22 <jmadero> if I can figure out how
00:55:08 <jmadero> hm, I don't see that locale, okay continuing
00:55:39 <jmadero> testing french...this should be....crappy
00:55:44 <jmadero> my whole system si going to be in french
00:56:03 <jorendc> lol
00:57:50 * colonelqubit hates dealing with SPAM
00:57:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: seriously, asklibo is TERRIBLE
00:58:03 <jmadero> I wish we could sue
00:58:05 <jmadero> I suspect we can
00:58:14 <jorendc> indeed
00:58:46 <jorendc> jmadero: ... or rights to IP ban users...
00:59:16 <jmadero> suing is so much more fun
00:59:21 <jmadero> ah crap, here it goes
00:59:24 <jmadero> french...everything
00:59:47 <jorendc> hehe; common cava jmadero?
01:00:09 <jmadero> not grea
01:00:09 <jmadero> t
01:00:10 <jmadero> lol
01:01:36 <jmadero> moggi: ....it's perfect still
01:01:55 <jmadero> and I know system wide locale change worked because on a fresh profile LibreOffice opened a french version
01:03:42 <jorendc> ok... jmadero moggi I'm going to sleep. What I'm going to do: I'll email tomorrow the Dutch mailing list. I know there are some people testing rc2 right now, so I think I'll get a response quite fast
01:04:29 <jmadero> jorendc: have a good night
01:04:33 <jmadero> I'm also retiring from LibO for the da
01:04:34 <jmadero> y
01:05:07 <jorendc> :-) thanks jmadero have a good evening/day over there
01:05:14 <jorendc> and thanks moggi for your time (again :) )
01:06:23 <jorendc> bye
01:12:24 <colonelqubit> UGGGGH
01:13:12 <colonelqubit> Ask site SPAM has EXPLODED. I probably won't get through to the IT admins until tomorrow...
01:13:19 <jmadero> moggi: could it be if EN locale isn't installed at all?
01:13:31 <jmadero> I tried FR but I had EN locale still installed....would that make a difference
01:13:59 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I think we should talk to our attorney's....I am relatively sure it's a crime
01:14:45 <colonelqubit> I don't think we'll make much headway that way
01:15:10 <colonelqubit> I just don't have any access to the backend right now
01:15:22 <colonelqubit> so I can't actually do anything to stem the tide
01:18:40 <moggi> jmadero: I have no idea, I might have an idea what is wrong code-wise but only erack knows how the different locale settings affect formula parsing
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01:31:11 <moggi> ok, my idea does not make sense at all
01:35:27 <jmadero> moggi: I'm tempted to try on a live boot of Ubuntu with French locale
01:35:35 <jmadero> I wonder if I can even navigate though...
01:37:24 <moggi> jmadero: no, let me get my build and debug a bit, otherwise I'll talk to erack tomorrow
01:37:33 <jmadero> moggi: okay
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02:32:04 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Ask site a little more locked-down now. Could you do me a favor?
02:35:04 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what's up
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02:35:40 <colonelqubit> ask site is locked down now . Just curious what happens if users try to post. Here's the playground question: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3598/is-there-a-wiki-style-playground-on-this-site/
02:35:59 <jmadero> colonelqubit: so you just want me to try to post?
02:36:00 <colonelqubit> could you try to post a new answer there (just say "testing" or something)
02:36:03 <colonelqubit> yep
02:36:14 <colonelqubit> wondering if I'll get any kind of notification email
02:37:47 <jmadero> colonelqubit: never done this before ;) trying to leave a comment now
02:37:56 <colonelqubit> thanks
02:38:14 <jmadero> colonelqubit: done
02:39:21 <colonelqubit> any warnings/messages from the site? I don't see your comment -- I assume everything is being held in moderation
02:40:07 <jmadero> no message
02:40:14 <jmadero> (heading out though) sorry
02:40:19 <jmadero> was just on for a minute
02:40:32 <colonelqubit> no worries. thanks for the test
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10:40:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59963] PDF, SLIDESHOW Images disappear in slide show mode and in exported PDF
11:10:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59962] Counting: choose number of characters for the whole document || [Bug 59966] Fails to update 4.0.0.0.beta2 By 4.1.0.0. Master || [Bug 59965] UI: program crash dialog looks unfinished
12:47:58 <jorendc> hi pje335_nl
12:48:11 <pje335_nl> hi
12:53:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Edit dates for new year on chart || combination of icons from different set
13:13:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59968] Some unprotected cells on protected sheet cand be modified
13:43:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59969] Clear screen during Logo program execution can crash LibreOffice
13:53:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem with tables and multi-column sections
14:13:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59970] Help > About Dialog Takes 5-6 Seconds To Open
14:23:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I make a report builder work in ubuntu 12.04 x64?
14:43:13 <pje335_NL> hi all got a problem: wen i look at a bug report and the put a file (like a screenshot or document) i can't download it i only get a lot of tekst that i can't read. does some one know how to fix it ?
14:43:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59974] EDITING: A character string does not change into the date. || [Bug 59973] FILESAVE row height export to xlsx still buggy
14:53:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to propagate paragraph "Next Style" settings to existing content || Delete entire row if text contains .jpg
15:04:45 <pje335_NL> hi all got a problem: wen i look at a bug report and the put a file (like a screenshot or document) i can't download it i only get a lot of tekst that i can't read. does some one know how to fix it ?
15:05:34 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
15:05:36 <jorendc> sure :)
15:05:45 <jorendc> that's because of the 'mime type'
15:06:11 <jorendc> or you right click on the link and choose 'Koppeling opslaan als' (=dutch)
15:06:47 <jorendc> but it's better to change it so everybody can see it. This can be done by clicking on 'details' behind the attachment
15:07:00 <jorendc> and then again on 'edit details' (behind the title)
15:07:19 <jorendc> there you can see a field called MIME type
15:07:29 <jorendc> based on the extension of the filename (field above)
15:07:36 <jorendc> you can search on the internet for a proper mime type
15:07:47 <jorendc> png has mime type image/png for example
15:09:13 <jorendc> odt has mime type: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text
15:09:15 <pje335_NL> jorendc: yeah it works thank you :)
15:09:18 <jorendc> etc etc :-)
15:09:22 <jorendc> pje335_NL: superb
15:09:27 <jorendc> thanks for helping us pje335_NL :-)
15:10:05 <pje335_NL> mp
15:10:07 <pje335_NL> np*
15:10:17 <jorendc> pje335_NL: but we try to fix it that it'll search for a proper mime type by default (now the default setting to upload an attachment is 'plain/text' ... so you see a mess :p)
15:11:14 <jorendc> pje335_NL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg that's an interesting flowchart we use to prioritize bugs
15:11:56 <pje335_NL> jorendc:  tank you thats helpful
15:12:05 <jorendc> I always add to my comments why I mark a bug with that priority level
15:12:40 <jorendc> such as 'Following [1] I mark this bug as 'high critical' and then a rule further [1] = https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg )
15:13:32 <pje335_NL> oke
15:14:18 <jorendc> if you have questions or don't know how to mark a certain bug, you always can ask our opinions
15:14:46 <pje335_NL> i wil do that
15:14:57 <jorendc> pje335_NL: if I'm only you also can 'ping' me. That's just typing my name in a comment (like I do now <- see your name at the beginning)
15:15:35 <pje335_NL> jorendc:  yes i know how to do that
15:15:36 <jorendc> if you type the first letter(s) of a IRC-name and hit TAB you can type a user name very fast :-)... even the hardest ones :p
15:15:41 <jorendc> superb :D
15:20:58 <jorendc> oh yeah pje335_NL ... forgot to tell
15:21:24 <jorendc> during our 'QA Call' we agreed that'll try to use the 'QA Contact' field as much as possible
15:22:05 <jorendc> so we can be 'sure' that the bug has a relevant priority and is checked by a 'known QA-member'
15:22:34 <pje335_NL> jorendc: QA call?
15:23:21 <jorendc> QA call is a 'conference call' where QA member can discuss QA related stuff etc
15:23:47 <jorendc> (it's a telephone conversation with multiple QA members)
15:23:57 <pje335_NL> oke
15:24:21 <jorendc> we organize this every 2 weeks (so bi-weekly)
15:29:10 <jorendc> pje335_NL: is that OK for you to us 'QA contact' field so we can see which bugs are triaged by a QA member and which aren't :)?
15:34:28 <pje335_NL> well i am always a bit 'bang' fot that things so i don't know yes
15:34:35 <pje335_NL> yet*
15:34:44 <pje335_NL> yes=yet
15:35:09 <jorendc> 'bang' = 'scared' :-)
15:35:20 <jorendc> euh, sure; no problem :-)
15:35:20 <pje335_NL> thx
15:35:36 <jorendc> if you're not confident of your triaging, no need to fill the QA field
15:36:10 <jorendc> otherwise you can ask us for help and we'll try to explain (following that flowchart) why we would like to mark it as such
15:39:21 <pje335_NL> oke
15:41:04 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I also learn new things every day :D thanks to other people; so feel free to ask questions
15:43:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59975] EDITING: Copy the dot but cannot paste the dot as unformatted text || [Bug 59976] MS Office Viso Text hidden by line
15:58:36 <jorendc> morning jmadero
15:58:53 <jmadero> jorendc: good afternoon :)
15:59:09 <jmadero> are Monday's dreaded in Europe like they are in the States?
15:59:11 <jorendc> :D
15:59:25 <jorendc> they are jmadero
15:59:32 <jmadero> lol
15:59:45 <jorendc> mood is below zero
15:59:46 <jorendc> :D
16:00:37 <jorendc> we have a great new nascent QA member -> pje335_NL
16:02:11 <jmadero> very nice
16:02:22 <jmadero> I'm trying to do Urmas' bug right now
16:02:35 <jmadero> Kohei was able to quasi reproduce it but couldn't figure out exactly how
16:03:05 <jorendc> jmadero: you mean this one? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59850
16:03:07 <IZBot> bug 59850: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW EDITING: Subject: The date is not displayed correctly.
16:03:13 <jorendc> LibreFun = Umas?
16:03:29 <jmadero> yeah Umas, but not that one
16:03:33 <jmadero> fdo#57464
16:03:35 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED RTF Copying across paragraphs creates broken ANSI content https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57464
16:04:00 <jorendc> urmas*
16:04:07 <jorendc> oh, no :p librefun is somebody else
16:04:25 <jorendc> I thought you're speaking about that bug kohei mailed us a minute ago
16:04:45 <jmadero> he emailed us a bug?
16:05:34 <jorendc> see QA mailinglist
16:05:54 <jorendc> probably a Windows-only bug
16:06:06 * jorendc staring windows on his laptop
16:06:14 * jorendc updates, here I come :D
16:06:59 <jmadero> I only get the QA digest
16:07:23 <jmadero> I really can't reproduce this f'ing bug
16:07:34 <jorendc> I think I can't either (I already tried that)
16:07:39 <jmadero> I'm tempted to close it and pull an Umas on Umas
16:07:48 <jmadero> meaning "are you stupid, what kind of bug report is this!?!?"
16:07:48 <jorendc> Message of kohei: I have hard time reproducing this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59850
16:07:49 <jmadero> ;)
16:07:50 <IZBot> bug 59850: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW EDITING: Subject: The date is not displayed correctly.
16:07:51 <jmadero> I would'nt do that
16:07:56 <jmadero> but it crossed my mind
16:07:58 <jorendc> lol :D
16:08:17 <jorendc> that crosses multiple times my mind ... :p
16:09:39 <jorendc> :D
16:14:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59977] EDITING: Copy table and paste as unformatted text not properly
16:14:12 <jmadero> kendy: are you the one leading personas code?
16:22:42 <pje335_NL> jorendc: and jmadero: you aloso do this in your spare time?
16:22:53 <jmadero> pje335_NL: yes
16:22:55 <jorendc> yes pje335_NL :)
16:23:01 <jmadero> which is becoming much less "spare" these days ;)
16:23:08 <jmadero> jorendc: you're on Windows right now?
16:23:23 <jorendc> at a speed my grandma will overpower... yes
16:23:30 <jmadero> LOL
16:23:33 <pje335_NL> some one alsk at the main :how do the developers make a living?
16:23:34 <jmadero> I just laughed in my office
16:23:34 <jmadero> haha
16:23:48 <jmadero> pje335_NL: some get paid by companies
16:23:53 <jmadero> pje335_NL: others only do it on the side
16:23:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how do I print guidelines for a spreadsheet || How to introduce dynamic tags in calc graph
16:23:57 <jmadero> (most don't get paid)
16:24:08 <jmadero> some of our core developers work for companies like Suse
16:24:10 <pje335_NL> witch companies?
16:24:11 <jmadero> and Canonical
16:24:18 <jorendc> :D jmadero ... 120 kb/s right now ... I tend to use torrent for sure ... but then I need to install some torrent stuff on my windows etc ... not that great :p
16:24:26 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah haha
16:24:37 <jmadero> jorendc: since you're on Windows.....could you test this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59770&list_id=218505
16:24:39 <IZBot> bug 59770: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED TABLE Writer pastes Word table in HTML format
16:25:10 <jorendc> I think sending every single bit by a carrier pigeon will be faster than this
16:25:27 <jmadero> jorendc: sounds like it's time to go get a coffee with your g/f
16:25:40 <jorendc> :p
16:28:52 <jorendc> jmadero: +1 for your comment on fdo#59722
16:28:55 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59722
16:30:18 <pje335_NL> sorry fot an other question
16:30:36 <jorendc> don't sorry pje335_NL :D shoot your question
16:30:50 <jorendc> we're glad you help us
16:31:56 <pje335_NL> but i just came past a bug with is the same bug as mine, so i want to mark is as a duplicate but wen i do that i only can set the status to resoleved but is is stil new
16:33:15 <pje335_NL> how can i put is as a duplicate and new
16:33:29 <jorendc> you can't do that, but that's the correct way
16:33:52 <jorendc> we are used to mark the latest (=newest) bug as a duplicate of an older reported bug
16:34:35 <pje335_NL> so you say its resolft but it is a duplicate of a new but  strage
16:34:40 <jorendc> this doesn't mean that the bug isn't there or is resolved, but this is a way to close the bug and link it to the initial one
16:34:41 <pje335_NL> but i will do that
16:34:57 <pje335_NL> oke
16:35:17 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you can click on 'marks as duplicate' that will indeed set it as RESOLVED DUPLICATE... but that's just a way to mark it :-)
16:35:27 <jorendc> the initial bug report is still there ... so the bug is still open
16:35:41 <pje335_NL> oke tanks for helping
16:35:47 <jorendc> all people in CC will be linked also to the original bug report :-)
16:35:58 <jorendc> you're welcome, fire away your questions :D
16:42:24 <jmadero> jorendc: becoming the pro :)
16:42:49 <jorendc> jmadero: naaah... just helping others with the stuff I learned from others
16:42:50 <jorendc> :D
16:45:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59978] EDITING: assistant does not read dates || [Bug 59979] copy and paste header
16:52:06 <pje335_NL> bye all i need to do some home work :'( see you later
16:54:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Calc 3.6.0.2 Ubuntu does not retain row height
16:58:43 <jmadero> jorendc: any idea where this user got the persona https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=73617
16:59:09 <jorendc> mmh
16:59:13 <jorendc> never saw that one :p
16:59:15 <jorendc> you want it too :D
16:59:18 <jorendc> ?
16:59:20 <jmadero> no I want to test the bug
16:59:21 <jmadero> lol
17:00:01 <jmadero> oh nevermind might not need it
17:03:21 <jorendc> lol... that cheers me up while triaging/testing: https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/326042
17:31:07 <jmadero> I made false promises to a user
17:31:08 <jmadero> haha
17:31:17 <jmadero> I didn't realize how hard text rotation is
17:46:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59980] Writer crashes in 64-bit Windows Pro x64 when opening a file saved under 32-bit Windows or 32/64-bit Linux
18:00:39 <jorendc> lol :D
18:00:44 <jorendc> sorry, had to eat :)
18:01:13 <jorendc> I'll not underestimate that :p
18:04:07 <jmadero> jorendc: more issues with the print saving preferences
18:04:16 <jorendc> 1055 bugs found.
18:04:19 <jorendc> oh, really?
18:04:25 <jorendc> 4.0.0.2 rc2?
18:04:32 <jmadero> no I mean diagnosing it
18:04:46 <jmadero> so I did a breakpoint on the line where the save function we thought was the cause comes up
18:04:54 <jorendc> yes
18:04:58 <jmadero> the function is called when the print dialog comes up and when you push Ok but it's not called when you push Cancel
18:05:48 <jorendc> mmh
18:06:03 <jorendc> jmadero: and is it called when you click to set an option?
18:06:09 <jorendc> check*
18:06:22 <jmadero> jorendc: good point, let me try
18:07:29 <jmadero> I'm getting decent at gdb
18:07:29 <jmadero> :)
18:08:21 <jorendc> nice :o
18:09:01 * jorendc promote jmadero as his gdb teacher after he finished his exams :D
18:09:46 <jmadero> lol still learning about the art of breaks
18:18:57 <jmadero> jorendc: yes that's it, any time you change a preference it calls it
18:19:23 <jorendc> :D
18:19:34 <jorendc> but I think that's not necessary ...
18:19:58 <jorendc> IF it's indeed already called when you click on 'ok' and discarded if you click on cancel...
18:20:27 <jorendc> BUT ... otherwise, what happens when we delete that entry? If we check an option and go to another tab?
18:20:53 <jorendc> maybe that'll result in a loss of settings while clicking on some
18:23:43 <jmadero> hm, tricky
18:24:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Color Dialog Box Disappears When Mouse Is Moved Over It || Templates have disappeared
18:25:17 <kendy> jmadero: Yes, Personas is my baby :-)
18:25:30 <jmadero> kendy: perfect, you got my email?
18:25:30 <kendy> jmadero: Any new bugreports?
18:25:49 <kendy> jmadero: I got, but still in a mail backlog after vacation, terribly sorry :-(
18:26:03 <jmadero> kendy: no worries just not sure if we want to do a fast change before release of stable
18:26:16 <jmadero> kendy: apparently firefox is abandoning the name of personas for these themes
18:26:46 <kendy> jmadero: Not possible now, the l10n people would kill us ;-)
18:26:54 <jmadero> kendy: ah, 4.1 then :)
18:26:59 <jmadero> although I like the name personas
18:27:04 <kendy> jmadero: Yes, 4.1
18:27:06 <jmadero> kendy:  any opinions about this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59611
18:27:08 <IZBot> bug 59611: LibreOffice-UI enhancement/medium UNCONFIRMED Use of personas
18:28:27 <jmadero> jorendc: more interesting details....
18:28:36 <kendy> jmadero: As you say - best to get the UI people involved.  The ideal of course would be to implement the Firefox add-on api, and browse directly in LO, but I don't think I'll be able to spend time on that :-(
18:28:38 <jmadero> jorendc: the save option is called even when you change preferences in the "General" tab
18:29:00 <jmadero> kendy:  I'll send an email out to the mailing list and see what they have to say
18:29:09 <jmadero> thanks :)
18:29:21 <jmadero> kendy: great work by the way
18:29:39 <jmadero> my wife said "wow, that looks great" (she's not keen on compliments about computer stuff)
18:30:04 <jmadero> jorendc: I want to find out how Spreadsheet is handling saves
18:30:06 <jorendc> jmadero: interesting indeed
18:30:32 <jorendc> jmadero: can you find out where that function is called?
18:30:33 <kendy> jmadero: Thanks :-) - happy to hear that
18:31:02 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm digging through code now
18:31:15 <jmadero> jorendc:  Spreadsheet handles it much differently
18:31:17 <jorendc> kendy: not my wife but my sis (also computer noob) said quite the same (I pushed here already to use firefox and learned how to set a persona :p)
18:31:46 <jorendc> kendy: the words that come out where: "COOOOOOOOOL" :D
18:32:55 <jmadero> jorendc: Spreadsheet is much more eloquent with preferences....
18:33:06 <kendy> jorendc: :-))
18:33:19 * jorendc going to search the word 'eloquent' in his English-Dutch dictionary
18:33:38 <jorendc> ooh, yes :-)
18:33:51 * kendy has to go for the evening - see you guys! :-)
18:33:53 <jmadero> jorendc: it looks like every preference option is handled independently
18:33:56 <jmadero> kendy: take it easy!
18:34:00 <jorendc> euh jmadero what do you mean by that ... better or just in 'another way'
18:34:02 <jorendc> bye kendy
18:34:15 <jmadero> jorendc: I mean it looks like it's handled indpendently so it's clearer
18:34:16 <jorendc> jmadero: with spreadsheet, or in writer?
18:34:19 <jmadero> writer
18:34:22 <jorendc> ooh ok :)
18:34:31 <jmadero> vs in spreadsheet it's that one function, which is being called much too often
18:34:45 <jmadero> I'm not even sure why it's called when the print dialog opens
18:34:50 <jmadero> it doesn't have to be called until you actually push okay
18:35:25 <jorendc> jmadero: to preset the options maybe?
18:35:50 <jorendc> maybe while initilizing it'll call the default settings/saved settings in your 'option' tab
18:36:02 <jorendc> and store it imediately in local variables?
18:36:05 <jmadero> jorendc: perhaps, but let me try something, if I comment out the fields, it'll be interesting to see what defaults are
18:36:15 <jorendc> indeed
18:38:13 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to oblige myself not to start coding right now. I'm overlooking some curriculum (or what the correct translation may be of that word) :p
18:38:48 <jorendc> 'the things I have exam on tomorrow :p'
18:39:43 <jorendc> jmadero: you read http://www.zdnet.com/libreoffice-4-0-the-big-changes-will-be-under-the-hood-7000010383/ ?
18:40:07 <jmadero> jorendc: I hadn't, reading now
18:40:52 <jorendc> I laught very hard with a comment a reader made (i'm searching)
18:41:28 <jorendc> comment at the second comment-page of daftkey 27 January, 2013 23:37
18:42:30 <jorendc> "It seems like many major FOSS development efforts are undertaken by newly graduated CompSci students who look at perfectly well running software source code and think "well, my last textbook says that it's best to do a merge sort instead of a tree sort, so let's focus on re-writing that logic here."
18:42:54 <jorendc> (and the following text in that paragraph)
18:43:13 <jmadero> jorendc: I agreed with some of the comments, as for end user experience, I'm not sure I agree with what the writer said
18:43:25 <jorendc> Indeed, exactly the same
18:43:30 <jmadero> so many bugs have been fixed, I have to think the end user will have a better experience
18:43:41 <jorendc> but I find these comments on such articles very interesting (for sure as a QA member)
18:45:16 <jmadero> yeah
18:45:27 <jmadero> my general opinion mimicks one of the comments
18:45:33 <jmadero> ultimately we should focus on "what do MOST users want"
18:45:43 <jmadero> and I can name a few things that we currently don't have that we should
18:46:00 <jmadero> interoperability with MS is probably the largest
18:46:15 <jmadero> most notable for me are margin errors, image placement errors and selecting entire columns for formulas
18:46:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59981] UI: Tab type switch in ruler has not intuitive order
18:47:04 <jorendc> I agree with these points
18:47:35 <jmadero> jorendc: I think QA can steer the direction of fixes as we get FDO under control though
18:48:00 <jorendc> Yes, that's one of my motivation for this QA work
18:48:28 <jorendc> and I think we all do want a 'better product' every single release
18:48:31 <jorendc> so nothing wrong there
18:48:52 <jmadero> jorendc: true
18:49:14 <jorendc> but prioritizing the things need to be fixed etc is not our best work right now
18:49:29 <jorendc> but, no comment on the fixed issues :-) I do appreciate them VERY well
18:49:37 <jorendc> even problems I was not aware of/didn't reproduce
19:00:47 <jmadero> yeah :)
19:01:58 <jmadero> jorendc: what test do you have?
19:02:18 <jorendc> moment, telephone
19:24:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [Meta] How to upload avatar image on AskLibO?
19:35:48 <jmadero> jorendc: more testing results in more issues, Calc NEVER stores options (regardless of if you do Ok or Cancel)
19:36:33 <jorendc> mmmh :-)
19:36:35 <jorendc> good finding jmadero !
19:37:12 <jmadero> jorendc: can you confirm?
19:37:24 <jorendc> I'll test in a minute
19:37:31 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
19:37:39 <jorendc> ps: have tomorrow 'Industrial Electronics'
19:37:51 <jorendc> an American-English book btw :)
19:37:56 <jmadero> jorendc: if this is the case, I think I'll just remove save preferences from writer and say it's to be consistent with other copmonents
19:38:02 <jmadero> :)
19:38:04 <jmadero> good luck with that test
19:38:07 <jmadero> sounds like another difficult one
19:38:10 <jorendc> thanks :D
19:42:11 <jorendc> jmadero: I can confirm that behavior
19:42:28 <jorendc> but there is only one option to select when you click on 'calc'-tab
19:42:47 <jmadero> jorendc: yes, going to test draw
19:43:36 <jmadero> draw, same results, doesn't save
19:43:54 <jmadero> my opinion is remove save option from writer, new enhancement request to save printer options
19:44:02 <jmadero> agreed?
19:44:48 <jorendc> mmh, maybe we can discuss that in the mailing list?
19:45:04 <jorendc> I'm not sure about that ... because there is A feature :p ... but it isn't just working properly
19:45:08 <jmadero> okay I'll send one out to mailing list
19:45:12 <jmadero> I just prefer being consistent
19:45:23 <jmadero> so step 1) remove option step 2) implement correct option LibO wide
19:45:24 <jorendc> that reminds me I yesterday saw some bugs passing by that point us at insistenties
19:45:40 <jmadero> inconsistencies?
19:45:42 <jorendc> you remind I was laughing about that huge bug report
19:45:49 <jorendc> yes :p sorry, huge typo
19:45:52 <jmadero> :-D
19:46:02 <jorendc> (huge bug report in combination of that 5 other bug reports)?
19:46:23 <jmadero> oh yeah
19:46:59 <jmadero> but you triaged those yes?
19:47:02 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58133
19:47:04 <IZBot> bug 58133: LibreOffice-Libreoffice trivial/low NEW : No Transparency what Happened with Changed Options if you Change to another Options Dialog
19:47:07 <jorendc> yes I did
19:47:10 <jorendc> they are all quite related
19:47:21 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58134
19:47:26 <IZBot> bug 58134: LibreOffice-Libreoffice trivial/low NEW : Revert Button in Tools>Options...>LibreOffice>Print does not Work with all Options
19:47:31 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58135
19:47:33 <IZBot> bug 58135: LibreOffice-Libreoffice enhancement/medium NEW : No Transparency what Happened with Changed Options in Sub-Dialogs of Option Dialogs
19:47:41 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58132
19:47:43 <IZBot> bug 58132: LibreOffice-Libreoffice minor/medium NEW : Button “Revert” in Option Dialogs does not Work as expected
19:47:58 <jorendc> that are all 4 bugs related to this issue of 'inconsistencies'
19:48:24 <jmadero> yeah
19:54:24 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe we need to ping Caolan for this issues
19:54:29 <jorendc> see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/log/?ofs=250
19:54:41 <jorendc> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=230b9c2b37ad9f2726d74780716a5f654cc9b0f6
19:54:43 <IZBot> core - Tutorial step #1 initial .ui prototype
19:54:49 <jorendc> (and following commits)
19:55:22 <jorendc> so we're heading toward a new ui 'under the hoods'
19:57:21 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
19:57:35 <CorNouws> hi jorendc :-)
19:57:41 <jorendc> how are you :)?
19:57:51 <CorNouws> how's life - I mean: how are the exams :-)
19:58:09 <CorNouws> jorendc: terribly bussy ...
19:58:31 <jorendc> haha :D indeed, no life at the moment
19:58:50 <jorendc> mmh, going on and off ... some I'll need to learn again in August I suppose :p
19:58:57 <CorNouws> jorendc: but that turns off the threat of a bankrupt
19:58:59 <jorendc> others I'll never ever ever see again :p
19:59:20 <jorendc> CorNouws: true :-)... so I'm going to mark it as 'happy to hear that' :p
19:59:39 * jorendc did a little bit too much triaging work ... xD
19:59:51 <CorNouws> jorendc: first things first ... but no worry: life will give more chances to learn that ;-)
19:59:52 * jorendc now marks everything as confirmed/resolved
20:00:05 <jorendc> ;-)
20:02:07 <jorendc> lol .... http://memegenerator.net/instance/29570747
20:03:53 <jmadero> I saw the new .ui....I find it to be strange ;)
20:03:56 <jmadero> but it's supposed to be better
20:04:06 <jmadero> my fear is the lack of consistency
20:05:23 <jmadero> jorendc: doing my first new stats blog ;)
20:05:57 <jorendc> oh really :D which blog :D?
20:06:14 <jorendc> yes, I can confirm it's kind of weird (as a novice programmer)
20:06:41 <jorendc> especcialy these things <object class="GtkBox" id="dialog-vbox1">
20:06:52 <jorendc> <property name="label">gtk-ok</property>
20:07:07 <jmadero> jorendc: exactly
20:07:11 <jorendc> gtk-ok :s? that looks like a OK button ... but what is it doing :p?
20:07:12 <jmadero> jorendc: so now we have....I think 3
20:07:18 <jmadero> .src, .ui
20:07:21 <jmadero> and....one other
20:07:28 <jmadero> .src seems the easiest to follow
20:07:58 <jorendc> can't seperate them from each other :D
20:08:07 <jorendc> didn't looked at the code that much :p
20:13:08 <jorendc> lol ... they broke the master xD
20:13:38 <jorendc> 'lol' is the wrong word :p ... it isn't funny ...
20:14:59 <jorendc> (windows only)
20:18:06 * jorendc waves at colonelqubit to rescue him of getting insane :)
20:18:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59984] Menus stop working || [Bug 59987] : Availability of Language Support (for spellcheck, thesaurus etc.) not visible to user
20:24:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc - Is there a way to Right Click -Edit Picture same as in Writer
20:31:00 <jorendc> jmadero: other question. Do you already triage when you ask for more information? Or only when you can 'confirm' it?
20:31:49 <jmadero> jorendc: when I can confirm usually
20:31:57 <jorendc> ok :) same workflow here
20:32:11 <jorendc> you already set up a blog :)? Or working on it?
20:32:17 <jorendc> can I test the pre-release :D?
20:32:34 * jorendc need to find a good clinic for his stats-addiction
20:33:21 <jmadero> jorendc: I have a blog already ;)
20:33:24 <jmadero> one post so far lol
20:33:29 <jmadero> about to add a second
20:33:40 <jorendc> :D
20:34:04 <jorendc> jmadero: link?
20:34:11 <jmadero> jorendc: http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/
20:34:35 <jorendc> oh yes, I already bookmarked that one
20:34:35 <jorendc> :D
20:35:03 <jmadero> lol, next one is first results for per day fixes
20:35:07 <colonelqubit> jorendc: oh, hi
20:35:09 <jmadero> since January 15th
20:35:24 <jorendc> nice, can't wait jmadero :o
20:35:29 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit :-)
20:35:38 <jorendc> how it's going?
20:35:49 <colonelqubit> oh, quite well
20:35:56 <jorendc> happy to hear that :D
20:36:14 <jorendc> I saw a steep drop of unanswered questions :D
20:36:23 <jorendc> So you do good work!
20:36:28 <colonelqubit> all the Ask comments are in moderation, so I see sets of 3+ that are like "Answer", "hmm...trying again + Answer" "Weird...none of my answers are showing up!"
20:36:32 <jorendc> you are doing*
20:36:46 * colonelqubit wonders why the system can't tell anyone that moderation is enabled...
20:37:11 <colonelqubit> I put up my own Question with an explanation in the title
20:37:34 <jorendc> lol
20:38:00 <colonelqubit> I'm hoping to win the prize for "Most appropriate abuse of the Ask site's q-and-a format"
20:39:52 <jorendc> haha :D
20:42:45 <CorNouws> jmadero: wrt 47572: there is a difference between settings done via Tools > Options, and those in the print dialog. The latter are for the document only. I think the issue is clear in the problem's description. Just if Cancel is choosen, the changed options in the print dialg should not be saved. Or do I miss somthing?
20:44:27 <jmadero> CorNouws: the issue is that this only applies to writer, no other component saves preferences
20:44:31 <jmadero> for printing
20:44:38 <jmadero> CorNouws: and in writer, it is done incorrectly
20:45:02 <jmadero> CorNouws: so my preference is just to make writer like the other components, and then add the ability to save preferences with "Ok" at a later date
20:45:32 <jmadero> CorNouws: which I will try to do....although it might be above my ability
20:45:47 <jmadero> CorNouws: this vs. fixing it just for writer, and having writer different from the other components
20:46:54 <jmadero> (I was surprised that other components don't save print options)
20:47:13 <CorNouws> jmadero: saving printer settings with a document is an old, and used feature. Removing that, because the Cancel does not act correct and other modules do not apply it... I'm not sure that will make users happy :-)
20:47:33 <jmadero> CorNouws: I think that was jorendc opinion as well
20:47:40 <jmadero> hm, I just don't want to fix it just for writer
20:47:53 <jmadero> but diving deeper into the code and getting printer options to save LibO wide.....
20:47:57 <jmadero> seems, complicated
20:48:04 <jorendc> indeed, I share the opinion of CorNouws
20:48:23 <CorNouws> jmadero: then start breaking the behaviour for all ?  ;-)
20:48:26 <jorendc> indeed, that's a mass of work :)
20:48:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59988] : Global menu bar does not work
20:48:39 <jmadero> lol it's already broken though
20:48:45 <jmadero> and I don't see how to fix it with how it's currently implemented
20:48:53 <jmadero> saving should be done in core, not in sw
20:48:59 <CorNouws> jmadero: if it's too difficult: you are not obliged to come up with a patch, do you?
20:49:11 <jmadero> CorNouws: no, but it's a minor thing and I doubt it'll be tackled if I don't try haha
20:49:13 <jmadero> or at least for a long time
20:49:17 <jmadero> as most devs are doing much more important things
20:49:24 <jmadero> okay I'll just aim for major changes
20:49:30 <jmadero> and try to get assistance from a friend
20:49:43 <CorNouws> jmadero: breaking the saving of printer settings in a Writer document is not a minor thing, IMNSHO
20:50:01 <jmadero> do you agree that it seems reasonable that saving printer preferences might be better done elsewhere (ie. not in sw folder)
20:50:47 <jmadero> or would it be best to do the same thing (ie. save printer preferences) in every folder (sw, sc...etc...)
20:51:09 <CorNouws> jmadero: I have no opinion on the software's arhitecture, But I'm well aware that e.g. functions from sc are use gloabal. So just that a function is defined in sw does not mean it may/cannot be used global
20:51:41 <jmadero> CorNouws: fair enough, okay going to try to tackle it :)
20:51:47 <jmadero> probably will break it 100 times before I make progress
20:51:58 <jorendc> CorNouws: ... the queen of Netherlands quits?
20:52:32 * CorNouws should stop making people on the QA channel spend more time on developing :-\
20:52:53 <CorNouws> jorendc: ah yes, good lady. I hope her son will do fine too.
20:53:09 * CorNouws sorry, back to mail == work
20:53:19 <jorendc> :-) indeed
20:53:23 <jorendc> okay
20:53:29 <jorendc> good evening CorNouws
20:53:47 <CorNouws> jmadero: OK if I write a short, friendly summary to the dev-list?
20:54:03 <jmadero> CorNouws: of course ;)
20:54:08 <jmadero> that would help not waste others times
20:54:14 <jmadero> code pointers welcome
20:55:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: can i out a header on the right side? || Hi, Ask Site users! Moderation has been enabled, so your answers and comments will not show up immediately. Thanks!
20:57:44 <ertai_NL> jorendc: you are able to come the 02nd of march?
20:57:56 <jorendc> ertai_NL: see Wiki
20:58:20 <jorendc> probably yes (although I didn't mark it in pootle)
20:58:36 <jorendc> I mean doodle
20:58:53 <ertai_NL> good.. It would be great to meet you in person
20:59:42 <jorendc> ertai_NL: likewise :)
21:00:17 <jmadero> (trying to learn how to add a plugin to wordpress...)
21:01:21 <jmadero> ah, this can only be doen on server side...
21:01:22 <jmadero> dammit
21:01:57 <jorendc> never used wordpress :p
21:05:52 <ertai_NL> jorendc: you going to FOSDEM?
21:06:13 <jorendc> not that big chance :)
21:06:28 <ertai_NL> pitty.. It's closeby for you
21:06:52 <jorendc> I'm aware of that
21:06:57 <jorendc> and there is a little chance i'll present
21:15:38 <jmadero> I hate wordpress
21:15:58 <jorendc> lol :p
21:16:03 <jorendc> things not working fine?
21:18:56 <jmadero> wordpress is insanely stupid
21:19:05 <jmadero> I don't have the patience or the time to waste fiddling with their crap
21:20:04 <jmadero> ...or, I'm an idiot ;)
21:20:04 <jmadero> hahah
21:20:06 <jmadero> sob
21:20:26 <jorendc> haha
21:20:31 <jorendc> I think it's just wordpress :p
21:20:44 <jmadero> yeah that's more likely
21:20:46 <jmadero> (me an idiot
21:20:47 <jmadero> )
21:20:51 <jmadero> forgot an escape character
21:20:52 <jmadero> haha
21:21:05 <jorendc> lol :')
21:23:20 <jorendc> pff ... 300 pages to go :s
21:25:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer crashes on any save
21:26:53 * jorendc call ambulance ... I'm getting a depression right now :D :p
21:46:51 <jorendc> jmadero: a document where an image isn't shown in presentation mode ... mark it as ...?
21:47:12 <jorendc> 'prevent making high quality work' -> 'normal' but 'high'?
21:47:25 <jorendc> (or highest)
21:49:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59989] FILESAVE: LO crashes when NOT using LO dialogs for saving files || [Bug 59990] FORMATTING
21:49:21 <jorendc> (+ not shown when exporting to pdf)
21:50:48 <jmadero> jorendc: data isn't lost
21:50:49 <jmadero> ?
21:51:02 <jmadero> if you save it and then reopen it is the image gone
21:51:03 <jorendc> no, it's viewable in edit mode
21:51:09 <jorendc> yes
21:51:16 <jmadero> but exporting to pdf not there...
21:51:16 <jmadero> hmm
21:51:25 <jmadero> I'd mark as MAJOR because of that actually
21:51:32 <jmadero> since that says data is lost with pdf export
21:51:48 <jorendc> when I view the created pdf I need to force quit my pdf reader ...
21:52:08 <jorendc> (I can see all the other text around the image, but no image while viewing pdf)
21:52:15 <jorendc> ok thanks
21:55:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a LibreOffice Outlook replacement || doc files open as read only
22:00:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: Your post was placed on the moderation queue and will be published after the moderator approval.
22:00:23 <jorendc> ... euhm :p will every answer be moderated first :s?
22:00:56 <jorendc> why isn't this system used to ASK a question?
22:07:48 <jorendc> jmadero: is it going well with your new blog :)?
22:08:08 <jorendc> jmadero: ooh, just refreshed your blog :D
22:08:09 <jmadero> jorendc: just finished, but the wordpress table is bs
22:08:12 <jmadero> it's so frustrating to work with
22:08:18 <jmadero> so it looks not great, but w/e, I published
22:08:27 <jmadero> wasted way too long working on that dumb table
22:11:26 <jorendc> nice jmadero
22:13:44 <jmadero> 2 more hours until I'm free ;)
22:14:02 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yeah, moderation is currently in place because of the spamming
22:14:19 <jorendc> ooh ok :D
22:14:35 <jorendc> hehe jmadero counting down ... then this monday end for you :D
22:14:45 <colonelqubit> Two issues with that (1) Apparently the Askbot software doesn't *tell* you that your stuff is held for moderation
22:14:46 <jmadero> jorendc: no then Monday actually begins for me :)
22:15:05 <jorendc> jmadero: haha :D +1
22:15:06 <colonelqubit> (2) I don't have backend access yet, so I can't whitelist people
22:15:18 <jorendc> mmh, ... and that as an admin :p
22:15:26 <jmadero> colonelqubit: do we have an estimate of how many users have posted to ask?
22:15:29 * colonelqubit is only a mod for now
22:15:52 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Total users who have posted at least one question?
22:15:57 <jmadero> colonelqubit: exactly
22:15:59 * colonelqubit wishes he had db access..
22:16:13 <colonelqubit> off the top of my head, I'd say at least a hundred
22:16:24 <colonelqubit> some people have posted 2 or 10
22:16:33 <colonelqubit> but most are in the 1-3 range
22:16:34 <jmadero> colonelqubit: hm, so it might be good to individually approve members
22:16:41 <jmadero> if the # isn't in the thousands
22:17:05 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Yes, I think we could handle that....just waiting on privs!
22:17:56 <jmadero> lol
22:18:29 <jorendc> :p
22:19:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59992] Templetdon't work in testing Libre Office 4 DK
22:25:27 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Opened a pdf file with Draw in error || Writer. Frame. Display the same content.
22:33:22 <jorendc> jmadero: you can see how many people view/read your blog using wordpress?
22:33:53 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I can see activity
22:34:00 <jorendc> :)
22:34:06 <jorendc> I twittered your blog :D
22:34:13 <jmadero> sweet, thanks :-D
22:34:23 <jorendc> But i'm not that active on twitter, so I don't think that'll generate that much :p
22:35:00 <jmadero> lol well my best day was with marathon stats, 146 views in a day
22:35:08 <jorendc> nice :D
22:35:12 <jorendc> how many views now?
22:35:50 <jorendc> maybe CorNouws can retweet/tweet it also ^^ :p
22:36:40 <jmadero> total for that entry was about 650
22:36:47 <jorendc> nice
22:36:56 <jorendc> for a first post ... not bad I think :)
22:37:08 <jmadero> agreed, I don't actually keep track of stats for my own stuff haha
22:37:14 <jmadero> for how much I like numbers, that's kind of ironic
22:37:31 <jorendc> haha :D
22:48:11 <jmadero> ^^ more accurate search
22:49:33 <jorendc> jmadero: what did you change to the search-query?
22:50:45 <jmadero> assignee must be the default
22:50:53 <jmadero> if the bug is assigned to someone, it's not included
22:52:41 <jorendc> oh okay :-) I see
22:53:15 <jorendc> good job :D
22:53:49 <jmadero> makes me feel like the number is lower ;)
22:54:44 <jorendc> indeed; I saw that too :)
22:55:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: BASIC Runtime Errors
23:00:41 <jmadero> jorendc: okay signing off for now, have a great evening
23:00:46 <jmadero> colonelqubit: same to you, have a great night
23:00:53 <jorendc> good evening jmadero :)
23:01:06 <jmadero> jorendc: at some point I'm going to take a couple days away from LibO so you might not see me around for a couple day
23:01:06 <jmadero> s
23:01:16 <jmadero> going to spend some quality time with my wife, try to get outdoors and what not :)
23:01:22 <jmadero> not sure if that'll be tomorrow or what though :)
23:01:42 <jmadero> okay bye!
23:02:14 <colonelqubit> jorendc: whoops
23:02:28 <colonelqubit> I was just going to give jmadero some info about the ask site... :-)
23:02:43 <colonelqubit> over 3000 users
23:19:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59993] FILEOPEN: File corrupted when opened with Libre Office
23:32:43 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that's not bad
23:46:07 <colonelqubit> yep
23:46:54 <jorendc> colonelqubit: do they use ask more and more? Or is it quite 'flat'?
23:46:55 <colonelqubit> given that there are under 3000 questions, and some have posted 10 of them, I assume that many of them have just logged-in and/or just answered q's
23:47:06 <colonelqubit> haven't done the math on that
23:47:14 <jorendc> :)
23:47:20 <colonelqubit> there's a pretty tight core group of about 6 users
23:47:25 <colonelqubit> see them everywhere
23:47:33 <colonelqubit> maybe another..20? who pop up and provide good answers from time to time
23:48:03 <colonelqubit> always nice to see devs like moggi and bjoern michaelson (sp?) on the site, too
23:48:35 <colonelqubit> oooh. just ran across neat new feature
23:48:43 <colonelqubit> to convert comments into answers
23:48:44 <jorendc> nice :)
23:48:58 <colonelqubit> I've done that by hand a couple dozen times...
23:49:04 <jorendc> I answered 1 question today, one yesterday :p
23:49:08 <colonelqubit> thanks
23:49:09 <jorendc> haha :p
23:49:17 <jorendc> I was searching for that feature also..
23:49:25 <jorendc> didn't found it so I left it as it was
23:49:32 <colonelqubit> yeah, "[click]" is a lot easier than copy....add attribution...etc..
23:49:40 <colonelqubit> also, I don't want to steal someone else's karma
23:49:55 <jorendc> indeed :)
23:50:02 <jorendc> mmh .. I can't vote yet
23:50:08 <jorendc> I need > 15 karma for that?
23:50:13 <jorendc> or what point do they mean?
23:51:25 <jorendc> It's not that consequent :p
23:51:39 <jorendc> it says: >15 points required to upvote
23:53:38 <jorendc> but I can't see any 'points' (regarding karma :p so I suppose they mean that)
23:55:25 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yeah, you need 15 points.
23:55:30 * colonelqubit is fresh out of votes for today
23:55:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Header font color
23:56:10 <jorendc> lol :p colonelqubit ... you have a limit too :p?
23:57:30 <colonelqubit> yes, even with the big hat!
23:58:27 <jorendc> :p I was wondering that too :D
00:02:02 <colonelqubit> oh yes, the pdf in draw question
00:03:34 <colonelqubit> half of the questions on the site are like that
00:03:47 <colonelqubit> you want to help them, but you're not really sure what problem they have!
00:04:51 <jorendc> indeed :p
00:04:53 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Enough about me -- what's the status of bugs in LO 4.0?
00:05:05 <jorendc> 25 last time I checked :-)
00:05:55 <jorendc> but we go from 1090 to 1052 in 3 days in the bug list (unconfirmed bugs that has no activity > 31 days)
00:07:21 <colonelqubit> how do you guys decide what counts as a blocker?
00:07:46 <jorendc> we try to base our priority on this flowchart https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
00:08:59 <colonelqubit> nifty. it's in color and everything!
00:09:06 <jorendc> yes :-)
00:09:09 <jorendc> jmadero made that one
00:09:16 <jorendc> he do great QA work
00:09:51 <colonelqubit> MAB is?
00:10:24 <jorendc> Most Annoying Bugs
00:10:27 <colonelqubit> ah
00:10:56 <jorendc> colonelqubit: like this one for 4.0 : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=mab4.0
00:11:28 <colonelqubit> oh, a filter. gotcha
00:13:43 <colonelqubit> for a minute I thought you were talking about a mailing list for such bugs (although I guess one could subscribe to that bug and get the same effect :-)
00:14:15 <jorendc> sure
00:14:20 <jorendc> you can add yourself to the CC list
00:14:58 <jorendc> (on the right upper of the page)
00:15:24 <colonelqubit> thanks for the invite, but I get enough spam^H^H^H^H valuable messages from the LO lists as it is.. :-)
00:15:33 <jorendc> haha :D
00:17:38 <colonelqubit> it is kind of fun to get a message when a bug I've bibisected (or done something else to) gets fixed
00:17:53 <jorendc> yes indeed
00:17:57 <colonelqubit> but I think I'd go batty if I were on one of the qa lists.
00:18:00 <jorendc> I like these messages also :)
00:18:13 <jorendc> hehe :p
00:18:21 <jorendc> The QA ML isn't THAT active
00:18:37 <jorendc> so, from QA ML side I don't get that many emails
00:19:16 <jorendc> but ... I fill in the QA contact field or CC field I try to reproduce/triaged
00:20:01 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailcc1=1&list_id=218922&emailtype1=substring&query_format=advanced&emailqa_contact1=1&email1=joren.libreoffice%40telenet.be&product=LibreOffice
00:20:09 <jorendc> and that list is euh ... fast growing :D
00:20:27 <colonelqubit> I really need to filter the dev list -- lots of interesting chatter, but unless I'm actively writing code, the gerrit posts are unfortunately noise in my inbox.
00:20:41 <jorendc> I agree to that
00:20:59 <jorendc> but you can create a 'filter' for this kind of messages :-)
00:25:30 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you can easily filter out messages from gerrit [] gerrit    libreoffice.org
00:25:40 <jorendc> (made that email unreadable for spambots :p)
00:25:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to display image based on cell value
00:41:19 * colonelqubit swims back into the channel
00:41:27 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Yep, just did that
00:49:54 <colonelqubit> jorendc: well, I was actually a little wary of filtering all mail from gerrit (in case I have a patch floating around in there or etc..) so I made the filter FROM(gerrit) && TO(dev list) && SUBJECTMATCH("Change in")
00:50:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: nice solution :)
00:50:45 <colonelqubit> unfortunately my email client doesn't speak that languge, so I had to get all precise with it...
00:51:07 <jorendc> haha :p... at least you can try to :D
00:51:47 <colonelqubit> I can see it now.... "News from asklibo: Is there an extension for Writer so that it can read my thoughts and put them down on paper"
00:52:14 <jorendc> lol
00:52:35 <jorendc> maybe by measuring brain activity (electrodes) or something ... in the near future .. yes :p
00:54:36 <jorendc> 1,770 questions ... I  think that's euh ... - 200 within 2 or 3 days ...
00:54:45 <jorendc> i think I only can say: "NICE!!" :D
00:55:40 <jorendc> I think that these are very good days for QA/ASK members ...
00:55:44 <colonelqubit> maybe it's my imagination, but I feel like the more I'm putting into that site, the more I'm getting back from everyone else
00:56:05 <jorendc> we also did a -40 on our 'huge pile of unconfirmed bugs' within 2 days
00:56:14 <jorendc> yes, I agree :-). I'm feeling the same
00:56:26 <jorendc> therefore it's a community ;-)
00:57:10 <colonelqubit> Pedro, Mariosv, Manj_k, Cloph, ROSt52, CyanCG are there every time I turn around
00:57:29 <jorendc> that's wonderful
00:57:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: be right back
00:57:52 <colonelqubit> JohnSUN put an _animated GIF_ on an answer that steps through the process in Calc
00:58:03 <colonelqubit> really nice work
00:58:26 <jorendc> wow, any link :o?
00:59:04 <colonelqubit> umm
00:59:08 <colonelqubit> one sec
00:59:10 * colonelqubit is doing 5 things
01:07:09 <colonelqubit> here's a different one: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/7517/calc-copy-and-paste-named-ranges/
01:07:37 <colonelqubit> That includes not only screencaps, but top-notch ASCII formatting.
01:10:13 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Gotta make a call. I'll be back in a bit
01:10:28 <jorendc> colonelqubit: nice
01:10:34 <jorendc> ok, I'm going to bed right now
01:10:38 <jorendc> tomorrow exam :p
01:10:44 <jorendc> (-> school)
01:11:41 <jorendc> colonelqubit: have a nice evening over there :-). Good night
01:26:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why do my documents sometimes open with formatting changes such as bold, underline, or font color?
01:52:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59997] FORMATTING Dates in Calc || [Bug 59998] PDF export produces blank first page when PDF/A-1a option chosen; tagged PDF works correctly
02:26:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc has jitters when opening a spreadsheet.
06:57:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 59989] FILESAVE: LO crashes when using KDE file dialogs
07:29:18 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60003] Unable to copy and paste web page photos/images in LibreOffice Writer in Windows 8
07:59:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60004] Inserting Indexes and Tables crashes Writer
08:30:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: BASE : Comment faire un bouton pour lancer l'impression de l'enregistrement en cours ? || How may I add additional languages to the user's interface?
09:00:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libre Office 3.3.5. Can not open presentation
09:30:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: batch conversion with unoconv in Windows
10:00:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What is keyboard shortcut for Sum function? || LibreOffice
10:01:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60006] TABLE: add a left-to-right vertical text direction to Text Flow tab, Table Properties dialog
11:00:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Automatically creating endnotes from a plain ASCII document in LibreOffice Writer || Cannot open password protected XLSX file
11:34:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60010] SLIDESHOW: Some objects are deformed in slidshow
12:31:03 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Drop down menus only contain two fields. || Why is there not better documentation on BASE
12:34:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60012] LibreOfficePython.framework in official LO 4.0 RC2 build links against /usr/local/lib/libintl.8.dylib
13:31:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Text in Textboxes of Forms is cramped into one space
14:01:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can I set tab order between forms and subforms? || potrait in sheet1 and landscape in sheet2
14:05:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60015] EDITING: Writer crash when insert Indexes and Tables || [Bug 60018] DELETE FILE FROM SERVER || [Bug 60014] Add Courier Prime font
14:31:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to copy selection to hyperlink in a macro? || sort by color
14:36:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60021] paste in calc crashs LO
15:01:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: R and Calc - plugin for R CRAN integration || repair word doc file
15:06:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60022] EDITING: Sub form data entry causes crash
15:36:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60027] Writer crashes when saving and opening documents || [Bug 60021] CRASH when paste and all cells of sheet are selected
16:01:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: portrait in sheet1 and landscape in sheet2
17:59:00 <johnny4> hello, embarassingly stupid question
17:59:32 <johnny4> on ubuntu, how do I run libreoffice 4 rc2 after installing it successfully
17:59:33 <johnny4> ?
18:01:12 <johnny4> Sweetshark?
18:01:22 <moggi> johnny4: normally it is installed into /opt/libreoffice
18:02:20 <johnny4> moggi: thanks, I have a /opt/libreoffice4.0/ folder
18:02:36 <johnny4> with a bunch of stuff but no obvious binary :/
18:02:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Permanently set default page style
18:02:58 <moggi> johnny4: yes, and there search for the program folder with soffice in it
18:03:59 <johnny4> got it, thank u
18:05:19 <johnny4> ./opt/libreoffice4.0/program/soffice
18:06:33 <johnny4> moggi: if u don't mind 1 last questions, is there a simple way to have it integrate like the stable version?
18:06:55 <johnny4> desktop icons and default app to open odf/odt etc?
18:07:24 <moggi> install the desktop integration package
18:08:12 <johnny4> is that the helppack file?
18:09:45 <jmadero> johnny4: no such thing as a stupid question ;) it's not a help pack, it makes it so it's in your program list
18:09:47 <jmadero> integrated into the OS
18:10:17 <jmadero> johnny4: in the downloaded folder you'll have DEBS/desktop-integration
18:10:24 <jmadero> go into there and do sudo dpkg -i *.deb
18:15:30 <johnny4> I'll try installing it again
18:15:46 <johnny4> but all of those debs were already installed (I thought without errors)
18:16:20 <moggi> johnny4: desktop integration is in a sub directory
18:19:35 <johnny4> moggi: aha, tricky heh
18:21:31 <johnny4> thanks jmadero and moggi !
18:21:37 <johnny4> all set
18:26:54 <jmadero> johnny4: very cool, now we have to convince you to help us with some triaging ;)
18:27:37 <jmadero> johnny4: always remember that when you install deb packages the command isn't recursive, it only installs debian packages in the current directory
18:27:48 <jmadero> (honestly I'm not sure why we put another folder inside called desktop-integration)
18:27:53 <jorendc> morning/noon jmadero
18:27:57 <jmadero> jorendc: hey, how were your tests?
18:30:19 <jorendc> I think I did great :D
18:30:47 <jmadero> jorendc: niiice
18:30:48 <jmadero> congrats
18:31:01 <jorendc> that was one of the hardest exams where you just need to 'think' (no need to 'just learn some things' that are written in the book)
18:32:03 <jmadero> how many more jorendc
18:32:45 <jorendc> :-) thanks
18:33:15 <jorendc> Thursday last exam \o/ whoohoo :D
18:34:04 <jmadero> sweet
18:34:05 <jmadero> then celebrate
18:35:35 <jorendc> I'm surprised to see you here jmadero :)
18:36:13 <jmadero> jorendc: haha hard to stay away ;)
18:36:15 <jmadero> especially at work
18:36:20 <jmadero> will take this weekend off completely
18:36:29 <jmadero> spent hours last night with the print code
18:36:33 <jmadero> y
18:36:34 <jmadero> h;safja;ksjfa;sgj that's all I have to sa
18:36:35 <jorendc> 1 to go :)
18:37:22 <jorendc> jmadero: ... for sure :D
18:37:22 <jmadero> :-D
18:37:44 <jmadero> jorendc: so I have a good idea of the print options code....but making the changes are quite difficult
18:38:06 <jmadero> jorendc: and when they are made, I'd prefer just fixing every component to work, vs. just fixing writer
18:38:42 <jorendc> :D awtch
18:39:22 <jorendc> mmh jmadero ... so if we can make writer work ... we just can copy it to the other codes?
18:40:13 <jorendc> because it isn't implemented in calc and other components :)
18:40:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60030] Russian dictionary improvement
18:41:54 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah exactly, but moving just the writer code is a royal pain in the ass
18:42:08 <jmadero> jorendc: I found out where the code is that finds out if Ok is pushed
18:42:24 <jmadero> jorendc: and it's completely outside of the writer code, it's in the vcl folder
18:42:31 <johnny4> Is it possibrew 3.6 and 4rc have a weird intermittent bug when saving files?
18:42:39 <jmadero> so all of those header files become an issue
18:42:49 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL :)
18:43:06 <jorendc> jmadero: mmh interesting
18:43:31 <jorendc> jmadero: so if we move it to that vcl folder ... we can do it immediately for other components as wel?
18:43:37 <pje335_NL_> jorendc: hi :)
18:44:09 <jorendc> (I mean ... is that script related to every printing window on every component ?)
18:47:49 <johnny5_> did somethin weird just happen to the channel?
18:47:59 <jmadero_> johnny5_: yeah
18:48:08 <jmadero_> johnny5_: happens relatively often ;)
18:48:23 * jorendc is save here at Belgium :D
18:48:36 * jorendc altough pje335_NL was 'affected' to :p
18:48:39 <johnny5_> urm, so not sure what u guys saw me type
18:48:51 <jmadero_> johnny5_: didn't see anything on my side
18:49:00 <johnny5_> (or if anybody cares, heh)
18:49:13 <jorendc> I can see the whole conversation :p
18:49:21 <jmadero_> johnny5_: oh I saw something, issues between 3.6 and 4.0
18:49:23 <jmadero_> ?
18:49:37 <johnny5_> well, ok so I installed 4rc2
18:49:46 <johnny5_> to see if this issue would be resolved
18:49:59 <johnny5_> intermittent to the point where I can't even make it happen
18:50:02 <jmadero_> johnny5_: what's the issue (sorry I missed it)
18:50:15 <johnny5_> but when this elderly lady tries to save files
18:50:34 <johnny5_> in a particular order and renaming them in just the right way
18:51:09 <johnny5_> LO throws the same error it would if it doesn't have write access to the destinatio folder
18:51:30 <johnny5_> again, I can't reproduce it at all even with her coaching over my shoulder
18:51:33 <johnny5_> really weird
18:52:02 <jmadero_> johnny5_: yeah without reproducible steps really hard to comment
18:52:07 <johnny5_> but Í ve watched her do it a couple times
18:52:19 <jmadero_> johnny5_: first thing is always to reset your profile, especially when working with a pre-release
18:52:32 <johnny5_> yea, i figured i was just hoping there might be a known bug or something
18:52:45 <jmadero_> johnny5_: not that I've seen
18:52:54 <jmadero_> johnny5_: and between jorendc and I...I think we've seen every bug reported against 4
18:52:57 <johnny5_> u mean nuke  ~/.config/libreoffice?
18:53:03 <johnny5_> ^done
18:53:15 * jorendc reading
18:53:17 <jmadero_> lol or just mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice.backup
18:53:17 <jmadero_> ;)
18:53:18 <jmadero_> haha
18:53:22 <jmadero_> but rm works also
18:54:21 <jorendc> nops, haven't seen any bug passing by based on this
18:54:33 <jorendc> BUT a user profile thing I did passing by
18:55:18 <johnny5_> u guys are much cooler than the idiots in #android-root :)
18:55:19 <jorendc> jmadero_: johnny5_ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061
18:55:23 <IZBot> bug 57061: LibreOffice-Installation critical/medium RESOLVED FIXED No personal data imported (or moved) during install from /3 User Profile
18:55:25 <jorendc> but I don't think this is related
18:55:40 <jmadero_> jorendc: lol thanks ;)
18:55:47 <jmadero_> johnny5_: I mean you, thanks ;)
18:56:02 <jorendc> indeed :) thanks for that compliment johnny5_ :)
18:56:06 <jmadero_> johnny5_: some tech people lack social skills ;)
18:56:14 <jmadero_> I tend to let that slide....but sometimes it is tough
18:56:20 <jmadero_> (we have our own set in the LibO community, trust me)
18:56:23 <johnny5_> doesn't look like that bug no
18:56:30 <jmadero_> I think jorendc would agree with that ^^
18:56:33 <johnny5_> some social people lack tech skills too heh
18:56:41 <jmadero_> johnny5_: most ;)
18:57:02 <jorendc> haha :D euh... jmadero_ I REALLY don't know where you talking about
18:57:02 <johnny5_> i kind of suck at both :(
18:57:05 * jorendc coughs
18:57:09 <jorendc> ;-)
18:58:04 <jorendc> jmadero_: the person you're talking about was discussing the bug I reported on dev channel :p. I said 'if I can test a bit more, you can ping me anyway'
18:58:16 <jorendc> he just continue typing and ignored me :D...
18:59:04 <jmadero_> jorendc: lol
18:59:29 <jorendc> I just laughed with it and continue reading my huge pile of unread bugs :p...
18:59:48 <johnny5_> what is involved in this triaging?
18:59:59 <johnny5_> maybe if I'm bored sometime
19:00:28 <jmadero_> johnny5_: pretty straight forward, search through the massive list of unconfirmed bugs, try to confirm them
19:00:30 <jmadero_> (we need the help)
19:00:51 <jmadero_> johnny5_: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage
19:00:52 <johnny5_> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugTriage iḿ guessing
19:01:04 <jmadero_> the one I put has better instructions
19:01:05 <johnny5_> doh, youŕe too fast
19:01:16 <jmadero_> or at least I hope it does as I made it ;)
19:01:52 <johnny5_> ok, might have a go at it sometime
19:02:10 <jmadero_> johnny5_: that would help tremendously, our backlog is around 1200 or so
19:02:19 <jmadero_> and devs won't look at a bug until it's triaged
19:02:21 <jmadero_> (usually)
19:02:42 <johnny5_> and these are for stable and unstable or just 4.0?
19:02:58 <jorendc> johnny5_: that'll be fantastic
19:03:02 <jorendc> johnny5_: all unconfirmed :)
19:03:19 <jorendc> johnny5_: going back to our inheritent version of LO to the current master build today
19:03:28 <jorendc> *inherit
19:03:57 <jorendc> if you need help or have some questions how to mark a bug (which priority/to get a second opinion) ... feel free :)
19:04:12 <jorendc> we do welcome pje335_NL also for his work :)
19:04:32 <pje335_NL> :)
19:05:20 <jmadero_> jorendc: how's the list looking btw
19:05:25 <johnny5_> they're all ultra high of course :P
19:05:52 <johnny5_> walk my dog macro is a must have
19:05:59 <jorendc> 1042 bugs found. UNCONFIRMED  ... with more then 31 days no activity
19:06:11 <jorendc> that's 8 less then yesterday ... and I didn't do anything yet (a)
19:06:16 <jmadero_> jorendc: you've done a lot of work :-D
19:06:33 <jorendc> no I didn't anything today :p
19:06:41 <jorendc> didn't do*
19:06:46 <jmadero_> time for me to -1 off that list
19:06:54 <jmadero_> *searching for an easy one ;)
19:07:37 <jorendc> haha
19:09:05 <jmadero_> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37703
19:09:08 <jmadero_> looks like one for you
19:09:08 <IZBot> bug 37703: LibreOffice-Writer trivial/low UNCONFIRMED Pictures on not pasted into writer when copied from Sarfari web browser
19:09:33 <jorendc> mmh, there is already this kind of bug ...
19:09:37 <jorendc> let me have a look
19:09:42 <jorendc> (it was reported agains firefox)
19:10:38 <jmadero_> -1 here :)
19:10:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60031] EDITING: Scrolling text problem
19:10:53 <jorendc> jmadero_: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52547
19:10:55 <IZBot> bug 52547: LibreOffice-framework normal/medium NEW New Firefox image clipboard causes "paste as link" in LibreOffice - paste directly is preferred
19:11:18 <jorendc> but now I read it closer
19:11:22 <jorendc> I think that's not related
19:11:28 * jorendc starting macbook pro :D
19:11:51 <jmadero_> jorendc: agreed
19:12:00 <jmadero_> jorendc: keep them separate but mention the other one in comment
19:14:01 <jorendc> jmadero_: that bug is already confirmed twice :')
19:14:08 <jorendc> but I'll try with 4.0 rc2...
19:14:20 <jorendc> and see it's still there with latest safari and OSX version
19:22:49 <jorendc> jmadero_: ... I still can confirm this behavior (and I can't reproduce that behavior using 'word for mac')
19:22:55 <jorendc> so I think this is kind off serious
19:24:11 <jorendc> marking this as ...?
19:24:28 <jorendc> data loss maybe ... :s
19:26:15 <jmadero_> hm, I'm not sure if it's data loss
19:26:17 <jmadero_> because the data is never there
19:26:24 <jmadero_> but, major seems fine to me
19:27:34 <jmadero_> -3
19:27:36 <jmadero_> :)
19:27:36 <jorendc> okay :)
19:29:03 <CorNouws> hi unbeatable QA-team-members :-)
19:30:36 <jorendc> hi CorNouws  xD
19:32:31 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit :D
19:34:32 <jmadero_> CorNouws: hey
19:34:48 <jmadero_> CorNouws: I found the root of the printer option stuff I think....the changes are going to be a pain :-/
19:34:58 <CorNouws> jmadero_: hi / jorendc: hi
19:35:12 <jmadero_> this chat is growing quickly....
19:35:12 <jorendc> nice jmadero_
19:35:14 <jmadero_> (exciting)
19:35:26 <jorendc> indeed :-)... that feels good :)
19:38:44 <jorendc> CorNouws: what announcement (-> regarding email dutch mailing list)
19:39:08 <CorNouws> jorendc: 3.6.5 seems to be ready (close to)
19:39:33 <jorendc> CorNouws: you alway can send it too mee
19:39:36 <jorendc> me*
19:39:42 <jorendc> I'll have a look later on the evening
19:40:04 <jmadero_> CorNouws: what's up with the email? where should I put the QA Volunteer ? emails or FDO?
19:40:06 <CorNouws> jorendc: thanks - maybe someone else volunteers - if not, you are 'het haasje'
19:40:15 <jorendc> hehe :D
19:40:28 <CorNouws> jmadero_: it's about LibO versus LibreOffice :-)
19:40:40 <jmadero_> CorNouws: ahhh my mistake!
19:40:46 <jmadero_> will fix
19:40:51 <CorNouws> jmadero_: old habbit maybe ;-)
19:40:57 <jmadero_> CorNouws: exactly
19:41:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60032] FILEOPEN,FILESAVE: .xlsx: import/export Excel 2013 new spreadsheet functions
19:41:07 <CorNouws> ;-)
19:43:13 <CorNouws> ohallot: congratulations == wishing you lots of Apfelstrudel :-)
19:44:11 <jmadero_> why is it so hard to change the way gmail and thunderbird behave with replies..... instead of | I want > for inline responses.....dammit
19:47:36 <jorendc> jmadero_: 1033 bugs found.
19:47:51 <jorendc> lol :') ... I think we (and others) are owning this list :D
19:48:56 <jorendc> -14 bugs/day at this moment
19:49:04 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL \o
19:49:19 <ertai_NL> hi
19:50:04 <ohallot> CorNouws: Thanks Cor. I love Apfelstrudel, but I must be careful not to get fat. :-D
19:50:04 <jorendc> ertai_NL: had a nice day :)?
19:50:09 <ertai_NL> yes
19:50:13 <ertai_NL> you?
19:50:21 <jorendc> ohallot: feel free to share that piece of Strudel :)
19:50:40 <jorendc> yes, a stressy one, but a good one :D
19:51:26 * CorNouws ohallot: off topic: eat the apple, start the day with water and fruit, learn to change your food habbits - will bring wonders in life :-)
19:51:44 <ohallot> jorendc: sure! How about come down to Rio de Janeiro to get your piece! Be my guest! :-D
19:51:56 * jorendc booking a ticket :D
19:52:02 <jorendc> hehe :p
19:52:11 <jorendc> that'll be an expensive Strudel ;-)
19:52:44 <jmadero_> jorendc: I think I've done 5, just about to do another
19:52:49 <jmadero_> looking for an option that's in MS Office apparently
19:52:58 <jmadero_> everyone see MS Office's new price structure
19:53:03 <jmadero_> they are destroying themselves
19:53:10 <jmadero_> no purchasing, rent it for $100 a year
19:53:15 <jorendc> yes, I read about it 3 months ago
19:53:17 <jorendc> indeed ...
19:53:28 <jmadero_> jorendc: I respect the idea of making money
19:53:31 <jmadero_> I don't expect free
19:53:37 <jmadero_> but that is insane
19:53:42 <jorendc> I think that's not a very but a VERRRRY good oportunity for LibreOffice ...
19:53:50 <jmadero_> ...I wish our community "suggested" donations more
19:53:59 <jmadero_> I think our users (and us) have a "duty" to give "what we can"
19:54:03 <jmadero_> whatever we think is fair, even if that means $5
19:54:29 <jorendc> indeed jmadero_ I use LO for free ... and I donate a bit of my 'lunchmoney' to LibreOffice every year
19:54:37 <jorendc> not that much ... I'm just a student :-)
19:54:40 <jmadero_> jorendc: ditto ;)
19:54:47 <jmadero_> I don't think it takes much to make a difference
19:54:55 <jmadero_> can you imagine if every "able" user paid $5 a year for our product
19:55:06 <jmadero_> we'd have a full team fixing every critical bug immediately
19:55:06 <jorendc> but if every student will do that ... I think we beat Apple of the 'most valuable company'
19:55:17 <jmadero_> bringing in amazing new ideas and creativity
19:55:21 <jorendc> indeed :)
19:55:23 <jmadero_> (my dreams being said out loud)
19:55:33 <jorendc> :-) agreed
19:55:55 <jmadero_> jorendc: next though is my university connect idea, I really want to get a relationship with 2-3 United States universities
19:56:07 <jmadero_> jorendc: it would be awesome if professors agreed to give a grade for helping LibreOffice
19:56:23 <jorendc> indeed; I think I saw a project like this one
19:56:50 <jorendc> but only 1 student stays after his graduation; the other ones just quited
19:56:54 <jmadero_> jorendc: it's going to happen, I'm going to get the proposal together for the BoD
19:57:03 <jmadero_> jorendc: that's fine, it could be a quarterly course
19:57:07 <jorendc> +1 jmadero_ :)
19:57:21 <jmadero_> jorendc: benefits student (they get to program from home for a grade), benefits us, benefits the school (much cheaper)
19:57:22 <jorendc> I mean +9999
19:58:54 <jmadero_> I wish I was paid a little by a company to work on this stuff :-D
19:58:56 <jmadero_> so then I can quit this job haha
19:59:25 <jorendc> haha :D
20:04:03 <jmadero_> another -1
20:04:04 <jmadero_> :-D
20:05:16 <jmadero_> jorendc:  1032
20:07:38 <jorendc> :D
20:07:41 <jorendc> wohooooo
20:11:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60033] FILEOPEN: Failure to open ODF files located on SMB share
20:14:19 <jorendc> CorNouws: I have a little bit of time now; you have time to forward your text?
20:18:11 <jorendc> CorNouws: I saw Henk has some time too :-)
20:23:36 <CorNouws> jorendc: yep - he was first in the row ;-)
20:23:47 <jorendc> dangit :( too late :d
20:28:43 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57922
20:28:46 <IZBot> bug 57922: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PDF Export: Field Command "Pages" produces wrong count
20:29:14 <jorendc> ... I don't know it's good or bad behavior :p... I can confirm that behavior ... But I don't know it's just 'MADE that way' or it's indeed wrong
20:32:38 <jmadero> jorendc: the original doc is 6 pages?
20:32:45 <jorendc> yes jmadero
20:32:51 <jorendc> (original spreadsheet)
20:32:52 <jmadero> jorendc: if anything I would say enhancement request
20:33:11 <jmadero> I mean, it's behaving as intended, his concept of correct might be a little better
20:33:14 <jorendc> jmadero: but I don't know it's expected behavior or not :p ...
20:33:24 <jorendc> okay :) agreed
20:33:29 <jmadero> jorendc: I suspect that it is, because it takes the footer from the original file
20:33:37 <jmadero> if that is 100 pages, even if you only export 2 pages, it sees 100
20:34:21 <jorendc> jmadero: indeed; Now I see the point :D
20:34:34 <jmadero> and, changing that is going to be tough
20:34:42 <jmadero> would have to make a new temp ods, then export the pdf from there
20:34:50 <jmadero> because the page # is automated
20:35:46 <jorendc> mmh I don't think it's THAT though (I don't know for sure of course)
20:36:05 <jorendc> jmadero: you need to enter a range ... so you can base the page number on the latest page in that range
20:36:31 <jorendc> if you enter range 1-499 ... it need to say: page 1 of 499
20:36:32 <jmadero> jorendc: true, not sure how you get that # to replace the default
20:36:44 <jorendc> mmh, yeah :p that's also true xD
20:37:07 <jmadero> jorendc: and what about if the document is only 2 pages but you export 1-100
20:37:13 <jmadero> do you replace the 2 with 100?
20:37:26 <jmadero> (although obviously, you're not very intelligent if you do this) ;)
20:37:26 <jmadero> haha
20:37:57 <jorendc> lol
20:38:09 <jorendc> replace the 2 with 100 ...
20:38:19 <jorendc> you mean 'range 3-100' or so?
20:38:42 <jmadero> I mean the original document is only 2 pages, so the page count says 1 of 2
20:38:48 <jmadero> but then you as a user export 1-100 for range
20:38:58 <jorendc> then you substract 100 of 3 ... then you get 98 pages (counting the last page) ...
20:39:14 <jorendc> jmadero: ... then you need to check the entered range isn't more then the page count ...
20:39:51 <jorendc> if entered range number > page count ... you'll just replace that last range number with the total page count :D
20:40:00 <jorendc> ... correct me if I'm wrong
20:40:43 <jmadero> jorendc: yes that's right :-D how to do that, no clue
20:42:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60036] undefined: scalc always crashes at strtup
20:47:46 <jorendc> :p jmadero ... no clue either in hard code :D
20:52:20 <CorNouws> jmadero: jorendc: export a selection to a PDF - shows as count indeed the normal total #pages. Chaging that - upon request - is a RFE, IMO
20:52:34 <CorNouws> jmadero: suggest the guy to use print ranges ;-)
20:52:58 <jorendc> CorNouws: what's a RFE :p?
20:53:36 <CorNouws> jorendc: request fr enhancement
20:53:59 * jorendc learned again an abbreviation :p
20:54:11 <jorendc> I marked it as enhancement as such :)
20:54:27 <jmadero> haha
20:54:28 <jmadero> jorendc: lol good and bad news for today's "stat of the day"
20:54:35 <jorendc> mmh... shoot :D
20:54:37 <jmadero> the avg. length of time a bug is in UNCONFIRMED (from day opened)
20:54:39 <jmadero> hasn't really changed
20:54:41 <jmadero> ~125 days
20:54:49 <jorendc> ... I can live with that :p
20:54:52 <jmadero> the median has gone down by 4 days
20:54:56 <jmadero> in the last 2 weeks
20:55:01 <jmadero> (we really need to handle those bugs from 2011)
20:55:06 <jmadero> that'll make the average drop
20:55:10 <jorendc> indeed
20:55:33 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=219822&chfieldto=12-31-2011&query_format=advanced&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=LibreOffice
20:55:34 <jorendc> mmh ... but 4 days is a quite good improvement I think
20:55:55 <jmadero> yes, still my goal is definitely no more than 60 days average
20:56:00 <jmadero> preferrablty 30
20:57:14 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43246 .. I reported same bug but for Mac OSX ...
20:57:17 <IZBot> bug 43246: LibreOffice-Writer blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED MinGW FILEOPEN FILESAVE .odt: General Error message
20:57:40 <jorendc> but because that's MinGW ... I create a new bug (see 'See also' field)
20:57:58 <jorendc> jmadero: I agree with that average
20:58:18 <jmadero> jorendc: we should set some goals for triage contest
20:58:33 <jmadero> (what do you think about reducing bug count by 25% for a goal?)
20:58:52 <jorendc> of which list? The >31D list we also use for QA stats
20:58:59 <jorendc> or the total amount of UNC
20:59:01 <jmadero> no, the entire unconfirmed list
20:59:27 <jmadero> we won't be asking people to focus on -31D, I think that's too complicated, anything marked UNCONFIRMED is fair game
20:59:43 <headsup> hi, I am new to this and need your advice,
20:59:55 <jmadero> headsup: hey, was wondering if you'd say hello ;)
21:00:02 <jmadero> headsup: what's up?
21:00:04 <jorendc> hi headsup :-)
21:00:13 <headsup> Hello :-)
21:00:18 <jorendc> jmadero: agreed
21:00:29 <headsup> I am looking at 59968
21:00:36 <jorendc> fdo#59968
21:00:38 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Some unprotected cells on protected sheet cand be modified https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59968
21:00:41 <jmadero> headsup: when doing bug # do fdo#59968
21:00:43 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Some unprotected cells on protected sheet cand be modified https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59968
21:00:45 <jmadero> bot will post a link
21:01:21 <jorendc> mmh, I saw that bug already passing by
21:01:41 <headsup> ok, thanks. Well with the attached sheet in the report there is something odd going on, but i can't replicate the bug in a fresh sheet
21:02:33 <headsup> there is some scrip in the example sheet, maybe that is affecting it, I am not sure. anyway what do you think i should do next?
21:02:50 <jorendc> headsup: any conditional formatting inside that document?
21:02:51 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59289
21:02:53 <IZBot> bug 59289: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium NEW Problem with cell protection and conditional formatting
21:03:13 <headsup> possibly, I'll take a look.
21:03:27 <jorendc> or headsup https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58826
21:03:30 <IZBot> bug 58826: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/high NEW FORMATTING: When conditional formatting is use by unprotected cell, is even so protect by protected sheet
21:04:00 <headsup> do you know how I can disable his script? if not, I can look it up.
21:04:36 <jorendc> headsup: is that script a Macro?
21:06:05 <jmadero> hm I can type anywhere in that document
21:06:13 <jmadero> any unprotected cell
21:06:16 <jorendc> ok, I'll have a look now :)
21:06:22 <headsup> I believe it's a script. there's a button - when pressed it gives a scripting framework error
21:06:29 <jmadero> headsup: don't worry about that
21:06:42 <jmadero> headsup: since the bug doesn't reference pushing it, I wouldn't push it ;)
21:07:08 <jmadero> dammit I tested with 3.6.4.3 not master
21:07:08 <jmadero> testing again
21:07:21 <headsup> jmadero: :-) i just thought the script might be causing the strange behavour
21:07:46 <jmadero> headsup: it wouldn't run unless you push it, so if you can reproduce without pushing, indeed a bug
21:08:09 <jmadero> indeed regression
21:08:13 <jmadero> I'll bibisect now
21:08:25 <jmadero> headsup: please go ahead and mark as new and add regression in keywords
21:08:27 <headsup> jmadero: ok, that's understandable.
21:08:56 <headsup> jmadero: ok, thanks - i'll do that
21:09:11 <jmadero> I'll add the bisect shortly
21:09:21 <jmadero> oh what about conditional formatting?
21:09:27 <headsup> my first bug report -)
21:10:10 <headsup> jmadero: I will check the formating, you gou guys are too fast for me!
21:10:23 <jmadero> headsup: thanks for helping out :)
21:10:27 <jmadero> make sure to add your name in QA contact
21:11:10 <headsup> jmadero: will do. thanks for your help
21:11:23 <jmadero> headsup: there is conditional formatting
21:12:04 <jmadero> headsup: close as a duplicate of 58826
21:12:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60036] undefined: scalc always crashes at startup
21:12:25 <CorNouws> jmadero: can one say 'hacking in the front-line' in the meaning of being active at the front of some mvement?
21:12:31 <jorendc> indeed: There is conditional formatting
21:12:32 <headsup> jmadero: duplicate understood.
21:12:56 <jmadero> CorNouws: I've never heard it before but it seems to make sense
21:12:57 <jorendc> thanks for helping us headsup :-)
21:13:26 <jorendc> jmadero: don't worry, CorNouws will even invent new sentences if necessary ;-)
21:13:30 <CorNouws> jmadero: but does not sound stupid for a native English speaking person?
21:13:32 <jorendc> no no, just joking CorNouws :D
21:13:44 <headsup> jorendc: no problem
21:13:57 <jmadero> CorNouws: it sounds clever to me ;) but let me get a non "geek' opinion, brb asking a friend
21:17:01 <jmadero> lol okay friend said "sounds stupid" haha
21:17:08 <jmadero> ...I disagree
21:17:25 <jorendc> lo
21:17:27 <jorendc> lol*
21:17:46 <jmadero> he said it makes sense but sounds dumb (his words)
21:18:34 <jorendc> ... mmh ... would that say he's dumb ... or the sentence is :p? (please don't tell him that :D just kidding)
21:20:46 <jorendc> headsup: can you find everything you need to mark this as 'duplicate'?
21:21:43 <headsup> jorendc: yes, i had some problems with my nametag but i think it should be ok now
21:22:11 <jorendc> headsup: I think you did great :D
21:22:39 <headsup> jorendc: your too kind. on to my next one :-)
21:23:55 <jorendc> :-)
21:25:31 <jmadero> 2 bugs from 2011 done
21:25:47 <jmadero> embarassing that we have UNCONFIRMED bugs from 2011...
21:26:22 <jorendc> :s yes
21:27:57 <jmadero> 3
21:28:06 <jmadero> I'm kind of being lazy about these ones ;)
21:28:14 <jmadero> "RPM package doesn't have desktop-integration"
21:28:25 <jmadero> closed as NEEDINFO - said I haven't seen similar complaints about a newer release, asked for update
21:29:55 <jorendc> mh
21:30:00 <jorendc> I have a RPM on my system I think
21:30:19 <jorendc> nops jmadero
21:30:23 <jorendc> mark it as worksforme
21:30:39 <jorendc> :-) ... there is a folder desktop-integration
21:30:48 <jorendc> ( -1 I also mark a bug as NEW)
21:31:24 <ertai_NL> good work being done here I see
21:31:53 <jmadero> ertai_NL: we're trying ;)
21:31:58 <jorendc> Indeed. jmadero is doing great work here :o
21:32:02 <jorendc> he's on fire :o
21:32:04 <jorendc> :D
21:32:11 <jmadero> lol my hands are actually in quite a bit of pain ;)
21:32:11 <jmadero> hahah
21:34:54 <jorendc> mmh ... bad RSI, bad bad
21:35:23 <jmadero> ^^easier access to all Unconfirmed bugs :-D
21:35:36 <jorendc> hehe well done :D
21:35:45 <jmadero> 1400+
21:36:37 <jorendc> mmh
21:36:50 <jorendc> and our >31D list is about 1030 bugs
21:37:00 <jorendc> that mean we have 400 UNC <31D?
21:38:20 <jmadero> I see 266
21:38:21 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=219883&chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldfrom=-30D&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=LibreOffice
21:38:32 <jmadero> hmm what's going on here
21:38:33 <jmadero> haha
21:38:36 <jorendc> what are we doing wrong?
21:38:43 <jorendc> ... :D I think we miss about 150 bugs
21:38:51 <jmadero> jorendc: paste me the other link for >30 day old
21:38:52 <jorendc> :'-) 150 less to do ...
21:38:53 <jmadero> (please) :)
21:39:03 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=QA-stats&list_id=219884
21:39:33 <jmadero> jorendc: that link doesn't work
21:39:51 <jorendc> :s yeah ... I tagged that list in my 'favorites'
21:40:15 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=219886&query_based_on=QA-stats&chfieldto=-31D&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&product=LibreOffice&known_name=QA-stats
21:40:28 <jorendc> but then you need to click on "see all search results...'
21:40:52 <jorendc> lol ... I had to give you that link :') ... not that smart of me
21:43:23 <jmadero> jorendc: fdo is stupid...
21:43:27 <jmadero> it doesn't add bugs to the list, dammmit
21:43:30 <jmadero> here is the "true" list https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&chfield=[Bug%20creation]&chfieldto=-31D&list_id=219888&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
21:43:34 <jmadero> for older than 30 days
21:43:55 <jorendc> lol ...
21:44:01 <jorendc> that's why my list only reduces :')
21:44:06 <jorendc> damn :'( ...
21:44:08 <jmadero> jorendc: lol
21:44:13 <jorendc> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :'(
21:44:16 <jorendc> :D
21:44:33 <jmadero> jorendc: so our stats are a bit screwy ;)
21:44:43 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm tempted to temporarily stop doing stats
21:44:48 <jmadero> jorendc: until I have a month of data
21:44:50 <jorendc> yes I agree with that :s
21:44:52 <jmadero> then you and I can plan what stats to keep
21:45:00 <jmadero> (and others of course)
21:45:03 <jorendc> sure; good idea
21:50:26 <jmadero> jorendc: that list made me sad
21:50:34 <jorendc> :s me too :s
21:50:39 <jorendc> I'm getting a stroke right now
21:50:43 <jmadero> lol
21:55:00 <jmadero> that's really crappy that those bugs don't update, I wonder why not
21:55:07 <jmadero> jorendc: is that your personal list the QA-stats
21:55:11 <jmadero> or is it taken from the wiki
21:56:02 <jorendc> euh ... I can't remember that :p I just added that to "remember search" list
21:56:09 <jorendc> but it's the same as QA stats
21:56:44 <jorendc> jmadero: 1024 bugs found.  ... so that's not working right :p
21:56:45 <jmadero> okay
21:56:46 <jmadero> shoot
21:57:02 <jorendc> what to shoot?
21:57:11 <jorendc> tomatoes?
21:57:12 <jorendc> :D
21:57:34 <jmadero> or potatoes
21:58:01 <jorendc> okay :p
21:58:04 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&chfield=[Bug creation]&chfieldto=-31D&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
21:58:12 <headsup> hi guys, i am now looking at fdo#59804. The report is for chinese localisation - I can't replicate on english-uk.
21:58:12 <jorendc> I think that's a 'dynamic' one ...
21:58:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/high UNCONFIRMED RTF:about Paste serious problems https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59804
21:58:39 <jorendc> jmadero: I delete the &list_id=219912
21:58:50 <jmadero> jorendc: solved?
21:58:57 <jorendc> don't know ...
21:59:05 <headsup> should I just add a comment that I can't replicate?
21:59:09 <jorendc> I'll keep that in mind :p
21:59:32 <jmadero> headsup: yes that's what I would do
21:59:44 <jmadero> include your version number
21:59:45 <jorendc> headsup: that'll be fine. Just add a comment you 'can't reproduce; some system information with what OS and LO version you tested'
22:00:08 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: ok thanks
22:00:17 <jmadero> jorendc: you'll get yelled at for saying LO
22:00:17 <jmadero> ;)
22:00:27 <jorendc> ooh no :p
22:00:31 <jorendc> I need to take a lawyer?
22:00:34 <jmadero> I won't tell anyone
22:00:42 <jorendc> thanks jmadero
22:00:44 <jmadero> hm, perhaps, I can recomment one
22:00:53 * jorendc pushes a case of money towards jmadero
22:00:54 <jmadero> give me 3 years, I'll give you  a deal
22:00:59 <jorendc> ;-)
22:04:19 <jorendc> jmadero: ... mmh .... why the total of bugs in my list (QA-stats) rises :s?
22:04:45 <jorendc> I don't get it that my list just 'remind what bugs where included when I start that search' and then only can decrease
22:12:36 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I'm not sure, FDO is strange
22:12:56 <jmadero> so 25% decrease during triage marathon is my personal goal
22:13:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60040] Crash after undoing master page application
22:13:01 <jmadero> ~350 bugs
22:13:24 <jorendc> that's a nice goal
22:13:36 <jmadero> I think prize should just be LibreOffice gear
22:13:39 <jmadero> 1st 2nd and 3rd place
22:13:47 <jmadero> maybe LibreOffice sweatshirt, tshirt and mug or something
22:13:52 <jmadero> or even 1-5th place
22:14:00 <jmadero> sweatshirt, tshirt, mug, keychain something
22:14:31 <jorendc> okay :)
22:14:31 <jmadero> our QA call was last Friday right?
22:14:36 <jorendc> yes
22:14:37 <jmadero> this friday I actually get to sleep an extra hour
22:14:48 <jmadero> I got in trouble with my wife last Friday
22:14:49 <jorendc> what's the budget we have for this?
22:14:52 <jmadero> I woke her up at 545
22:14:57 <jmadero> jorendc: we need to ask Bjoern about that
22:15:08 <jmadero> I don't think a netbook for the 1st real attempt at this is appropriate
22:15:10 <jmadero> could lead to chaos
22:15:20 <jorendc> oh ok :s... I think I only can agree with your wife ;-).
22:16:00 <jorendc> But I appreciate your work very very much :o
22:16:17 <jorendc> you're very committed
22:16:36 <jmadero> thanks, I just do what I can
22:16:47 <jmadero> you're also very commited, most of oru team is
22:17:37 <jmadero> but for today, I'm going to say goodbye (at least for now) ;)
22:17:41 <jmadero> been sitting on the computer much too long
22:17:45 <jmadero> jorendc:  enjoy your evening
22:17:52 <jmadero> headsup: thanks again for joining and helping out
22:18:03 <jorendc> okay :-)
22:18:06 <jorendc> good evening jmadero!
22:18:35 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: thanks have a good one
22:45:52 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit, everything ok over there :)?
23:13:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60041] VIEWING: LibreOffice Writer crashes after page preview
00:14:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60043] FILESAVE,FILEOPEN: .xlsx: new functions IMCOSH,IMCOT,IMCSC,IMCSCH,IMSEC,IMSECH,IMSINH,IMTAN written as programmatic Add-In names
00:44:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60045] FILEOPEN: split information in xls is not preserved
01:36:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Pretty Little Liars - Season 3 Episode 17 || ^WaTcH^^Pretty Little Liars Season 3 Episode 17 3x17 s3e7 FREE
02:36:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Opened a pdf file with Draw in error || Writer. Frame. Display the same content.
03:16:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60051] EDITING: After adding a text and pressing UNDO, the format of the pasted and undone text sticks
03:36:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: broke up libreoffice
06:47:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60055] : Feature request - insert text from scanner's OCR || [Bug 60054] sdremote - android app very crashy ...
07:17:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60056] CRASH when fill all cells of sheet || [Bug 60057] : This is a test bug ro find out from where we get strange summaries
07:47:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60058] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: useless sub component "undefined"
08:07:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Envelope Printing the EASY way || (DE) How to assign "gießkannenmodus" to a short key?
08:18:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60059] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: Improve Wording "Sub Component"
08:38:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Tooltip background is half transparent? || Creating Tables in Calc || What websites have good examples of SQL queries for Base? || Disable Automatic Updates in Debian globally for all users? || LibreOffice apologizes & closes
08:48:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60060] CONFIGURATION: Sections lose write protection if saved as docx || [Bug 60061] Crash when applying a master page when undone another master page
09:08:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is it possible to insert sheets from multiple files? || unable to save my work
09:38:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why is Libreoffice so slow at loading graphics?
09:50:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60062] Dual language spellchecker || [Bug 60063] FILEOPEN || [Bug 60064] [Feature request] define positional origin for tab stops
10:08:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Does LO support RTF \field SYMBOL tag?
10:38:38 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Cannot remove protection from word document
10:50:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60065] BASIC: Can't set an object to NamedValue structure || [Bug 60063] FILEOPEN particular .docx fails with error message "General Error"
11:20:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60067] In export to pdf, an image is not exported properly if "JPEG compression" is selected || [Bug 60068] undefined: Systematic LO 3.6.4 crash on Mac OSX 10.8 using calc
11:38:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can writer support endnote on a macbook?
11:51:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60071] Copy table from Calc to HTML Editor (HTML tags - SDVAL) || [Bug 60072] Text frame with word wrap doesn't fully get custom animation
12:32:50 * jorendc thinks CorNouws is very fast publishing 3.6.5 announcement and changing the website
12:33:37 <jorendc> official international message received: 1309, changes made on website 1311, received dutch announcement 1318 :p
12:33:41 <jorendc> that's euh ... fast :D
13:09:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Live Boxing: Daniel Geale vs Anthony Mundine Live Stream Free IBF Cup
13:51:09 <jorendc> ping CorNouws
14:09:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Modify existing conditional formatting range in Calc
14:54:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60074] : Can't help seeding torrent-powered download of localized helppack (DA)
15:36:10 <CorNouws> jorendc: ping..
15:36:25 <jorendc> oh hi CorNouws :)
15:36:27 <jorendc> pong
15:36:50 <jorendc> CorNouws: is it possible to delete that user manually from our mailinglist?
15:37:07 <jorendc> CorNouws: he keeps spamming it'll not work etc ...
15:37:56 <CorNouws> jorendc: he managed to do it himself :-) but it looks like that he has a bad timing for mailing :-)
15:38:38 <jorendc> :p
15:39:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Plotting histograms in calc?
15:56:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60075] FILEOPEN: File containing SVG attached to a connector closes immediately || [Bug 60076] PDF export looses jpeg images on PPC machines
16:05:39 <CorNouws> bye 4 now!
16:10:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Change address in letter template for Writer
16:26:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60077] FILESAVE: .ods: spreadsheet function RRI is written as ZGZ
16:56:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60078] IMCSCH and IMSECH wrongly calculated
17:10:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Function list in Calc crashes
17:40:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can writer support EndNote Web on a macbook? || Need to recover Libra office calc || text form field and reference to bookmark
17:44:47 <colonelqubit> jorendc: how goes the bug squishing?
17:45:31 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
17:45:41 <jorendc> not that fast today :-)
17:46:15 * colonelqubit has been resolving/closing q's, but the number is hovering around 1700 as more q's are asked
17:47:29 <jorendc> mmh, that's good and bad news :D
17:47:49 <jorendc> but you did a tremendous amount of q's :o
17:48:01 <colonelqubit> yeah, a few
17:48:09 <jorendc> 1700 .. I remembered 3 or 4 days ago it was 1970 or so
17:48:16 <colonelqubit> I've also been tagging a bunch with todo-close-as-xyz
17:48:28 <jorendc> that's around 80 to 100 q's per day :o
17:48:56 <jorendc> I hoped we could do that too in FDO :p
17:49:07 <colonelqubit> so once we have a few more choices on methods of closing, I can swoop through there
17:49:49 <jorendc> :D
17:53:20 <jorendc> brb, going to eat
17:53:42 <jorendc> (It's possible I disconnect due time-out)
18:10:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to upgrade obsolete fontconfig, fontconfig-config, libfontconfig1?
18:23:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: the most annyoing of reading questions about bugs is ... "I know it's reported ... but I can't find it :p "
18:23:35 <colonelqubit> oh, you mean linking question to bug?
18:23:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/7166/text-wiggles-when-i-type/ good example ... I'm pretty sure that's already reported ... but can't find it anymore :p
18:23:41 <jorendc> yes
18:23:42 <jorendc> :p
18:23:46 * colonelqubit laughs
18:24:14 <colonelqubit> Eh, so it goes..
18:25:07 <colonelqubit> When in doubt, file the 2nd bug and be prepared to find/mark the dupe immediately after :-)
18:25:31 <colonelqubit> I wish that the integration were much easier
18:25:50 <colonelqubit> I don't just want to shunt people to bugzilla and have them twiddle their thumbs
18:26:49 <colonelqubit> some of our bugs are 8 years old -- if a user runs up against one of those, I can imagine that must be pretty disheartening
18:28:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60080] Some slides are taking 30 seconds to show up || [Bug 60083] FORMATTING: Barres d'erreur || [Bug 60081] Lines around fontwork not smooth
18:29:39 <jorendc> indeed
18:31:54 <jorendc> and the problem is ... devs are currently very busy with their own bugs and new regression bugs ...
18:32:28 <jorendc> I think these regressions are mostly due (a needed) cleanup of code :)
18:33:18 <jorendc> As they say in most LibreOffice 4.0 announcements: the changes aren't THAT visible for the end users ... but there are MANY changes on the other side of the program
18:35:06 <jorendc> once that stabilized (all the unnecesary code is deleted/altered) ... I think the have a cleaner environement to crunch the kind of bugs with a 'lower' priority (= the bugs that affect all end-users
18:35:43 <jorendc> although I like the enhancements that are made in 4.0 :o!
18:40:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: spacebar for pagedown
20:00:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60085] FILEOPEN: Missing Backgrounds When Opening PPTX
20:11:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do you close LibreOffice Calc from a macro? || Set load/save defaults via MSI || How does one change default value of column width? || Save as MS Office format by default || Can Libre Office Base be used by multiple users? || Coordinate Input
20:17:32 <colonelqubit> jorendc: I just realized an issue with our infrastructure
20:17:54 <jorendc> oh :s?
20:18:15 <jorendc> colonelqubit: :s
20:18:28 <colonelqubit> If I come across an feature request on the Ask site (e.g. http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5523/sqlite-driver-for-mac-os-x-and-other-oss/), my current plan is to punt that to you guys (bugzilla/qa) as an enhancement bug
20:18:44 <colonelqubit> But bugzilla doesn't have an upvote system, while the Ask site does...
20:19:11 <colonelqubit> (AFAIK...)
20:19:41 <colonelqubit> I mean, you've got this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement
20:19:42 <jorendc> yes, that's right
20:20:13 <jorendc> it's already mentioned multiple times in this channel (don't know in the mailinglist)
20:20:14 <colonelqubit> but that's a big hack, and takes goodness knows how much manual labor to _try_ to keep in sync with the bugtracker
20:21:38 <colonelqubit> sure, sure. What I mean is that a smart user might ask us (mods/infra/etc..) "If we can't vote/support enhancements on bugzilla, why shunt them over there?"
20:22:37 <jorendc> I agree with that
20:23:41 <jorendc> the devs sometimes base their bug selection on the amount of people in 'CC'
20:25:02 <colonelqubit> Based on what I've read about the situation, it seems like adding voting would be a smart move. (1) users would feel like they're doing something, (2) it gets users to register on bugzilla, which lowers the barriers to them reporting additional bugs
20:28:36 <colonelqubit> Just make sure there's a warning somewhere that votes on bugs may have little to no impact on when they'll actually get fixed, ballot boxes can get stuffed, etc.. (similar to slashdot's warning about polls)
20:28:43 <jorendc> agree, but that'll be an enhancement for whole FDO ... and because we're not using FDO alone ...
20:29:30 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yep. And raw votes (especially in an easy-to-game system) isn't that great of a metric.
20:30:02 <jorendc> we only have SOME rights to change (some default settings etc), but I don't know that's possible to change more
20:30:09 <colonelqubit> gotcha
20:30:16 <jorendc> :)
20:30:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60036] scalc always crashes at startup with particular user profile || [Bug 60088] LibreOffice crashes on save, print export as PDF || [Bug 60087] FILESAVE: .xlsx: functions ACOT,ACOTH,COT,COTH,CSC,CSCH,SEC,SECH wrongly written
20:30:45 <jorendc> but, I agree with that idea and the fact it'll make FDO a little bit interesting for users
20:41:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: table:table-cell spanning several columns (xslt) || delete calc sheet & Libre Office crashes || Pivot Table + Array + Transpose or dont know what? HELP!
20:44:02 <headsup> jorendc: hello there
20:44:42 <headsup> I am looking at #fdo:60085
20:45:05 <jorendc> oh hi headsup :)
20:45:13 <jorendc> fdo#60085
20:45:15 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Missing Backgrounds When Opening PPTX https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60085
20:45:41 <jorendc> headsup: oh, I'm on the same bug :D
20:45:47 <jorendc> (I was testing that too
20:45:58 <headsup> ahIt looks valid to me
20:46:24 <jorendc> yes, you can mark it as NEW ... I can reproduce it (I'll make a comment after you :) )
20:47:06 <headsup> ther is also fdo%49050 which is similar but different :-)
20:47:25 <headsup> fdo#49050
20:47:27 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium NEW FILESAVE Background of the opened PPTX file is lost when saving as ODP https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49050
20:47:59 <jorendc> I think we can set it as 'See Also' there
20:48:12 <headsup> do you think that from a dev point of view they should be marked as duplicates or related?
20:48:26 <jorendc> headsup: but this bug is quite serious ... There is data loss when you save it
20:48:39 <jorendc> so we need to mark this as a higher priority following our flowchart
20:49:17 <headsup> ok, i'll have a look at that.
20:49:36 <jorendc> headsup: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
20:49:45 <jorendc> I think that Critical Medium is ok here
20:50:01 <headsup> ok, thanks for the link and the tip
20:51:06 <jorendc> headsup: for this kind of bugs (where an image isn't displayed or where text isn't shown at all) it's also good to save it and reopen it with PowerPoint (in this case)
20:51:32 <jorendc> I opened the saved document in PowerPoint and all lot of data/text/background image is lost
20:52:03 <jorendc> so that's a bigger problem than 'just not shown, but when opening it again the information is still there)
20:52:33 <headsup> ok, thanks, I checked the first bug with ppt but hadn't got to the 2nd yet
20:58:47 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :)
20:59:19 <headsup_> jorendc: do u think 60085 should be marked major?
21:01:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60062] Language change via Cell Format is ignored by Spellchecker
21:01:20 <ertai_NL> jorendc: hi!
21:02:20 <headsup> I keep losing my irc connection :-(
21:02:57 <jorendc> yeah, I see that :s
21:03:06 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ready for FOSDEM :D?
21:03:18 <headsup> jorendc: do u think 60085 should be major
21:03:30 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes
21:03:52 <jorendc> headsup: no, like I said I think ist's more appropriate to mark it as 'Critical Medium'
21:04:02 * ertai_NL is now spreading the word about the Dutch/Belgian hackfest on 2-3
21:04:27 <jorendc> Dataloss when re-saving -> yes; does it happen frequent -> no; So CRITICAL
21:04:43 <headsup> jorendc: i thought that was 49050
21:05:42 <jorendc> involve major component ... discuttable but I should say 'no' to that -> many users...don't know for sure ...
21:06:37 <jorendc> headsup: I'm doubting between Critical medium or critical high ... (critical high is also putting it on the Most Annoying Bug-list)
21:07:00 <jorendc> but before we'll do that ... I think it's good to check older versions to determine which MAB-list ...
21:08:22 <jorendc> you agree with that headsup? ... critical medium or critical high?
21:08:23 <headsup> jorendc: I think they are two slightly different issues - 60095 doesn't display data that is there, 49050 is dataloss on save
21:08:41 <headsup> what's the MAB list?
21:08:50 <jorendc> yes indeed headsup I saw that too
21:09:07 <jorendc> therefore I just think it's more appropriate to link them as 'See Also'
21:09:34 <headsup> jorendc: ok, i'll mark them both at critical medium and see also
21:09:55 <jorendc_> sorry headsup ... connection lost
21:10:02 <jorendc_> MAB = Most Annoying bugs
21:10:17 <jorendc_> headsup: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=mab4.0
21:10:27 <headsup> jorendc: ok, i'll mark them both as critcal medium and see also
21:10:32 <jorendc_> headsup: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=mab3.6
21:10:35 <headsup> jorendc: thanks for the link
21:10:56 <jorendc_> headsup: mmh .. please don't mark the oldest bug as critical medium
21:11:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Video Tutorials? || is there a way to import extras ie. clipart etc. into common libre office
21:11:22 <jorendc_> mmh, but maybe you're right (I mark it already as 'medium normal'
21:11:25 <jorendc_> mmmh...
21:11:28 * jorendc_ thinking
21:12:03 <headsup> jorendc: trciky stuff this :-)
21:12:35 <jorendc_> headsup: bug fdo#49050 as medium normal (I already made a comment on that one)
21:12:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium NEW FILESAVE Background of the opened PPTX file is lost when saving as ODP https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49050
21:12:53 <jorendc_> Reason: because you can save it to another extension where you don't have data loss
21:12:54 <headsup> jorendc: re the mab lists - do i need to install the old versions and check or just double check for duplicates
21:13:13 <jorendc_> saving it back as pptx doesn't result in data loss
21:14:02 <jorendc_> but on fdo 60085 ... you can't open it correctly + you can't save it at all
21:14:04 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Missing Backgrounds When Opening PPTX https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60085
21:14:22 <jorendc_> that'll be awesome headsup
21:14:23 <headsup> jorendc: yes, that sounds reasonable to me
21:14:48 <jorendc_> (you can't save it at all (without data loss)
21:14:58 <jorendc_> headsup: what OS do you use?
21:15:04 <headsup> jorendc: thanks - did you see my q re the mabs, do i need to install the older versions?
21:15:14 <headsup> Jorendc: w8 pro
21:15:50 <jorendc_> euhm... what do you mean
21:16:02 <jorendc_> older versions of LibreOffice to see on which MAB you need to place it?
21:16:44 <jorendc_> If you want to place it on a MAB, you need to find out which MAB first
21:16:58 <jorendc_> so we need to determine older versions of LibreOffice are also affected
21:17:13 <jorendc_> if we can reproduce it on 3.6 but can't anymore on 3.5, we need to place it on the 3.6 list
21:17:49 <headsup> jorendc: ok, so in order to do that I need to install 3.5, 3.6, etc
21:17:53 <jorendc_> is that an answer on your question :p?
21:18:16 <jorendc_> yes, as much as possible
21:18:22 <jorendc_> but I can help you with that headsup
21:18:28 <headsup> jorendc: I guess so, I need to look at muliple installs now
21:18:44 <jorendc_> headsup: you have a Linux pc?
21:19:09 <headsup> jorendc: no, all windows and ios here
21:19:33 <jorendc_> ok, I shall do the check on older versions
21:19:36 <jorendc_> I can use bibisect for that :)
21:19:57 <jorendc_> just in 1 command I can jump from version 4.0 to 3.5 ;-)
21:20:06 <jorendc_> a moment -> starting computer
21:21:17 <jorendc_> btw headsup, because you'll put it on a MAB we need to mark it as Critical High; so the answer on the question 'affect a component that affects many users' -> yes
21:21:26 <headsup> jorendc: wow - that's amazing. thanks
21:21:28 <jorendc_> (If so, go ahead :-) )
21:21:47 <jorendc_> but if we answer no to that question, we don't need to put it on the mab-list
21:21:49 <headsup> jorendc: ok, thanks
21:22:02 <jorendc_> that's up to you :) ... yes or no ;-)?
21:22:30 <headsup> jorendc: i would say that's a yes.
21:22:39 <jorendc_> okay, sure!
21:22:40 <jorendc_> :)
21:23:01 <headsup> jorendc: at least it woudl be a mab if it happened to me! :-)
21:23:18 <jorendc_> headsup: it is ... but then I need to place every bug on the MAB :)
21:23:36 <jorendc_> even a bug that affect my formatting of the document I'll say 'blocker' :-) ...
21:23:37 <headsup> jorendc: LOL
21:23:45 <jorendc_> but I think we can't think it that way
21:23:53 <jorendc_> otherwise all bugs are blockers ...
21:24:11 <headsup> jorendc: sure gotcha
21:24:28 <jorendc_> because the bug reporter spend some time to fill in a bug report, he mark it as 'important' for him
21:25:37 <headsup> jorendc: yep, i work in s/w but not dev / qa so I kind of know how it works
21:25:38 <jorendc_> otherwise he'll not taking the time
21:25:56 <jorendc_> s/w :)?
21:26:36 <headsup> jorendc: thanks for your guidance though - I am learning a lot. s/w = software
21:26:47 <jorendc_> headsup: can you mark the bug + leave a comment etc? I'll try to determine which version it's introduced
21:26:51 <jorendc_> oh ok :-)
21:27:04 <jorendc_> you're welcome. I'll like to thank you to
21:27:07 <jorendc_> you do great work
21:27:31 <headsup> jorendc: no, problem - i'll go and mark those now
21:29:53 <jorendc_> ps headsup see the first bug 49050, I already left a comment on that one :)
21:29:56 <jorendc_> sorry, was to fast :p
21:37:42 <jorendc> headsup: it's even worse in 3.5.0 ...
21:39:37 <headsup> jorendc: i marked it as critcial high, i guess you can increase it if needed?
21:39:59 <jorendc> sure I/you/we can if that's needed
21:40:09 <jorendc> but I wouldn't mark it higher than that :)
21:41:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Support for OpenType advance features please! || How do you plot a histogram in LibreOffice Calc?
21:48:26 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you know who to ping for a french bug report right now?
21:48:29 <jorendc> sophie?
21:49:16 <jorendc> or just to the french QA list?
21:49:32 <ertai_NL> mail the french QA-list
21:49:51 <jorendc> ok, thanks ertai_NL
22:11:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I change the default font colour? || Need to recover Libreoffice calc || Change template associated with a document
22:14:28 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how's question-crushing going :)?
22:35:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60091] PRINTING all page of particular .odp shows extra rectangles with bitmap shape background || [Bug 60092] : LO crashes when inseting data from data sources as a table
22:43:59 <jorendc> ertai_NL: see dutch mailinglist :p. Someone found out the extension you're working on :) (multisave)
22:47:42 <ertai_NL> jorendc: multisave is het origineel. Ik heb die geforked naar multiformatsave
22:47:59 <jorendc> ertai_NL: oops :p
22:48:10 <jorendc> ertai_NL: maybe you can mention your fork :p?
22:48:54 <ertai_NL> I'm not on that list..
22:49:03 <jorendc> oh ok
22:49:11 * ertai_NL get's enough emails
22:49:24 <jorendc> haha :p me to
22:55:18 * ertai_NL going to sleep
22:56:38 <jorendc> good night ertai_NL
23:05:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60093] PDF: Missing images in PowerPC 10.5.8 export to PDF || [Bug 60083] ]FILEOPEN] spreadsheet doesn't show error bars
23:11:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Zotero & LibreOffice-Word citation issue || What is keyboard shortcut for Sum function?
23:35:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60094] Text converted to upper index when saved into DOC.
23:41:54 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Incomplete Doc file conversion || How do I make a report builder work in ubuntu 12.04 x64? || opentype options
00:10:36 <colonelqubit> jorend: sup?
00:10:42 <colonelqubit> jorendc: sup?
00:10:52 * colonelqubit is writing a looong email.
00:11:15 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit; pretty good over here :-)
00:11:24 <jorendc> just finished learning for my last exam (tomorrow)
00:11:43 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how are you :)?
00:14:55 <colonelqubit> bus
00:14:57 <colonelqubit> busy
00:15:41 <colonelqubit> fixing some bugs, answering emails, testing some speakers, made some cheese
00:15:46 <colonelqubit> you know, standard stuff
00:17:09 <colonelqubit> How does the qa team handle enhancement requests?
00:17:29 <jorendc> indeed :p
00:17:32 <jorendc> euh, how do you mean
00:17:36 <jorendc> which priority or ...?
00:17:37 <colonelqubit> do you do any testing/digging to try to see if something already is implemented
00:17:47 <colonelqubit> and yes, priority as well
00:18:01 <jorendc> yes, as 'far' as possible we try to see or it's already implemented or not
00:18:08 <jorendc> if not, a quick search for a duplicate
00:18:43 <jorendc> and if it isn't a duplicate we mark it as new and set the priority field to 'enhancement' (and 'normal')
00:19:03 <colonelqubit> and then it sits patiently?
00:19:44 <jorendc> normally we need to determine which priority it has in the enhancement bugs ... but that choise is based on the 'difficulty to implement' and how many users want that enhancement
00:20:04 <jorendc> and indeed ... once marked as new it sits there :p, waiting for a bit of love from a dev :)
00:20:47 <jorendc> but, once it sits there, bjoern and others are 'watching' for easy hacks
00:21:21 <jorendc> so they mark it as an 'easy hack' when it's quite easy to implement... so starting devs can have a look at them (for their first enterence in LibreOffice or just for practicing)
00:21:22 <colonelqubit> oh, that reminds me. I wanted to go implement import filters for Pages and...something else
00:21:44 <jorendc> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_Difficulty#Introduction
00:23:12 <jorendc> nice :)
00:23:36 <colonelqubit> Have you hacked on anything in LO? Anything you're especially eager to see fixed?
00:24:11 <jorendc> yes I did
00:24:23 <jorendc> I implement a close button on the 'findbar' (ctrl+F)
00:24:31 <jorendc> and I make it a 'toggle' function
00:24:36 <colonelqubit> sweet
00:24:44 <jorendc> now I'm bussy hacking fdo#54335
00:24:50 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW [FORMATTING, EDITING] Typing an existing style name into Style box changes hierarchy of styles https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54335
00:24:56 <jorendc> oh yeah ... and I made it possible to multi-delete styles :)
00:25:18 <jorendc> (ctrl+click to select all styles you want to delete)
00:25:25 <colonelqubit> oh, had a couple of people requesting that in Ask recently
00:25:28 <jorendc> and then just delete them all in once, or one by one
00:25:34 <jorendc> wait,
00:25:37 <jorendc> I'll give bug number
00:26:10 <jorendc> fdo#46718
00:26:12 <colonelqubit> I think that they were talking about styles imported from Word..
00:26:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium ASSIGNED UI: Delete multiple styles at once https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46718
00:26:44 <jorendc> yes, see initial report
00:27:01 <jorendc> I only need to tweak it a bit :)
00:29:28 <colonelqubit> what's the "watercan" ?
00:30:37 <jorendc> when you open the 'formattings and styles' window (F11)
00:30:48 <jorendc> there is a 'watercan' icon :)
00:30:58 <jorendc> 'fill format mode'
00:31:43 <jorendc> so I need to disable that when there is a multi selection ...
00:32:02 <jorendc> it has the same effect as the 'format paintbrush'
01:19:24 * jorendc going to sleep ... 2:07 AM over here
01:19:29 * jorendc waves at colonelqubit
02:12:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Text in Calc cells not visible, while it is visible in Input Line
03:12:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Error 1714 Problem Need 3.3.0 RC1 || Macro takes 10 seconds to run
03:43:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to make Gmail the default LibreOffice email service on Ubuntu 12.04
05:13:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: writer destroys some html || Online or Local
05:43:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I do labels from our excel spread sheet (we have Libreoffice.3 already on our system
05:45:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60100] EDITING: Font colour will not change
06:17:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60101] LibreOffice Base Crashed (stopped working) when naming a new database; error attached || [Bug 60102] LibreOffice Crash on font preview
06:44:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: conversion
07:18:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60091] PRINTING all page of particular .odp / .odg shows extra rectangles with bitmap shape background
07:50:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60105] If selected particular user interface during install, only English would be available || [Bug 60106] EDITING: Position of left quotation mark is not fully left at the margin
08:14:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What's the best way to batch convert ODF to PDF on Windows? || Incluir linhas de ID no Calc
08:20:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60107] Calc conditional formatting icon sets: Please add smilies :-) || [Bug 60108] ASKLIBREOFFICE: Uploading avatar in Ask LibreOffice fails
08:44:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Insert a picture from a URL
09:14:38 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can I install LibreOffice on a Windows tablet
10:23:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60111] undefined: This is my test bug for undefined
10:45:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: BASE - Cómo puedo añadir Comentarios y se guarden como Historial?? || Libreoffice styles and MS Word || checking for updates || Speech recognition software that works with LibreOffice (not Dragon)?
11:24:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60114] EDITING: Function COMBINA for number_2 > number_1 || [Bug 60115] ldapbe2.uno.so doesn't use full nss lib flags, fails to build
11:45:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Picture placement issues
12:15:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: find/replace not working for words longer than 15 characters || Video Tutorials?
12:25:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60117] BASIC: oWindow.SetVisible not working WITH WINDOWS
12:45:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Hi, Ask Site users! Moderation has been enabled, so your answers and comments will not show up immediately. Thanks!
13:56:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60118] Calc - Erros in function "Conditional Formatting" in Calc, some formatting to save or modify the file ....
14:27:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60119] Search Function for "S"
14:57:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60120] UI: object rotation does not allow decimals and negative numbers
15:16:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Setting the drawing scale
15:58:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60123] UI: Spinning rotation-degree-values should allow crossing 0°
16:28:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60126] pdf export : notes are exported as tooltips with very narrow vertical lines to localise them || [Bug 60127] Allow Empty Rotation-Degrees-Pane || [Bug 60128] VIEWING: "Window -> New window" function disabled in "Web layout" view mode || [Bug 60129] VIEWING: Window -> New window command disabled in "Web layout" view mode
16:34:53 <jmadero> hi all
16:48:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: reset autofilter with button?
17:30:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60130] Calc conditional formatting icon sets: More ideas for icon sets
18:01:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60080] Metafile images cause slowness/freezes
18:21:45 <jorendc> hi jmadero :)
18:21:57 <jmadero> jorendc: hey, how's everything going?
18:22:05 <jorendc> I got to go in 10 minutes, but I saw you reply on that bug :)
18:22:24 <jorendc> jmadero: good, good :D Exams finished ... Nothing better then that :D
18:22:29 <jorendc> jmadero: over there?
18:22:46 <jmadero> jorendc: pretty good
18:22:49 <jmadero> I have a meeting right now though
18:22:52 <jorendc> jmadero: good to hear that :D
18:22:54 <jmadero> so go and celebrate
18:22:56 <jmadero> congrats again
18:22:57 <jorendc> ooh ok :)
18:23:00 <jmadero> big accomplishment
18:23:03 <jorendc> thanks :D
18:23:19 <jorendc> mmh, I hope so :p... February 8'th I got my results
18:23:23 <jmadero> :-D
18:23:28 <jmadero> okay they are waiting for me
18:23:38 <jorendc> sure
18:23:45 <jorendc> nice to hear you again :)
18:23:49 <jorendc> jmadero: good luck
18:32:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60132] FILEOPEN: Error reading file after inserting comment || [Bug 60131] Ctrt/Alt/Shift missing from Customize Shortcut keys when running in vnc
18:49:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Copy sheets
19:19:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Would a foss alternative to onenote be on the cards?
19:49:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Converting HTML forms to PDF
20:05:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60134] Formatting: Can't change letter-spacing of fill signs in tabs (possible regression)
20:49:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Change address in letter template for Writer || How can we encourage more people to sign in to the Ask site?
21:06:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60136] Attached SVG vector graphics does not display / import correctly
21:19:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Trying to create a template with UK english, different font colors || Do you prefer to discuss the Ask site locally, or on the website list?
22:06:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60136] Attached SVG vector graphic does not display / import correctly || [Bug 60137] Charts -> "Export as Graphic" does not work with SVG vector graphics
22:20:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Excel rakam sorunu || USING 5.6 ?? HOW CAN I LINK A DATA ITEM C10 SHEET 10 TO SHEET 1 DATA ITEM A5???? || How to export pdf from a Calc sheet without dividing it into multiple pages using JAVA UNO runtime?
23:07:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60139] LO cannot start Fatal error on Mac
23:20:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Plotting histograms in calc? || How do you close LibreOffice Calc from a macro? || How do I set Libreoffice Default to open .CSV Files in Windows7
00:20:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Create Basic English dictionary || Where / how to add change LibO icon in Win 7 Desktop?
02:21:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: é possivel editar o DB do corretor ortografico ? (Can I edit the spellchecker database ?)
02:52:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Find And Replace Persistent options
03:53:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Daemon to convert docs to pdf?
04:22:15 <colonelqubit> If I use @user syntax in bugzilla, will that do something clever (notification, alerts, etc...?)
04:23:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to make a cross-reference to a text box using the name of the text box || Spell checker forgets added words; Opening spell check crashes LibreOffice
04:53:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I make a cross-reference to a text box using the name of the text box? || Mountain Lion won't run LibreOffice because it wasn't bought in the app store
06:15:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60142] FORMATTING: enhancement request: add "Text Flow" tab in paragraph formatting window
07:16:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60145] FILEOPEN: Incorrect character encoding || [Bug 60144] EDITING: Crash when inserting hyperlink
09:25:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Format Paintbrush - formats too much text || How can I control the appearance of hyperlinks in Calc? || How to set target filename in command-line conversions?
09:55:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Failure of: soffice.exe -headless -convert-to on windows || running the install program starts in the wrong language || Will Microsoft Office be able to open my LibO documents? || Are there any instructions on how to get Libreoffice 3.5.2 to Install via GPO?
10:19:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60145] FILEOPEN: UTF-8 encoding without BOM is not detected || [Bug 60148] Clean up warnings from the Clang compiler plugin
10:49:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60149] Create brochures via the internal PDF printer
11:19:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60151] FORMATTING: Date Formatting
12:07:53 <jorendc> Hi CorNouws1
12:08:13 <CorNouws1> jorendc: hi ;-)
12:08:22 <jorendc> You have some email regarding http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg09826.html ?
12:08:41 <jorendc> (maybe I can do a bit of pre-work there :) )
12:09:49 <jorendc> pre-work/preparation :p
12:20:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60153] Libreoffice Base, charts in reports throw an exception error of type com.sun.lang.WrappedTargetException
12:38:10 <CorNouws1> jorendc: ah, would be awesome! Let's see on Sunday ? (I'll bring you a surprise ;-) so make sure you won't miss FOSDEM )
12:39:08 <jorendc> CorNouws1: haha :), I'm not kidding. I'll be present ;-). But sure! Monday and Tuesday I can't work on the page, bug today and tomorrow I can :)
12:39:19 <jorendc> Don't know what the actual release date is of 4.0?
12:50:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60154] Option Display of Fields: Hidden Paragraphs changes vertical alignment in tables || [Bug 60155] EDITING: Cell not automatically recalculating
12:56:33 <CorNouws1> jorendc: OK!
12:57:25 <CorNouws1> jorendc: releasedate... big secret for all, but should be around 6, 7, unless there's some little delay (which no one knows by now, so that's the secret)
12:57:44 <jorendc> oh ok :). Thanks... so we have a little time here
13:21:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60156] FILEOPEN: crash when loading a presentation || [Bug 60139] LO cannot start Fatal error on Mac: lightproof-hu_hu-1.3.oxt clashes with bundled dict-hu.oxt
13:26:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: stay in directory when you open multiple files
13:33:46 * CorNouws1 late, must leave ..
13:33:48 <CorNouws1> bye all..
13:51:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60158] python cannot invoke LO cacle built-in functions || [Bug 60159] LibreOffice 3.6.4.3 and above does not import images from PDF, VSD and CDR (in 3.5.7.3 everything worked well)
14:26:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Data table problem
14:41:47 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
14:41:53 <pje335_NL> ey
14:41:58 <jorendc> how's school going :)?
14:42:08 <pje335_NL> boring :)
14:42:25 <pje335_NL> like usiualy
14:42:42 <pje335_NL> usually*
14:43:30 <jorendc> haha :)
14:43:42 <pje335_NL> jorendc: oke that was not the question so the anser
14:44:35 <pje335_NL> it is going fine just learning some stuff for my 10 tests over 5 weeks
14:44:52 <pje335_NL> and how are you doing?
14:50:45 <jorendc> oh nice pje335_NL ... upcoming exams?
14:51:04 <jorendc> I'm doing very fine ... my exams just finished (yesterday :) )... now I have a week vacation
14:51:59 <pje335_NL> nice wel happy hollydays :)
14:52:34 <jorendc> thanks :)
14:53:32 <pje335_NL> no i don't got real exams the are just test from evry subjes (10) and there are 5 times a year and i don't like them
14:54:42 <jorendc> hehe :D
14:54:52 <jorendc> who do like them? I think nobody do :p
14:55:27 <pje335_NL> :P]
15:04:04 <pje335_NL> jorendc: wen i can conform a bug shout i set it so new or undo and wait for some one to conform as well (I always do NEW)
15:05:01 <jorendc> pje335_NL: If you can confirm a bug that is reported by someone else, you can set it as NEW for sure :)
15:05:33 <pje335_NL> ok thanks just dubble checking :)
15:06:52 <jorendc> sure, no problem :)
15:14:06 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
15:14:16 <jorendc> thans for the intervention last night/(evening for you)
15:14:18 <jorendc> thanks*
15:23:48 * colonelqubit waves
15:23:53 <jorendc> :)
15:26:09 <colonelqubit> talk to me about samba
15:27:33 <jorendc> don't know anything about that :p
15:27:45 <colonelqubit> from ESC minutes "is Samba completely broken in 4.0?"
15:28:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=samba&list_id=222083
15:28:25 <jorendc> don't know :D
15:29:30 <colonelqubit> ok.
15:35:01 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I see you guys did a tremendous work again ... 1600 unasnwered questions
15:37:29 <colonelqubit> work, work, workin' away...
15:37:47 <colonelqubit> :-)
15:38:02 <jorendc> :D
15:38:19 <jorendc> we're still fluctuating ... 1400 UNCONFIRMED in total ...
15:39:38 <colonelqubit> are you expecting a flood of bugs right after four-oh is released?
15:39:58 <colonelqubit> (perhaps many of which will be dupes...)
15:40:02 <jorendc> for sure :)
15:40:26 <jorendc> I think there'll be indeed many dupes reported ...
15:41:00 <jorendc> but I'm still a freshmen :p ... I never watched the flood of bug reports with a new release
15:41:16 <colonelqubit> gotcha
15:51:35 <colonelqubit> jorendc: another style-related q - http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/7210/how-to-make-global-change-to-fonts-in-libreoffice/
15:53:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60161] PDF: pdf-export of metafile is faulty
15:54:05 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm not a styles-expert :p
15:54:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but I'll look at it for sure
15:55:47 <jorendc> wb jmadero
15:56:00 <jmadero> jorendc: hey
15:58:31 <jmadero> how's our 4.0 list doing
15:58:36 <jmadero> 29, not bad
15:58:57 <jmadero> I realized a few days ago that I had XP on a virtual machine....completely forgot about it ;)
16:01:27 <jorendc> lol :D
16:02:08 <jmadero> so January pulls are done for bugs, going to make a "January stats" ;)
16:02:59 <jorendc> nice
16:03:04 <jorendc> :D I'm curious
16:03:12 <jmadero> me too, trying to think of what stats are useful
16:09:30 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/7301/compatibility-with-ms-excel/
16:09:46 <colonelqubit> "The problem is when I open old excel files built in windows, it will be very bad.This goes with writer as well.I tried to file a bug more than once, nothing happened.can u help pls?"
16:10:14 <colonelqubit> Not sure I have a good answer for this type of question, but I'm sure you guys see it as well
16:10:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: try to get the correct bug numbers ... so we can verify/mark them as duplicate etc ...
16:10:57 <jorendc> colonelqubit: with bug numbers we also can verify the status etc
16:10:58 <colonelqubit> yep
16:11:19 <colonelqubit> 56960
16:11:57 <jmadero> colonelqubit: fdo#56960
16:12:01 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium NEEDINFO [Task]: several FORMATTING issues when FILOPEN particular .xls https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56960
16:12:01 <jmadero> include the fdo# part :)
16:12:17 <colonelqubit> fdo#56961
16:12:21 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/medium NEW FILEOPEN FILESAVE DOCX Import/export issues https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56961
16:12:40 <colonelqubit> jmadero: yeah, I was just about to ask what special sauce I should use here :-)
16:12:56 <jmadero> colonelqubit: too many tricks and what not to remember ;)
16:14:13 <colonelqubit> Hmm... sounds like communication problems in this case. Nov 11th, "I've received a message indicating that the problem is resolved. I wonder how ! I just uploaded the required attachments. Please confirm back the status"
16:16:46 <jorendc> indeed colonelqubit
16:17:03 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=56961
16:17:41 <jorendc> there you can see it was indeed marked as RESOLVED for 2 minutes :p
16:17:55 <jorendc> then davian correct it and set it back to UNCONFIRMED
16:18:32 <jmadero> jorendc: can you look at fdo#60123
16:18:36 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Drawing enhancement/medium UNCONFIRMED UI: Spinning rotation-degree-values should allow crossing 0° https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60123
16:18:37 <jmadero> it's Rainer's bug and I can't reproduce it
16:19:02 <jorendc> sure jmadero
16:19:04 <jmadero> ah, part of the issue is his test document is a spreadsheet file but componenet listed is Drawing....
16:19:13 <colonelqubit> hmm..the clock is running quite fast today..
16:19:19 <colonelqubit> gotta run. ciao, folks
16:19:27 <jorendc> ok sure colonelqubit :)
16:19:31 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see you later!
16:21:14 <jmadero> colonelqubit: take it easy!
16:22:38 <jmadero> SOB, just realized my build failed last night
16:22:40 <jmadero> DAMMIT
16:23:42 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce either ... when I click on the 'down arrow' to change rotation of that rectangle ... I can't go further than 0 degrees ...
16:23:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60162] EDITING: App crashes when editing cell content
16:23:54 <jorendc> but I can when I try to rotate the cell
16:24:03 <jorendc> (using latest master build today)
16:24:22 <jmadero> jorendc: that's his point
16:24:23 <jmadero> ;)
16:24:27 <jmadero> he thinks both should allow
16:24:56 <jmadero> ah jorendc I see
16:24:58 <jmadero> so latest master allows
16:25:03 <jmadero> for both?
16:25:21 <jorendc> no, latest doesn't allow it for rectangle :p
16:25:26 <jorendc> lol, didn't know that was the problem
16:25:38 <jmadero> jorendc: lol yeah seems like a minor issue but can you confirm it?
16:25:39 <jorendc> :'-) didn't read the next line :p
16:25:44 <jorendc> I will jmadero
16:25:49 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :)
16:25:53 <jorendc> I'll also try to reproduce using 4.0 RC2
16:26:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to make 'global' change to fonts in LibreOffice Impress || yum install libreoffice NO JAVA or OPENJAVA || [LO3.6] Writer bulleted list button doesn't use any style - can't customize || Save ODS as XLS destroyed greek characters
16:26:58 <jorendc> also reproducible using LO4.0rc2. Thanks jmadero for pointing this to my direction ;-)
16:27:10 <jmadero> lol Rainer finds the strangest issues
16:27:19 <jorendc> he do :D
16:27:37 <jorendc> but he has wonderful steps to reproduce and perfect test documents :o
16:27:47 <jorendc> He spend so much time on that :o
16:28:06 <jmadero> jorendc: every time, I wonder how he has the patience ;)
16:28:21 <jorendc> jmadero: I multiple agree with that :D
16:31:30 <jorendc> jmadero: we can set 'depends on 60120' for that bug?
16:31:37 <jorendc> fdo#60120
16:31:41 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Drawing normal/medium NEW UI: object rotation does not allow decimals and negative numbers https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60120
16:31:44 <jorendc> and see inline comment of rainer himself
16:31:53 <jorendc> This one might have impact to "Bug 60120 - UI: object rotation does not allow decimals and negative numbers"
16:33:19 <jmadero> jorendc: no those are different
16:33:28 <jmadero> they are related but different
16:34:06 <jorendc> ok :) no 'depends on' then :)
16:34:15 <jorendc> (didn't used that field yet :D )
16:48:56 <jorendc> god dammit, I hate stupid users that don't know how to sign out of a mailinglist
16:48:58 <jorendc> *sigh*
16:50:53 <jmadero> jorendc: lol deep breath ;)
16:51:08 * jorendc breath as deep as possible
16:51:18 * jorendc writing a nice mail in return :D
16:54:06 * jorendc closed his concept mail because that'll not nice to send :p
16:55:23 <jmadero> LOL
16:55:26 <jmadero> self filtration
16:55:29 <jmadero> a lot of people don't have that
16:55:30 <jorendc> yes it is :D
16:55:31 <jmadero> it's a good skill
16:55:38 <jmadero> I lack it often
16:55:45 <jorendc> lol, me to
16:56:25 <jorendc> I wrote once a mail in response to an user (he was on retirement, can't handle a computer that good) who was blaming our lack of a good help system ...
16:57:12 <jorendc> the only problem he had was he couldn't send an attachment with his email (because attachments are filtered in the mailinglist server)
16:57:40 <jorendc> we already told him just to upload his screenshot to a website etc :p .. but he was blaming us for that ...
16:58:00 <jorendc> I wrote him a nice but powerful email in respons :p
16:58:49 <jmadero> jorendc: sometimes it's necessary to be aggressive
16:58:58 <jmadero> I got in a public feud with a user shortly before you joined
16:59:02 <jmadero> and I had to escalate it to higher levels
16:59:11 <jmadero> they called me a fake, unhelpful, misleading
16:59:20 <jmadero> (they didn't know how to setup a wiki account)
16:59:34 <jorendc> loool :')
17:00:22 <jmadero> and they made my private emails to them public
17:00:23 <jmadero> that's what pissed me off
17:01:27 <jorendc> I'm aware not everybody can use his computer as good we can ... but when you simply give that information 'how to do that' ... and still doing such things :s
17:01:45 <jorendc> that's euh ... how can I say that ...
17:01:47 <jorendc> hard to deal with
17:03:30 <jmadero> jorendc: -69 bugs
17:03:31 <jmadero> :)
17:03:33 <jmadero> hahaha
17:03:40 <jmadero> pinging Rainer to just confirm his own UNCONFIRMED bugs lol
17:04:09 <jorendc> lol ... really?
17:06:00 <jmadero> yeah since he's a major contributor he can just mark his own as NEW
17:06:03 <jmadero> I just emailed him
17:06:04 <jmadero> ;)
17:07:52 <jmadero> I finally created a launcher for libreoffice master....so sick of typing cd /data/git/libo/install/program
17:07:53 <jmadero> haha
17:08:34 <jorendc> haha :D
17:08:39 <jorendc> I did that last week too :')
17:11:07 <jmadero> he has BY FAR the most bug reports for UNCONFIRMED
17:11:08 <jmadero> lol
17:11:16 <jmadero> as of yesterday, 72
17:11:19 <jmadero> the next closest, 28
17:12:19 <jorendc> nice :)
17:12:26 <jorendc> that'll be a huge improvement :D
17:20:00 <jorendc> jmadero: but maybe not all bugs just 'confirm right away' ... because he report his bugs with platform 'Windows (all)'
17:20:12 <jorendc> it's maybe useful to verify on other platforms
17:20:28 <jorendc> but ... that's another case, and the bug can set NEW for sure :)
17:20:36 * jorendc waves to headsup
17:21:07 <headsup> jorendc: hello
17:21:17 <jorendc> how are you :)?
17:21:49 <headsup> jorendc: fine, thought i'd attemp a few more bugs this evening
17:22:01 <jmadero> headsup: glad to see you in the room again
17:22:03 <headsup> jorendc: how are you? :)
17:22:04 <jorendc> headsup: superb!
17:22:22 <jorendc> headsup: I'm fine... I finished my exams yesterday :-)... So I now have a week vacation :)
17:22:33 <jorendc> headsup: nothing better then that for sure :d
17:22:39 <jorendc> thanks for asking
17:23:03 <headsup> Jorendc: I went through a few rtf table related bugs yesterday, couldn't see you online at the time
17:23:22 <jorendc> pje335_Eating: enjoy your diner :)
17:23:30 <headsup> jorendc: will need your expert guidance on a couple of points
17:23:38 <pje335_Eating> thank you
17:23:42 <jorendc> headsup: yes, that's correct. I only was here around 1AM (+1 UTC)
17:24:05 <jorendc> headsup: I'm not an expert at all :D ... certainly not for rtf :p... but feel free to shoot your questions :)
17:24:10 <jorendc> maybe can jmadero help too
17:24:12 <headsup> jorendc: i was tucked up at that time :)
17:25:03 <jorendc> headsup: :D
17:25:06 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: sure - I need all the help I can get, give me a couple of minutes to collect my questions
17:25:29 <jorendc> sure headsup, I'm going to get some coffee. I'll read it in a minute
17:25:34 <jmadero> ditto, coffeeee
17:25:41 <jmadero> jorendc: expert ;) told you, you're already climbing fast
17:25:47 <jmadero> integral part of the team now
17:25:48 * jorendc walks like a zombie to the kitchen
17:26:06 <jorendc> jmadero: hehe xD
17:34:05 <jmadero> jorendc: fdo#60092, I can't confirm but want second opinion
17:34:09 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : LO crashes when inserting data from data sources as a table https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60092
17:36:53 <jmadero> jorendc: I don't understand "insert data via "ok""
17:38:38 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: you folks had your caffein injection? :) I have 4 bugs that I beleive are related. shall I hit you with
17:38:51 <headsup> the numbers now?
17:39:00 <jmadero> headsup: go for it, make sure to include fdo#
17:39:00 <jmadero> so it links it
17:39:16 * jorendc back
17:39:21 <jorendc> sorry, was delayed on my way :)
17:39:23 <headsup> fd0#59953
17:39:23 <headsup> fdo#59393
17:39:23 <headsup> fdo#48440
17:39:23 <headsup> fdo#50226
17:39:26 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED FIXED REGRESSION: when FILEOPEN particular .RTF column width in tables is taken from the next column https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59393
17:39:28 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/high ASSIGNED FILEOPEN RTF: TABLE VIEWING destroyed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48440
17:39:30 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 59393) FILEOPEN RTF: TABLE VIEWING isn't correct https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50226
17:39:32 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED FIXED REGRESSION: when FILEOPEN particular .RTF column width in tables is taken from the next column https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59393
17:39:43 <jmadero> headsup: those are all fixed...
17:39:58 <jmadero> so no need to have QA involved
17:40:02 <jmadero> well one is assigned
17:40:40 <jorendc> hehe headsup: I'm currently filling my drip with coffee :p
17:40:56 <jorendc> I agree with jmadero ...
17:41:39 <headsup> sorry for the delay
17:41:58 <headsup> 48440 is the assigned one
17:42:28 <jorendc> correct headsup the other ones are fixed?
17:43:18 <headsup> that was for 3.5 release - I was unsure how to mark that as I don't have 3.5.2 installed.
17:43:21 <jorendc> jmadero: I'll take a look at your bug (60092 you pinged me)
17:43:55 <jmadero> headsup: we should only be triaging UNCONFIRMED bugs
17:43:58 <jmadero> if it's assigned, QA has already done it's job
17:44:01 <jmadero> its*
17:44:15 <headsup> yep, but if it's a duplicate?
17:44:28 <jmadero> headsup: which one is the duplicate
17:44:58 <headsup> well they all the others could be duplicates of the oldest bug, no?
17:45:35 <jmadero> headsup: which UNCONFIRMED bug is a duplicate
17:45:42 <jmadero> we don't change the status of ASSIGNED or FIXED bugs
17:45:47 <headsup> jmader: they are all table processing in rtf
17:46:13 <jorendc> headsup: I see that the assigned dev is Miklos ...
17:46:21 <jmadero> headsup: yes but we shouldn't be touching those ones, they are "outside of the realm of QA"
17:46:22 <headsup> jmader: this was yeterday, they weren't fixed or assigned then
17:46:31 <jmadero> lol ah, well they are now ;)
17:46:40 <jorendc> headsup: he's an expert on RTF, so no need to look it's a duplicate or not
17:46:57 <jorendc> headsup: he fixes almost all RTF related bugs
17:47:01 <jmadero> headsup: the second link in the chat has all UNCONFIRMED bugs that we should be looking at
17:47:16 <headsup> jmadero: yes, I am look for guidance about what i shoudl do in similar situations
17:47:23 <jmadero> ohhh
17:47:35 <jorendc> headsup: if he read the bug report and he already fixed that/saw already a bug passing by :)... He'll mark it that way by himself
17:47:57 <jmadero> headsup: with RTF bugs I'd add Miklos to CC
17:48:05 <jorendc> oooooooh :D ... ok :p
17:48:10 <headsup> jmadero: i was working on an unassigned bug, looked for possible unfixed duplicates and found teh others
17:48:11 <jmadero> headsup: if the bugs seem incredibly similar mark as a duplicate, otherwise let Miklos do it
17:48:33 <jmadero> headsup: yeah I understand now :)
17:48:48 <jorendc> sorry for that misunderstanding :)
17:48:57 <jmadero> headsup: if a bug has been marked as FIXED and then you find an UNCONFIRMED bug that looks very similar
17:48:58 <jmadero> there are two options
17:48:59 <headsup> jmadero: that's what I did basically except for 48440 which I couldn't test on that version of lo
17:49:08 <jmadero> 1 mark as a duplicate and then REOPEN the FIXED bug
17:49:14 <jmadero> (only if you can confirm though)
17:49:29 <jmadero> or just mark the one as NEW if you aren't comfortable marking as a duplicate
17:49:36 <jmadero> and with RTF add vmiklos
17:50:08 <jmadero> and only reopen the bug if the versions are the same or the new bug is a newer version
17:50:19 <jmadero> if the new bug is an older version, say it's been fixed in the newer release and pont to the bug
17:50:23 <jmadero> that shows it as RESOLVED - FIXED
17:51:15 <headsup> jmadero: ok thanks - for related functions (e.g.) rtf should we try and collect all possible duplicates together
17:51:35 <headsup> jmadero: even if they might be slightly different
17:51:38 <jorendc> headsup: if the bug is reported with a 'old' version of libreoffice, feel free to leave a comment to ask if the bug reporter still can confirm this behavior using more recent versions
17:52:41 <jorendc> headsup: it depends on how 'slightly' the diff is ... If you're not sure at all :) feel free to poke us, or just add miklos to cc and leave a comment where you link to the other bug
17:53:11 <jmadero> headsup: in general no
17:53:12 <jorendc> headsup: if miklos reads the report, he'll also consider what you say and can determine if it's indeed duplicate or not
17:53:26 <jmadero> headsup: only if the steps are very very similar should we mark as a duplicate
17:54:03 <jmadero> sometimes a bug that seems similar are in fact completely different in terms of the code related
17:55:16 <headsup> ok, do better to "see also" if in doubt?
17:55:51 <jmadero> headsup: that's perfect
17:56:34 <jmadero> jorendc: fdo#60067, is it just me or does the pdf not show a green box at all?
17:56:38 <headsup> jmadero: ok thanks!
17:56:39 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED In export to pdf, an image is not exported properly if "JPEG compression" is selected https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60067
17:57:18 <jorendc> no, as I said in that comment ... I opened the pdf's and didn't saw any green rectangle :p
17:57:48 <jorendc> maybe it's rather a problem with his pdf viewer then a problem of libreoffice...
17:58:22 <jmadero> lol
17:58:31 <jorendc> but jmadero I think I still didn't try to reproduce you problem fdo#60092
17:58:35 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : LO crashes when inserting data from data sources as a table https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60092
17:59:00 <jorendc> :p lets focus on it now
18:04:09 <jorendc> jmadero: I can confirm that
18:04:31 <jmadero> jorendc: interesting, can you give me the steps
18:04:34 <jmadero> so I open writer
18:04:41 <jorendc> sure
18:04:49 <jmadero> press f4
18:04:50 <jorendc> indeed, press F4
18:04:58 <jorendc> open bibliography
18:05:01 <jorendc> Tables
18:05:06 <jmadero> so far so good
18:05:08 <jorendc> select 'biblio'
18:05:16 <jmadero> good
18:05:20 <jorendc> just drag a row to the document
18:05:28 <jorendc> then a window will pop up
18:05:37 <jmadero> stupid thing
18:05:40 <jmadero> lol failll
18:05:42 <jorendc> make sure you selected 'table'
18:05:43 <jmadero> testing 3.6.4.3
18:05:54 <jorendc> lol :p
18:06:04 <jmadero> regression, bibisecting
18:06:08 <jorendc> that's not build in 3.6.4.3?
18:06:29 <jmadero> works fine for me in 3.6.4.3
18:06:33 <jmadero> master is broken
18:06:38 <jmadero> same for you yes?
18:06:41 <jmadero> master showed the bug
18:06:45 <jorendc> I'm now checking master
18:06:50 <jorendc> I can confirm with 4.0 rc2
18:06:52 <jmadero> crap it was broken for you with 3.6?
18:07:05 <headsup> taking fdo#60091 unless anyone else wants it
18:07:09 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PRINTING all page of particular .odp / .odg shows extra rectangles with bitmap shape background https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60091
18:07:12 <jorendc> no, I don't have 3.6 jmadero
18:07:19 <jmadero> headsup: go for it ;)
18:07:23 <jmadero> ah okay
18:07:24 <jmadero> ;)
18:07:26 <jorendc> can confirm using 4.0 rc2 and master build today
18:07:36 <jmadero> sweet, bibisect time, my favorite thing to do
18:08:33 <jmadero> would have been nice had he said "drag a row to the document"
18:08:40 <jorendc> hehe :D
18:08:51 <jorendc> jmadero: 2. drag some data (whole table, row, field) into the text document
18:08:59 <jorendc> mmh, I see your point
18:09:23 <jmadero> because selecting a column doesn't cause a crash
18:09:29 <jorendc> oh ok :)
18:09:36 <jorendc> jmadero: I left a comment I can reproduce
18:09:52 <jorendc> jmadero: can you handle it further?
18:09:59 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I've got it now
18:10:05 <jmadero> jorendc: you can be the QA contact if you want to change it
18:10:06 <jmadero> ;)
18:10:09 <jorendc> (and marked it as NEW, didn't change priority/QA field etc)
18:10:18 <jorendc> nono I left that open for you :)
18:10:36 <jorendc> also make sure to set priority :)
18:10:40 <jmadero> jorendc: will do
18:10:49 <jorendc> jmadero: perfect :)
18:10:58 <jorendc> jmadero: headsup: lol ... the three musketiers :p
18:11:11 <headsup> :)
18:15:48 <jorendc> jmadero: any stats so far :)? (just a because I'm curious :D)
18:16:04 * jorendc isn't coffee addicted ... but stats addicted
18:16:33 <jorendc> 1400 bugs found.  <- all unconfirmed :-) ...
18:16:37 <jorendc> lets get that list down
18:18:22 <jmadero> jorendc: no I'll be working on stats I think on Sunday
18:18:30 <jmadero> need a list of ideas that would be useful stats
18:18:49 <jorendc> oh ok :D
18:18:54 <jmadero> # of unconfirmed bugs, # of bugs per component, # of FIXED bugs per day
18:19:44 <jorendc> Fixed vs opened ... would be nice to see our 'debt'...
18:19:59 <jorendc> or NEW vs opened
18:21:38 <jmadero> NEW vs opened?
18:21:42 <jmadero> opened = total bugs?
18:22:04 <jmadero> jorendc: do you remember the command to go back a step in bibisect?
18:22:27 <jorendc> no jmadero ... never knew that :s
18:22:38 <jorendc> jmadero: you can do 'git bisect log'
18:22:49 <jorendc> and copy it into a text file
18:23:14 <jmadero> yeah, okay
18:23:18 <jorendc> you need to start over... but you easily can do 'git bisect good/bad' based on your log
18:23:41 <jmadero> yeah, sounds good
18:23:51 <jorendc> I think you can verify the hash or id of that build with your log
18:24:11 <jorendc> so no need to retest it if the hash/id is identical :)
18:24:19 <jorendc> that's the only workaround I know
18:24:26 <jmadero> jorendc: there is a "revert" step
18:24:28 <jmadero> just don't remember what it is
18:24:45 <jorendc> jmadero: git bisect --help
18:24:54 <jorendc> ... maybe that'll fresh some things up?
18:25:01 <jmadero> :-D
18:25:05 <jmadero> I hate help files
18:25:09 <jmadero> they are so.....helpful
18:25:14 <jorendc> :p loooool
18:25:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60163] PIVOTTABLE: Highlight the destination area when overwriting non-empty cells
18:28:00 <jmadero> jorendc: wouldn't be it awesome to have a bibisect that goes to time 0 - present
18:28:01 <jmadero> lol
18:28:03 <jmadero> like 100 gigs
18:28:09 <jorendc> haha :D
18:28:21 <jorendc> git checkout oldest -> waiting 1 hour
18:28:26 <jorendc> ooh no ... I can't reproduce
18:28:31 <jorendc> git checkout latest -> 5 houres
18:28:35 <jmadero> lol
18:28:41 <jorendc> ooh yes, I can reproduce ... damn ... I need to bibisect
18:28:41 <jorendc> :D
18:28:43 <jmadero> wonder how many steps
18:28:59 <jmadero> narrow it down to 1 patch
18:29:00 <jmadero> hahaha
18:29:03 <jmadero> probably like 2,000 steps
18:29:08 <jorendc> lol
18:29:19 <jorendc> :'-)
18:29:31 <jmadero> then auto send an email to the patches author
18:29:35 <jmadero> "wtf man, you broke this in 2010"
18:29:53 <jmadero> "now fix it, you have 24 hours, go"
18:31:01 <jorendc> haha :') my family members are looking weard right now because I'm laughing that loud
18:31:29 <jmadero> lol
18:31:45 <jorendc> weird*
18:32:24 <jmadero> even better it should read "wtf man, I just wasted 20 hours of my life because of a patch you submitted in 2010"
18:32:25 <jmadero> lol
18:32:35 <jmadero> "you owe me"
18:33:04 <jorendc> hahahaha :'-)
18:33:39 <jorendc> "are you serious you fixed something? I don't think so!"*start timer decreasing from 24h to 0*
18:34:09 <jmadero> lol
18:34:59 <jorendc> jmadero: don't forget send him a receipe for your wasted electricity :p
18:35:06 <jmadero> LOL
18:35:14 <jorendc> sorry invoice
18:35:15 <jmadero> and my doctor appt. for depression
18:35:20 <jorendc> haha
18:40:25 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: I am taking a short break for dinner, brb
18:40:37 <jorendc> headsup: enjoy your meal!
18:40:55 <headsup> thanks!
18:53:32 <jorendc> jmadero: you know which bug tracker is used with following bug number: i36723
18:53:34 <jorendc> ?
18:54:42 <jmadero> i?
18:54:51 <jorendc> yes ...
18:55:02 <jorendc> jmadero: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/svx/source/tbxctrls/tbcontrl.cxx#403
18:55:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60164] Copying range of cells from Lotus 1-2-3 to Calc loses formulas || [Bug 60165] Calc spends lots of time after loading a large xls document.
18:56:44 <jmadero> no clue
18:56:47 <jmadero> oh must be from OOo
18:56:49 <jorendc> jmadero: got it :) ... thanks to llunak it's openoffice :p
18:56:51 <jmadero> not AOO
18:57:03 <jmadero> yeah
18:57:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I install libre office in open suse 12.2
18:58:34 <jorendc> #i33380
18:58:38 <IZBot> ui FIXED P3 Crash when using cell border toolbar icon https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33380
18:58:41 <jmadero> set that one as critical - high
18:58:41 <jmadero> est
18:58:45 <jmadero> crash / loss of data
18:59:49 <jmadero> jorendc: I can probably do # of total changes per day....for stats, that would be sweet
18:59:49 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: back now!
19:00:16 <jorendc> jmadero: set what to critical high? :p
19:00:19 <jorendc> headsup: welcome back
19:00:39 <jorendc> that's not our bug :p that's from openoffice xD
19:00:41 <jmadero> the crash with biblio
19:00:48 <jorendc> ooh ok, I see :p
19:00:59 <jorendc> sure, I agree with that priority
19:01:17 <jmadero> jorendc: this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60022 is getting annoying
19:01:22 <jmadero> if it's in fact reproducible it's a high priority
19:01:30 <IZBot> bug 60022: LibreOffice-Database normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Sub form data entry causes crash
19:03:34 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54457
19:03:39 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database critical/highest RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 37529) CRASH - ODBC, mysql, navigating tables in data source browser causes crash
19:03:45 <IZBot> bug 54457: LibreOffice-Database critical/high RESOLVED FIXED crash - Browsing Tables in data source navigator from table with more columns to empty table with less columns https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37529
19:04:14 <jorendc> related?
19:04:21 <jorendc> (not dupe, but maybe related)
19:04:41 <jorendc> jmadero: i'm not that familiar with database etc
19:07:22 <jorendc> jmadero: you like bibisecting :p?
19:07:36 <jmadero> haha it's okay ;)
19:08:04 <jmadero> i'm also not that familiar with database
19:08:06 <jmadero> :-/
19:08:08 <jorendc> :p
19:09:18 <jorendc> headsup: what OS do you use?
19:09:35 <headsup> jorendc: w8 pro 32bit
19:09:47 <jorendc> headsup: can you help jmadero reproduce a bug?
19:09:47 <jmadero> headsup: I used W8 for the first time last week, what a miserable OS....
19:09:48 <jmadero> lol
19:10:10 <jmadero> headsup: give it a couple months and we'll convince you to join the elite *nix group :-D
19:10:14 <headsup> jorendc: sure no porblem
19:10:28 <jmadero> headsup: it's a bit of a tricky one fdo#60022
19:10:37 <headsup> jmadero: yes although you get used to the windows key after a while
19:10:43 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Sub form data entry causes crash https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60022
19:10:54 <headsup> Jmader: after sp1 it will be ok i hope
19:11:25 <jmadero> headsup: honestly I just see the entire concept as crazy
19:11:32 <jmadero> for a touch pad it looks fine, for a desktop, it seems just strange
19:11:35 <jorendc> I do agree the fact we'll try to convince you to join the *nix community ;-)
19:11:45 <jmadero> similar thougths about Gnome-Shell which got rid of the minimize button
19:11:50 <jmadero> some concepts are just failures
19:12:08 <headsup> jmadero: well it was a very cheap upgrade for this laptop which was on xp
19:12:15 * jorendc bibisect time
19:12:30 <headsup> Jmadero: although not as cheap as linux
19:13:18 <jorendc> indeed; not as cheap and not as good as linux :D I can confirm xD
19:13:39 <headsup> jmadero: ok got 60022, anything specifc you want me to do here?
19:13:46 <jmadero> lol....but....I stress this too often, *nix is free but we SHOULD try to "do what we can"
19:13:51 <jmadero> headsup: try to reproduce the crash
19:14:14 <jmadero> headsup: download the zip and see if you can figure out how to reproduce it
19:14:16 <jmadero> I'll do the same on XP
19:14:23 <headsup> jmadero: ok
19:14:24 <jmadero> (kind of going in the dark as I rarely use database)
19:15:26 <headsup> jmadero: ah, ok - i'd better install it then :-) I hardly ever use it!
19:21:09 * jorendc waves @ colonelqubit
19:22:22 <jmadero> hm seems like I can't reproduce
19:22:25 <jmadero> I'm not exactly sure about what steps to take
19:23:19 <headsup> jmadero: ok I am just about to test now, brb
19:25:39 * colonelqubit is back in the saddle
19:25:48 <jorendc> :D
19:26:00 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Had a good day. Just picked up an oscilloscope for $5.
19:26:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60166] FILEOPEN: BOM not ignored when using text file as database || [Bug 60167] Database ranges don't get saved when saving to Excel 97/XP/2003 || [Bug 60168] Cursor poses when navigating within unprotected area surrounded by protected region
19:26:29 <jorendc> whaaaat :o
19:26:41 <jorendc> that's sheep :o
19:33:33 <jmadero> (really want the bug count at 0)
19:33:39 <jmadero> unrealistic goals haha
19:33:44 <jorendc> haha :D
19:33:49 <jmadero> setting myself up for disappointment
19:33:55 <jorendc> yes... unless you're a core dev on all components :p
19:34:15 <jmadero> ah I meant our 4.0 unconfirmed ;)
19:34:17 <jmadero> not all bugs
19:34:17 <jmadero> haha
19:34:37 <jorendc> lol :p I was thinking all bugs
19:34:41 <jorendc> but ... same for 4.0
19:35:04 <jorendc> zero is only reachable if all devs from every component checks that list
19:35:22 <jmadero> immediate after ESC call it seems like a couple devs get involved for a few minutes
19:35:23 <jorendc> I think that'll take 5 to 15 minutes for them to check
19:35:27 <jmadero> I always see a drop of 2-10 bugs after ESC call
19:35:29 <jorendc> yes indeed
19:44:57 <jmadero> pondering the long list of UNCONFIRMED, seeking really easy ones haha
19:47:04 <jmadero> jorendc: ...you're not going to belive this
19:47:11 <jmadero> our UNCONFIRMED count is UP over the past 2 weeks
19:47:19 <jmadero> dammmmmmmmmmmnit
19:47:25 <jorendc> :s whuuuuut?
19:47:32 <jorendc> how much?
19:47:34 <jmadero> seriously
19:47:34 <jmadero> wtf
19:47:35 <jmadero> ~10 bugs
19:47:42 <jorendc> nooooooooooooo
19:47:49 <jmadero> we need 10 more people
19:47:52 <jorendc> 20
19:47:53 <jmadero> time to beg user list again
19:48:18 <jmadero> the only issue about our triage contest near 4.1 release is that devs will be very busy
19:48:22 <jmadero> so them joining in seems less likely
19:48:41 <jorendc> yes ... I see
19:48:58 <jorendc> but our devs are always bussy xD
19:49:16 <colonelqubit> two discussions we should have
19:49:17 <jmadero> true
19:49:31 <colonelqubit> (1) How to encourage users to volunteer
19:49:55 <colonelqubit> (2) how to get our volunteers to cross-train and be able to help on more than one piece
19:50:04 <colonelqubit> of the site
19:50:24 <jorendc> True
19:50:31 <jmadero> colonelqubit: very true
19:50:43 <jmadero> colonelqubit: so, kind of a "secret" or quasi secret haha but we're doing a triage contest
19:50:46 <colonelqubit> e.g. I'm sure that there are some people active on the Ask site that could be of use for some QA work
19:50:57 <colonelqubit> and vice versa
19:51:25 <jmadero> which will include a prize
19:51:31 <jmadero> we're hoping that encourages activity
19:51:40 <jmadero> the first step is the hardest, I was always very hesitant to join
19:51:45 <colonelqubit> cool. Who is eligible?
19:51:46 <jmadero> but once I did.....I accepted more and more tasks ;)
19:51:51 <jmadero> colonelqubit: everyone
19:51:57 <jmadero> details are being ironed out through QA call
19:51:58 * colonelqubit is afraid his hat precludes him.
19:52:02 <colonelqubit> ah, okay. nifty
19:52:06 <jmadero> nope, no one precluded
19:52:18 <jmadero> my personal goal is 25% of UNCONFIRMED bugs get triaged
19:52:22 <jmadero> over a 2 week period
19:52:51 <jmadero> hopefully 1st - 5th place can receive something for their work
19:54:33 <headsup> jmadero: colonelqubit: just read your discussion, have you thought about announcing some kind of competition / call for help from software engineers at universities, colleges, etc?
19:54:48 <jmadero> headsup: I'm working on a proposal to present to the BoD
19:55:05 <jmadero> it's quite a hefty task to do but I'm going to try something similar, hopefully in the coming months
19:55:23 <jmadero> we need to start with a "trial" with 1 or 2 universities and then see how it goes
19:55:30 <jmadero> the issue is that devs have to be VERY available for this kind of thing
19:55:31 <jmadero> to be mentors
19:55:48 <headsup> jmadero: I am not sure what libreoffice coudl offer but maybe something along the lines of a dev / qa internship would be attractive?
19:55:59 <jmadero> headsup: we have no money
19:56:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60171] undefined: Crash on Launch || [Bug 60169] PIVOTTABLE Custom grand total name is not persistent when saved in xls || [Bug 60170] Extend ODF to allow import and export of external range names.
19:56:14 <jmadero> headsup: so, best thing would be if it could be "home study" at a university, where students get graded
19:56:23 <headsup> jmadero: ok but experience!
19:56:31 <jmadero> but in order to do this, we need BoD approval
19:56:34 <jmadero> so I need to write the full proposal
19:56:39 <jmadero> including how I intend on managing/organizing everything
19:56:44 <jmadero> but it is in the works ;0
19:56:57 <headsup> jmadero: ok cool
19:57:10 <colonelqubit> I've seen some interesting network effects at the Ask sitte
19:57:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: ?
19:58:00 <colonelqubit> Now that I have my bigger hat, I'm able to help out more with the site...clean up spam, retag questions, close/resolve questions, etc...
19:58:21 <headsup> is there much traffic / interest on facebook / linkedin?
19:58:22 <colonelqubit> The site, and in particular the most active users, are stepping up
19:58:34 <jmadero> colonelqubit: ah, yes, people like responsibility generally
19:58:40 <jmadero> it's a matter of directing that tot he right area
19:58:48 <jmadero> promoting long term <6 month contribution
19:58:58 <colonelqubit> I think a big component of our success here is getting over a certain 'hump'
19:58:59 <jmadero> and, making sure that there is "a little" oversite
19:59:05 <jmadero> agreed
19:59:09 <jmadero> I still consider myself a total noob
19:59:10 <jmadero> lol
19:59:25 <colonelqubit> If we have enough competent people 'directing traffic', then we actually get someplace
19:59:44 <jmadero> exactly my opinion, otherwise, people just stay stagnant
19:59:51 <colonelqubit> For example, a number of the posts to the site are not in English
19:59:54 <jmadero> so hopefully a triage competition brings in 5-10 new people
20:00:07 <jmadero> with the level of activity in the QA room these days, I think they will get excited to be involved
20:00:29 <headsup> jmadero: colenqubit: another idea that you have probably thought of - a lot of companies probably get a lot of use out of libreoffice
20:00:30 <colonelqubit> There's theoretically localization for the Ask stuff, but I think there's only 1 or 2 lang-specific sites set up
20:00:42 <jmadero> headsup: not in the US unfortunately
20:00:55 * colonelqubit agrees with jmadero
20:01:00 <headsup> does that matter?
20:01:06 <jmadero> lol well I'm in the US haha
20:01:20 <jmadero> so my ability to interact with companies here, very limited
20:01:41 <jmadero> headsup: you know that LibreOffice does have kind of like "sponsoring companies" yes?
20:01:44 <jmadero> Canonical and Suse for instance
20:01:59 <jmadero> I'm not sure there official name
20:02:03 <jmadero> but kohei for instance works for Suse
20:02:13 <jmadero> as does Bjoern maybe
20:02:35 <headsup> jmadero: didn't know that. I was wondering if there was some way to get companies involved as a kind of payment for using it free of charge
20:02:52 <jmadero> headsup: yeah we have that set up already through those companies and others
20:02:57 <jmadero> companies can pay for support
20:03:03 <jmadero> and pay for bug fixing I believe
20:03:13 <jorendc> headsup:  as jmadero said, 50% of the commits where made by paid developers
20:03:16 <colonelqubit> Bjoern works for canonical
20:03:17 <jmadero> if there is a particular bug that is really affecting them, they can go through others
20:03:22 <jmadero> oh yeah :)
20:03:26 <jmadero> as does Michael?
20:03:33 <jorendc> headsup: but the other 50% is commited without any payment/voluntary
20:03:47 <jmadero> + those getting paid spend a ton of extra time outside of work helping
20:04:26 <jmadero> but I think the university idea could REALLY help
20:04:34 <colonelqubit> jmadero: meeks?  IIRC he's got an @suse addess.
20:04:35 <jmadero> if we had 20-30 students involved per semester
20:04:37 <jmadero> for a test
20:04:45 <jmadero> oh yeah :) I get everyone mixed up
20:04:48 <jmadero> I recognize voices not companies
20:05:04 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Oh yeah, you sit in on the calls.
20:05:11 <jmadero> yeah :-D
20:05:28 <colonelqubit> bigger hat...more decisions
20:05:34 <headsup> jmadero: colonelqubit: you could send an invite out to colleges, there must be a lot of folks looking for experience for their cv's nowadays
20:05:37 <jmadero> colonelqubit: you thinking about joining our QA call ?
20:05:46 <colonelqubit> ha ha.
20:05:49 <jmadero> headsup: we can't just go and do that, we need to do a proposal
20:05:49 <colonelqubit> is that an invitation?
20:05:56 <jmadero> if it's done incorectly, it could be a mess
20:06:01 <jmadero> colonelqubit: everyone is invited, it's public
20:06:13 <jmadero> but getting experienced people in there is nice
20:06:20 <headsup> jmadero: yeh, i meant after you got approval etc
20:06:21 <jmadero> we have 4-6 people who are involved regularly
20:06:21 * colonelqubit is a sucker for helping people
20:06:25 <jmadero> (ditto)
20:06:36 <jmadero> colonelqubit: most of it is just opinions, setting the direction of QA
20:06:39 <jmadero> brainstorming
20:06:42 <colonelqubit> fair, fair
20:07:10 <colonelqubit> One thing that could really help LO and FLOSS in general is trying to change perceptions of people who work on the projects
20:07:37 <jmadero> colonelqubit: the perception that others have of us?
20:07:39 <jmadero> like we're way techy
20:07:42 <jmadero> nerds ?
20:07:43 <jmadero> lol
20:07:45 <jmadero> (I am quite a nerd)
20:07:50 <headsup> jmadero: colonelqubit: or some kind of promotion to company sourcing managers - cut their mso expenses if they can get some eng staff involved
20:08:00 <colonelqubit> anyone who hacks on C++ code can put that experience on their resume -- whether they're doing it for IBM, Canonical, or just to scratch an itch/bug in LO
20:08:17 <jmadero> headsup: yeah, as we move forward we'll be "growing our list" of ideas
20:08:26 <jmadero> every idea needs a clear focus and organization
20:08:38 <jmadero> BoD would be quite mad if we just went off without their approval
20:08:39 <colonelqubit> but there are plenty of people who do basically what we volunteer to do here -- QA, handle the websites, write docs, etc.. and get paid pretty well.
20:09:07 <jmadero> colonelqubit: true, but we don't want to focus on the money side
20:09:14 <jmadero> we want to focus on the ideals, goals, etc...
20:09:18 <jmadero> IMHO
20:09:24 <colonelqubit> No, I'm talking strictly volunteers here
20:09:25 <jmadero> oh you mean for resumebuilding
20:09:36 <jmadero> ditto, I agree, that's why getting into schools, like having a "sister school" program
20:09:42 <jmadero> would offer everyone a lot
20:09:46 <jmadero> help LibO, help the student, help the school
20:09:55 <colonelqubit> We need to change the perception of this work -- change the way that people view the time that people spend on this, and the work experience and ability they gain from it
20:10:09 <jmadero> colonelqubit: agreed
20:10:23 <headsup> jmadero: colonelqubit: i am just throwing some ideas out here, there's a monetry value to many folks out there - either from the experience or the knowledge that they can securely cut their software costs
20:10:36 <jmadero> headsup: very true
20:10:45 <jmadero> headsup: with that comes a lot of responsibility from TDF
20:10:59 <jmadero> headsup: if we can't offer an equal or better product, and people pay us for it
20:11:04 <headsup> jmadero: tdf?
20:11:13 <jmadero> the document foundation, the non profit behind LibreOffice
20:11:22 <headsup> ok
20:11:31 <colonelqubit> I was just talking with someone about volunteering. A number of organizations have a suggested or required amount of community service that they should perform each month.
20:11:46 <jmadero> colonelqubit: if we could get our hands on a list
20:11:47 <jmadero> or start developing a list
20:11:48 <colonelqubit> Volunteering for LO isn't exactly the same as working in one's own community -- it's really more like "global service"
20:11:51 <jmadero> that would be GOLDEN
20:12:06 <jmadero> I could definitely pitch LibreOffice as an ideal place to volunteer
20:12:18 <jmadero> just got done with my last personal statement for law school and I used LibreOffice
20:12:20 <jmadero> extensively
20:12:55 <jmadero> but we also have to be incredibly sensitive about the interaction with AOO
20:13:06 <jmadero> so again, BoD needs to be involved
20:13:30 <headsup> jmadero: colonelqubit: and to continue with the ideas, then there are the gornment / local gov organisations
20:13:32 <jmadero> universities is really ideal, as most already have LibreOffice installed
20:13:42 <colonelqubit> I think one of the most powerful statements we can make is that volunteering to help support/improve LO can be a really big benefit to many people, and can spread to more people than any local service program. They don't have to fight -- they should be complimentary
20:14:06 <colonelqubit> (I mean, local community service and some form of 'global' service don't have to fight)
20:14:15 <jmadero> headsup: yeah, there are quite a few governments already using Libreoffice and Linux)
20:14:39 <jmadero> okay I'm inspired to finish my proposal for universities
20:14:52 <jmadero> i've been "bogged down" by triaging a bit ;)
20:15:01 <headsup> all those folks (gov, local gov, companies) have a vested interest to have a great product that doesn't cost a fortune
20:15:40 <colonelqubit> jmadero: I've generally seen respectful interactions with AOO
20:15:50 <headsup> if they eached chipped part of a head for a few months it woudl be unbeatable
20:16:01 <jmadero> colonelqubit: ....sometimes
20:16:13 <jmadero> (don't want to really go there as I'm not involved with the conversations)
20:16:23 <jmadero> way above me ;)
20:16:42 <colonelqubit> is sounds like there are just a few very vocal people who are souring the feelings
20:17:02 <jmadero> colonelqubit: perhaps
20:17:51 <colonelqubit> which is sad, because I know that there are a lot of really great, genuine people working on all kinds of projects for Apache
20:18:37 <jmadero> yeah, it's a fine line
20:18:43 <jmadero> I wish I understood the split more
20:20:01 <colonelqubit> yep. For now, I just try to concentrate on my work and be friendly with all who ask for help
20:21:41 <jmadero> same :-D
20:21:45 <colonelqubit> even when they sometimes SHOUT and swear, and loudly proclaim that they're going to back to MS-Office and how horrible all of our answers are
20:21:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I tend to just ignore those people completely
20:22:01 <jmadero> ;)
20:23:31 <jmadero> okay all, I'm going to log off for a bit
20:23:54 <colonelqubit> Sometimes I'm tempted to post something like "Hi @user, Sorry to hear that our office suite is absolutely horrible. A little known fact is that we specifically DESIGNED it to be that way, just to FRUSTRATE you. Have a nice day!"
20:23:59 <jmadero> ...and out bug count has gone up by 1
20:24:00 <jmadero> lol
20:24:09 <jmadero> LOL!
20:24:12 <jmadero> hahaha that would be amazing
20:24:15 <colonelqubit> I do try to defend the other volunteers, though
20:24:31 <jmadero> "similar to Microsoft, we do this on purpose, but Microsoft charges you to do it"
20:24:32 <jmadero> ;)
20:25:05 <colonelqubit> me? whatever, pick on me. I'm pretty confident in my suggestions, and I'm a mod. But please don't do it to the other users, especially the ones who are just starting out
20:26:25 <colonelqubit> That's an important part of fostering the community -- making sure that we're supportive of the members of our community.
20:26:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60174] Incorrect language selection || [Bug 60173] Need a way to format every nth border
20:26:37 <jmadero> yeah
20:26:39 <jmadero> okay heading out :)
20:26:46 <colonelqubit> I'm often impressed by mmeek's emails. Very diplomatic!
20:27:15 <colonelqubit> ciao
20:27:20 <jmadero> yeah, he's kind of the diplomat of the group
20:27:23 <jmadero> I ping him often to take care of things
20:27:24 <jmadero> ;)
20:27:29 <jmadero> okay will be back in a bit
20:27:31 <jmadero> bye all
21:02:09 <jmadero> just in for a minute, user list (active user) says RC3 broke printing on Windows -- no printers detected
21:02:17 <jmadero> please keep an eye out for the bug report to come
21:03:21 <colonelqubit> that's cute
21:10:31 <jorendc> howly mowly :s printers not detected :s ... that euh ... dissatrous
21:13:55 <headsup> back in a moment
21:17:19 * colonelqubit nods slowly
21:18:35 <colonelqubit> jorendc: paid support, what's the company line on that?
21:19:04 <jorendc> what do you mean by company line colonelqubit ?
21:19:34 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you want examples of companies who give paid support to libreoffice/openoffice?
21:20:11 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Sometimes there are users who REALLY want handholding
21:20:39 <jorendc> mmh good point ...
21:20:41 <colonelqubit> They just want someone to help them, one-on-one
21:20:53 <jorendc> have no experience with that kind of companies
21:20:57 <colonelqubit> I was wondering if there was any kind of list that we give to them
21:20:58 <jorendc> I know Cor Nouws have one
21:21:26 <colonelqubit> e.g. http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5019/phone-number/
21:21:39 <jorendc> but that's a dutch company ... and he's supporting other big companies for LO integration
21:22:50 <colonelqubit> gotcha
21:23:31 <jorendc> but I think you just can 'ignore' this questions by giving such an answer
21:23:44 <jorendc> I hope this isn't a common question on ask?
21:24:21 <colonelqubit> not too common, but it comes up (I'm sure you see it as well), and is common enough that I figured we should at least have a stock response to it
21:25:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I haven't seen such a question yet who ask for 'a phone to call' :p
21:26:15 <jorendc> but I do see that there are some bugs reported just because of the lack of computer knowledge
21:26:36 <colonelqubit> @Don Low's response to the question I posted above is pretty good
21:27:20 <headsup> colonelqubit: jorendc: maybe this is against the philosophy but speaking of phone lines have you thought about offering paid support
21:27:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60177] no printers shown
21:28:11 <jorendc> headsup: no time for that :p
21:28:40 <colonelqubit> The thing is, it's good to have that question in the system so that other users can find it...and perhaps not ask it again
21:28:41 <jorendc> DAMN ... the bug is reported as jmadero mentioned ^^
21:28:57 <jorendc> fdo#60177
21:28:59 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Printing and PDF export blocker/medium UNCONFIRMED no printers shown https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60177
21:28:59 * jorendc freezes
21:29:18 <jorendc> that could be a blocker to shift the release of 4.0 by 2 weeks :s
21:29:29 <jorendc> (if it can't be found fast)
21:29:32 * colonelqubit faints
21:29:40 <colonelqubit> aaand, he's back up again
21:29:51 <jorendc> :p
21:29:55 <colonelqubit> headsup: Sure, I can offer paid support for LO :-)
21:30:45 <colonelqubit> But yes, there are a number of logistical issues surrounding linking the existing support/QA structures with paid support services (even if those services are run as a non-profit)
21:31:12 * jorendc reboots his laptop to windows 7
21:31:52 * colonelqubit marvels at jorendc's ability to reboot and keep a persistent IRC connection.
21:32:12 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ... I'm currently using my desktop :p
21:32:19 <headsup> colonelqubit: jorendc: it seems in linux you can do anything :)
21:32:30 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm not a girl ... but I can handle 2 computers :D
21:32:44 <jorendc> haha :D
21:32:52 <headsup> :-)
21:33:15 <colonelqubit> lol
21:33:45 * colonelqubit waders off to lookup screen-for-irc
21:36:25 <colonelqubit> everyone needs a server.
21:36:28 <colonelqubit> moglen was right.
21:39:50 <colonelqubit> jorenc: I want to go test my oscilloscope. Lemme know what happens with that printing bug
21:39:59 <colonelqubit> jorendc: also, I can't type
21:40:16 <jorendc> ok :)
21:40:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good luck with it
21:40:35 <jorendc> you're electronics expert :)?
21:42:57 <colonelqubit> jorendc: the oscilloscope definitely makes me look like one
21:43:07 <jorendc> yes it does :D
21:45:07 * jorendc installing libreoffice 4.0rc3
21:50:05 <jorendc> colonelqubit: can't reproduce :p
21:50:26 * jorendc cheers
21:50:39 <colonelqubit> Well...ermm....that's not the reaction I'd have to that kind of news.
21:50:50 <headsup> jorendc: that's a relief. do u have the same setup?
21:51:01 <colonelqubit> Oh! Right....you mean the *bug*!  I see...
21:51:39 <jorendc> what do you mean by setup? i use windows 7 x64 and update also from 4.0 rc2 to 4.0rc3
21:51:55 <jorendc> I think that's the closest I can get :p
21:52:15 <jorendc> headsup: ^^
21:52:29 <headsup> jorendc: yes, that's what I meant!
21:52:29 <colonelqubit> jorendc: There's no RC4 planned, right?
21:52:50 <jorendc> no colonelqubit :)
21:53:26 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.0#4.0.0_release
21:54:54 <colonelqubit> Is that indicating that a release could come as early as Mon?
21:55:27 * colonelqubit found the answer..
21:56:05 <jorendc> :) indeed colonelqubit ideally on wednesday
21:57:32 <colonelqubit> "Note that we are very strict about commits to the final release candidate, so full regression test is not needed."
21:57:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60159] LibreOffice 3.6.4.3 and above does not import formulas or OLE Diagrams from PDF, VSD (in 3.5.7.3 everything worked well)
22:00:51 <jorendc> yes indeed colonelqubit
22:01:14 <jorendc> If I'm correct even a core dev need a verification of 3 other devs when he would like to commit to an RC3
22:01:26 <jorendc> 2 others devs if he would like to push it to RC2
22:01:34 <jorendc> so I think that's quite strict :)
22:01:51 <colonelqubit> Interesting: you can read that sentence either  as "we're very strict about commits so we can avoid running a full regression test"  or "Because we want to avoid running a full regression test, we therefore are strict about what commits we allow in"
22:02:26 <jorendc> hehe :p
22:02:42 <jorendc> no only 'critical' commits will be pushed in rc's
22:02:58 <jorendc> but ... all rc's are placed 'behind' a string freeze ...
22:03:11 <jorendc> so if you want to commit something -> 4.0.1 or just the master
22:03:29 <colonelqubit> how often do you get bug reports on non-release builds?
22:03:35 <colonelqubit> (by ordinary users)
22:03:38 <jorendc> not that much
22:03:46 <jorendc> oh, by ordinary users ... none
22:03:50 <jorendc> :)
22:04:02 <colonelqubit> I've had issues with that in some past jobs
22:04:25 <jorendc> I do see some beta bugs passing by... reported by ordinary users
22:04:26 <colonelqubit> always a pain to try to track down what's going wrong, only to find that they're running some weird old Beta build
22:04:47 <jorendc> but the current master or so ... none :)
22:04:54 <jorendc> (current master = 4.1)
22:05:26 <jorendc> yes indeed :)
22:06:02 <jorendc> I think I took a bug I can't resolve :p https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54335
22:06:03 <colonelqubit> current master is just.. some sha-1, right? or does the next minor version kind of "float" on master?
22:06:05 <IZBot> bug 54335: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW [FORMATTING, EDITING] Typing an existing style name into Style box changes hierarchy of styles
22:07:36 <jorendc> the current master is for 4.1 release right now... devs can't add features now to 4.x anymore
22:07:43 <jorendc> only bug fixes or l10n fixes
22:08:36 <colonelqubit> 4.0.x
22:08:44 <jorendc> so currently the master will be the next 4.1 version ... but when a 4.1 branch is created ... It'll be just an exact clone of current master, and the master will be 4.2
22:08:49 <jorendc> yes 4.0.x I mean :)
22:09:25 <colonelqubit> off the top of your head, is the official name "libre basic"?
22:09:38 <jorendc> so current master is the 'root' ... upcomming versions are a branch of the 'root' :)
22:10:22 <jorendc> which official name for what :)?
22:10:41 <jorendc> the master?
22:10:42 <colonelqubit> LibreOffice Basic
22:10:47 <colonelqubit> https://help.libreoffice.org/Basic/Programming_with_Basic
22:11:25 <jorendc> I think the official name is "LibreOffice Basic" :p
22:11:30 <jorendc> .. not familiar with that :s
22:11:47 <colonelqubit> Interestingly, that page exists, but https://help.libreoffice.org/Basic does not. Hmm...
22:12:27 <colonelqubit> methinks the wiki tried to get too big, too fast.
22:12:38 <jorendc> https://help.libreoffice.org/Basic/Basic_Help
22:12:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: agreed :)
22:13:11 <jorendc> I don't know or someone has a clear vision of it's division..
22:13:16 <jorendc> but I guess nobody has
22:13:18 <colonelqubit> errrg
22:13:23 <colonelqubit> it's even *case sensitive*
22:13:47 <colonelqubit> so https://help.libreoffice.org/Basic/Basic_help is blank
22:13:48 <jorendc> mmh ... I think Wikipedia is that too...
22:14:21 <jorendc> (yes Wikipedia is that too colonelqubit ...) :p
22:14:36 <jorendc> but I do agree that's kind of frustrating
22:15:10 <jorendc> (and not user friendly)
22:15:28 <colonelqubit> sure, but wikipedia is a bit different in its scope and purpose
22:15:42 <colonelqubit> Apple vs. apple
22:15:49 <colonelqubit> or Windows vs. windows
22:17:39 <jorendc> true
22:23:58 * jorendc crunches his head resolving that bug
22:26:51 <jorendc> everything ok headsup :)?
22:27:30 <headsup> jorendc: yeh, thanks working on 60117 and watching a film :)
22:27:44 <jorendc> hehe :D fine
22:32:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 4X6 Postcards, partially prefilled || Libre Writer fuzzy or blurry text
22:36:27 <headsup> jorendc: do you by any chance have lo3.6.4.3 installed also?
22:36:41 <jorendc> mmh, let me check headsup
22:36:49 <jorendc> not installed ... but maybe I can install it on parallels
22:37:19 <jorendc> headsup: is 3.6.5 also ok?
22:37:34 <jorendc> or do you need to check a regression 3.6.4 vs 3.6.5?
22:37:42 <headsup> jorendc: that might be good.
22:37:51 <jorendc> headsup: ok, give me a minute
22:38:04 <headsup> jorendc: 60117 was supposed to be ok on 3.6.4.3
22:38:32 <jorendc> ps headsup: I saw you had some typo's when you try to type jmadero's name :)... Hint: enter first letter of a name like 'j' and press TAB-button :)
22:38:48 <headsup> jorendc: it's a basic macro script, it won't run in 4, but I am getting various erros
22:38:58 <jorendc> (if there are multiple users with first letter 'j' you can easely type 2 letters and then press TAB :))
22:39:01 <headsup> *errors which may be due to the script
22:39:05 <jorendc> ok
22:40:02 <headsup> jorendc: ooh i didn't know that. thanks for the tip :)
22:40:26 <jorendc> no problem :) ... especially with a name ' colonelqubit ' is that quite handy
22:40:37 <headsup> lol
22:40:55 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/8607/blurry-or-fuzzy-text-libre-writer/ and http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11222/libre-writer-fuzzy-or-blurry-text/
22:41:20 <headsup> jorendc: and i though you were just very fast typing
22:41:29 <headsup> :)
22:41:30 <jorendc> both from same person ... I made a comment on that duplicate to ask why he asked that twice
22:41:32 <jorendc> haha :-
22:41:38 <jorendc> I can type fast ... but I'm just lazy
22:41:48 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yep, on it
22:42:07 <jorendc> headsup: I'm studying for engineer ... therefore you need to be 'smart lazy' :D
22:42:32 <colonelqubit> Feel free to mark any dupes like that with a comment "Dupe of: <url of other question>"
22:43:02 <colonelqubit> and then tag it "todo-close-duplicate"
22:43:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: some things will be triggered then?
22:43:11 <jorendc> ok, I'll try to remember that :)
22:43:19 <jorendc> thanks colonelqubit
22:43:29 <headsup> jorendc: I was an engineer, now i am just lazy :)
22:43:36 <colonelqubit> well, I'll try to find anything marked like that and close them out
22:43:39 <jorendc> haha :D
22:43:52 * colonelqubit will be triggered
22:43:57 <jorendc> ok :)
22:44:28 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I just saw that title here in the channel ... And I am familiar with that bug (experienced by my own and marked some bugs as duplicate) :p
22:44:39 <colonelqubit> I especially liked the "I jistrong text" in that question
22:45:45 <jorendc> ok sorry headsup I'm still downloading LibreOffice 3.6.5;
22:45:55 <colonelqubit> I'm pretty sure it was their first post, although I do agree the resemblance to the previous q was close
22:46:06 <headsup> no problem
22:50:27 <jorendc> headsup: installed
22:50:35 <jorendc> fdo#60117
22:50:38 <IZBot> LibreOffice-BASIC normal/high UNCONFIRMED BASIC: oWindow.SetVisible not working WITH WINDOWS https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60117
22:50:57 <jorendc> headsup: ow... that's a windows one ... :s
22:51:04 <jorendc> I just installed that on Linux xD
22:51:29 <jorendc> and I can't parallel-install on windows ... gives a weird error (but I think that's not a libreoffice fault :))
22:53:31 <headsup> jorendc: ah, yes, I forgot to mention that
22:53:35 <headsup> oops!
22:53:57 <jorendc> :) sorry, I can't test that (otherwise I need to completely remove LibreOffie 4.0rc3 and then install 3.6.5
22:54:03 <jorendc> and after that reinstall 4.0 rc3 :p
22:54:17 <jorendc> and because Windows is running quite slow on my computer ... I'm not going to do that :p
22:54:32 <jorendc> sorry about that
22:54:35 <headsup> jorendc: i'll look at double installing tomorrow, I need to get off soon
22:54:55 <jorendc> headsup: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel#Windows
22:54:58 <headsup> jorendc: no problem, thanks for trying, my bad for not mentioning windows
22:55:06 <jorendc> no problem :)
22:55:50 <headsup> jorendc: thanks for the link, I new I saw it somewhere.
22:55:56 <jorendc> :)
22:56:12 * jorendc brb -> afk
22:56:27 <headsup> jorendc: thanks, i'll say g'night now
22:59:52 <jorendc> back
23:01:05 <colonelqubit> embedded is spelled as such, not "embbeded" and certainly not "embadded"
23:01:37 <colonelqubit> (I'm cleaning up tags)
23:01:58 <jorendc> :) nice
23:02:13 <jorendc> when I need to type such a word ... I always search for it how to spell :D
23:02:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I chain several documents together in Writer so they act as a single virtual document? || How do I insert a picture during a mail merge? || How can I do a Mail Merge with 70-80 fields? || How does Mail Merge in LibreOffice compare to Mail Merge in MS-Office?
23:03:12 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Well that's one of the issues here -- you've got a drop-down suggestion box
23:03:15 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I think we're heading to a new startscreen etc :)
23:03:47 <colonelqubit> so even I am guilty of sometimes using a misspelled word as a tag :-)
23:03:47 <jorendc> (I can see some changes in the current master (build today) ... so mabye in 4.1 we'll have a new 'jacked' :p
23:03:54 <jorendc> oh ok
23:04:21 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that mean you need to change ALL misspelled tags to not show it in the drop-down box?
23:04:28 <colonelqubit> yep
23:04:51 <colonelqubit> but most tags aren't used more than a handful of times
23:05:19 <jorendc> oh, lucky you :D
23:05:22 <colonelqubit> the big ones are most of my todo-close-* tags, etc... those have 50+ on them
23:06:53 <colonelqubit> new startscreen?
23:07:19 <jorendc> yes start center and window when libreoffice is starting up
23:07:24 <colonelqubit> hmm...that gives me an idea. Now I want to make some custom builds for my friends with amusing splash screns
23:07:36 <colonelqubit> like nyan-cat racing across the screen or something
23:08:02 <jorendc> haha :D
23:08:13 <jorendc> can you share that one with us :')
23:08:19 <jorendc> I'll laugh hard with that
23:09:10 <colonelqubit> yep, I'll let you know if I cook up something like that
23:09:28 <jorendc> but I'm not 100% sure ... but I see now a second 'loading bar'
23:09:59 <jorendc> and I saw a mail passing by that changes some layout (and if I read that correctly that was the start center etc)
23:10:20 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1891/
23:10:42 <jorendc> it was rejected for 4.0 release, due the fact it was commited after the UI-freeze
23:15:29 <colonelqubit> "Since it is unlikely that this change will ever hit master in the current form – abandoning."
23:16:38 <jorendc> mmh, didn't read that comment :p
23:16:46 <jorendc> you're right
23:16:58 <colonelqubit> weird, though...unless there were other changes to these files, the patches should still apply cleanly
23:18:47 <colonelqubit> I believe this is the artwork: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/4.0_Branding#Proposal_by_Maxim_Dar.C3.A1k
23:20:03 <jorendc> mmh, not bad :o
23:20:54 <jorendc> didn't know that link :o
23:20:58 <jorendc> there are nice designs out there
23:32:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I loop an embedded video in LibreOffice Impress on Linux?
23:49:25 <colonelqubit> jorendc: got a minute or two?
23:49:46 <jorendc> sure. i'm still crunching my brain searching for errorous code to fix that bug
23:49:50 <jorendc> colonelqubit: shoot :)
23:49:59 <colonelqubit> just want to test behavior on the ask site
23:50:50 <jorendc> ok; what to test
23:51:45 <colonelqubit> Please go create  a new question with the title "[Test] Test question", something like "testing closing behavior" in the body, and tag it as "askbot meta test"
23:52:33 <colonelqubit> feel free to blame/mention me (@qubit) in the body :P
23:52:37 <jorendc> sure
23:54:47 <jorendc> done colonelqubit
23:54:55 <jorendc> (still sending
23:55:22 <jorendc> mmh... site is kind of slow ...  when hit 'answer question'
23:57:24 <colonelqubit> yeah, saw that
23:58:57 <colonelqubit> jorendc: okay, now back to you -- can you re-open that question?
23:59:37 <jorendc> colonelqubit: Sorry, to reopen own question a minimum reputation of 500 is required
23:59:56 <colonelqubit> hmm...
00:00:05 <jorendc> I only have 51 karma for now :p
00:00:05 <colonelqubit> wait, in the faq it says "250 	open and close own questions"
00:00:55 <colonelqubit> ugg, more things to fix
00:01:03 <colonelqubit> So let me run this by you:
00:01:33 <colonelqubit> My general idea is that if a question sits w/o a reply from OP for a while, we tag it needinfo
00:01:50 <colonelqubit> (if we have asked for additional info, that is)
00:01:57 <jorendc> uhu
00:02:08 <colonelqubit> after a couple of weeks, then we close it as 'needinfo'
00:02:26 <colonelqubit> (I don't have that option when closing, so I'm just using the tags to simulate that for now)
00:02:53 <colonelqubit> but it looks like users would need a lot of karma to reopen said q's
00:02:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [Test] Test question
00:03:07 <jorendc> yes indeed
00:03:14 <jorendc> ooh lol ^^
00:03:21 <jorendc> News from asklibo :p
00:03:48 <colonelqubit> if someone submits a question with the title "News from asklibo", I will laugh
00:04:06 <jorendc> haha
00:04:28 <jorendc> or "No news right here. Up to you izbot"
00:04:29 <jorendc> :p
00:04:58 <colonelqubit> Anyhow, to the matter at hand, there aren't many options for us to 'put aside' questions
00:05:17 <colonelqubit> we've got open q's, q's with answers, q's with correct answers, closed q's, and deleted q's
00:05:24 <jorendc> who's the owner of the ask site?
00:06:03 <colonelqubit> tdf?
00:06:05 <jorendc> maybe you can discuss that with them?
00:06:08 <colonelqubit> admin is alex
00:06:17 <colonelqubit> yeah, I'm just thinking about the best strategy
00:06:50 <jorendc> I think a 'needinfo'-state will be usefull
00:06:56 <jorendc> useful*
00:07:43 * jorendc building right now ... Hope my change did solve the problem
00:07:46 * jorendc thumbs up
00:13:36 * jorendc noooo :( .. pff
00:33:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I set Libreoffice Default to open .CSV Files in Windows7
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09:23:15 <pje335_NL> c/lear
09:25:05 <headsup> Anyone know from where I can download Version 4.0.0.3 (rc3) ?
09:57:28 <kendy> headsup: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ - but do not spread this link publicly, this is a non-mirrored host.
10:04:48 <headsup> kendy: thanks, just using it for qa
12:19:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60183] Feature request: Allow regular expressions in cell functions like SUBSTITUTE()
12:49:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60184] FILEOPEN: Open R/O
13:08:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: resolution impress
13:20:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60186] FILTER: The active filter column is not highlighted
13:38:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Runtime Exception with LibO 3.6 xstorage.cxx:5088: || how to change the installation language
14:59:54 <ohallot> ping?
15:00:48 <ohallot> On the RC3 I just downloaded, the yellow Impress template continues to show an uggly bug in svg
15:23:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60187] Second header deleted when converting to docx || [Bug 60188] Converting to .docx Changes Indentation on Bullets || [Bug 60189] EDITING: Copy from Microsoft Excel copies all styles across (should filter out)
15:27:28 <jorendc> hi headsup
15:32:53 * jorendc waves to ertai
15:45:12 <headsup> jorendc: hi there
15:45:35 <jorendc> nice to see you hanging here again :)
15:45:41 <jorendc> ertai: :o @fosdem already :)?
15:52:32 <headsup> jorendc: good to see u 2 :)
15:53:04 <jorendc> headsup: everything ok there?
15:54:07 <headsup> jorendc: I have a modified 4.0 triage bug list which you might find useful, it is easier to see the priority and includes the .3 rc
15:54:58 <headsup> jorendc: it's a very long link - not sure it will work on irc, here goes
15:55:14 <headsup> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=222713&columnlist=component%2Cop_sys%2Crep_platform%2Cbug_status%2Cbug_severity%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.be
15:55:15 <jorendc> oh ok; sure
15:55:26 <jorendc> mmh, indeed a little bit too long
15:55:37 <jorendc> (jmadero will alter the link this weekend I suppose)
15:55:43 <jorendc> maybe you can use a url-shortner?
15:55:58 <jorendc> headsup: like https://tinyurl.com/
15:56:04 <headsup> jorendc: can't u click on it? i can in my irc client
15:56:16 <jorendc> &version=4.0.0.0.be <-
15:56:18 <jorendc> I can click on it
15:56:27 <jorendc> but as you see it's not complete at all
15:56:41 <jorendc> I guess that's beta 2 :)
15:56:43 <ertai> jorendc: ja
15:57:19 <jorendc> nice ertai; seen some interesting things over there?
15:57:30 <ertai> yes
15:57:37 <jorendc> nice; what did you follow?
15:57:40 <headsup> jorendc: oh yeh, it's not all there
15:57:52 <ertai> nothing yet. just at the booth
15:57:59 <jorendc> ooh ok :)
15:58:15 <jorendc> I was looking for how to get there tomorrow
15:58:44 <jorendc> I thought I had a train 'right-away' ... but I need to switch train in Antwerp (because of the weekend)
15:58:53 <jorendc> :D
15:59:33 <jorendc> headsup: are you a native English speaker?
15:59:55 <headsup> headsup: yep
15:59:59 <ertai> jorendc: waar woon je? je kan wel meerijden misschien
16:00:11 <jorendc> ertai: Lier, Antwerpen
16:00:29 <jorendc> ertai: but I'm probably not at home tomorrow
16:00:46 <headsup> jorendc: here is a short version http://tinyurl.com/a2pyam5
16:00:50 <jorendc> ertai: i'll be at my girlfriends home tomorrow :)
16:00:56 <jorendc> ertai: but thanks anyway
16:00:59 <ertai> ok
16:01:49 <jorendc> headsup: oh ok; then I can disturb you with 'English Questions' :D (how do you call a train that goes directly to the place you need to go?)
16:02:40 <headsup> jorendc: intercity?
16:03:09 <jorendc> ertai: I'm very interested in the presentation of mmeeks :) (regarding easy hacks), and also that from miklos regarding writer-filters
16:03:16 <jorendc> headsup: oh ok :p was it that easy :D
16:03:39 <jorendc> headsup: and what's the verb to use when you need to 'swtich from train'
16:03:59 <ertai> jorendc: good!
16:04:14 <jorendc> ertai: you'll be present too tomorrow in the libreoffice devs room?
16:05:29 <headsup> jorendc: change at xyz   - see English is easy :)
16:05:38 <jorendc> :'-) omg
16:05:48 <jorendc> ok ... I'm declaring myself just stupid then :D
16:06:38 <headsup> jorendc: well there are so many phrases one could use but they would be the mopst standard
16:06:52 <headsup> jorendc: u could also call it an express train
16:08:09 <jorendc> ooh ok :-)
16:08:09 <headsup> jorendc: does that link work for u?
16:08:11 <jorendc> I see
16:08:23 <jorendc> yes, sorry; I opened it but didn't look at it yet :)
16:08:44 <jorendc> headsup: nice settings
16:08:58 <jorendc> headsup: how did you show the OS and platform column?
16:09:05 <headsup> jorendc: I changed some of the columns so that you could see status, etc
16:09:17 <jorendc> headsup: very nice
16:09:33 <jorendc> is it ok I'll mail that link to jmadero and ask him to place it in the topic of this channel?
16:09:35 <headsup> jorendc: there is a link at the bottom of the page "change columns"
16:09:50 <headsup> jorendc: sure
16:09:52 <jorendc> ooh :p. I'm still learning things on FDO :D
16:10:11 <headsup> jorendc: me too :)
16:12:30 <jorendc> headsup: ok done :-)
16:12:39 <jorendc> jmadero'll see that mail once he's back
16:18:03 <headsup> jorendc: ok - we only have 24 or so to do and many of those have been looked at already so if we prioritise I think we can close most of them out in a couple of days
16:18:50 <jorendc> yes, But the problem is that a dev need to close remaining bugs .. I suppose
16:21:03 <headsup> jorendc: but at least they'll know what they have to work with and they can then prioritise
16:21:17 <jorendc> that's right headsup :)
16:23:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60191] : Writer General input/output error when I opened documents from smb share
16:25:13 <headsup> fdo#59992
16:25:15 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED WORKSFORME Templetdon't work in testing Libre Office 4 DK https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59992
16:26:31 <headsup> Jorendc: in checking out above I found a different issue in  rc 3 - shoudl a report be entered for that or will the devs see it?
16:27:01 <headsup> jorendc: I flagged it in the comments
16:27:26 <jorendc> I'll take a look
16:28:12 <jorendc> headsup: I think urmas gave you an answer for that :-)
16:28:18 <jorendc> It's no problem to report a new one
16:28:39 <headsup> jorendc: who is he / she?
16:28:52 <jorendc> (better report a new one than report it inside the bug report and maybe nobody see it
16:28:56 <headsup> jorendc: can qa raise bug reports?
16:29:06 <jorendc> a quite active bug triager; I see him on and off
16:29:19 <jorendc> what do you mean by 'raise'?
16:29:44 <jorendc> we try to handle every bug report seperatly and set the corresponding priority ...
16:30:20 <jorendc> so if we try to find the correct priority based on the experience for endusers (and try to handle crashes with a higher priority etc)
16:34:30 <ohallot> Hi Guys....
16:34:42 <ohallot> I'm testing RC3.
16:35:05 <ohallot> Impress remote control window, hangs and cannot be closed.
16:35:16 <ohallot> Also
16:35:37 <ohallot> the yellow template in Impress is ugly...
16:35:58 <ohallot> smothing is real broken tehre
16:36:01 <ohallot> something
16:36:51 <jorendc> hi ohallot
16:36:57 <jorendc> mmh I've RC3 installed
16:37:01 <jorendc> ohallot: shoot how to reproduce :)
16:37:14 <jorendc> (I'm not familiar with impress remote control)
16:37:34 <ohallot> open Impress, or open templates, and select the yellow slide background
16:38:12 <ohallot> the template opens and has an green/lime oval
16:38:30 <ohallot> about the Remote control
16:38:59 * jorendc set the background to that (ugly) yellow thing :p
16:39:13 <ohallot> Open Impress -> Slide Show -> Impress remote control. Possibly an empty windows pop up and you cannot close it.
16:39:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why isn't my formaula =SUM(B9:M9) not accepted for a new row of numbers?
16:40:11 <jorendc> ohallot: I can confirm that
16:40:18 <jorendc> can't close it indeed
16:40:45 <jorendc> that's euh ... quite dissastrous ... I think
16:40:55 <jorendc> you can't do anything from then
16:41:13 <jorendc> can't save your document anymore... only force quite
16:41:14 <jorendc> quit*
16:41:39 <ohallot> jorendc: Thanks. Indeed its real bad. The yellow background thing is due to a broken svg renderer, that has not been fixed
16:41:46 <jorendc> if someone clicks on it by accident ... I think he's 'f$$kt' :p
16:42:11 <jorendc> working on a presentation ... almost done
16:42:21 <ohallot> jorendc: that is a blocker IMHO, and we will have an RC4.
16:42:22 <jorendc> open that window by accident ... and there you go
16:42:32 <ohallot> (hopefully, wityh taht fixed.)
16:42:41 <jorendc> ohallot: you can fix it?
16:43:24 <ohallot> jorendc: no I can't, sorry. Well above my possibilities.
16:44:19 <headsup> jorendc: sorry I missed your response, i'll be back in a moment. raise = start a new bug report
16:44:32 <jorendc> no problem headsup; take it easy :)
16:44:46 <jorendc> ohallot: I see ... I don't have that big hat either
16:44:56 <jorendc> thanks for testing and finding that issue :)
16:45:04 <jorendc> ohallot: you're creating a new bug report?
16:45:30 <ohallot> jorendc: not yet...
16:45:53 <jorendc> ohallot: if you create one, feel free to ping me; I'll confirm it immediately
16:47:04 <jorendc> ohallot: my CPU goes to 100% with that window opened :s
16:47:11 <jorendc> (If I'm correct
16:48:00 <jorendc> ohallot: sorry, not 100% :p
16:48:03 <jorendc> was due another task
16:48:08 <ohallot> jorendc: At the moment (under a Win XP VM) my CPU is ok
16:48:30 <jorendc> ohallot: indeed; sorry
16:50:40 <ohallot> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58699
16:50:44 <IZBot> bug 58699: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high NEEDINFO Impress remote doesn't close
16:50:57 <jorendc> thanks ohallot
16:51:04 <ohallot> jorendc: It's a known bug!
16:51:11 <headsup> jorendc: ohallot: i just tried the remote bug - i could replicate with the standard blank presentation
16:51:11 <jorendc> oh ok
16:51:28 <headsup> jorendc: ohallot: there is no need to select the yellow template
16:51:36 <jorendc> ohallot: mmh ... NEEDINFO?
16:51:59 <ohallot> headsup: The yellow template is anotehr nasty bug...
16:52:27 <ohallot> also know... I got known to it in the dev list
16:52:34 <headsup> ohallot: oh, another one surprise
16:53:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60193] Numbering
16:53:35 <jorendc> ohallot: I placed bug back to new
16:53:51 <jorendc> because it's placed on the mab4.0 everyone will got a ping there :)
16:54:14 <ohallot> jorendc: I see. Thanks
16:54:24 <jorendc> (oh, not everybody on mab4.0 I see ... but thorsten and mmeeks are pinged :-)
16:54:33 <jorendc> I think that are 2 people with a big hat
16:54:47 <jorendc> ;-) they'll take care of it for sure ... I hope :p
16:55:14 <jorendc> don't know or this'll introduce a RC4 and 2 weeks schedule change
16:56:44 <jorendc> ohallot: you're a dev, right?
16:57:03 <jorendc> you know anything about 'paragraph styles' etc?
16:57:05 <ohallot> jorendc: I never sympathized with time-release procedures... This Impress remote is being advertized as a plus and it can blow on our face...
16:57:39 <jorendc> I think we'll burn our hands on that indeed ...
16:58:32 <ohallot> jorendc: No I am not a dev... just an amateur that like to peek into code when it rains outside (not often in Rio de Janeiro).
16:58:47 <jorendc> oh ok :-)
16:59:01 <ohallot> Just kidding... I carry the pt-BR translation in my shoulders....
16:59:10 <jorendc> wow, that's nice
16:59:27 <jorendc> I think the Brazilian community is one of the most active ...
16:59:41 <jorendc> I once posted a portuguese bug on their list to translate ...
17:00:05 <jorendc> I think I got 4 different tests a couple of hours later :p
17:00:22 <jorendc> I think that's euh ... very nice :o
17:00:45 <ohallot> yes I saw it... English is a 10m high barrier to people here.
17:01:08 <jorendc> really?
17:01:18 <ohallot> absolutely
17:01:35 <jorendc> no English education at schools etc?
17:02:51 * jorendc waves at moggi @fosdem :-)
17:02:55 <ohallot> low quality education. Belongs to emerging country set of unsolved / decade long issues to solve.
17:03:10 <jorendc> mmh, I see
17:03:13 <jorendc> that's a pitty :s
17:03:40 <jorendc> any positive changes in the near future on that? (higher quality education etc)?
17:05:35 <ohallot> yes, but it won't turn the people in a snapshot. Takes time. But anyway, I thank you for puting the portuguese bug into our lists...
17:05:49 <ohallot> and get the people to jump in
17:06:24 <jorendc> sure; No problems :-). I'll do it again if I bump on another one
17:06:37 <jorendc> I had good experience with the BR community :)
17:06:54 <jorendc> (and I was surprised of that response :) )
17:16:30 <jorendc> headsup: if I'm correct, there are now 1396 UNCONFIRMED bugs
17:17:19 <jorendc> when I look to my 'stats' I made in a spreadsheet (only that total unconfirmed) we're doing a good job :)
17:17:52 <headsup> jorendc: what?  :O  do you mean altogether for all release
17:18:04 <jorendc> yes, ALL unconfirmed
17:18:05 <jorendc> :p
17:18:23 <jorendc> but there are some unconfirmed there that we can't confirm ... (a core dev need to look at them :p )
17:18:51 <headsup> jorendc: do we ignore them or obsolete them once they are a certain age?
17:19:24 <jorendc> no, we don't ignore them ...
17:19:35 <jorendc> it's not the fault of the bug reporter we can't take a look at them
17:19:59 <jorendc> we don't close UNCONFIRMED bugs; but we're now discussing to close NEEDINFO bugs that haven't seen any activity last 6 months
17:20:08 <headsup> jorendc: if dev needs to look at them aren't they then NEW
17:20:22 <moggi> jorendc: hey
17:20:33 <jorendc> moggi: how its going there :)?
17:21:21 <jorendc> headsup: mmh, normally a dev will only take a look at the NEW ... they have no time to look at these bugs ...
17:21:28 <moggi> great, lots of great guys, we are having a lot of fun
17:21:50 <jorendc> moggi: nice to hear that :-). I'll be present tomorrow... I hope I can join your presentation :)
17:21:53 <jorendc> moggi: nervous :p?
17:23:15 <jorendc> (not nervous for me, but for the presentation :p... No need to be nervous for me. If you throw some C++ stuff to me I only will nod you're right :D)
17:23:45 <moggi> jorendc: why should I? I will just drink enough beer
17:23:59 <jorendc> moggi: true :D
17:25:33 <jorendc> moggi: If you can't remember anything about calc filters ... we know you had some awesome time this evening ;-)
17:27:12 <moggi> ;)
17:27:28 <moggi> the bigger problem will be to finish the slides in time
17:29:41 <jorendc> yes ... 20 minutes
17:30:02 <jorendc> ooh, Cor Nouws is sitting next to you (I see his email on the dutch email list regarding a calc bug)
17:30:07 * jorendc waves at Cor Nouws
17:30:08 <jorendc> :p
17:33:52 <headsup> jorendc: are u working on fdo#59935 ?
17:33:55 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Impossible to edit properties of Fields - Functions - Placeholder - text https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59935
17:34:18 <headsup> jorendc: if not I plan to have a go
17:34:19 <jorendc> no headsup; feel free :)
17:34:35 <headsup> jorendc: ok
17:34:48 <jorendc> I'm trying to fix 54335
17:34:50 <jorendc> fdo#54335
17:34:59 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW [FORMATTING, EDITING] Typing an existing style name into Style box changes hierarchy of styles https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54335
17:35:00 <jorendc> a bug way above my hat ... but I'm trying :p
17:35:53 <headsup> jorendc: well it'll be a learninbg experience for you :)
17:36:00 <jorendc> yet it is :
17:36:01 <jorendc> :)
17:38:54 <jorendc> headsup: you're doing great crushing these unconfirmed bugs :)
17:40:25 <headsup> jorendc: your too kind  shy
17:40:35 <jorendc> lol; I'm not. I just appreciate your work
17:41:52 <jorendc> :)
17:46:11 <headsup> jorendc: thanks, it's quite satisfying in a way
17:46:25 <jorendc> :)
17:46:47 <headsup> jorendc: to work through the list and see it getting shorter
17:47:10 <jorendc> yes that's really satisfying and motivating
17:47:43 <jorendc> you, jmadero and I can handle the new bugs/make it possible to a 'break even' with unconfirmed bugs
17:48:30 <jorendc> now we need just 3 or 4 others as you ... and we can reach a more apropriate amount of bugs ...
17:48:40 <jorendc> 1396 is euh ... to many unconfirmed at this moment :)
17:51:12 <headsup> jorendc: it sure is
17:53:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60195] Report no more editable on 3.6.5.2
17:55:17 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
17:55:28 <pje335_NL> hello
17:55:37 <jorendc> enjoying your weekend :),
17:55:39 <jorendc> ?*
17:55:47 <pje335_NL> yes
17:56:29 <jorendc> glad to hear that :)
17:56:42 * jorendc going to eat
17:56:44 <jorendc> i'll be back
17:56:52 <pje335_NL> have a nice meail :)
17:56:58 <pje335_NL> meal *
17:56:59 <jorendc> thanks
17:57:03 <jorendc> I will :)
18:11:11 <jorendc> hi jmadero :)
18:23:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60196] missing one dash one dot line style
18:36:50 <headsup> jmadero: fdo#59612
18:36:53 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED UI: Wrong file name in top window bar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59612
18:37:34 * jorendc cheers I think I fix the bug :D!
18:37:42 <headsup> jmadero: I had a look at this and I can replicate the bug. The window title is the old report
18:38:34 * jorendc testing a bit more
18:39:08 * jorendc sigh... no go :(
18:39:10 <headsup> jmadero: and one can also select window in the menu and the old database will still be there and marked
18:39:35 <jorendc> I think joel isn't there headsup :p
18:40:25 <jorendc> headsup: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=59612 following the history of the bug it isn't confirmed ever yet ...
18:40:28 <headsup> jorendc: that's ok - I am about to take a break and I just want him to see my note in case he wants to relook at it
18:40:31 <jorendc> headsup: feel free to set as NEW :)
18:40:44 <jorendc> (and leave a comment etc)
18:40:47 <jorendc> oh ok :). I see
18:41:09 <headsup> jorendc: I don't really want to step in on his bug :)
18:41:47 <jorendc> you don't step in his bugs :-). I think I just can't reproduce because he don't use Windows
18:42:15 <jorendc> headsup: he only marked a bug as duplicate :p. I think he didn't do anything more
18:42:27 <jorendc> headsup: and if so, he wouldn't mind (and if he mind, that's my bad :D)
18:44:44 <jmadero> headsup: go ahead and mark it as NEW ;)
18:44:54 <jmadero> jorendc headsup: morning to both of you
18:45:02 <jorendc> good morning jmadero :D
18:45:05 <jmadero> taking the weekend away from LibreOffice for the most part, going to spend the day with my in laws
18:45:13 <jmadero> but I updated the room topic
18:45:20 <jorendc> I saw that jmadero :-)
18:45:29 <jmadero> so what's new about it? I didn't click on it
18:45:35 <jorendc> good to hear. You diserve a break :o
18:45:36 <jmadero> headsup: thanks for the update on the topic :-D
18:45:39 <jmadero> does that include RC3?
18:45:44 <jorendc> jmadero: yse
18:45:46 <jorendc> yes*
18:45:48 <jmadero> sweet
18:45:58 <jmadero> the devs fixed the samba issue so no blocker :-D
18:46:04 <jmadero> jorendc: you fixed a bug?
18:46:20 <jorendc> no :(... false positive
18:46:22 <headsup> jmadero: good morning
18:46:54 <jmadero> ah, that's okay
18:47:37 <jorendc> but I know where the fault is ... but can't find a solution yet (don't know what possible functions I can use)
18:47:50 <jorendc> so I need more research on that :p
18:48:02 <headsup> jmadero: just read your comments above re 59612 - ok
18:48:08 <jorendc> jmadero: you mind headsup set bug fdo#59612 to NEW because he can reproduce?
18:48:12 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED UI: Wrong file name in top window bar https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59612
18:48:32 <jmadero> not at all
18:48:36 <jorendc> headsup is scared of you :-) (nono, just kidding)
18:48:40 <jmadero> lol
18:48:56 <jmadero> I have not yet acquired the ability to reach through a computer screen ;)
18:49:04 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: lol
18:49:17 <jorendc> :D see, no need to worry :D
18:49:41 <jorendc> except if he comes to Europe ... then i'll mind my steps :D
18:49:42 <jorendc> ;-)
18:49:53 <headsup> jmadero: just wondered now that rc 3 is out should we stop testing against rc2 and just test all against rc 3?
18:50:15 <headsup> jmadero: execpt for regressions
18:50:57 <jorendc> headsup: I think it's easier to handle 4.0 bugs with priority (in general)
18:51:19 <jorendc> headsup: if there are nog 4.0 bugs anymore you can reproduce or so, feel free to have a look at the other unconfirmed
18:51:40 <jorendc> there is not that much changed between RC2 and RC3
18:52:03 <jorendc> so, most bugs that are reported agains RC3 will probably reproducible with RC2
18:52:03 <headsup> jorendc: maybe my q was not well phrased.
18:52:16 <jorendc> ooh, I see
18:52:19 <jorendc> sorry headsup :D
18:52:28 <jorendc> the answer is yes :-)
18:52:44 <jmadero> headsup: agreed yes, I test everything against master
18:52:50 <jorendc> indeed
18:53:05 <headsup> jmadero: if a bug is reported as 4.0.0.0 mor 4.0.0.2 should we just anyway test against 4.0.0.3 and not bother about testing on previous rc's?
18:53:09 <jmadero> if it works for you on RC3 and the bug is reported against RC2, mark as WFM and ask the reporter to upgrade to RC3 as a lot of patches were done
18:53:33 <jmadero> and then tell the reporter that if it's still an issue for them on RC3, to reopen the bug
18:53:43 <headsup> jmadero: ok that's what i thought, thanks
18:53:47 <jmadero> no need to test anything against old releases, no point really, best to see how it functions on todays release
18:53:49 <jorendc> agreed with the method of jmadero ^^
18:54:02 <headsup> jmadero: that will save a lot of time :)
18:54:04 <jorendc> I closed yesterday 4 bugs because it was just an outdated version :)
18:54:32 <jmadero> headsup: yeah, some users may get annoyed but just thank them for their patience
18:54:45 <jmadero> then if they are inpatient, they look like buffoons
18:55:18 <headsup> jmadero: ok
18:55:43 <headsup> jorendc: your a star biggrin
18:56:00 <jmadero> pulling todays list...
18:56:36 <jorendc> headsup: ... thanks I think :D Don't know really what 'biggrin' means :s (sorry for my lack of English)
18:56:45 <jmadero> (I don't know either)
18:56:46 <jmadero> ;)
18:57:26 <headsup> jorendc: is just a big smile!
18:57:43 <jorendc> ooh ok :-) :'-) haha
18:58:03 <jorendc> I'm not a star... I just use an 'up to date' version of LibreOffice :')
18:58:25 <headsup> jmadero: I will mark 59612 as trivial / blow as I don't see that impacts functionaility
18:58:53 <headsup> jmadero: *low
18:59:15 <headsup> jmadero: or maybe it should be blow :)
18:59:40 <jmadero> headsup: if it's a regression, always pump it up at least 1
19:00:01 <jmadero> for this one I would say minor - medium probably, only because it's a regression
19:00:09 <jmadero> headsup: and make sure to put regression in keywords
19:00:13 <jmadero> so it gets fixed fast
19:00:25 <jmadero> our workflow is really becoming incredible
19:00:32 <jmadero> I give QA a lot of credit for that ;)
19:01:14 <headsup> jmadero: ok, but why is it a regression? it's only reported for 4.0
19:01:56 <jorendc> jmadero: you're a QA member too :)
19:01:57 <jmadero> headsup: ohh, test it against a parallel install of 3.6 if posisble
19:02:27 <headsup> jmadero: having said that I haven't checked 3.6
19:02:56 <jmadero> headsup: yeah for 4.0 bugs we look for regressions as often as possible
19:03:05 <jmadero> for previous bugs, we can't always test against older releases
19:03:10 <jmadero> regressions usually get fixed in less than 48 hours
19:03:11 <headsup> jmadero: ok, will do - jorendc shared a link with me on parallel so I have about 4 verions now
19:03:42 <jmadero> headsup: lol I have 2 ;)
19:03:47 <jmadero> but bibisect is like 130 versions
19:03:48 <jmadero> :)
19:03:49 <jorendc> headsup: /*come to the linux side... we have bibisect*/
19:04:00 <jorendc> ;-)
19:04:26 <headsup> jorendc: lol
19:05:18 <jorendc> :D
19:06:17 <jmadero> jorendc: my bibisect 3.6 is still completely borked
19:06:26 <jorendc> mmh :s
19:06:43 <jmadero> drum roll......
19:06:48 <jmadero> our unconfirmed bug count is....
19:06:48 <jmadero> DOWN
19:06:54 <jorendc> *bedum TSSSSH*
19:07:02 <jorendc> I can confirm that :D
19:08:17 <jorendc> past 4 days: 1401, 1405, 1402, 1399 with my 'manually' stats :p
19:08:44 <jmadero> I have 1394 right now
19:08:44 <jorendc> and now we're on 1396 if I'm correct
19:08:52 <jorendc> oh :p
19:08:55 <jmadero> from my pull 5 minutes ago
19:08:59 <jmadero> maybe 2 more have been added
19:09:00 <jmadero> ;)
19:09:05 <jorendc> probably :d
19:11:19 <headsup> jmadero: 59162 is a regression!
19:11:34 <jmadero> headsup: good stuff, mark as such
19:11:40 <jmadero> too bad can't bibisect it
19:11:41 <headsup> ok
19:12:18 <headsup> jmadero: bibisect - that sounds like a painful operation to me ;-)
19:12:29 <jmadero> hahaha
19:12:40 <jorendc> lol... it's just so easy :-)
19:12:50 <jorendc> but I agree with the name xD
19:18:09 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: what can we do about critcal bug  fdo#59710
19:18:13 <IZBot> LibreOffice-sdk critical/high UNCONFIRMED : CLI bridge (.NET) if both OOo 2.4.0 (and above?) and LibreOffice (any version) are installed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59710
19:18:22 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: it would  be good to get it off the list
19:18:55 <jorendc> yes that'll be nice... but euh ... CLI bridge /ERROR/ :p
19:19:07 * jorendc don't know anything about CLI
19:19:52 <jorendc> headsup: I think we need to ping a dev for that one ...
19:20:16 <jorendc> setting up that kind of bridges isn't euh ... for common end users :p
19:20:35 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: I think someone already has! - jmadero :)
19:21:10 <jorendc> yes I saw that comment :-)
19:21:10 <headsup> jmadero: can it be marked new and the dev mark it as wontfix or whatever?
19:21:40 <jmadero> I had mixed feelings, moggi told me just to mark it as WONTFIX but....I wasn't sure what to say
19:22:49 <headsup> jmadero: they don't want to mark it? :) eitherway it looks bad to have a critical on the list for so long imho
19:23:48 <headsup> jmadero: if it is wontfix there may have to be advice to the user on install or in the readme
19:24:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60198] FORMATTING: Date formatting from csv files || [Bug 60199] Opening encrypted file changes workspaces
19:27:26 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: another one high on the list is fdo#57464
19:27:28 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED RTF Copying across paragraphs creates broken ANSI content https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57464
19:28:09 <jorendc> headsup: we are aware that's still on the list
19:28:21 <jorendc> jmadero and I already breaks our head on it
19:28:32 <jorendc> headsup: maybe you can have a try?
19:28:36 <headsup> jorendc: can I help maybe?
19:28:43 <jorendc> yeah, please
19:28:50 <jorendc> that'll be awesome ...
19:28:51 <jmadero> headsup: be....aware
19:28:59 <jmadero> headsup: that Urmas is difficult
19:29:27 <jorendc> agreed :)
19:29:32 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: ok I couldn't quite figure what was going on, and the fact it's russian doesn't help
19:29:50 <jorendc> haha :p no it doens't help indeed
19:30:00 <jorendc> I think we need miklos for that one
19:30:10 <jmadero> kohei was able to reproduce it once, then tried again and it failed
19:30:17 <jmadero> he said you can't be using English characters
19:30:25 <jmadero> and you have to add text, then copy paste in some way
19:30:30 <jmadero> but he couldn't figure out how or what went wrong
19:30:35 <jmadero> and when he tried to repeat, he couldn't
19:30:39 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: ok i'll have a look with my trusty w8 pc ;-
19:30:42 <headsup> ;)
19:30:56 <jorendc> lol ... and if even kohei breaks his head on it and don't know ... that's euh ... hard
19:31:00 <jorendc> haha :)
19:39:52 <jorendc> lol ... I just can't find which function is called
19:56:13 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: well I have had a go with 4.0.0.2 and .3 and I can't reproduce it. He mentions that you have to change font
19:56:38 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: which did but still no difference
19:57:08 <jmadero> headsup: leave it, I'll deal with it
19:57:17 <jmadero> he knows me, if he goes off on me, I can deal with it
19:57:24 <jmadero> headsup: thanks for testing
19:57:28 <headsup> jorendc: jmadero: I was going to change status to need more info
19:57:38 <jmadero> headsup: don't, he'll get angry at you
19:57:44 <jorendc> hehe :D he'll like that ...
19:57:46 <jorendc> NOOOOT :D
19:57:46 <jmadero> if he gets angry at me, I know what to do
19:58:09 <jmadero> headsup: I'll do it right now
19:58:17 <jorendc> jmadero: watch the russian maffia ;-)
19:58:29 <jmadero> seriously
19:58:34 <headsup> jmadero: I really don't mind. if you want to get back to him fine. I have a screen shot of multiple paras
19:58:55 <headsup> jmadero: his instructions are not that clear
19:59:15 <jorendc> we know ... but don't try to explain him that headsup ... :p
20:00:09 <headsup> there is no point in him getting upset. if he want's it fixed he'll have to show how to replicate
20:00:22 <jmadero> he becomes a real ass, let me leave a comment first, you can follow up with your attachment
20:00:24 <jmadero> (s)
20:00:42 <headsup> jmadero: ok
20:00:44 <jmadero> and because I have permissions on FDO, if he belittles me, I can deal with it
20:00:49 <jorendc> Agreed with jmadero
20:01:22 <headsup> jorendc: how do u do those things like wave / agreed / etc?
20:01:45 <jorendc> hehe :) Just place '/me' before your text
20:01:59 <jorendc> (without quotes: '/me <text>')
20:02:00 <headsup> jorendc: is it a special feature of your irc client?
20:02:24 <headsup> jorendc: ah i see
20:02:25 <jmadero> headsup: okay changed it, go for it
20:02:26 <jorendc> no... but that 'agreed' is not a 'function' ... I just type it :p
20:02:44 <headsup> jorendc: duh !
20:02:46 <jorendc> lol ... urmass
20:02:48 <jorendc> ;-)
20:03:02 <jmadero> I tried being friendly
20:03:08 <jmadero> if he responds with hostility, bring it on ;)
20:03:42 <jmadero> I might have exaggerated a bit, maybe it was 2 devs and 3 QA people
20:04:23 <jorendc> lol, he wouldn't mind that :')
20:04:31 <jorendc> but that's indeed a nice and friendly message
20:04:56 <jorendc> I agree would agree with an IP block forever if he get angry with that
20:05:05 <jorendc> I would agree*
20:05:18 <jmadero> lol
20:12:50 <headsup> jmadero: jorendc: well I added my comments. i don't see any problem - we keep it civil, hopefully he will, he can see that we have tried, what more can we do?
20:13:13 <jorendc> headsup: that's right :
20:13:14 <jorendc> :)
20:19:35 <headsup> jorendc: I am just working down the list and I notice that fdo#58805 is windows. can I help with that one or do you have that in hand?
20:19:39 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium REOPENED Report builder: Wrong date and time in report page header footer https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805
20:20:19 <jorendc> good question headsup
20:20:32 <jorendc> I couldn't test that bug, because of another bug
20:20:43 <jorendc> see fdo#58371
20:20:46 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium NEW REPORTBUILDER: Crash when opening report of attachment fdo#48056 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58371
20:22:00 <headsup> jorendc: oh that doesn't look good
20:22:59 <headsup> jorendc: that's linux so I can't help u with that i'm afraid
20:23:29 <jorendc> headsup: but feel free to try to reproduce that bug (fdo#58805)
20:23:51 <jorendc> headsup: the more test the better
20:24:35 <headsup> jorendc: ok,  there are a lot of comments in that report!
20:37:48 * jmadero off to in laws
20:37:57 <jmadero> take it easy to both of you :)
20:39:36 <jorendc> sure jmadero :)
20:39:40 <jorendc> have a nice day!
20:39:44 <jmadero> ditto!
20:39:57 <jorendc> :) thnx
20:40:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Properties Window
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21:36:59 <headsup> jorendc: ok, that took quite a while but I finally confirmed that 58805 is a bug on windows.
21:37:15 <jorendc> fdo#58805
21:37:18 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Database normal/medium NEW Report builder: Wrong date and time in report page header footer https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58805
21:37:21 <jorendc> nice :D
21:39:36 <headsup> I am going to take a break now. I need a drink :)
21:39:57 <headsup> jorendc: see you tomorrow perhaps.
21:40:10 <jorendc> oh ok. Sure, have a nice time headsup
21:40:14 <jorendc> tomorrow i'll not be around here
21:40:19 <jorendc> I'm going to FOSDEM :)
21:40:27 <jorendc> and after that I'm going to my gf
21:40:49 <headsup> jorendc: ok well have a great time! ;)
21:40:52 <jorendc> but I'll see you for sure :)
21:40:56 <jorendc> thanks headsup
21:40:57 <jorendc> bye
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23:10:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [UFC] UFC 156 Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar Live Stream Online Free
23:13:22 <colonelqubit> quiet in here
23:26:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60205] VIEWING: Multi-column 1-page .doc file which doesn't display correctly in LibreOffice
23:41:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Base is not giving me the option to add vertical scrollbar to a memo field?
00:27:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60206] VIEWING: Text-animation shows line-by-line instead of bullet point-by-point || [Bug 60207] Cannot submit a bug || [Bug 60208] FILTER / UI / VIEWING : Using autofilter, when filtering, merged cells related to row not drawn (second result onwards)
01:43:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to keep colored font with "Show changes" on? || Counting Paragraphs in LIbreOffice on Mint
02:01:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60210] : crash at start up
02:13:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Would like to run LibreOffice Base without Java on system. Any way to do this?
04:04:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60211] EDITING: Spell check
05:36:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60213] UI: When undock Task Pane the right-click on Layouts not working well
06:45:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Data Multiple Operations
07:35:27 <colonelqubit> jmadero: feature requests
07:35:38 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what feature
07:35:42 <colonelqubit> any feature
07:35:55 <colonelqubit> someone mentioned "(just start the "bug report" with the tag [Feature request] )"
07:36:17 <colonelqubit> that's not quite what I remember...
07:36:30 <jmadero> no no, bad idea
07:36:35 <jmadero> you set status as Enhancement
07:36:41 <jmadero> priority*
07:36:55 <colonelqubit> that sounds closer
07:37:20 <jmadero> I mean the [Feature Request]...QA would know to change it, but it's better if they just do it
07:37:35 <colonelqubit> certainly.
07:37:48 <jmadero> plus then QA has to edit the title once we set it
07:37:54 <jmadero> because it's redundant
07:38:04 <colonelqubit> if we send users from the Ask site your way, I'd like to make your work as clear as possible
07:38:09 <colonelqubit> and easy
07:43:43 <jmadero> yeah just setting it as enhancement
07:43:50 <jmadero> and trying to be realistic about the importance of their request
07:43:54 <jmadero> so they can set it as Highest - Lowest
07:46:33 <colonelqubit> in terms of priority?
07:46:43 <colonelqubit> so you do want the user to try to set priority?
07:48:33 <jmadero> they are "allowed" to try, they should try to justify their opinion shortly (like, "this seems really easy to do and it would affect a lot of users, therefore setting as HIGH"
07:48:34 <jmadero> )
07:48:43 <jmadero> or they can leave as default, their choice
07:50:09 <colonelqubit> Hmm... okay. I think that it would be easiest for most people to use the default
07:50:28 <colonelqubit> at least of the people who I ask to resubmit a Question as a bug report
07:50:37 <jmadero> yeah that's good
08:08:33 <CorNouws> good morning !
08:11:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60215] FILEOPEN: Currency format lost on close and open
08:15:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Getting the XML ...
08:35:16 <pje335_NL> /msg NickServ identify thomas
08:35:21 <pje335_NL> wtf?
08:39:40 <jmadero> pje335_NL: changing your name?
08:40:26 <jmadero> "/nick"
08:43:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60215] FILEOPEN: Complete Currency FORMATTING VIEWING needs recalculation
08:45:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I call a DLL function with an array as an argument? || Why is tllo.dll missing after installation? || How can I open a .ppt file from e-mail directly? || HELP!: Issue opening recently saved ppt docs :( || google chrome version
08:48:08 <CorNouws> jmadero: thanks for your suggestions for the QA Presentation :-)
08:48:22 <CorNouws> jmadero: great help - nearly finished preparing...
08:48:33 <jmadero> CorNouws: great news :-D
08:48:51 <jmadero> if you can send me the presentation I"d love to see it when you're done
08:49:01 <CorNouws> jmadero: yep of course!
08:49:20 <jmadero> CorNouws: thanks again for tackling it
08:49:45 <CorNouws> jmadero:  my pleasure - but you make take it next year ;-)
08:49:54 <CorNouws> jmadero: By the way: will meet Joren too at FOSDEM
08:51:09 <jmadero> CorNouws: I heard, great news
08:51:19 <jmadero> our QA team needs about 10 more people, going to start the search soon
08:51:25 <jmadero> joren has been fantastic
08:55:04 <ertai> joren is here already
08:56:28 <moggi> ertai: where?
08:58:11 <ertai> next to me near the back of the dev-room
08:59:02 <jmadero> ah you guys are already at FOSDEM
08:59:03 <jmadero> lucky haha
08:59:11 <ertai> yes
08:59:32 <jmadero> I've decided that I am in no way a programmer at heart, I'm about to throw something through a window over this f'ing bug ;)
09:00:24 <moggi> CorNouws: just to remind you, you should be here in 10 minutes
09:01:49 * CorNouws people should not disturb me when I prepare my presentation :-)
09:02:02 <CorNouws> moggi: thanks for the note ;-)
09:02:24 <jmadero> with that, I'm off to bed, 1am here
09:02:27 <jmadero> good luck to you all
09:02:31 <ertai> good night
09:15:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Copy from chart to chart || How can I expand a chart's data range? || my Excel file looks weird in LibreOffice 3.6.4 and 4.0 beta || changing of layout of stacked column charts
09:44:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60207] BUGZILLAASSISTANT will not launch step 4
09:46:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Saving large xls file to ods
10:16:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: mathtype equation got “general OLE error” || Does LO support RTF \field SYMBOL tag?
10:46:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: mathtype equation got "General OLE error"
11:14:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60218] undefined: Insert "Movie and Sound...": cannot save text Wrap settings. || [Bug 60217] error message limited to a dot when mysql native connector is used
11:45:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60220] Sheets || [Bug 60218] FILESAVE: Insert "Movie and Sound...": cannot save text Wrap settings. || [Bug 60219] Replacement fro not existing characters in font set broken. || [Bug 60221] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: sent me to the CC list || [Bug 60222] Customize toolbar UI Description crash || [Bug 60223] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: list of related bugs no related
11:46:27 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why isn't my formula =SUM(B9:M9) not accepted for a new row of numbers?
12:46:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to display full file path in window title?
12:46:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60225] Extensionname: test
13:18:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60226] Check for ALL EXTENSIONS update causes error message
13:50:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60228] VIEWING: Inserted videos don't play in Mac OS X - produce big question mark and when played audeo plays not video.
14:21:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60229] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: BUGZILLAASSISTANT doesn't work using Safari! You get message saying Bugzilla is uaavailabe pease try later. || [Bug 60230] Wrong function displayed when using Function list. || [Bug 60231] List of functions doubled each time one is double clicked in the Function list The last used Category
14:53:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60232] undefined: bibliography database update || [Bug 60233] SLIDESHOW: Vector graphics that looks fine in editing is very very bad in slideshow || [Bug 60234] EDITING: embedded bmp object not shown || [Bug 60237] : Bug in API call StoreAsURL (or in the OO Basic API description)
15:17:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to Watch Super Bowl 2013: When and Where to Watch Ravens vs 49ers Online
15:47:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: export of FreeMind mindmaps into writer
16:27:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60239] EDITING forms to change data source (PostgreSQL) || [Bug 60219] Replacement for not existing characters in font set broken. || [Bug 60240] FILESAVE causes lots of artifacts and destroys VIEWING for embedded .svg
16:57:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60242] TABLE: Split cell default choice
17:17:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Speech recognition software that works with LibreOffice (not Dragon)?
17:27:20 <colonelqubit> Did the urls for the FAQ change?
17:28:00 <colonelqubit> hmm
17:47:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Change address in letter template for Writer || Base faults without JRE why is it not included with downloads?
17:59:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60244] Unique random number generator function || [Bug 60245] Autocomplete in functions
18:18:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: clipboard in document view || Tab stability in document || PDF forms and nonstandard fonts
18:29:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60246] spelling dictionary
18:59:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60247] VIEWING: Scroll Sidebar sometimes does not work
19:22:01 <colonelqubit> jmadero: question about reading bug reports
19:30:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60249] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: additional LibreOffice sub-component ACCESSIBILITY || [Bug 60250] embedded calc-sheets are printed uncorrect
19:48:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Sort dialog box won't open
19:48:53 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what's up, sorry was doing some house cleaning
20:01:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60251] ACCESSIBILITY: Tracking Metabug for Windows OS accessibility and AT issues
20:12:31 <colonelqubit> jmadero: I'm reading through some bug reports and I'm trying to figure out how best to figure out current status
20:13:13 <colonelqubit> I'll have to go find the link, but in one of them it looked like the bug showed up in 3.3, bug was worksforme in 4.0, but bug was still marked as NEW
20:14:30 <colonelqubit> Most of the relevant information was structured at the top, but the info about 4.0 appearing to work was buried in the comments
20:15:59 <jorendc> hi jmadero :)
20:16:03 <jmadero> jorendc: hey there
20:16:22 <jmadero> colonelqubit: if it works for 4.0, reported against 3.3, I'd mark as RESOLVED - WORKSFORME
20:16:24 <jorendc> :) back from fosdem :)
20:16:31 <jmadero> niiice, how was it?
20:17:10 <jmadero> colonelqubit: leave a comment saying "this seems to be working in newer releases, please test against a more recent stable release, if you still see the problem, reopen but bug as NEW and leave a comment about what version you tested against"
20:17:19 <jorendc> superb :o realy met nice people
20:17:33 <jmadero> how was the QA presentation?
20:17:39 <jorendc> like moggi, cor nouws, italo etc :)
20:17:51 <jorendc> cor nouws did great :)!
20:17:57 <jmadero> sweet
20:18:08 <jorendc> yeah it was cool
20:18:19 <jmadero> perhaps next year I'll make it :-/
20:18:22 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Okay, cool. I often just don't know enough about the standard triaging/workflow of qa to figure out how much I may insinuate myself into dealing with bug reports
20:19:03 <jmadero> colonelqubit: we're just now really establishing protocols, but basically if a bug if fixed in a new release after an older release has ended its functional "life", we're not going to backport the fix
20:19:18 <jmadero> so 3.5 is now dead, fixes that comes out in 3.6 and 4.0 will never be applied to 3.5
20:19:42 <jorendc> jmadero: I pinged Miklos at fosdem about that bug reported by urmas
20:19:54 <jmadero> jorendc: he have an opinion?
20:19:55 <jorendc> he couldn't reproduce
20:19:58 <jmadero> lol
20:20:03 <jmadero> our expert couldn't reproduce
20:20:07 <jorendc> zo he asked step by step walkthrough
20:20:14 <jorendc> so*
20:20:30 <jmadero> I've asked 3 times now for a walkthrough, Urmas doens't get it
20:20:37 <jmadero> he gives these generic "copy something, change somehing, paste something"
20:21:14 <jorendc> lol, and apparently I'm also an UI-transition member ... following mmeeks presentation xD
20:21:24 <jmadero> jorendc: lol
20:21:35 <jorendc> but I was listed in QA member list :p
20:21:44 <jmadero> ;)
20:21:55 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL. thanks again for bringing me home
20:22:07 <jorendc> I do appreciate that
20:22:11 <colonelqubit> jmadero: So if I understand correctly, if a user reports a bug in 3.3 today, and we can repro in 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, and worksforme in 4.0, we mark the bug as RESOLVE - WORKSFORME
20:22:24 <jmadero> colonelqubit: exactly
20:22:30 <colonelqubit> (with a comment to that effect)
20:22:32 <colonelqubit> but what happens to 3.6?
20:22:34 <jmadero> colonelqubit: unless we know of a specific fix that was committed pertaining to it
20:22:42 <jmadero> then we mark as RESOLVED - FIXED
20:23:03 <colonelqubit> gotcha. We don't know what fixed it, so we just push the working stable release
20:23:05 <jmadero> colonelqubit: hm, if one of those come up, bring it up and we'll talk about specific
20:23:15 <colonelqubit> okay
20:23:22 <jmadero> colonelqubit: if it's really important, we'll backport it to 3.6
20:23:36 <jmadero> but maybe the fix was only possible because of 50 other patches that were applied to 4.0
20:23:47 <colonelqubit> perhaps in this case, the issue was that 4.0 wasn't released yet (this might have been back in RC1 days, or prior)
20:24:04 <jmadero> 4.0 still isn't released
20:24:09 <jmadero> it's RC3
20:24:20 <colonelqubit> and so giving someone a 4.0 build wasn't considered "kosher"
20:24:25 * colonelqubit knows
20:24:35 <jmadero> yeah, I wouldn't close it as WFM for RC3 if it's confirmed on 3.6
20:24:48 <colonelqubit> I mean, 4.0 wasn't released at the time (and it still hasn't been! :-)
20:24:51 <jmadero> I'd say "it works on RC3, please test when 4.0 stable comes out, if it works, please close the bug as WFM"
20:25:28 <jorendc> ^^agreed with jmadero
20:25:32 <ertai_NL> jorendc: np
20:25:42 <colonelqubit> okay, good to know all of these nuances so I don't go do something stupid in the bugtracker...
20:25:51 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I do plenty of stupid things ;)
20:25:52 <jmadero> haha
20:26:03 <jmadero> I close too man bugs that WFM and then 3 other QA people can confirm it
20:26:04 <jmadero> lol
20:26:08 <jorendc> ertai_NL: it was very nice to meet you :)
20:26:09 <jmadero> many*
20:27:18 <jmadero> colonelqubit: thanks for helping out with FDO management
20:27:56 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Sure, but it working for you is just your honest experience. If I flub on protocol, I just look noobish :-)
20:28:31 <colonelqubit> I'll do what I can.
20:28:49 <jmadero> colonelqubit: we all try to :) we need couple hundred more people who do what they can do
20:29:16 <colonelqubit> we'll want to talk more about workflow integration
20:29:34 <colonelqubit> everyday we get bugs/feature requests on the Ask site
20:30:31 <colonelqubit> Sometimes people will say "I filed a bug about X, but I have a presentation tomorrow. Suggestions for a workaround?"
20:32:42 <jorendc> jmadero: just a question. any stats-news :D /*me is shaking because of the lack of stats*/
20:33:00 <colonelqubit> It could be a useful question, especially if the bug isn't fixed for some time, but there's no integration with bugzilla, so it's just us mods manually checking to see if a bug is fixed so we can close-out those types of q's.
20:33:22 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Maybe you're just hungry?
20:33:53 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no possibility ... I just ate :p
20:34:10 <colonelqubit> lol
20:34:34 <colonelqubit> Saw that your unconfirmed 4.0 bugs are hovering in the 20s
20:34:40 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah we'll talk about how to handle the workflow, once 4.0 is released we'll be able to hammer out some of these things
20:34:51 <jorendc> :s back to 1412 unc bugs :s
20:34:54 <jmadero> jorendc: no stats yet ;) I'll do them this week at work hopefully
20:35:06 <jmadero> lunch time for me now :-D
20:35:15 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :). no stress!
20:35:16 <jmadero> superbowl today as well
20:35:24 <jmadero> but I should be back and forth
20:35:24 <jorendc> oh really?
20:35:42 <jmader_hungry> yeah, I don't really care that much about it
20:35:43 <jorendc> good advertising :p?
20:35:45 <jmader_hungry> but going to a friends to watch it
20:35:49 <colonelqubit> jorendc: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2013/02/food_stadiums_super_bowl_football_best_top_awesome_disgusting.php
20:36:06 <jorendc> colonelqubit: mmmmmmmh
20:37:11 <colonelqubit> Wikipedia told me that Super Bowl Sunday is only 2nd to Thanksgiving in terms of food consumption per day.
20:39:01 <colonelqubit> If LO had an extra $4 million in the advertising budget, we could have gotten a 30-second spot!
20:40:52 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Is docx support some kind of white elephant or something?
20:41:19 <jorendc> colonelqubit: wow... :p 4 mil :o
20:41:30 <jorendc> colonelqubit: euh, what do you mean by white elephant?
20:41:32 <colonelqubit> There seem to be a disproportionate number of q's about problems with it on the Ask site
20:42:05 <colonelqubit> White elephant: As in, a gift that you have to receive, but that you really don't want, and takes a lot of energy/money to support
20:42:18 <jorendc> i think a redirect to the BSA is the good way :)
20:42:31 <jorendc> and ask them to attach the document with that behavior
20:42:52 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Oh, that's what I do...I just see a lot of reports, that's all. Wondering if you had the same experience
20:43:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: sure ... docx is closed-source :p ... but our docx import filter is as far I know better then our doc filter :p
20:44:28 <jorendc> everyone would like to import/export lossless doc(x).... but we can't... only odt format is lossless :)
20:44:47 <jorendc> (saw a presentation about it this morning)
21:00:17 * ertai_NL gives jmadero_hungry some bread and water
21:08:04 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Oh, you think docx support is better than doc?
21:09:11 <jorendc> I'm not sure our docx support is better; I only know that it is relying on newer code then doc
21:09:53 * jorendc waves at headsup
21:10:05 <jorendc> to*
21:10:45 <headsup> jorendc: hi there! weren't you supposed to be somewhere else today?
21:11:38 <jorendc> yes; I'm back from FOSDEM an houre ago; and i'll go tomorrow quite early to my gf :) (not this evening :( )
21:12:26 <headsup> jorendc: ok, how was fodem?
21:12:39 <jorendc> great
21:12:51 <jorendc> I met very interesting and kind people :)
21:13:16 <jorendc> also very interesting presentations
21:13:27 <headsup> jorendc: that great. learn much?
21:13:56 <jorendc> learned not that much ... but I have a better background now :)
21:14:21 <jorendc> but I learned although a lot from things in the background :)
21:16:04 <ertai_NL> fosdem was great
21:16:11 <headsup> jorendc: just meeting folks must be very helpful
21:16:36 <jorendc> yeah indeed
21:16:45 <jorendc> and also very interesting and some insights etc
21:17:02 <jorendc> and just see 'faces' instead of IRC-names :)
21:17:06 <jorendc> (or mailinglist names)
21:18:19 <headsup> jorendc: yep, i am sure that will help alot - makes things alot easier
21:21:10 <headsup> jorendc: just so u know I am working on fdo#60244 now, it's really an ehancement request, not sure if it is really needed but I guess someone else should study and decide that
21:21:22 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet enhancement/medium NEW Unique random number generator function https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60244
21:23:00 <jorendc> headsup: I already marked it as such :p
21:23:12 <jorendc> no need for further handling
21:23:22 <headsup> jorendc: oh - ok. that's good
21:23:30 <headsup> jorendc: :)
21:23:42 <jorendc> headsup: 2013-02-03 20:35:16 UTC  :D
21:23:55 * jorendc feels quite fast
21:23:56 <jorendc> :p
21:25:03 <headsup> jorendc: hmm - I had that page open too long, should have reloaded!
21:25:20 <jorendc> haha :D no problem :D
21:25:42 * jorendc lucky luke. faster then his shadow
21:25:59 <headsup> jorendc: :)
21:26:05 <jorendc> ;-)
21:28:43 <headsup> jorendc: your running linux aren't you. if so, could you perhaps look at fdo#60210 as that's linux and so I can do it
21:28:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : crash at start up https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60210
21:30:15 <jorendc> headsup: sure; I'll try
21:30:27 <jorendc> but I already did those steps, so I think I can't reproduce
21:30:53 <headsup> jorendc: i'll try fdo#60234 which is windows
21:30:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: embedded bmp object not shown https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60234
21:31:05 <jorendc> but I'll try again and read the bug report more carefully
21:31:43 <jorendc> (I'm now running mac osx, so I'll start up linux in a moment)
21:32:22 <headsup> jorendc: ok, d u have dual boot or different machines?
21:32:36 <jorendc> different machines
21:33:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60252] : Enhancement || [Bug 60253] Unable to select data for error bars in calc
21:33:10 <jorendc> I've got a dual boot on my macbook (Mac OSX and Windows 7) and a desktop dualboot Windows 7 and Linux Mint
21:33:25 <jorendc> so Mac OSX and Linux Mint are seperate machines :)
21:35:06 <headsup> jorendc: is linux easy to use? i have only played with it once or twice
21:35:30 <jorendc> yeah, very easy
21:35:50 <jorendc> I think I only needed a week to be familiar with it
21:36:19 <jorendc> don't expect a 'free duplicate of windows'... That's not the definition of Linux :-)
21:36:45 <jorendc> some things are different, but I can do everything with a Linux pc I can do using windows
21:37:19 <jorendc> so why buying a close-source OS ... if you just can use a free OS with a better stability and resource use
21:38:47 <colonelqubit> for a number of my clients, they only reason they need to have a Windows machine around is for random bespoke utilities
21:39:03 <colonelqubit> like something for controlling/configuring a machine they purchased
21:39:32 <colonelqubit> those SMaRT boards? The control software only runs on Windows.  (etc..)
21:40:18 <headsup> jorendc: colonelqubit: I may try and dual boot this laptop, any recommendations of which flavor of linux to use?
21:41:06 <colonelqubit> Many people feel comfortable w/Ubuntu
21:41:29 <jorendc> headsup: ... difficult to choose for you :). But if you're absolutely not familiar with Linux I can indeed propose Ubuntu or Linux Mint
21:41:55 <jorendc> Linux Mint is just the same as Ubuntu (exactly same code)
21:42:01 <jorendc> but it use another UI
21:42:21 <colonelqubit> depending upon your OS use, it's not really going to matter too much what distro you use. I seem to spend half my time in the browser and the terminal
21:42:49 <colonelqubit> sometimes they let me outside to play...
21:42:52 <jorendc> headsup: I agree with colonelqubit :)
21:42:53 <colonelqubit> :P
21:43:00 <jorendc> haha
21:43:26 <headsup> jorendc: colonelqubit: ok thanks for the recomendations, I'll readup on ubuntu
21:43:42 <colonelqubit> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57519
21:43:46 <IZBot> bug 57519: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Cell wrap does not function automatically once column width is reduced
21:44:11 <colonelqubit> So if horst can confirm, should that be marked as NEW?
21:44:37 <jorendc> headsup: you also can search some flavours: Unity, Cinammon, KDE, ... just type it in a search engine, look at some screenshots :) and base you choise on what you see :p
21:44:54 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you're right
21:45:25 <colonelqubit> ok. Should I make a comment to that effect, or just change the status?
21:45:29 <jorendc> in that case I just'll reply Horst, and say something like 'I mark this as new because you already confirm this behavior'
21:45:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ^^
21:45:48 <jorendc> but it might be useful to try to reproduce
21:46:00 <colonelqubit> I see my telepathy works..
21:46:21 <jorendc> this is reported against 3.6.3 ... a test with LibreOffice 4.0 might be useful
21:46:50 <jorendc> if you can't reproduce this behavior; you can set it to 'NEEDINFO' and ask the reporter to do a retest with 4.0
21:47:06 <colonelqubit> gotcha.
21:47:07 <jorendc> (currently in RC3, but'll be normally released next week)
21:47:18 <headsup> jorendc: ok thanks for the tip, i didn't realise the difference were mostly UI
21:47:44 <jorendc> headsup: not all is UI, some distro's have added/delete some things under the hood
21:47:45 <colonelqubit> I mean, given the scarcity of resources in QA, I figured you'd just mark it NEW with that comment
21:48:20 <jorendc> headsup: but Linux Mint, Bondhi (-> jmadero_hungry use this OS) etc are all 'forks' of Ubuntu ...
21:48:36 <jorendc> yeah indeed colonelqubit :-)
21:48:54 <colonelqubit> I think that someone made a Ponybuntu remix once (My Little Pony version of Ubuntu)
21:49:13 <headsup> colonelqubit: lol
21:49:15 <jorendc> I also see that comments passing by... I just try to reproduce with 4.0, if I can't set as NEEDINFO, if I can, just set it as new (in a reply to the testers comment)
21:49:32 <jorendc> colonelqubit: lol
21:49:50 <colonelqubit> totally couldn't get that content into the main repos (copyrighted, for one..), but it was funny. I think they even printed up some DVDs
21:51:08 <colonelqubit> I could totally imagine someone like Toys R Us trying to sell a branded distro
21:53:15 <jorendc> lol
21:54:00 <headsup> colonelqubit: the one u want to get is starbuntu for all starwars fans, may the fork be with u ;)
21:54:12 <colonelqubit> lol
21:55:59 <jorendc> :-')
22:01:32 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you agree that bug is a duplicate of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47258
22:01:35 <IZBot> bug 47258: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium NEW VIEWING: Text not wrapped in cells with alignment set to 'wrap'
22:11:07 <colonelqubit> hmm
22:12:00 <colonelqubit> with 47258, it sounds like updating the cell (e.g. changing width) doesn't have an effect
22:12:37 <colonelqubit> with 57519, it sounds like updating the cell (e.g. right-clicking on it) DOES have an effect
22:12:49 <colonelqubit> sorry, I got those #'s backwards
22:13:11 * jorendc reading again
22:17:03 <jorendc> ok; I just marked it as NEW... and try to retest in 4.0
22:17:12 <jorendc> don't have the time to find out whether I can reproduce or not :)
22:19:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Cumulative word count in footer || how do i set up a default email program to send slide
22:26:23 <colonelqubit> jorendc: I'll be afk for a while
22:26:31 * colonelqubit heads towards the chuck wagon
22:27:26 <jorendc> sure
22:27:51 <jorendc> :-) I might be offline when you be back
22:27:57 <jorendc> if so: bye colonelqubit :)
22:34:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60252] Add a Clipboard Manager to manage multiple copy/paste || [Bug 60255] UI elements do not adhere to OSX styling
22:38:11 <jorendc> everything ok headsup :)?
22:39:02 <headsup> jorendc: yeh, just took me a while to check that last bug report, I couldn't replcate it
22:39:27 <jorendc> oh ok :)
22:39:29 <jorendc> which one headsup ?
22:40:13 <headsup> fdo#60234
22:40:17 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: embedded bmp object not shown https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60234
22:42:27 <headsup> taking fdo#60187
22:42:29 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Second header deleted when converting to docx https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60187
22:43:20 <jorendc> oh, I also looked at 60234; Can't reproduce that behavior by importing that bmp and save it again
22:47:32 <headsup> jorendc: well I did say I was going to do that one, but glad to here you got the same result  :)
22:47:57 <headsup> jorendc: I am working on 60187 now
22:48:00 <jorendc> :) headsup you've done a great job
22:48:03 <jorendc> superb
22:48:20 <jorendc> headsup: I opened that bug report, try to reproduce it, but didn't left a comment yet :-).
22:48:51 <jorendc> So I now tagged that bug as RESOLVED WFM and left also a comment based I fully agree with your comment
22:49:05 <jorendc> you did a great job there :)
22:49:28 <headsup> jorendc: thanks  smileglasses
22:49:54 <jorendc> :)
22:52:04 <headsup> fdo#60188is made for you - Mac OSX !  :)
22:52:07 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Converting to .docx Changes Indentation on Bullets https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60188
22:53:47 <jorendc> haha :)
22:53:49 <jorendc> I'll have a look
22:53:52 <jorendc> thanks headsup
22:55:59 <jorendc> headsup: is it possible to test this bug as well in Windows?
22:57:05 <headsup> jorendc: sure, I can do that if u want. I am just working through 60187 for the moment
22:57:41 <jorendc> no problem :-). Take your time. But it'll be useful to also test if it's on multiple platform
22:58:11 <jorendc> because I know there were some changes made to the bullet list for Mac OSX ... but to determine this is introduced by that changes, or this is just a bug
23:19:21 <headsup> jorendc: fdo#60187 seems quite serious, a header on page 2 goes missing on conversion to docx and the number of lines on the page changes
23:19:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is it possible to specify CSV filter options on the command line?
23:19:23 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEEDINFO Second header deleted when converting to docx https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60187
23:19:31 <jorendc> headsup: indeed :)
23:19:34 <jorendc> already left a comment on that one
23:19:47 <jorendc> I just create a new bug report
23:20:14 <jorendc> feel free to confirm https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60256
23:20:16 <IZBot> bug 60256: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Same content on first page setting reset when saving to docx
23:20:43 <jorendc> but I got to go now
23:20:57 <jorendc> I need to go tomorrow to my gf quite early :)
23:21:25 <jorendc> headsup: have a nice evening. And thanks for your superb work here
23:21:33 <headsup> jorendc: why are u working on bugs that I already stated I was working on?
23:21:46 <jorendc> haha :D
23:22:02 <jorendc> because of the telephaty :)
23:22:32 <jorendc> good evening/night headsup
23:22:36 <jorendc> take it easy :)
23:22:37 <headsup> jorendc: it seems like a waste of our time if we are replicating effort
23:23:02 <jorendc> nah, I don't see it that way :p
23:37:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60256] Same content on first page setting reset when saving to docx || [Bug 60257] Writer (on Fedora 17, KDE) locks up on copy-paste of webpage with images, must be killed
23:49:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: mailmerge from csv into calc
00:19:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What are the licensing requirements? And would such an application be considered an "Application" or a "Combined Work"?
00:38:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60258] FORMATTING: bullets and numbering
01:40:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60259] : Writer behaves erratically when backwards searching for paragraph breaks || [Bug 60260] Corrupted first headers when editing in 4.0.0.3 an ODT created with a previous version
02:42:18 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60261] Portable
02:50:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Excel and word files
03:20:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Conditional Formating For Multiple Sheets Multiple Cells || Error of Sum Function in Writer
03:50:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Using Functions & Formulas in Database Fields || Checkbox that alters field value in Writer
04:20:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: calc, cell size, number of character
05:20:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Changes happen when I load from saved in Writer
08:21:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Spell checker not working in Writer 3.6.3.2 under Fedora
08:21:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60264] TDF Site: Portable Download hints mention 3.6.4 instead of 3.6.5 as latest version
08:51:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Spell checker in writer 3.6.3.2 under Fedora nor working
09:22:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60265] Document converter wizard fails to find powerpoint files to convert || [Bug 60267] Unreadable text in OS X due to bad font spacing
10:22:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I expand a chart's data range?
10:56:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60268] FORMATTING: Math symbols are not correct displayed under Windows 8
11:22:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Extended mark-up for misspelled words
11:58:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60270] LibreOffice 4.1 most annoying bugs
12:22:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I count number of students whose marks lies between 40 to 50 (say) in a column?
13:32:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60274] libre don't use standard ISO XML - Why ? || [Bug 60275] FILTER: sorting in datapilot
13:52:47 <IZBot> News from asklibo: keeps crashing on mac
14:02:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60278] FILEOPEN: com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeException C:/onegit/package/source/xstor/xstorage.cxx:5088:
14:22:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Hi, Ask Site users! Moderation has been enabled, so your answers and comments will not show up immediately. Thanks!
14:35:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60279] FORMATTING: conditional formatting is deleted as well on key "Delete" || [Bug 60280] PRINTING: TABLE borders, borders around paragraphs and footer, some graphic elements missing || [Bug 60281] Impress Animation severely broken in 4.0.0.3?
14:52:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I make a custom style available in all my documents? || "Read error. An unknown error occurred."
15:23:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I export a clean html file?
15:36:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60282] PRINTING: Lines around fontwork not smooth
16:06:54 <jmadero> pje335_NL: how's it going?
16:07:40 <pje335_NL> ey fine just back from school now whating for the ios 6.1 jailbreak
16:07:44 <pje335_NL> how you doing
16:08:37 <jmadero> pretty good, just made it to work, Mondays always suck ;)
16:10:06 <pje335_NL> yes i does on mondy i need to go from 8:30 to 16:20 to school -,-
16:23:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibO won't connect to remote database using Java Connector
16:28:16 <jmadero> pje335_NL: :) school is better than work hands down, I'm heading back in August
16:29:36 <pje335_NL> school is better wen you have subjecs what you like like math or biologie but i got the lat 80 minits german -,-
16:29:59 <jmadero> haha ouch
16:30:06 <jmadero> it's good to be well balanced though
16:30:51 <pje335_NL> but next yeah i don't got any german any more so i only wast my time and i don't understand it
16:31:55 <jmadero> knowing language is good for business, if you know 3+ languages, you'll be worth a lot more money later in life
16:32:53 <pje335_NL> yes i know but i don;t understand it i can't even make a normal confesation
16:33:26 <pje335_NL> and i got dyslexia so studing thes language is hard and timeconsuming
16:43:47 <jmadero> pje335_NL: maybe you should get in touch with one of the German speakers for LibreOffice
16:43:51 <jmadero> then you can exchange emails
16:43:57 <jmadero> then you're learning as you do something you enjoy
16:53:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Where is the template wizard in Libre Office 4.0.3?
17:07:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60285] PDF: image-shadow not visible in pdf
17:23:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: existing microsoft powerpoint won't transfer to LibrOffice powerpoint
17:38:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60286] FORMATTING: cursive button dont do anything || [Bug 60287] FORMATTING: Freeze when typing Hyperlink into hyperlink dialog box
18:09:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60288] FORMATTING: Insert Field
18:23:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Does LibreOffice make NeoOffice obsolete for Mac users?
18:39:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60289] FILEOPEN: Impress error message when trying to open MSO 97 file
18:53:35 * furuba_girl has a question about triaging bugs: do we test with just the version of LO the bug reporter specifies, or do we use a later version (to see if it's fixed)?
18:53:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Does it work with windows 8 64? || Does it work windows 8 64?
18:54:13 <jmadero> furuba_girl: test against newest stable, or if you're working on 4.0 pre-release, test against latest pre-release (or tinderbox daily)
18:54:44 <jmadero> if someone reports a bug against 3.4, and it seems to work in 3.6 just fine, mark as WORKSFORME and let the reporter know that if it's still an issue on a later release, please reopen the bug
18:55:18 <jmadero> furuba_girl: welcome to the chat by the way, thanks for helping out with triage work
19:01:09 <jmadero> furuba_girl: one other thing, when triaging make sure to spell out LibreOffice, we're trying to move away from acronym LO
19:01:33 <furuba_girl> Okay! Thanks!
19:01:38 <jmadero> sure thing
19:01:48 <jmadero> feel free to ask any question
19:01:58 <ertai_NL> hi all
19:02:30 <ertai_NL> great. more QA-people
19:06:15 <jmadero> ertai_NL: seems like we just keep growing
19:06:28 <ertai_NL> that's good
19:06:38 <jmadero> ertai_NL: yeah, never enough
19:06:46 <jmadero> our bug count isn't growing but it's not shrinking either
19:06:47 <furuba_girl> jmadero: I will think of more questions, I'm sure.  This is my first day on IRC, though.
19:07:02 <jmadero> furuba_girl: this room is quite active so there's usually someone around to help :-D
19:07:36 <jmadero> furuba_girl: if you're going to stick around, don't forget to join the QA mailng list also
19:10:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60290] FILEOPEN: Opening a file changes the directory's modification date
19:10:08 <jmadero> colonelqubit: hey, how's it going
19:11:19 <jmadero> furuba_girl: how'd you hear about QA by the way
19:11:28 <jmadero> FOSDEM?? :-D?
19:11:49 <furuba_girl> FOSDEM?
19:12:02 <jmadero> ah, not fosdem, lol, how'd you hear about the team
19:12:58 <furuba_girl> I was looking for some way to contribute to open source, and I <3 Libre Office.  I had a QA internship, and it was a lot of fun. So, here I am.
19:13:34 <jmadero> perfect, our team has added 3 more people in the past 2-3 weeks so we are growing, you'll quickly see that we could probably triple in size and still have too much on our plates
19:13:59 <furuba_girl> yes, I see. I'm still trying to figure out triaging bugs.
19:14:13 <furuba_girl> What is the best way to help, do you think?
19:14:22 <jmadero> triaging undoubtedly
19:14:27 <jmadero> until we get our backlog taken care of
19:14:35 <jmadero> ~1400 bugs
19:14:46 <jmadero> furuba_girl: you've seen our bug triage wiki page?
19:17:05 <furuba_girl> yes
19:18:27 <jmadero> furuba_girl: what platform are you using?
19:19:05 <pje335_NL> haha jmadero are you expecting more new people?
19:19:18 <jmadero> pje335_NL: absolutely, I actively try to recruit
19:19:37 <jmadero> pje335_NL: I think realistically we need 8-15 "regular triagers" to keep up with demand for our services
19:20:08 <jmadero> pje335_NL: we're having a triage contest, hoping that brings in some new people
19:20:19 <pje335_NL> haha
19:20:38 <pje335_NL> how many do the have on the qa team
19:20:43 <pje335_NL> ?
19:20:57 <jmadero> hm, honestly, Joren and I are working o nthe page to figure that out
19:21:05 <furuba_girl> jmadero: I am using Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. I hope that answered your question.
19:21:09 <jmadero> I'd say 10ish total, but of those, probably 5 regular triagers
19:21:14 <jmadero> furuba_girl: yup :-D
19:40:16 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60291] MAILMERGE: Mail Merge
19:52:07 <colonelqubit> jmadero: oh, hey
20:24:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Restore Windows || LibreOffice startup on Mac gives a POPup which doesn't close.
20:54:27 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Pics disappear from my text document || Where is the template wizard in Libre Office 4.0.0.3? || Can I run LibreOffice on windows 8 64?
21:24:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Where is the template wizard in LibreOffice 4.0.0.3? || Internet access issue with Libreoffice calc
21:37:06 * jorendc waves to everybody
21:40:14 * colonelqubit waves
21:40:45 <colonelqubit> jorendc: I had a q for you, but now I have forgotten...
21:41:07 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
21:41:23 <jorendc> ooh :-). If you remember, feel free
21:41:36 <colonelqubit> oh right, do you have a win8-64 test system?
21:41:48 <colonelqubit> or just info: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11387/can-i-run-libreoffice-on-windows-8-64/
21:42:20 <jorendc> no, but 'headsup' has one
21:43:12 <colonelqubit> hmm. remind me to remind him to get an account on the Ask site
21:43:13 <jorendc> and because he's doing QA work :-)... yes, you can run/install a LibreOffice version on Windows 8
21:43:44 <jorendc> but I don't think there is a 64bit version of LibreOffice (but we have none on every system (if I'm right :) )
21:43:50 <ertai_NL> he jorendc
21:44:11 <jorendc> but that'll not prohibit you to run libreoffice on windows 8 x64 system
21:44:13 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :)
21:44:34 <jorendc> ertai_NL: had a good night back at home :)?
21:44:39 <ertai_NL> yes
21:44:50 <colonelqubit> jorendc: even on 64bit gnu/linux systems?
21:44:56 <ertai_NL> it was early this morning however
21:45:24 <jorendc> yes colonelqubit
21:45:50 <colonelqubit> (yes, we don't?)
21:45:53 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
21:46:19 <jorendc> I only can see a 'fedora' 64 bit ... but I'm not sure that's indeed a 64 bit version of LO
21:47:04 <colonelqubit> hmm... couple of those builds look very stale
21:47:06 <jorendc> but ... nevertelless.. you can use it on 64 bits
21:47:28 <jorendc> yes indeed
21:47:29 <colonelqubit> need some cpr for a buildbot...
21:47:50 <jorendc> hehe :-)
21:48:00 <jorendc> They are aware of that
21:48:21 <jorendc> but I think that's due the RC's and the change of branch
21:48:22 <colonelqubit> cool to see the android builds in there
21:48:38 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ... I can confirm that ... toooo early :p
21:48:55 <colonelqubit> I assume that's just the impressremote stuff for now
21:51:21 <colonelqubit> hmm... LO4Android-debug and LO Document Loader -debug look promising
21:53:12 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
21:54:07 <CorNouws> hi jorendc!
21:54:11 <jorendc> in reply of your email: yes, that's the problem (an email adres with a '+' sign is 'read' as 2 pieces)
21:54:34 <jorendc> CorNouws: that's the man I asked to manual-delete from the mailing lists
21:55:04 <CorNouws> jorendc: yep - understood that - we need a section 'possible problems'on the wiki :-)
21:55:33 <jorendc> colonelqubit: at fosdem I saw a quick preview of that feature (LO Impress remote and LibreOffice Android)
21:55:51 <jorendc> but just half a minute or so :), so not that great
21:55:59 <jorendc> CorNouws: yes indeed;
22:06:07 <jorendc> CorNouws: who did you contact to delete him manual (because, when he still keeps mailing with me next 2 weeks or so, I'll try not to disturb you again but ask the 'responsible' person again
22:06:40 <jorendc> colonelqubit: 1,528 questions ... what :o... you guys are awesome :)
22:08:05 <CorNouws> jorendc: thanks for the offer, but he is unsubcribed now - for sure - we keep the responsible person out of the wind - busy enough too ;-)
22:08:57 <jorendc> CorNouws: I completely understand :-). Thank you very much for your actions (and the responsible person off course too :) )
22:10:58 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Well, we're chewing away at the unanswered q's... they keep on asking new ones, though :P
22:13:37 <jorendc> :p same here at FDO colonelqubit ;-)
22:14:08 <jorendc> but you see that number decreasing ... we see it neutral/increasing ... *sigh*
22:25:23 <colonelqubit> jorendc: When the current mods came on board, the Ask site was really in the weeds
22:25:37 <colonelqubit> with the help of some super-dedicated users, we're turning that around
22:25:57 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I see :o
22:26:06 <jorendc> hi eugene_ :)
22:26:39 <colonelqubit> jorendc: So our first couple of months are going to look really good :-)
22:27:50 <jorendc> indeed :o
22:28:04 <jorendc> maybe you can jump into QA then *poke, poke* :D
22:37:55 <colonelqubit> lol
22:38:16 <jorendc> :D
22:38:17 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Why does html export say "<!--This file was converted to xhtml by OpenOffice.org - see http://xml.openoffice.org/odf2xhtml for more info.-->"
22:38:39 <colonelqubit> 3.5.4.2
22:38:46 <jorendc> colonelqubit: loool :D
22:38:56 <jorendc> mmh, maybe that's why ... 3.5.4.2 ... old :p
22:39:27 <colonelqubit> meh. I don't really do much complicated w/LO
22:39:54 <jorendc> so ask him to reproduce with 3.6.5 or upcoming 4.0
22:40:08 <jorendc> if he still can reproduce, just send him to FDO :p
22:40:09 <colonelqubit> it's the default in the U12.04 repo, so I haven't bothered with a ppa or whatnot
22:40:14 <colonelqubit> him == me
22:40:35 <colonelqubit> (I'm trying to answer someone who is asking why HTML export is so verbose...)
22:41:09 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/
22:41:38 <jorendc> we can't do anything with 3.5.4 anymore
22:41:50 <colonelqubit> wait, 3.5.4.2 is EOL?
22:41:53 <jorendc> the 3.5 branch is at 3.5.7 ... and that was the latest
22:41:55 <jorendc> yes
22:41:55 <colonelqubit> lol
22:41:59 <jorendc> 3.5.7 = EOL
22:42:07 <colonelqubit> maybe I should ask bjoern
22:42:10 <jorendc> and it's already quite a 'long' time in EOL
22:42:14 <jorendc> :p
22:42:31 <colonelqubit> no, I mean, seriously
22:42:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60295] VIEWING: Scroll Bar Doesn't Work Correctly for Large Spreadsheets on OSX 10.8+
22:44:08 <colonelqubit> u12.04 is the LTS -- it is intended to be supported until 2017
22:45:00 <jorendc> :p haha
22:45:13 <jorendc> that'll be a pitty in 2016 :')
22:45:17 <jorendc> with that old LibreOffice
22:45:29 <jorendc> I think it's usefull to shoot that question to the dev mailinglist
22:45:57 <colonelqubit> perhaps the ubuntu list
22:46:05 <colonelqubit> really a distro decision
22:46:34 * colonelqubit wanders off to talk to Unruly Ubuntuloos
22:52:41 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Heh -- apparently that's the case
22:52:50 <colonelqubit> 12.04 is going to be stuck with 3.5 through 2017
22:52:57 <jorendc> :s
22:52:59 <jorendc> whut
22:53:04 <colonelqubit> If you want anything newer, you have to upgrade your distro
22:53:17 <colonelqubit> (I'm *certain* that they don't officially support the PPAs)
22:57:35 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Does 3.5.4.2 have support for ODF 1.2?
22:58:17 <colonelqubit> because if not, interoperability will be a pain there
22:58:33 <colonelqubit> What does the QA team do with bugs filed against EOL versions?
22:58:43 <colonelqubit> tag, file, and punt?
22:58:58 <jorendc> yes colonelqubit http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/
22:59:34 <jorendc> try to reproduce ... if not reproducible ask the reporter to test with recent versions of LO :)
23:01:00 <colonelqubit> oh, but you're trying to reproduce on a modern version of LO. I see
23:09:16 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes, to see or this behavior is still reproducible... if so, we don't need to ask the reporter to test with a more recent version :p
23:09:28 <jorendc> because that'll not resolve his issue
23:10:05 <jorendc> it's also useful to try to reproduce a problem, because you need to DO the given information. If some steps aren't that clear to you, you also can ask to specify/give more steps :-)
23:10:16 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but I need to go now... My bed is waiting for me :-)
23:10:22 <colonelqubit> lol
23:10:36 <colonelqubit> fdo#60296
23:10:38 <jorendc> tomorrow my alarm will make me up early :(
23:10:39 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED XHTML Export describes product as OpenOffice.org https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60296
23:10:49 <colonelqubit> want to grade my work? :P
23:12:03 <colonelqubit> jorendc: have a good sleep!
23:12:10 <jorendc> sure, but tomorrow or in 2 days if possible :-). also some 'steps' are realy useful
23:12:35 <jorendc> I'm not that familiar with xhtml export, but I guess I can find it somewere in the 'save as' or the 'file-menu'
23:12:43 <jorendc> so I don't think I need clarification for that :-)
23:12:51 <jorendc> but in a general bug report, that's always useful
23:12:56 <colonelqubit> Sure
23:13:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60296] XHTML Export describes product as OpenOffice.org
23:13:06 <colonelqubit> I'll add 'em if it will speed up a fix
23:13:19 <colonelqubit> so anyone can poach open bugs ,right?
23:13:25 <jorendc> such steps as: *open writer * File > Save As > save file as 'xhtml'
23:13:45 <jorendc> sure colonelqubit
23:13:52 <colonelqubit> nice
23:13:54 <jorendc> if you mean by 'poach' -> fixing them or try to reproduce them :)
23:14:13 <colonelqubit> sending a patch to gerrit
23:14:17 <colonelqubit> yes, fixing :-)
23:14:20 <jorendc> yes everyone can do :-)
23:14:28 <jorendc> so maybe that's a good easyhack for you :D...?
23:14:37 <colonelqubit> maybe
23:15:06 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/search?q=%22http%3A%2F%2Fxml.openoffice.org%2Fodf2xhtml%22&project=core&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=
23:15:28 <jorendc> I think it'll not that difficult :-)
23:15:35 <jorendc> but you need a link to replace with
23:15:49 <jorendc> so, if you don't know how to, I can try to guide you
23:15:57 <jorendc> but I really need to go to bed right now :-)
23:15:59 <jorendc> good night colonelqubit
23:16:54 * colonelqubit waves adieu to jorendc's shadow
23:25:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Importing a style and saving the file || Change highlighting in MS Word
02:25:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Conditional formatting help
02:43:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60300] PIVOTTABLE: Calc crashing when using GETPIVOTDATA on pivottable that has automatic subtotals
03:44:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60301] EDITING: App crashes when copying column.
04:46:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60303] EDITING: Moving worksheet tab positions crashes LibreOffice
05:46:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60304] IMPRESS FILEOEN text runs together
06:16:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60305] IMPRESS FILEOEN text runs together
07:17:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60306] EDITING: CONDITIONAL FORMATTING destroyed after copy-paste cell
07:47:25 <colonelqubit> jmadero: take a look at fdo#60274
07:47:27 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium RESOLVED NOTABUG libre don't use standard ISO XML - Why ? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60274
07:47:59 <colonelqubit> looks like a good 'testcase' for how we should split up user support q's
07:48:26 <colonelqubit> I agree that the question "What can I do to open/repair a broken ODS file?" would be appropriate for the Ask site.
07:49:53 <colonelqubit> But think that dealing with errors like "Read error. An unknown error occurred" should generally happen on the bugtracker
08:17:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60308] MAILING: Qmail SPAM "unread messages wait for you"
08:57:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice keep reducing HD space
09:17:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60310] [CRASH] Libreoffice hangs when idle, crashes after force quit, uses 1+GB memory || [Bug 60311] EDITING: Copy cells with CONDITIONAL FORMATTING formula with wrong references after paste
09:47:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60313] Opening some files makes progressbar loop from 0% to 100% many times || [Bug 60314] : docx filter || [Bug 60315] UI: RTL UI right-click on slide pane the context menu go outside || [Bug 60309] can't copy to new file name
09:57:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to read custom color from file (Libreoffice 4.0RC3)
10:48:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60316] Impress FILEOPEN: [pptx] file opens with wrong style
10:57:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: change portrait to horizontal view
11:19:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60318] Impress EDITING: [ppt, pptx] cannot edit diagrams created in MS Office || [Bug 60319] 'Clone paragraph' feature. || [Bug 60320] Impress EDITING: [ppt] cannot edit SmartArt objects in files created in MS Office
11:25:37 <markit> hi ppl, I'm cold but I could try to triage one or two bugs today (I'm home from work), probably later. I've seen that RC3 has been released
12:20:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60323] Copywrite symbol turns into a heart in footer || [Bug 60322] add calc function SKEWP as in ODFF v1.2
12:22:28 <markit> isn't https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52547 going to be fixed for 4.0?
12:22:30 <IZBot> bug 52547: LibreOffice-framework normal/medium NEW New Firefox image clipboard causes "paste as link" in LibreOffice - paste directly is preferred
13:28:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc How do I drag and drop contents only, while preserving formatting in the original cell? || How to add extra editable text areas to Master Slide
14:22:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60325] [CRASH] Selecting Impress Remote from menubar opens an unclosable window, a crash follows "Force Quit" operation || [Bug 60327] : intermittent operation of menu functions || [Bug 60328] Please delete Spam Mails from list archives
15:59:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer with pictures often fails. || How can I open .doc and .xls files from Windows Explorer?
16:29:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Converting HTML forms to PDF || unoconv headless multiple options, secure PDF
16:42:40 <colonelqubit> jmadero: got time for a q?
16:45:37 <colonelqubit> or maybe half a q
16:46:09 <colonelqubit> (I guess that would be a "c")
16:47:52 <jmadero> colonelqubit: sure
16:47:58 <jmadero> colonelqubit: at work but  I'll do my best
16:48:59 <colonelqubit> ok, I'll type quickly
16:49:14 <colonelqubit> fdo#60274
16:49:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium RESOLVED NOTABUG libre don't use standard ISO XML - Why ? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60274
16:49:49 <colonelqubit> I agree that the question "What can I do to open/repair a broken ODS file?" would be appropriate for the Ask site.
16:50:08 <colonelqubit> but for triaging errors, I think that's better handled in the bugtracker
16:50:45 <colonelqubit> Unless perhaps in this case someone thinks that the error message is an OS or other application error, at which point it should be RESOLVED NOTOURBUG
16:52:57 <jmadero> hm
16:53:08 <jmadero> I mean the why is definitely an ask questiopn
16:53:10 <jmadero> question
16:53:29 <jmadero> for triaging errors, I agree, bugtracker
16:53:36 <jmadero> because then if there is something strange going on it'll be fixed
16:53:41 <jmadero> vs. if it's just a workaround provided in Ask
16:53:51 <jmadero> but developers might just close as NOTABUG
16:53:54 <jmadero> (or QA team)
16:54:12 <jmadero> that particular one doesn't seem to be an error, it's just saying "why do you do this"
16:54:39 <colonelqubit> I'm okay with workarounds being discussed on the Ask site, but I think we should say "1. file the bug, then 2. ask for a workaround"
16:55:05 <colonelqubit> and of course 3. when a fix is available/tested in a released build, then we mark the question as answered
16:55:32 <colonelqubit> re: the why, yes, I think "why isn't an ODS file valid XML?" is an okay q for the ask site
16:55:39 <jmadero> yeah I can agree with that, but they need to title their bugs better (hopefully), FDO isn't a place to say "why"
16:55:57 <jmadero> it's a place to say "my file is corrupt, here is how to reproduce"
16:56:02 <jmadero> "now fix it" ;)
16:56:27 <jmadero> FDO should be used in general when a bug is known to be a bug, otherwise you're wasting QA/devs time
16:56:28 <colonelqubit> also "you can try to ask that at ..." is a very vague and somewhat unhelpful reply
16:56:43 <colonelqubit> especially when the previous comment includes so many pieces
16:56:58 <jmadero> yeah, I think had the title been better, no one would have said that
16:56:59 <jmadero> just a guess
16:57:05 <jmadero> it's like he wants an explanation instead of a bug fix
16:57:06 <colonelqubit> What, precisely, should be asked at the Ask site
16:57:14 <jmadero> I'm sure it's just a linguistic issue
16:57:45 <colonelqubit> fair enough, but precision is the only refuge we have from going mad
16:57:48 <colonelqubit> :-)
16:57:55 <jmadero> "how can I repair this file" might be good for ask
16:58:33 <colonelqubit> ok.
16:58:33 <jmadero> for FDO maybe for title "LibreOffice does not respect standards of ISO"
16:59:13 <colonelqubit> honestly, I think the title isn't the biggest issue
16:59:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: New Regex engine in version 4
16:59:43 <colonelqubit> Anyhow, thanks for the info
17:00:08 <colonelqubit> I just like running these examples by you to make sure that I'm not too far off in my understanding of how we use bugzilla
17:00:19 <jmadero> I think we're on the same page
17:00:27 <jmadero> for FDO there should in general be reproducible steps also
17:00:31 <colonelqubit> right
17:00:35 <jmadero> like "how the hell did you get this broken file"
17:00:40 <colonelqubit> :P
17:00:41 <jmadero> if it's a one time thing, maybe it was memory corruption or somehing strange
17:00:46 <colonelqubit> yep
17:01:02 <jmadero> I would have marked this bug as NEEDINFO probably
17:01:09 <jmadero> and asked how this file got to where it was to begin with
17:01:14 <colonelqubit> right
17:02:04 <jmadero> so to make it broader, if it's a one time thing, likely a place for Ask, if it's a bigger issue that can be repeated, FDO is probably best
17:02:09 <jmadero> then go to Ask for a temporary workaround
17:03:00 <colonelqubit> yep. I'll try to make sure all discussion of workarounds are backed by a bug on bugzilla
17:03:43 <colonelqubit> and honestly, that just makes sense -- so we don't have people using workarounds while there's an unreported bug out there
17:05:30 <jmadero> definitely
17:13:30 <jmadero> the bugs remaining against 4.0 are really annoying me
17:13:32 <jmadero> lol
17:13:41 <jmadero> 30 left, I swear 20 of them have been there for a month
17:17:13 <pje335_NL> jmadero: but wan i can't reproduce them what do i have to set them to?
17:17:39 <pje335_NL> because so the can't  bereroduce the stay there for ever then
17:18:50 <colonelqubit> how many people need to say 'no repro' before the bug gets marked as such?
17:19:24 <pje335_NL> idk
17:19:31 <pje335_NL> i was wondering as well
17:25:57 <colonelqubit> I assume that if you test on the same OS + the same version of LO, then 1 person is enough
17:26:36 <colonelqubit> if OP still experiences the issues, then they can re-open the bug and/or provide more detailed repro instructions
17:27:22 <pje335_NL> yes but how do i have to mark it then?
17:28:15 <jmadero> pje335_NL: if you cannot reproduce mark as WFM
17:28:19 <jmadero> only requires one QA person
17:28:26 <jmadero> as long as your version/os is the same
17:28:26 <colonelqubit> ah, okay
17:28:31 <jmadero> if you are testing on Linux but it says Windows bug
17:28:39 <jmadero> you can just leave a comment saying not happening in Linux
17:28:56 <pje335_EATING> oke i got all os running :)
17:28:58 <jmadero> but if everything is identical to reporters setup (if you're using a newer version that is fine) mark as WFM
17:29:14 <pje335_EATING> 4.0 rc3
17:29:17 <jmadero> if you're using a newer version state that in comment, and request that the submitter retest against newer release or wait until stable release
17:29:21 <jmadero> (if you're tsting against 4.0)
17:29:27 <pje335_EATING> but going to eat:)
17:29:29 <jmadero> ah, next we'll have you building master ;)
17:29:38 <jmadero> sounds good, enjoy
17:35:56 <jmadero> colonelqubit: before there was conversation about 2 QA testers doing every bug, but it's simply impossible
17:36:14 <jmadero> colonelqubit: so if one person marks as WFM and leaves a polite comment, the reporter can always reopen a bug
17:53:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60331] Formatting of text in numbered lists applies to numbering
17:55:23 <pje335_NL> i am back
17:57:02 <pje335_NL> jmadero: building master?
18:23:15 <jmadero> pje335_NL: compiling the source code
18:23:43 <pje335_NL> and that means i am not good with codes :D
18:23:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60332] Spreadsheet locks up while using DDE
18:26:45 <jmadero> it means turning the C++ code into the "computer language" (it's called building) and it's done through a compiler
18:26:54 <jmadero> depending on your system takes 1-12 hours
18:27:04 <jmadero> Joren's computer is awesome so it's about 1.5 hours, mine is less awesome, about 5 hours
18:27:47 <pje335_NL> my pc WAS pritty fast :D
18:28:09 <jmadero> haha I build on my laptop that's ~4 years old
18:28:14 <jmadero> it does okay though ;)
18:28:30 <jmadero> with master you can get recent patches as they are committed
18:28:42 <jmadero> (not really much of a benefit, not really recommended for QA in general, mostly for developers)
18:28:45 <pje335_NL> i got a pc (for games) and a mac from school (no books <3)
18:28:46 <jmadero> I develop a bit so I build
18:28:58 <jmadero> lol eh, Apple products make me cry inside
18:28:59 <jmadero> ;)
18:29:09 <pje335_NL> wya
18:29:10 <pje335_NL> way?
18:29:18 <jmadero> but we do need QA people for OS X
18:29:26 <jmadero> uh, I think the company is morally bankrupt
18:29:32 <jmadero> they sue all the time in the US, over ridiculous things
18:29:40 <jmadero> latest thing they won on was a phone being a rectangle
18:29:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problems with unvisible GUI and closing reports
18:30:12 <pje335_NL> ow
18:31:16 <pje335_NL> but i can't just instal all cindt of software because the school wil be angry on me and the say: now you are a admin on your pc and now we are going to make you a user and de-instal al stoftware
18:31:41 <jmadero> yeah ;) impressive they give laptops
18:31:53 <jmadero> I remember when I was in high school, the entire school had 30 laptops to share ;)
18:31:57 <jmadero> and there are ~1,000 of us
18:32:10 <pje335_NL> lol
18:32:26 <pje335_NL> we are with 1500 macs on 1 school
18:33:12 <jmadero> I wonder why schools choose macs actually, hardly anyone in the "real world" uses mac
18:33:13 <jmadero> so it doesn't actually give job skills
18:33:21 <jmadero> no programmers that I know of develop on Apple other than Apple devs
18:33:56 <jmadero> that's a lie, I know 3 LibreOffice developers that develop on OS X ;)
18:34:01 <jmadero> out of the ~600 or so (I think)
18:34:02 <jmadero> haha
18:34:18 <pje335_NL> haha
18:34:18 <jmadero> but we're supposed to abstain from opinions about companies in the IRC chat so I'll stop
18:34:55 <pje335_NL> yes i wil stop to :D
18:35:07 <pje335_NL> back to bisnis (home work :D)
18:35:37 <jmadero> lol
18:41:32 <colonelqubit> jmadero: how goes qa for 4.0?
18:43:01 <colonelqubit> I might have some time to look at the unconfirmed list later today
18:55:39 <jmadero> colonelqubit: lol stagnant, I can't test most the remaining
18:55:55 <jmadero> colonelqubit: either because they are specific to Windows or because they are just strange issues that I don't understand
20:30:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Printing postal bar codes on envelopes
20:54:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60334] FILEOPEN: Cannot open pass protected docx
21:32:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: odf to gdoc
21:54:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60335] FILESAVE: Conditional Formatting copied by dragging not saved
22:07:18 <colonelqubit> Is QA in charge of keeping https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan up to date?
22:07:49 <colonelqubit> (if not qa, then who?)
22:25:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60336] Ignore BOM at the beginning of flat ODF formats || [Bug 60337] PRINTING: Slow writing
22:56:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60338] FILESAVE: Saved files have incorrect permissions on linux
23:27:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60342] FILEOPEN DOC: wrong page break || [Bug 60341] EDITING, Formating: Unable change font of pasted text
23:53:03 <moggi> colonelqubit: release engineering
23:54:45 <moggi> colonelqubit: but as it is a wiki you can fix errors, just don't change any of the dates
00:33:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I need to edit a microsoft access document and I have a Macbook Pro would and LibreOffice download help
01:33:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Record changes bubbles
02:03:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Envelope changes
02:33:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60345] sumif formula wildcard in text criteria fails to match, returns 0 instead of total. Big error. || [Bug 60343] FILEOPEN: Cannot open pass protected docx
03:04:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60346] UI: Crashes with chart usage.
03:51:50 <colonelqubit> moggi: Thanks for the info. What I'm really interested in is knowing where LO releases are in their life cycle
03:54:27 <colonelqubit> e.g. I know that 4.0 isn't shipping yet (maybe today?) and that most (if not all) of the 3.5 releases are EOL
03:54:47 <colonelqubit> but I'd like to see that information presented somewhere
04:21:55 <colonelqubit> ---
04:23:33 <colonelqubit> If a user would like to report a bug regarding a non-official build (e.g. a PPA for Kubuntu), should we point them at LO bugzilla or at the distro-specific bugtracker (e.g. Launchpad) ?
04:34:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: ePub3 Create & Edit
04:36:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60348] PDF: Objects with gradient coloring cannot be exported to vector formats correctly || [Bug 60349] FORMATTING: Icon / button / toolbar customization - wrap alignment
05:06:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60350] VIEWING: Cell protection - NOT spreadsheet protection, then unprotecting some cells
05:36:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60351] Wrong images contours
06:04:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Data table problem
06:34:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer is not formatting and bordering docx tables the same || How can I auto-switch between languages in LibreOffice on Debian Linux?
06:39:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60351] FILEOPEN particular .docx shows pictures with wrong contour instead of appropriate simple wrap
07:05:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: formulas truncated in open calc
08:11:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60353] Crash at startup on OSX 10.8.2 and LibreOffice 3.6.5 German Language Pack || [Bug 60354] : import from HTML source limited by avg 7000 lines
08:35:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to remove thousand separator when copy/paste in LibreOffice?
08:41:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60355] FORMATTING: Changing the text formatting in one single line (e.g. bold, italic) also changes text formatting in other lines and paragraphs
09:05:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Text Alignment
09:11:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60356] VIEWING: pictures not shown correctly
09:41:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60357] EDITING: Grammar check not workign
10:11:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60358] EDITING: Entering "=" causes spreadsheet to crash
10:42:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60360] cross-reference to an illustration does not work if 'Illustration' is changed to 'Figure'
11:12:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60361] FILESAVE: Cross-reference field target is changed upon save as .doc || [Bug 60362] efficient math mode
11:44:16 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60363] EDITING: Paste problem with CX-Supervisor point
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11:52:41 * jorendc waves to colonelqubit
12:45:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60362] More efficient integration of math mode inside a document
13:46:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60365] Y error bars cannot be added to charts in LO 4.0.0.rc2 || [Bug 60366] EDITING: MATCH() function fails (err: 504) when parameter 2 (LookupArray) is a single-cell named range
15:48:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60371] BASIC: Cannot assign a struct to a struct in Basic || [Bug 60372] FILEOPEN Password not requested on opening
15:51:01 <mmeeks> can anyone reproduce the impress SlideShow->Impress Remote hang - whereby the window cannot be closed ?
16:10:36 <pje335_NL> mmeeks: yes ican
16:12:04 <kendy> pje335_NL: Can you please provide of the hang: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#How_to_get_a_strace_log_.28on_Linux.29 and upload it somewhere?
16:12:12 <kendy> provide strace
16:12:27 <mmeeks> pje335_NL: thnaks we're getting there.
16:12:37 <mmeeks> kendy: the strace is not going to help - the sdremote is fundamentally not enabled it seems.
16:12:44 <mmeeks> kendy: read the code - there is no other clean explanation
16:13:12 <pje335_NL> wel iam on a mac :D but i can boot up up my ubuntu pc later this day
16:13:48 <kendy> pje335_NL: No prob, not needed as mmeeks says.
16:16:22 <pje335_NL> booting ubuntu :)\
16:35:12 <pje335_NL> kendy: don't under stand the instuction wen i want to do that i need to instal libreoffice furst but i have
16:35:50 <kendy> pje335_NL: Not necessary any more, sorry for the noise & thanks so much for the help - we have obtained the info we needed by other means
16:36:30 <pje335_NL> oke
16:49:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60375] Lost image header after saving in rtf || [Bug 60376] Deactivated toolbars reappear when toggling fullscreen
17:07:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Creating a comparitive timeline graph in Calc?
17:19:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60378] FILEOPEN: Wrond table cells formatting
17:50:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60379] Impress Remote: Options look disabled
18:36:25 <bgranados> Hi, I was on here a couple days ago, and I have another question. For the newer releases, (4.0, etc) which are not official, and even have disclaimers not to use for production use....  If someone has a bug on an older version, are we just telling them to wait if it works in 4.0?
18:36:40 <bgranados> I hope that makes sense.
18:38:55 <colonelqubit> bgranados: If a user is chomping at the bit for a bugfix or enhancement, suggesting that they try a beta build (in this case a 4.0 beta build) seems fine to me
18:42:03 <bgranados> Okay. I was just wondering. Thanks.
18:42:07 <colonelqubit> as long as we use language that conveys that the build isn't final ("please test with rc1", "If you're really stuck, please check to see if a beta build fixes this problem", etc...) then I think that it should be fine
18:43:27 <bgranados> That makes sense.
18:43:49 <colonelqubit> For most users, I'd just suggest that they sit pretty for a couple more days. I haven't heard anything definite, but it looks we'll see 4.0 before the weekend.
18:48:33 <bgranados> alright.
19:02:01 <colonelqubit> moggi: You mentioned that release engineering is in charge of setting the dates and other information for releases. The Lifecycle chart on the releaseplan wiki page indicates an EOL point for each branch, but there's no mention of a (rough) EOL date for each release. Would it be possible for us to include that information on that page?
19:03:21 <moggi> colonelqubit: what do you mean with EOL for each release?
19:04:00 <colonelqubit> End of Life -- when we stop supporting that release
19:04:16 <colonelqubit> take a look at the chart here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
19:04:57 <moggi> colonelqubit: I know what EOL means, I'm jut not sure what you mean with release, do you mean a whole branch like 3-6 or one single release like 3.6.0.2?
19:05:10 <colonelqubit> I mean the whole branch
19:05:23 <colonelqubit> Sorry, maybe that page needs more love than I initially realized
19:05:39 <colonelqubit> The page uses the terminology "3.5 release" to refer to the entire 3.5 branch
19:05:55 <colonelqubit> Maybe it should say "3.5 releases" ?
19:08:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I want to change the date format for aoclume with existing dates
19:13:11 <moggi> colonelqubit: well EOL for a branch is not something we plan, it always depends on several factors and is normally discussed in the ESC when we come to .5 or .6
19:13:20 <moggi> but pmladek might give you more details
19:23:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60381] The operation on was started with an invalid parameter || [Bug 60382] EDITING and TABLE: Deleting a table row does not get recorded with Edit > Changes > Record
19:37:15 <colonelqubit> moggi: ah, okay.
19:45:01 <colonelqubit> jorendc: how goes it?
19:45:08 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit :-)
19:45:15 <jorendc> good, good. Thanks for asking
19:45:19 <jorendc> how it's going there colonelqubit ?
19:47:36 <colonelqubit> busy
19:48:02 <jorendc> colonelqubit: on the ask site or just 'outside' Libreoffice
19:48:24 <colonelqubit> in a holding pattern for the Ask site
19:48:54 <colonelqubit> moderation queue is wedged, so I'm waiting until someone can unwedge it
19:50:25 <colonelqubit> I could do some upkeep and cleanup on the site, but I think it might be seen as unfair that I can post while everyone else has to wait in moderation
19:50:35 <colonelqubit> oh -- quick test for me?
19:51:47 <jorendc> sure colonelqubit
19:51:50 <colonelqubit> nevermind -- the # of moderated posts went up. I was going to ask you to post something so I could see if the number of held posts was increasing
19:52:06 <jorendc> btw, what's wrong with the moderation que?
19:52:16 <colonelqubit> gremlins somewhere in the code
19:52:29 <jorendc> mmh, you can't 'accept'/'reject' posts?
19:52:36 * colonelqubit nods solemnly.
19:53:03 <colonelqubit> yep. basically something gets halfway deleted
19:53:18 <colonelqubit> so it's gone from one table, but still referenced from another
19:54:03 <colonelqubit> basically someone needs to get in there and fully delete it
19:54:30 <jorendc> mmmh, that seems terrible :s
19:55:54 <colonelqubit> yep, not a good situation
19:58:02 <colonelqubit> what've you been working on lately?
19:58:24 <jorendc> mmh, previous 2 days I didn't do anything related to LibreOffice
19:58:39 <jorendc> but today I did some QA work, checked some regressions I introduced with my patch xD
19:58:45 <colonelqubit> lol
20:00:58 <jorendc> I also saw that our bug# is jumped to 1441 bugs ... that's +40 in 2 days :s
20:01:07 <colonelqubit> saw the unconfirmed list was down a bit.
20:01:35 <colonelqubit> (well I have been encouraging many people on the Ask site to file proper bugs :-)
20:03:18 <jorendc> hehe :-). Thanks for doing that (and yes, I'm serious :-) )
20:03:55 <colonelqubit> fdo#59915 -- OP can't repro on 4.0.0.3. Any reason why that shouldn't be marked as RESOLVED WORKSFORME (or somesuch?)
20:03:57 <IZBot> LibreOffice-framework normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Hang when click "About LibreOffice" in application menu https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59915
20:08:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc: how to properly reference cells from other sheet?
20:08:21 <jorendc> sorry colonelqubit, I'll have a look at it now :-)
20:08:32 <jorendc> I'm reproducing bugs as crazy now :p
20:09:19 <jorendc> colonelqubit: because Michael have replyied on that one :-)
20:10:20 <jorendc> colonelqubit: Michael Meeks is euh one of the most experienced developers in whole LO :-)... and even them I'm 'underestimating'
20:11:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: he saw something wrong in the backtrace, so... unrelated to the fact the bug reporter can't even reproduce this ... there was/is something wrong there
20:13:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but you always can ask to michael or this can be closed because the bug report can't reproduce anymore... or he would like to determine the cause of that
20:16:56 <jorendc> mmeeks: ^^ ... or in summary: can we close fdo#59915 as WFM or would you/other dev like to further investigate that?
20:16:59 <IZBot> LibreOffice-framework normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Hang when click "About LibreOffice" in application menu https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59915
20:31:43 <jorendc> colonelqubit: thanks for improving my answer http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11387/can-i-run-libreoffice-on-windows-8-64/?answer=11398#post-id-11398 :-)
20:33:50 <colonelqubit> jorendc: regarding 55915, it looks like OP's report has been solved; If mmeeks still thinks there's something worth investigating, I'd suggest that be filed as a separate bug "Problem with SVG handling in branding" (etc...)
20:34:10 <colonelqubit> jorendc: did you just get an email ping?
20:34:44 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that's also possible... another possibility is just to rename that bug if that's the case...
20:35:10 <colonelqubit> jorendc: oh okay, I didn't know if it was "kosher" to repurpose bugs like that
20:35:16 <colonelqubit> (different projects, different rules..)
20:35:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no mail in my email inbox ... but I noticed you change a bit on my answer because the envelope at the ask site was red :-)
20:35:47 <jorendc> so I clicked on that, and I saw your changes
20:36:05 <colonelqubit> jorendc: ah, okay. the moderation queue just got unwedged, so I was wondering if that let loose a flood of email and/or etc...
20:36:05 <jorendc> I think that's a kind of ask-email :p?
20:36:28 <jorendc> not that I'm aware of
20:36:37 * colonelqubit is trying to figure out a way to be notified when the moderation queue is unstuck
20:41:55 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good luck with that :)
20:42:53 <colonelqubit> I could write a cron job to pull down the page, parse it to see if contains "internal server error", and then (if the state has changed since the last pull) email me...
20:42:58 <colonelqubit> but I'm lazy
20:43:05 <jorendc> lol
20:43:55 <colonelqubit> Hmmm...could get a false positive  if someone had a post in moderation with the words "internal server error"
20:44:24 <colonelqubit> ah..WFM = Works For Me.  I shall try to remember that..
20:45:06 <jorendc> oh, you may ask that if that wasn't not clear to you :)
20:45:23 <jorendc> I'm doing the same when I don't understand you completely :)
20:49:46 <colonelqubit> :P
21:12:46 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: sounds sensible to me :-)
21:13:35 * mmeeks wanders off again ...
21:13:53 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: the libmerged stuff was interesting - that's all ;-) I was not aware that we (or anyone) was using that in the wild: interesting to see it though ;-)
21:14:05 <mmeeks> it's a way of glupping much of LibreOffice into a single big library ...
21:20:05 <jorendc> :)
21:24:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60378] FILEOPEN: Wrong table cells formatting
21:25:14 <jorendc> hi Jochen
21:27:32 <CorNouws> hi !
21:27:47 <CorNouws> jorendc: ;-) thanks for the corrections on the PR - is ready now!
21:28:24 <jorendc> hi CorNouws
21:28:33 <jorendc> You're welcome. You always can ping me for such things :)
21:29:15 <jorendc> CorNouws: you have an HTML of the 'release notes' of LibreOffice 4.0 for using on our nl.libreoffice.org website?
21:29:15 <CorNouws> super !
21:30:08 <CorNouws> jorendc: no, just wanted to copy paste the English one in Silverstripe and then we can do the translation piece by piece - few at the top first is a good start...
21:30:16 <CorNouws> but do you have some words already?
21:30:42 <jorendc> CorNouws: I don't have anything yet :p
21:31:08 <jorendc> CorNouws: but I know there is an email send to all localization website owners regarding this HTML
21:31:11 <CorNouws> jorendc: no probs - enough invested in LibreOffice the past weeks, IMNSHO ;-)
21:31:24 <jorendc> ;-)
21:31:55 <jorendc> CorNouws: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg09826.html
21:32:22 <jorendc> CorNouws: In the note, I included the HTML code for the EN webpage that can easily be copy/pasted into the nl site.
21:32:24 <colonelqubit> jorendc: aaand...under 1500
21:32:32 <jorendc> wow colonelqubit :o
21:32:35 <jorendc> that's awesome :o
21:32:44 <CorNouws> jorendc: thanks - will mail to our discuss list - but a bit tired - some 8.5 hours sleep in two nights..
21:32:56 <colonelqubit> well, it's progress :-)
21:33:12 <jorendc> CorNouws: oh, well ... then I think you need to sleep a bit first
21:33:28 * colonelqubit agrees
21:33:41 <jorendc> CorNouws: just forward that mail to me, I'll take care of it further :-). And you go to bed right now :o!
21:33:47 <colonelqubit> email written when asleep can be ...interesting
21:33:56 <jorendc> hehe
21:38:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to set target filename in command-line conversions? || Writer crashes on any save
21:44:38 <jorendc> back to 1431 bugs ... phiew :p that's -10
22:06:01 <CorNouws> jorendc: stukje al op de site - publicatie doe ik morgen -  verder deel aan jou gemaild!
22:06:28 <jorendc> CorNouws: ik zag het. Bedankt daarvoor. Zal het zoveel mogelijk overnemen :-)
22:07:05 <CorNouws> jorendc: en je kunt ook mensen op de mail lijst vragen of ze een stukkie kunnen doen - maar dan wel dat ze het als platte tekst naar je toe sturen :-)
22:07:31 <jorendc> CorNouws: zouden we dat nu al doen, of even wachten tot de officiele release van 4.0?
22:08:05 <CorNouws> je kunt gewoon vragen toch - de pagina is nog niet gepubliceerd, dus mensen moeten toch via de mail wat van jou krijgen. Maar proberen?
22:13:04 <jorendc> CorNouws: ok :-)
22:16:51 <jorendc> CorNouws: we kunnen ook de al vertaalde stukken gebruiken van onze wiki
22:18:05 <CorNouws> jorendc: hé, cool - goed dat je daaraan denkt. Plak ze maar in het CMS zou ik zeggen (als je de opmaak netjes houdt... maar dom om dat aan jou te vragen ;-) )
22:18:32 <jorendc> ;-) niet dom; Je hebt gelijk. Ik moet zorgen dat ik er geen knoeiboel van maak :-).
22:18:42 <jorendc> Maar inderdaad, ik was al bezig met knippen en plakken ;-)
22:38:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Support for OpenType advance features please! || Creating a comparative timeline graph in Calc?
22:41:55 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Know anyone who is on the Documentation Team? I'd like to pick their brain
22:42:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no I don't. I know some document team members for localization ...
22:42:27 <colonelqubit> (don't want to bother signing up for the mailing list)
22:43:03 <jorendc> colonelqubit: oh, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert following that site it's Sophie and David
22:43:56 <colonelqubit> aha. the special page :-)
22:44:31 <jorendc> ;-)
22:44:43 * colonelqubit mutters about fire alarms and sub-zero temps
23:09:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I want to change the date format for a column with existing dates
23:10:07 <jorendc> 1427 bugs found.  ... one more and I think that'll be sufficient for today :-)
23:10:34 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60108 can you verify this?
23:10:36 <IZBot> bug 60108: LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium UNCONFIRMED ASKLIBREOFFICE: Uploading avatar in Ask LibreOffice fails
23:12:21 <colonelqubit> jorendc: oh yes
23:12:25 <colonelqubit> one sec
23:12:47 <jorendc> thanks colonelqubit :-). It'll be nice if you left a comment on that one ... if that's possible of course :)
23:17:03 <colonelqubit> yep
23:19:29 <jorendc> thanks colonelqubit _o_
23:25:16 <jorendc> colonelqubit:  1424 bugs found.  ... and if you leave a comment to that bug (no hurry) that's 1423 UNCONFIRMED bugs :-). I think that's sufficient for today :p
23:26:37 <jorendc> in 3 and an half hour from 1441 -> 1423 ... that's -18 or approx. 5 bugs/hour
23:27:37 <jorendc> good evening (or day over there :p) colonelqubit
23:27:39 * jorendc waves
23:27:47 <colonelqubit> night
23:39:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Visual C++ library runtime error and then "fixed" after Recovery Process
00:08:37 <CorNouws> bye ;-)
00:29:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60385] Formula returns Err:509 Missing Operator
02:02:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60386] Document Statistics shell extension not translated || [Bug 60387] Can't build LibreOffice 4.0.0.3
03:06:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60388] CONFIGURATION: Menu "Tools > Language > ... > More..." shows Font Dialog || [Bug 60390] FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document
04:08:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60392] VIEWING: Not correctly display drawings in SVG format.
04:40:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: mediawiki localhost mac 10.8.2 || How can you become an agent in Florida?
05:10:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a wiki-style "Playground" on this site?
06:11:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: calc - pivot table layout
07:41:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I change the page count in Writer? || How do I make captions show on top? || Can I make custom categories for my captions?
07:43:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60388] UI: Menu "Tools > Language > ... > More..." shows Character Dialog
09:11:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Common Errors in Libre Office 4.0.0.3 || HELP: Bizarre formatting glitch in Text Document || How can the Title Page be configured so as not to insert a blank page?
09:15:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60400] Navigator Should Highlight the Heading under which the Cursor is Located || [Bug 60401] FORMATTING: negativ nomber in red/black
09:45:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60403] FORMATTING: Number 1.000.000 paste in Calc like it is a text
10:16:04 <pmladek> colonelqubit: Hi, I have just reverted your change at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
10:16:07 <colonelqubit> pmladek: moggi took exception at my use of the term "3.5 release"
10:16:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60406] LibreLogo: Name conflict in procedure handling
10:16:13 <colonelqubit> yep, just saw it
10:16:28 <colonelqubit> that's kind of a problem
10:16:41 <colonelqubit> I understand that urls to sections of that page may already exist
10:17:05 <pmladek> colonelqubit: What is wrong with "3.5 release"
10:17:18 <colonelqubit> There are releases of of the 3.5 branch
10:17:24 <colonelqubit> like 3.5.7
10:17:31 <colonelqubit> that's a release
10:17:31 <pmladek> The release notes page uses "3.5 release" as well, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/3.5
10:17:34 <colonelqubit> it's something we published
10:18:18 <pmladek> colonelqubit: X.Y release is minor release with many changes, fixes, and features
10:18:48 <pmladek> colonelqubit: X.Y.Z release is just a bugfix release that fixes serious bugs
10:19:37 <pmladek> colonelqubit: IMHO, the word branch is confusing because it is too development-related term and normal users do not know it
10:20:27 <colonelqubit> I think moggi's concern was that "3.5 release" is ambiguous
10:21:04 <pmladek> colonelqubit: See also http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes/
10:21:07 <colonelqubit> there's nothing you can put your finger on and say "this is the 3.5 release"
10:21:16 <pmladek> colonelqubit: it mentions 3.6 as well
10:21:42 <moggi> colonelqubit: in the end pmladek is the one that decides in release engineering topics
10:22:10 <pmladek> moggi, colonelqubit: Well, I think that this is rather question for marketing
10:22:35 <colonelqubit> The only use of 'release' on that page are these "3.6.3 release", "regular bug fix releases", "3.6.x releases thusfar.", and "New Features Released in Our Latest 3.6 Version. "
10:22:40 <colonelqubit> I agree with all of those
10:22:45 <colonelqubit> I disagree with "3.5 release"
10:23:51 <colonelqubit> moggi: okay. I was just following your lead
10:25:20 <pmladek> colonelqubit: I agree that "X.Y release" is not precise but I am not sure that it is worth a change and breaking all existing links.
10:26:40 <colonelqubit> Fair enough
10:27:13 <colonelqubit> please make a note at the top of that wiki page to that effect so that people don't try to change the headings in the future
10:27:30 <pmladek> colonelqubit: anyway, thanks for pointing it out. It seems that we are not precise in many locations :-)
10:28:15 <colonelqubit> well I think everyone tries, there's just so much going on at once
10:29:38 <colonelqubit> And then someone like me comes along and tries to help out and ends up breaking things more than he helped...
10:30:32 <colonelqubit> :P
10:33:30 <pmladek> colonelqubit: No problem. I am sure that you do much more good things than bad things. And this was not that bad thing.
10:33:59 <colonelqubit> pmladek: It just seems like so many things are like dragging my feet through molasses around here
10:34:30 <colonelqubit> I feel like we're overextended -- trying to do too much at the same time
10:36:41 <colonelqubit> There are little indicators -- like the fact that the #documentfoundation channel's topic is still set to "next public Board call Wednesday, Jan 9th at 1600 UTC"
10:36:54 <pmladek> colonelqubit: I think that the project is still young and there are many things that need improvements.
10:37:20 <pmladek> colonelqubit: The good news is that we have already improved a lot.
10:37:30 <colonelqubit> Certainly, yes.
10:37:42 <colonelqubit> But I still stand behind my thesis: We're overextended
10:38:32 <pmladek> colonelqubit: It seems that you are very sensitive on details. It is a great quality for doing QA and also other things.
10:38:49 <colonelqubit> pmladek: I tend to notice things that are out of place :-)
10:40:32 <colonelqubit> I reported a bug against the front page of libreoffice.org because there's escaped HTML showing up
10:41:10 <pmladek> colonelqubit: Great. I think that important thing is to find an area where you want to work or which you want to improve and dig into it :-)
10:41:47 <colonelqubit> Well what I'd really like to work on is workflow
10:42:29 <colonelqubit> I've heard from a number of different volunteers about their workflows: what works, what doesn't work, etc..
10:43:08 <colonelqubit> I'd like to improve collaboration, and give some of the more committed volunteers a chance to take on more responsibilities.
10:44:18 <colonelqubit> optimization: If there's a small set of people who are doing the majority of the QA work, what can we do to speed *their* work up?
10:45:10 <colonelqubit> Documentation: When a user is looking for documentation for a topic in LibreOffice, what do they find?
10:45:51 <colonelqubit> Can we improve our sites so that users can get to the right documentation with fewer clicks?
10:46:43 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: sure we're over-extended :-) and there is a lot to fix ...
10:46:52 * mmeeks loves to lower the barriers so more people can fix stuff faster :-)
10:47:25 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: escaped HTML on our front-page ?
10:47:38 <colonelqubit> fdo#57232
10:47:42 <IZBot> LibreOffice-WWW major/medium NEW Escaped HTML on www.libreoffice.org front page https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57232
10:47:44 <mmeeks> &#8211; T
10:47:52 <colonelqubit> it's in the blog import block
10:48:02 <colonelqubit> mmeeks: I think it looks a bit tacky, myself
10:48:03 <mmeeks> I guess that's some horrible issue of syndicating / embedding the atom feed - no idea how it's done - clopy_away would be the guy.
10:48:28 <mmeeks> OTOH - fixing minor issues on the ~hour of a major release is unlikely to be a high priority for the sysadmin team - but perhaps  you're in luck :-)
10:48:30 <mmeeks> #tdf-infra
10:48:54 <colonelqubit> mmeeks: Oh, I'm certainly not asking for that bug to be fixed today -- or even this week
10:48:55 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: last  I heard they had some serious issues: DSL access problems, disk failure, data migration etc. all going on just as we take a massive traffic punch so ...
10:49:10 <mmeeks> I guess they're prepping for that right now.
10:49:19 <colonelqubit> please note that I filed the bug in November, and it hasn't seen any action since the beginning of December
10:49:24 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: great to get it filed :-)
10:50:42 <colonelqubit> thanks.
10:50:46 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: as for release naming, that's always hard - the reality is we introduce tons of fixes, speedups etc. into minor 3.A.x releases
10:51:02 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: so it's hard to know what to compare ourselves against for 3.A+1.0 etc. but ...
10:51:02 <mmeeks> hey ;-)
10:51:13 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: it's normal for bugs to need help to get them fixed.
10:51:31 <mmeeks> colonelqubit: in general getting people involved in fixing their own bugs is best; what was the issue ?
10:52:08 <colonelqubit> hmm?
10:53:13 <colonelqubit> mmeeks: I'm not sure what bug you're talking about...
10:54:13 <pmladek> mmeeks, colonelqubit: I guess that you are both talking about https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57232
10:54:16 <IZBot> bug 57232: LibreOffice-WWW major/medium NEW Escaped HTML on www.libreoffice.org front page
10:54:59 <colonelqubit> oh, okay. Conversation had drifted away from that topic for a while :-)
10:55:33 <pmladek> colonelqubit: There is a team of bug triagers that go through UNCONFIRMED bugs, verify them, put responsible people into CC, ...
10:56:13 <colonelqubit> pmladek: Does anyone go through the NEW bugs?
10:56:44 <pmladek> colonelqubit: The short story is at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Triage_For_Beginners
10:57:05 <pmladek> colonelqubit: The long story is at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage
10:58:14 <pmladek> colonelqubit: The number of bug triagers is fortunately growing but they are still behind. AFAIK, there is still more than 1000 bugs to triage now
10:58:39 <colonelqubit> pmladek: Thanks. I've read through those pages a couple of times. Always good to refresh my memory
10:58:43 <colonelqubit> what happens to NEW bugs?
10:59:18 <pmladek> colonelqubit: bugs in the state NEW are supposed to be valid bugs and prepared for developers for fixing
10:59:40 <pmladek> colonelqubit: bug triagers add developers into CC for critical bugs
11:00:16 <colonelqubit> right. I'm just wondering if there's something else I should do to help get my bug fixed
11:00:24 <pmladek> colonelqubit: the most critical bugs are escalated via the MAB meta bugs, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Most_Annoying_Bugs  => they are announced on the developer mailing list
11:00:41 <colonelqubit> remember: I geek out on fixing workflows :-)
11:00:43 <pmladek> colonelqubit: normal bugs are taken by developers according to the category, severity, ...
11:02:06 <pmladek> colonelqubit: so that each developer is usually interested into a particular category of bugs (Writer, Calc, ...)
11:02:10 <colonelqubit> right
11:02:31 <colonelqubit> and it looks like the last comment on the bug was a ping to floeff asking him who should field this bug
11:02:45 <pmladek> colonelqubit: Bug triagers do not assign bugs to a particular person because all developers are volunteers
11:03:30 <colonelqubit> but floeff is always very busy, so perhaps there's someone else who should be notified about this bug?
11:03:42 <pmladek> colonelqubit: so, they just put them into CC, so they are aware; most voluteers are responsible and take care of them when time permits and when they feel that they could fix them
11:04:00 <floeff> i'm currently running amok migrating the website - anything urgent? otherwise please delay until next week
11:04:18 <pmladek> floeff: nothing urgent
11:04:21 <colonelqubit> floeff: disregard us :-)
11:04:54 <floeff> :) thx
11:04:58 * colonelqubit will use fl0eff instead
11:04:59 <floeff> trying to get wiki and website migrated
11:05:02 <floeff> lol :) np np
11:05:32 <colonelqubit> unless your IRC client is too smart and sees through my clever character disguise...
11:06:22 <colonelqubit> pmladek: Anyhow, I'll chat with jmadero or jorendc tomorrow about triaging
11:07:36 <pmladek> colonelqubit: yup. You might also want to join the QA call tomorrow.
11:08:01 * colonelqubit hates time zones
11:08:20 <colonelqubit> we should all just use UTC
11:08:48 <pmladek> colonelqubit: See https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda#Upcoming_Meeting
11:09:03 <colonelqubit> thanks, my fingers are tired and couldn't get there before you :-)
11:09:07 <pmladek> colonelqubit: You could call via skype, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Contact
11:10:40 <colonelqubit> thanks. I try to avoid using Skype whenever possible, but sometimes some clients have required it, so I installed a client on my tablet
11:11:09 <colonelqubit> looks like I can just use a # for my country
11:16:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60409] Event triggered incorrectly on BASE listbox
11:16:39 <pmladek> colonelqubit: Note that I am not sure if the country number is for free. At least the one for Czech Republic is not free => so I use skype :-)
11:17:24 <colonelqubit> pmladek: yep, fair enough
11:37:02 * colonelqubit waves at jorendc
11:37:08 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
11:37:14 <jorendc> :o isn't it there early in the morning :o?
11:37:21 * jorendc shocked
11:37:33 <colonelqubit> ummm...
11:37:58 <colonelqubit> if I don't believe in sleep, then I won't....zzzzzzzz
11:38:41 <jorendc> lol :p
11:38:46 <jorendc> what time is it over there?
11:39:52 <colonelqubit> 6ish
11:40:27 <jorendc> phew :)
11:40:49 * jorendc rubs in his eyes
11:41:07 <colonelqubit> pmladek mentioned the qa call, and I thought it was today for a bit
11:41:23 <colonelqubit> wasn't sure I'd be up for another 3 hours
11:41:33 <jorendc> I think QA call is tomorrow... unless I'm wrong
11:41:46 <colonelqubit> no, you're correct
11:41:47 <jorendc> I don't know or it's today the ESC call
11:41:57 <jorendc> oh ok :)
11:42:07 <colonelqubit> 27 hours sounds like just the right amount of sleep
11:42:28 <jorendc> 27 hours awake, or 27 hours in bed :p?
11:42:59 <colonelqubit> I once slept nearly that long when I was sick
11:43:30 <colonelqubit> woke up...and *poof*, a whole day had disappeared.
11:45:18 <colonelqubit> oh, I finally grabbed a 4.0.0.3 build. Repro'd a bug and everything.
11:46:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60410] FILEOPEN: Importing Smartart from Word 2010 fail || [Bug 60411] CONFIGURATION: Writer don't remember the toolbars || [Bug 60412] CONFIGURATION: Add ability to show labels next to icons
11:46:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: mmh ... if you're suck it's quite 'normal' :)
11:46:50 <jorendc> nice colonelqubit :o
11:48:09 <colonelqubit> still writing down notes on that other Asksite bug
11:48:42 <jorendc> which asksite bug :)?
11:48:55 <jorendc> regarding the moderation queu?
11:50:44 <colonelqubit> no, the avatars one
11:53:16 <colonelqubit> fdo#60108
11:53:20 <IZBot> LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium NEW ASKLIBREOFFICE: Uploading avatar in Ask LibreOffice fails https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60108
11:53:41 <jorendc> oh yes :-)
11:53:55 <jorendc> I yesterday set that one as NEW for the stats ;-)
11:54:11 * jorendc still suffering of his stats addiction
11:57:42 <colonelqubit> lol
12:04:29 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Could you please go post a comment on this Answer?: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3598/is-there-a-wiki-style-playground-on-this-site/?answer=10826#post-id-10826
12:05:09 <colonelqubit> (just want to check to see if I broke the moderation queue...)
12:05:32 <jorendc> sure; In a minute colonelqubit
12:05:47 <colonelqubit> yeps, yeps
12:08:01 <jorendc> pfff, the ask site is still quite slow when you press the 'post answer' button
12:08:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: done :)
12:08:12 <colonelqubit> danke
12:08:58 <colonelqubit> no worries. everything worked out
12:09:21 <jorendc> good to hear that :D
12:09:25 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yep, I've seen that slowness as well
12:09:39 <colonelqubit> doesn't seem to be getting any worse, right?
12:11:21 <jorendc> no, I think I need to wait as long as previous time (a couple days/week ago)
12:12:28 <colonelqubit> yeah, I mentioned the problem to Alex. Let's sit on it until the site is upgraded -- hopefully the upgrade will fix everything
12:13:05 <jorendc> there is a promising upgrade in the queue :)?
12:13:58 <colonelqubit> well, there's an upgrade at least
12:14:02 <colonelqubit> :P
12:14:07 <jorendc> :D oh ok
12:14:11 <jorendc> btw, website is down ...
12:14:26 <jorendc> (the libreofice.org I mean)
12:14:28 <jorendc> not the ask :p
12:14:37 <jorendc> ... and that'll only say one thing ...
12:14:37 <colonelqubit> yeah, just figured that out
12:14:49 <jorendc> 4.0 :D
12:15:59 <colonelqubit> "fl0eff: i'm currently running amok migrating the website - anything urgent? otherwise please delay until next week"
12:16:28 <colonelqubit> "fl0eff: trying to get wiki and website migrated"
12:16:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60413] Images in header disappear in word 2011 after save to word 97 format || [Bug 60414] VIEWING: Responsive layout || [Bug 60415] Pasting from Google Images || [Bug 60416] UI: Page selection
12:17:07 <colonelqubit> Hopefully 4.0 soon
12:17:18 <jorendc> yeps :p
12:17:31 <colonelqubit> you can take a look here: http://askbot.org/en/questions/
12:17:42 <jorendc> In the dev channel: <th0rst3n> _r3n3_: kermit went for the restroom, to be ready for the big moment ;
12:18:09 <jorendc> oh, new interface etc?
12:19:08 <colonelqubit> I think that's running the latest software
12:19:36 <colonelqubit> can't wait for the power to turn comments into answers
12:19:59 <jorendc> colonelqubit: website is back live :D
12:20:41 <colonelqubit> hmm...it's there:  https://www.libreoffice.org/download/
12:21:06 <colonelqubit> ohhh, right. The splashy page will be added later today
12:22:44 <jorendc> yes indeed :)
12:23:00 <colonelqubit> is the wiki as slow for you as it is for me?
12:23:45 <jorendc> mmh, that's possible ... because if I'm right the website and wiki runs on the same server
12:23:49 <jorendc> (-> kermit)
12:24:54 <colonelqubit> assuming fl0eff was successful, then the....oops
12:25:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes I can confirm that slowness
12:25:11 <colonelqubit> Internal Server Error.
12:25:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm not going to try again/further
12:26:05 <jorendc> I'll not browse to the website in the whole day :p...
12:26:23 <jorendc> just to not spend any bandwidth for other users/downloaders ;-)
12:27:30 <colonelqubit> right. I guess now would be an inopportune time for me to try to look up some docs on the wiki :P
12:27:56 <jorendc> ;-) you might do that :p... but I'm not going to do that
12:42:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can Libre Office 3.6 open a Microsoft Publisher file (.pub)? I've read somewhere that it can but cannot get ours to do. Thanks.
12:46:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60419] Big documents, containing a big content.xml consumes lots of memory and CPU and might even freeze || [Bug 60418] [FILEOPEN PERFORMANCE] Specific document needs a very long time to load and a lot
13:00:41 <jorendc> hehe colonelqubit :p ... one 'good' thing of the fact that the website is down ...
13:00:52 <jorendc> the easiest way to report a bug isn't possible anymore :D
13:01:08 <jorendc> so ... :p less incomming UNCONFIRMED for a moment :p
13:01:11 <colonelqubit> right
13:01:13 * jorendc little cheers
13:01:28 <colonelqubit> but that might mean more bugs reported on the Ask site
13:01:33 * colonelqubit shakes his fist at jorendc
13:01:49 <jorendc> haha :D; true
13:02:38 <colonelqubit> I need to add a "Please file a bug instead" button to the admin interface...
13:15:37 <jorendc> mmh, I think that'll be indeed a great feature
13:15:42 <jorendc> with some default text :)
13:17:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60420] Copy chart leads to crash
13:22:17 <colonelqubit> jorendc: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11527/common-errors-in-libre-office-4003/
13:23:06 <colonelqubit> Something about assistive tools?
13:23:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: euhm... do you understand what he's trying to say :p
13:23:35 <jorendc> mmh, I'll search for it
13:24:58 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I found a wiki page
13:25:02 <jorendc> of libreoffice :p
13:25:06 <jorendc> but euh ... it's quite down I think
13:25:22 <jorendc> so I'll put that question on my todo list. I'll see what I can do there
13:27:38 * colonelqubit laughs
13:34:25 <pje335_NL> hi all
13:35:12 <pje335_NL> does you all got problems with reating the irc on the website? and i can't reads the wiki page some one problems as well?
13:35:44 <jorendc> pje335_NL: that's correct
13:35:54 <jorendc> pje335_NL: LibreOffice 4.0 is released...
13:36:08 <jorendc> pje335_NL: and the servers are swamped with download requests
13:36:29 <pje335_NL> haha oke
13:36:39 <pje335_NL> ow oke but on the irc page there is the release note not the irc
13:36:44 <jorendc> pje335_NL: ... so the only thing you can do is try not to refresh the page (as much as possible) and just wait in patience
13:37:09 <pje335_NL> yes i went to webchat.freenode.net
13:37:24 <pje335_NL> auto refresh tweak <3
13:37:33 <jorendc> quote from fl0eff status update. load on old kermit has gone, now doing the mysql dump, then making website editable again, then bringing wiki online again. problem with some local sites is known, cloph is working on it.
13:37:59 <jorendc> mmh, the webchat.freenode.net is also down/slow?
13:38:38 <pje335_NL> nono its up but the irc page on libreoffice.org is releases note not a irc page
13:39:59 <jorendc> oh ok
13:41:59 <pje335_NL> irc is back :)]
13:43:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Online translation
13:48:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60415] Pasting from Google Images result in freeze/slowness
14:13:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't Import Publisher Business Card
14:18:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60421] Save as HTML creates faulty document || [Bug 60422] This .docx file created by LibreOffice does not open in word
14:43:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libobasis4.0-en-gb and Install Help || Cannot save documents on a network mount/share using Linux writer || How can I extract the BMP from a META_BMPSCALE_ACTION or SVM file
14:55:22 <floeff> +++ INFRA +++ short status update: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.website/10029
15:12:17 <jorendc> hi jmadero
15:13:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how do I set up so I can print coupons || How to return null/empty from function in calc || Libreoffice 4, cannot install on xp sp2
15:13:46 <jmadero> jorendc: long time no talk
15:13:59 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Some questions... I just don't understand: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11557/how-do-i-set-up-so-i-can-print-coupons/
15:14:13 <jorendc> indeed; I just saw that ESC call starts now jmadero
15:14:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'll have a look now :)
15:14:30 <colonelqubit> lol
15:14:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: mmh ... coupons :p euh
15:15:06 <colonelqubit> Configure -> papersize -> Coupon
15:16:05 <jorendc> Format > page > page-tab I suppose
15:16:24 <jorendc> and then File > Printer Settings
15:16:29 <colonelqubit> oh, are they creating coupons?
15:17:02 <jorendc> don't know for sure ... but I guess you need to set first the correct page settings to print it that way
15:17:29 <jorendc> and in File > printer settings > options/configuration they can play a bit ...
15:17:45 <jorendc> but I don't know which size the coupons are ... but I hope they're that smart they know it :p
15:19:42 <jorendc> jmadero: how are you mate :)?
15:20:10 <jorendc> I did see your mail this night, I couldn't add more things then you did. I think you did great!
15:27:16 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Looks like some people are getting corrupted installer files.
15:27:26 <colonelqubit> could just be a fluke, or could be like this: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2550/35-corrupted-cab/
15:27:30 <jmadero> jorendc: I'm doing well :) I am going to add a regression set on the stats
15:27:35 <jmadero> but in general I'm happy with it
15:28:11 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that are quite old bugs ... (may 2012) ...
15:28:29 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11555/libreoffice-4-cannot-install-on-xp-sp2/
15:28:35 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm more interested in the release of 4.0
15:28:51 <colonelqubit> in the one I first linked, it appeared that a mirror had a corrupt file
15:29:15 <colonelqubit> just want to make sure that doesn't happen again, during the 4.0 release
15:29:19 <jmadero> jorendc: back up to 35 bugs
15:29:23 <jmadero> I'll work on those a bit today
15:29:29 <jmadero> goal is to get it back down to 25
15:29:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that's possible. it's also possible the download is just stoped somewhere at the end. I had that too once
15:30:05 <jorendc> colonelqubit: just ask them to download it again
15:30:20 <colonelqubit> sure, sure.
15:30:32 <colonelqubit> just mentioning it.
15:30:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I don't know you're watching dev channel: <WindowsUser> thorsten, installed fine on a fairly clean XP, too
15:30:39 <jorendc> <WindowsUser> (one that certainly does not have .NET 4, so any claim that we would require .NET 4 is FUD;)
15:30:40 <jorendc> <WindowsUser> or out-dated
15:30:55 <jorendc> <thorsten> WindowsUser / anyone else with windows readily available - can you quickly try the official binaries for 4.0.0 (which got renamed from 4.0.0.3 to 4.0.0) - there is a report they complain about not being 4.0.0.3?
15:30:55 <jorendc> <WindowsUser> thorsten, a moment
15:31:16 <jorendc> he couldn't find any problems; so I think it's just a not-complete-downloaded-binary-file :p
15:31:30 <jorendc> jmadero: good to hear that :d
15:31:52 <jorendc> jmadero: yes ... the number is back up again :(
15:32:20 <jorendc> jmadero: I did a -20 yesterday in approximate 3,5 hours :p
15:32:22 <jmadero> colonelqubit: you mind if I send the stats your way, looking for additional items that might be useful
15:32:27 <jmadero> jorendc: nice :-D
15:32:38 <jorendc> :D
15:32:39 <jmadero> I worked on the stats yesterday unfortunately that spent most of my time
15:32:39 <colonelqubit> jmadero: sure
15:32:45 <jmadero> colonelqubit: can I get an email address
15:33:38 <jmadero> or you can email me
15:33:40 <jmadero> and I'll just respond
15:35:09 <jmadero> I wonder if total comments would be useful
15:35:11 <jmadero> and comments per day
15:36:31 <colonelqubit> I'd have to review the current stats to get an idea of what we might want to add
15:37:40 <jorendc> jmadero: I think that'll be useful :)
15:37:40 <jmadero> we don't have current stats ;)
15:38:11 <jmadero> but marketing team has asked multiple times that we keep stats
15:38:15 <colonelqubit> ah, I see
15:38:42 <colonelqubit> I think I'm still on the US marketing list. It's just very quiet in there
15:38:56 <jmadero> yeah I don't really follow marketing
15:39:06 <colonelqubit> The marketing list, I mean. The US is quite different...
15:40:08 <jorendc> mmh ... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60424
15:40:10 <IZBot> bug 60424: LibreOffice-Installation major/medium UNCONFIRMED Installs incorrect language
15:41:31 <jmadero> WTH
15:41:37 <jmadero> I figured out issue with AOO bug tracker
15:41:57 <jmadero> when you don't manually select status', it limits to only 3 status'
15:42:09 <jmadero> oh I see, dammit, I've been pulling the wrong list
15:42:17 <jmadero> oh well, will fix that today to get comparison stats
15:42:40 <jorendc> hehe :s that's a pitty :s
15:43:32 <colonelqubit> jorendc: re 60424, at least they start with the same letter...
15:43:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Installation results in Errors 1335 "The cabinet file 'libreoffice1.cab' required for this installation is corrupt and cannot be used" and 2350
15:45:27 <jorendc> colonelqubit: true :p
15:46:48 <jorendc> jmadero: colonelqubit: lol check http://www.libreoffice.org/
15:47:53 <jmadero> it's been released?
15:47:55 <jmadero> lol
15:48:01 <jmadero> man I miss these announcements
15:48:23 <jorendc> jmadero: :o it's released 4 hours ago :p
15:48:46 <jmadero> shit, jorendc can you find the announcement for me
15:48:47 <jmadero> asap
15:48:49 <jmadero> it's not on FDO
15:48:52 <jmadero> nor on BSA
15:48:53 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry, 3 hours
15:48:54 <jmadero> (My mistake!)
15:49:15 <jmadero> I need the official version number
15:49:20 <jmadero> is it 4.0.0.4 release?
15:49:42 <jorendc> jmadero: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00142.html
15:49:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60424] Installs incorrect language || [Bug 60418] FILEOPEN and EDITING particular .odt with excessive lots of Comments causes heavy CPU and memory load
15:49:52 <jorendc> no, 4.0.0 I suppose
15:50:38 <jorendc> I didn't install it yet (I'm still seeding the torrent :p)
15:50:59 <jorendc> I uploaded +2.5GB :p
15:51:28 <jorendc> that are approximate 15 LibreOffice installs :p
15:58:47 <jmadero> it's 4.0.0.3 release
16:00:45 <jorendc> oh really?
16:01:11 <pje335> hha
16:03:17 <jmadero> yeah it is the last rc that was put out ;)
16:03:22 <jmadero> it just changes from rc to release
16:04:15 <pje335> yes i notis wen i instald it on my mams pc
16:04:39 <pje335> for v5 i hope there wil be a buildin updater
16:04:50 <jorendc> pje335: we all hope that :p
16:05:19 <pje335> evry time downloading for 15 pc's -,-
16:05:29 <jorendc> but I think v5 is a little bit long to wait ... in several months there will be a 4.1 .. 4.2 ... 4.3 ... 4.4 ... :p
16:05:40 <jorendc> pje335: ... USB stick? share it on your network?
16:06:04 <floeff> +++ INFRA +++ wiki migration in progress, old wiki is read only atm
16:06:10 <pje335> i wil use a usb stick but it isn't in my network
16:06:33 <jorendc> :)
16:06:46 <jorendc> pje335:  you have 15 pc's where you'll install LO on :-)?
16:07:03 <pje335> dad,mom,grandpa,grandma,friends D:
16:07:11 <jorendc> pje335: nice :D
16:07:14 <pje335> :D
16:07:45 <pje335> becaUSE Like 100euro for ms office *5 = 500 euro and this is free
16:08:13 <jorendc> pje335: indeed ... and 100 euro EVERY year :o
16:08:42 <jorendc> pje335: and it's more effective when all your friends/family members use LibreOffice. Then you can share your documents in ODF file format
16:08:50 <jorendc> no data/formatting loss et
16:08:51 <jorendc> etc*
16:09:25 <pje335> i don't use odf because on school we can't read odf and the say: Thomas you didin't fo your home work :D
16:09:26 <jmadero> I'll be back in half hour or so
16:09:32 <pje335> later
16:09:39 <jorendc> sure jmadero
16:10:10 <jorendc> pje335: you can use the 'export to PDF' feature :)...
16:10:22 <pje335> yes but docx works fine for me
16:10:31 <jorendc> pje335: if the teacher doesn't need to alter something in the document... I think that's one of the best options
16:11:17 <pje335> the want a docx because the can edit it inred and send it back so i can see what i did wrong :D
16:13:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Do I need to uninstall Microsoft Ofc 97 before installing Libre Ofc - will they conflict?
16:19:53 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60421] HTML: missing margin-top property on export || [Bug 60425] This document is very slow to go due to a picture || [Bug 60426] Make Upgrade default in Windows 7 || [Bug 60427] Missing ZWNJ support for German ligature handling
16:22:44 <pje335_NL> need to go to my grand pa updating LO and then eating pancakes :)
16:42:23 <jmadero> jorendc: where'd all the bugs go?!
16:42:34 <jorendc> hi jmadero
16:42:37 <jorendc> jmadero: what do you mean?
16:42:54 <jmadero> we're down to 23
16:42:57 <jmadero> -12 in half an hour
16:43:53 <jorendc> really :p?
16:43:54 <jmadero> ESC must have been listening ;)
16:43:57 <jorendc> maybe because of ESC
16:43:59 <jorendc> indeed :p
16:44:00 <jmadero> yeah
16:45:12 <jorendc> 1431 bugs found. :p *sigh*
16:48:22 <jmadero> jorendc: that list is so harde to tackle....
16:48:32 <jmadero> our best bet is the QA triaging contest
16:49:18 <jorendc> yes indeed
16:49:28 <jmadero> ahh I hate my f'ing job
16:49:29 <jmadero> lol
16:49:39 <jorendc> bad day :p?
16:49:49 <jmadero> just got here and already starting, my boss is going to be 3 hours late
16:49:53 <jmadero> I don't even know why I show up
16:50:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60428] Duplex Printing - HP Officejet Pro 8600 Plus
16:50:30 <jorendc> loool :D
16:50:50 <jorendc> so you can reproduce many bugs *hint hint* :D
16:52:21 <jmadero> yeah but his boss sits right next to me
16:52:29 <jmadero> and she doesn't care at all that he's late all the f'ing time
16:52:31 <jmadero> god I hate this place
16:53:00 <jorendc> :p I understand your frustartion
16:54:21 <jmadero> he also gets paid even when he's not here, I don't
16:54:24 <jmadero> I'm about to just quit
16:56:10 <jorendc> lol, really?
16:56:52 <jorendc> being payed even if you don't show up ... mmmmh
16:56:54 <jmadero> back to LibreOffice stuff, you're right, I'll just get paid to volunteer
16:57:06 <jmadero> he gets vacation and comp time so he uses those, I don't get any benefits
16:57:08 <jmadero> not even sick days
16:57:14 <jmadero> sorry venting, shouldn't do it here
16:59:07 <jmadero> -2 more ;)
17:05:27 * jorendc brb
17:13:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Check if within a range of cells (a row) there is at least a blank cell
17:14:13 <jmadero> jorendc: maybe interesting for you to tackle https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60379
17:14:15 <IZBot> bug 60379: LibreOffice-Presentation minor/high NEW Impress Remote: Options look disabled
17:20:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60429] Error while running libreoffice4.0 : no suitable windowing system found, exiting. || [Bug 60430] UI shows "Delete comment" in context menu althoug it's impossible because of protected section || [Bug 60431] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: Error Message after change from not existing Version to existing one
17:44:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Paste into calc search mac does not work?
18:11:53 <floeff> +++ INFRA +++ wiki back to read only mode on new server, switch to edit soon
18:14:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problems Upgrading 3.6.1 to 3.6.2 || LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 Install error in Windows 7 x64
18:16:46 <jmadero> ertai_NL: morning
18:18:36 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :)
18:20:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60432] Libvisio: On import of Visio diagrams lines should be imported as draw connectors || [Bug 60433] Libvisio: Import of Visio document Page Setup is incorrect
18:23:14 <floeff> +++ INFRA +++ currently updating wiki to the most recent version; if all goes well then re-enabling editing, can only be a matter of minutes
18:24:19 <jmadero> jorendc: did about 10 bugs
18:24:27 <jorendc> jmadero: :o
18:24:29 <jorendc> Great job :o!
18:24:41 <jmadero> haha when the count is < 100, I'll say great job for everyone
18:24:46 <jmadero> until then, barely treading water
18:24:54 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm still struggling with that SDK thing
18:25:01 <jmadero> glad I didn't accept that one
18:25:13 <jorendc> haha :D
18:29:47 * jorendc cheers. SDK is succesfully installed etc \o/
18:33:21 <jmadero> jorendc: sweet
18:34:02 <floeff> +++ INFRA +++ wiki should be up and running and editable again ( ping mmeeks )
18:35:32 <jorendc> now try to install it on my phone :p
18:46:37 <ertai_NL> jmadero: evening
18:46:50 <ertai_NL> jorendc: hi
18:46:55 <jorendc> :-) hi
18:46:59 <jorendc> had a nice day ?
18:47:04 <ertai_NL> yes
18:47:17 <ertai_NL> LO 4.0 .. :p
18:48:34 <jorendc> :D indeed
18:48:52 <jmadero> I need to get much better about seeing release dates
18:48:52 <jmadero> haha
18:48:58 <jmadero> I didn't know until jorendc told me it was released
18:49:35 <jorendc> :p
18:51:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60435] EDITING: Error bars of charts from Calc DISAPPEARS when copy/pasting into Writer, Impress or Draw || [Bug 60436] Cannot remove toolbars easily
19:14:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Mac 4.0 won't open document
19:27:41 <jorendc> wow, the donations got a boost :-)
19:28:21 <pje335_NL> nice 75 k ?
19:29:10 <jmadero> SOB I hate wiki formatting
19:29:15 <jmadero> jorendc: you any good with formatting on wiki
19:29:33 <jorendc> not that great, but I can try
19:29:36 <jorendc> yes indeed pje335_NL
19:29:46 <pje335_NL> don't got paypal or credit card so cant donate'-,-
19:29:49 <jmadero> the current agenda is all screwed up and I can't figure out why
19:30:19 <jorendc> you don't need a credit card to donate :-)
19:30:26 <jorendc> you can also do it by bank transfer etc
19:30:31 <jorendc> but don't worry ;-)
19:30:58 <pje335_NL> wel 75k so 20 euro won't make a difrent :D
19:31:10 <jmadero> 50 cents makes a difference
19:31:22 <jmadero> if every one of our users gave 10 cents we'd have millions
19:31:32 <jorendc> agreed with jmadero ^^
19:31:38 <pje335_NL> ow oke
19:31:49 <pje335_NL> but what do they do with 75 k
19:32:00 <jmadero> pje335_NL: infrastrucutre, conferences, etc...
19:32:12 <jmadero> and we have a single paid person on staff, he's the "hero of heroes"
19:32:14 <jmadero> that should be his title
19:32:25 <jmadero> and he's quite underpaid ;)
19:32:44 <jorendc> hehe :D multiple agreed with that
19:32:59 <jorendc> what he's doing is unbelievable
19:33:06 <jmadero> jorendc: screwed up wiki is https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda
19:33:21 <jorendc> mmh :p jmadero
19:33:28 <jmadero> pje335_NL: for instance he just ported over our ENTIRE WEBSITE to a new nifty setup
19:33:32 <jorendc> Oh yeah, I'll probably not present at QA call
19:33:51 <jmadero> ah, it might be a dead call then, I may just ajourn it
19:33:52 <pje335_NL> oke
19:34:04 <jorendc> jmadero: pje335_NL: and don't forgot to mention he did that in a minimum of time without documentation
19:34:13 <jorendc> :)
19:34:15 <jmadero> actually I am going to send out a notice now I think
19:34:22 <jmadero> without you and Bjoern, actions are quite limited
19:34:26 <jmadero> and discussion is quite limited
19:34:54 <jorendc> ok
19:35:08 <jmadero> jorendc: do you agree?
19:35:10 <jorendc> jmadero: you're still working on wiki? or can I have a look
19:35:12 <jorendc> jmadero: sure
19:35:19 <jmadero> (waking up at 5:30 am for a dead call is a pain for me)
19:35:20 <jmadero> haha
19:35:27 <jorendc> agreed :D
19:35:34 <jmadero> I'm not on the wiki any longer
19:36:10 <jmadero> jorendc: this being said, there is one action item which we need to discuss
19:36:15 <jmadero> and hopefully deal with in the next week (I promised ESC)
19:36:16 <jmadero> ;)
19:36:31 <jorendc> jmadero: we can discuss it now?
19:36:41 <jmadero> jorendc: sure, give me just a minute
19:36:50 <jorendc> or is that regarding the NEEDINFO status?
19:36:54 <jmadero> pje335_NL: this will be for you also ;)
19:37:13 <jmadero> no not about NEEDINFO
19:37:26 <jorendc> k :)
19:37:35 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37361
19:37:37 <IZBot> bug 37361: LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/highest NEW LibreOffice 3.5 most annoying bugs
19:37:53 <jmadero> we need to go through the open bugs on that list, test on 3.6.+, confirm they still exist, and then decide if they are indeed a MAB
19:38:02 <jmadero> if they are, change the MAB on them to 3.6 instead of 3.5
19:38:21 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44446
19:38:23 <IZBot> bug 44446: LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/medium NEW LibreOffice 3.6 most annoying bugs
19:38:35 <jmadero> ESC wants to close 3.5 MAB as soon as possible
19:38:41 <jmadero> in order to do that we must deal with those open bugs
19:39:36 <pje335_NL> what was trying to donate
19:39:59 <pje335_NL> need to get them reproduecd?
19:40:32 <jorendc> jmadero: can you check wiki after this :)
19:41:04 <jorendc> ok jmadero :-). Will do
19:41:19 <jorendc> pje335_NL: yes, and if still reproducible change the MAB to 3.6
19:41:44 <jorendc> jmadero: pje335_NL: I'll start at the end
19:41:48 <pje335_NL> me 2
19:44:21 <jmadero> hold on, just because it's reproducible does not mean 3.6 MAB
19:44:30 <jmadero> some of those maybe got on the 3.5 MAB list without actually being a MAB
19:44:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO 4.0.0.3 and Ubuntu 12.04 menu non-integration
19:44:39 <jmadero> first confirm, once it's confirmed, quick discussion to see if it's still a MAB
19:45:15 <pje335_NL> i am test on 4.0 not 3.6 thats good?
19:45:44 <jorendc> pje335_NL: that's right :-)... we need to test these in 4.0 :p
19:45:50 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53365 still reproducible
19:45:53 <IZBot> bug 53365: LibreOffice-filters and storage normal/high NEW FILESAVE particular .docx as odt: Formula no longer editable
19:46:05 <pje335_NL> me 2
19:46:08 <jorendc> summary: when saving that to odt, I can't alter 1 formula
19:46:44 <jorendc> jmadero: ... is not a crash/not data loss (although you can't edit it anymore)
19:46:57 <jorendc> jmadero: pje335_NL: you agree to change it to MAB3.6?
19:47:12 <jorendc> btw pje335_NL ... please start somewhere in the middle :-)... we don't need to do work twice
19:47:19 <pje335_NL> what mab again
19:47:23 <pje335_NL> oke i wil do
19:47:23 <jmadero> most annoying bug
19:47:33 <jmadero> one that affects a lot of people and is particularly annoying
19:47:44 <pje335_NL> oow oke
19:48:43 <jmadero> jorendc: yeah I'd say that's a MAB
19:48:48 <jorendc> ok
19:48:51 <jmadero> could affect a lot of people
19:48:59 <jmadero> and it's our own format
19:49:09 <jorendc> btw: 44446 is the mab3.6 list :)
19:49:16 <jorendc> just for practical reasons ;-)
19:49:21 <jmadero> pje335_NL: ^^
19:49:23 <jmadero> :)
19:49:26 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: do you want to come to the dutch hackfest?
19:49:37 <pje335_NL> what is that
19:49:40 <jmadero> what about me??
19:49:57 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NL/bijeenkomst_13-03-02
19:50:12 <ertai_NL> jmadero: you can also come if you want.. but there is no traveler refund
19:50:20 <jmadero> haha
19:50:25 <jorendc> haha ertai_NL :'-)
19:50:30 <jmadero> I will be there in spirit ;)
19:50:36 <ertai_NL> good
19:50:51 <jmadero> if someone could do a short write up for blog, that would be good
19:50:58 <jmadero> maybe a picture of thousands of coders hard at work
19:50:58 <jmadero> ;)
19:51:01 <pje335_NL> thats in begium isn't it
19:51:16 <ertai_NL> ye
19:51:17 <ertai_NL> +s
19:51:35 <jorendc> lol jmadero ... remove a 3.5 bug to 3.6 MAB ... euh ... that result in sending about 100 mails :'-)
19:51:40 * jorendc is officially a spammer
19:51:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60440] [CALC] Bottom side of the formula bar is not displayed. || [Bug 60441] FILESAVE: Calc lost comments when more time save file ods
19:52:13 <jmadero> jorendc: so be it
19:52:18 <jmadero> ESC specifically asked us to do this, so they know
19:52:32 <jorendc> :p
19:52:32 <pje335_NL> ertai_NL: i don't think i can be there because i am at my moms house 200 a way
19:52:35 <jorendc> sure
19:52:50 <pje335_NL> but maby i can we by me dad who lives near mechelen
19:52:58 <jorendc> god dammit ... why I'm getting all database bugs :')
19:53:26 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: where do you live?
19:53:48 <pje335_NL> Emmeloord, Noordoostpolder, Flevoland, Nederland
19:53:55 <pje335_NL> and my dad near mechelen
19:54:17 <pje335_NL> 210 km
19:54:19 <ertai_NL> emmeloord is indeed far away
19:55:06 <pje335_NL> i can ask my dad to be there then
19:55:27 <ertai_NL> that would be great
19:56:07 <pje335_NL> but i can't garentere
19:56:57 <ertai_NL> we'll see
19:57:01 <pje335_NL> yes
19:57:11 <pje335_NL> back to worj
20:03:12 <pje335_NL> need to go bb all
20:06:10 <jmadero> removed 1 from MAB
20:06:16 <jmadero> we don't have to discuss every bug
20:06:22 <jmadero> if you think for sure it is, just mark as such
20:06:25 <jmadero> ask if there are questions
20:06:35 <jmadero> discussing every bug will be a major time sap
20:06:40 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34436
20:06:42 <IZBot> bug 34436: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW TABLES text in cells behaves wrong when rotated
20:06:42 <jmadero> I took that one off the ilst
20:07:02 <jorendc> sure jmadero :)
20:07:25 <jorendc> jmadero: what if I can't reproduce anymore because of other warning messages/bad behavior :p?
20:07:26 <jmadero> let me know if that comment is polite enough
20:07:27 <jmadero> that I left at the end
20:07:36 <jmadero> jorendc: lol....hm
20:07:42 <jmadero> good question haha
20:07:48 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554 <- see comment I made
20:07:50 <IZBot> bug 51554: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high NEW Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
20:08:36 <jorendc> jmadero: agreed with your comment :-)
20:08:37 <jorendc> jmadero: nice
20:10:08 <jmadero> jorendc: I would mark as NEEDINFO because of the new issue and I would move it to 3.6 MAB assuming it's still an issue
20:10:12 <jmadero> nvm
20:10:23 <jorendc> jmadero: I put it on my todo list
20:10:25 <jmadero> no NEEDINFO, just move it as Michael placed it on the list to begin with
20:10:40 <jorendc> ok
20:10:54 <jmadero> I would just remove it from 3.5 MAB, after the reporter comments and you can confirm, place on 3.6 MAB
20:11:01 <jmadero> with a comment explaining that
20:11:09 <jorendc> sure thanks jmadero
20:11:15 <jmadero> since Michael put it on the MAB, I wouldn't argue that it's not one :)
20:11:21 <jmadero> but confirming it is importnat
20:11:56 <jorendc> jmadero: do I need to comment it more then I did?
20:12:12 <jorendc> michael meeks explained it already on that list
20:12:15 <jmadero> yeah since you are removing from MAB, make sure to say that "once I can reproduce I will add it to 3.6 MAB"
20:12:19 <jorendc> on that bug*
20:12:37 <jorendc> ow :s I already put it on the MAB3.6 :s
20:12:38 <jorendc> my bad
20:12:46 <jmadero> haha that's fine
20:12:49 <jmadero> leave it there ;)
20:12:51 <jorendc> And I'm not going to remove it and put it back :D
20:12:57 <jmadero> yeah, it's good
20:13:00 <jorendc> I'm a spammer ... but not THAT big spammer :p
20:13:05 <jmadero> haha
20:13:08 <jorendc> ;-)
20:13:09 <jmadero> I forgot about all the emails
20:14:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why are there no "obsolete data formats" supportet by LibreOffice 4.0.0.3?
20:15:24 * jorendc waves to colonelqubit
20:15:32 * colonelqubit waves back
20:16:18 <colonelqubit> jorendc: and I was thinking about attending... (sleep is nice, too :-)
20:16:43 <jorendc> jmadero: ^^ :)
20:19:14 <jmadero> colonelqubit: you should attend ;)
20:21:14 <jmadero> 21 bugs remaining
20:21:18 <jmadero> easy
20:21:19 <jmadero> ;)
20:22:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60443] when data copied from a website with images and pasted in liber office writer images or not || [Bug 60442] FORMATTING Currency format does not turn red when number is calculated
20:23:36 <colonelqubit> jmadero: I thought you cancelled the QA call...
20:24:51 <jmadero> I did
20:24:54 <jmadero> oh
20:24:55 <jmadero> haha
20:24:57 <jmadero> I thought you meant hackfest
20:24:58 <jmadero> hahaha
20:25:06 <jmadero> yeah I canceled it, unless there are objections
20:25:09 <colonelqubit> noprob
20:25:23 <jmadero> our agenda is quite lengthy and more voices are probably good for some of the items
20:25:53 <jmadero> + me waking up at 5:45am and risk only 2 people being in call.....
20:25:54 <jmadero> haha
20:28:04 <floeff> New website is online now! :)
20:28:17 <jorendc> wow :o !!!!!
20:28:23 <jorendc> jmadero: colonelqubit ^^
20:28:33 <jorendc> http://libreoffice.org
20:28:36 <jmadero> floeff: thanks again for your great work
20:28:55 <jorendc> jmadero: +1
20:30:41 <colonelqubit> floeff: looks good
20:31:56 <floeff> it'S amazing, camille did ad fantastic job
20:32:06 <jmadero> yeah it really is amazing
20:32:15 <jmadero> I didn't realize it'd be such a massive change
20:33:40 <jmadero> okay all I am signing off for a bit
20:33:48 <jmadero> been on 4 hours at work ;0
20:34:03 <jmadero> good job all on a successful release
20:34:33 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :-). Have a nice day
20:44:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why are there no "obsolete data formats" supported by LibreOffice 4.0.0.3? || Connect Base to Access 2013 database
20:51:09 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you fixed that issue about the wrong HTML header (where OpenOffice is mentioned instead of LibreOffice)
20:55:21 <colonelqubit> no, not yet
20:55:26 <colonelqubit> or is it fixed in 4.0?
20:56:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/filter/source/xslt/odf2xhtml/export/xhtml/header.xsl#330
20:56:07 <jorendc> no
20:57:18 <colonelqubit> okay, I'll try to go fix it at some time. Who should I ping about having that file hosted somewhere?
20:57:56 <jorendc> what do you mean by 'having that file hosted'?
20:58:08 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you have the source on your pc?
20:58:21 <jorendc> if so, you can change it and push your changes to gerrit
20:59:48 <jorendc> hi CorNouws :)
20:59:57 <CorNouws> hi jorendc!
21:00:11 <jorendc> it was an excited day, isn't it ;-)
21:00:19 <CorNouws> jorendc: thanks for the work you did on the site
21:00:28 <CorNouws> jorendc: yes, and not yet to an end too :-)
21:00:33 <jorendc> CorNouws: don't mind. Didn't do that much
21:01:15 <jorendc> CorNouws: one more thing... isn't it better to change the title from '4-0-0-nieuwe-functies-verbeteringen' to '4-0-nieuwe-functies-verbeteringen'
21:01:36 <jorendc> we also didn't say : '3.6.0 Functies' but '3.6 Functies'
21:01:49 <CorNouws> good idea. I'll be there later this evening. So can do it.
21:02:00 <jorendc> CorNouws: No problem. I'll do it :-)
21:02:34 <CorNouws> maybe only the title in the menu - the url already has been spread..
21:04:12 <jorendc> CorNouws: agreed. I'm now reverting that change :)
21:06:22 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Part of the question was whether we should host that XSL file ourselves, or by a neutral party
21:09:21 <jorendc> CorNouws: mmh, looks like I can't change the menu title without changing the title
21:09:50 <CorNouws> you can, but it's a bit un logic or so..
21:10:01 <jorendc> mmh
21:14:40 <jorendc> CorNouws: I think I fixed it... thanks to clearing my cache xD *stupid me*
21:15:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I can not open a Office 10 document correctly
21:20:10 <colonelqubit> jorendc: ^^^ directly to fdo?
21:20:22 <jorendc> sure colonelqubit :)
21:20:44 <colonelqubit> May I tell them to not pass go and not collect $200?
21:21:12 <colonelqubit> Actually, that would be a slick T-shirt for QA
21:21:32 <colonelqubit> "Do not pass go, do not collect $200, please go directly to the bugtracker and fill out a bug report"
21:22:12 <colonelqubit> couldn't make it official, esp. if we reused graphics from Monopoly.. :-)
21:22:39 <jorendc> lol
21:22:51 <jorendc> go back to start
21:27:45 <jorendc> mmmh colonelqubit ... I ran some test regarding that HTML bug you reported ...
21:28:03 <jorendc> When I export as xhtml -> <!--This file was converted to xhtml by LibreOffice - see http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/filter/source/xslt for the code.-->
21:28:51 <jorendc> can you confirm this using Libreoffice 4.0?
21:45:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Automatically place en (not em) dashes between numbers || conditional formatting and clearContents
21:53:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60444] VIEWING: Some Form Control's disapears when selecting near cell
22:25:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60446] SLIDESHOW: Custom Animation not working as expected or not working at all
22:47:04 <colonelqubit> jorendc: I will try to test later. in a meeting @now
22:47:21 <jorendc> sure; No hurry colonelqubit :)
22:55:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60448] SLIDESHOW: Hanging punctuation not displaying correctly || [Bug 60449] SLIDESHOW: Blinking hourglass seen during presentation || [Bug 60450] Printer list is missing its border in Print dialog || [Bug 60451] Paragraph cannot be longer than 65534 characters
23:15:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Will LibreOffice of my Microsoft 2004 documents?
23:27:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60452] FORMATTING: Characters with Outline Font Effect printing very pale || [Bug 60453] PRINTING: FEATURE: Current page option should be added to the printing dialogue || [Bug 60454] : libreoffice1.cab is corrupt
23:30:59 <jorendc> howly mowly ... the users found our BSA ^^ colonelqubit
23:33:17 * colonelqubit tries to looks innocent
23:34:19 <colonelqubit> I was trying to share the love with you and jmadero
23:34:54 <colonelqubit> guess what? more stats for you! :-)
23:35:43 <jorendc> colonelqubit: :'-) haha
23:36:10 * colonelqubit is such a giving guy...
23:36:28 <jorendc> indeed
23:36:34 * colonelqubit tries to give away all his work..
23:36:38 <colonelqubit> :P
23:36:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: if you could do the same with money in Africa ... the world would be better :)
23:36:48 <jorendc> haha
23:36:59 <jorendc> colonelqubit: noo noo, please keep it on the ask site
23:37:00 <jorendc> ;-)
23:37:11 <jorendc> just create a second kind of FDO there ;-)
23:37:25 <colonelqubit> using just the tags?
23:38:27 <colonelqubit> don't tempt me
23:38:40 <jorendc> hehe D
23:39:08 <colonelqubit> there is a devilish piece of my mind that constructs amazingly complex and highly terrifying hacks to fix things.
23:39:42 <colonelqubit> doing it in the real world was quite enough, but then I started doing it in code....
23:39:44 <jorendc> mmh, keep it in your mind please :D
23:40:20 <colonelqubit> speaking of hacks, let me go test that bug
23:40:29 <colonelqubit> one less thing to fix sounds marvelous to me
23:44:55 <colonelqubit> Oooooh
23:45:03 <jorendc> fixed :)?
23:45:05 <colonelqubit> the HTML export is rather pretty
23:45:21 <colonelqubit> all formatted nicely with hard returns and indentation
23:45:33 <jorendc> No more OO-waste in the html :p?
23:45:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Microsoft Word's "Normal view" in Writer
23:45:37 <colonelqubit> And it's very concise.
23:45:39 <jorendc> ooh nice :)
23:46:14 <colonelqubit> well, that was just SaveAs -> HTML
23:46:37 <colonelqubit> lemme test xhtml next
23:46:53 <jorendc> I tested with File > export > xhtml
23:47:33 <colonelqubit> woof
23:47:45 <colonelqubit> xhtml export is very chatty
23:47:58 <colonelqubit> blah, blah, blah
23:48:16 <colonelqubit> yep, looks better
23:48:35 <colonelqubit> q: Is pointing at cgit.libreoffice.org the best choice for a url?
23:49:05 <jorendc> colonelqubit: it's almost the same as gerrit :-)
23:49:08 <jorendc> colonelqubit: so yes ...
23:49:19 <jorendc> but I think you can just mark your bug as RESOLVED WFM
23:49:20 <colonelqubit> right, I just meant in terms of continuity
23:49:54 <jorendc> I think so :)
23:50:02 <colonelqubit> it's in a comment, anyhow, so it's not like the document relies on it for rendering...
23:50:40 <colonelqubit> We still point to http://xml.openoffice.org/odf2xhtml in the META tags.
23:51:18 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ok
23:56:35 <ertai_NL> jorendc: there is a problem with the BSA but the direct link to the BSA works correctly.
23:56:42 <ertai_NL> emailed to the list about it
23:56:47 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ok :)
23:56:54 <jorendc> ertai_NL: thanks for looking at my ping :D
23:57:30 <ertai_NL> ok..
23:57:35 * ertai_NL sleeping
23:57:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60455] FILEOPEN: TEST || [Bug 60456] : Bug Submission Assistant offers wrong choice for LibreOffice 4.0.0.3
00:05:53 <colonelqubit> jorendc: what's happening with the BSA? I'm currently sending users that way -- is the tool working?
00:06:19 <jorendc> colonelqubit: it's working, but there is something 'wrong' with the version number of libreoffice
00:06:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg10013.html
00:07:19 <colonelqubit> I've been handing out the latter url
00:08:32 * colonelqubit wanders over to see how broken it is
00:12:42 <colonelqubit> jorendc: using the shorter url, I get "4.0.0.3 rc" as an option -- should I be seeing a separate entry for the release?
00:13:06 <jorendc> no; 4.0.0.3 rc = bit by bit identical to 4.0.0 release
00:13:12 <jorendc> but I think that's the problem :)
00:13:32 <jorendc> in FDO they just rename the 4.0.0.3 rc to 4.0.0.0 release
00:13:36 <jorendc> but not in BSA
00:13:45 * colonelqubit just checked the other url
00:13:49 <colonelqubit> yep, I see it there
00:13:52 <colonelqubit> okay, phew
00:13:59 <jorendc> so BSA is trying to link it with a non-existing version
00:14:32 <colonelqubit> If people report bugs against "4.0.0.3 rc", they'll still make it into fdo, right?
00:15:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Will LibreOffice open my MS-Office 2004 documents? || Borders are thicker than in Excel
00:18:20 <colonelqubit> jorendc: gotta run and get something to eat
00:18:31 <jorendc> colonelqubit: sure. I got to sleep in a minute :)
00:18:45 <colonelqubit> I hope that we remain swamped with work for the entire weekend
00:18:51 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see you!
00:18:57 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I hope not :D
00:19:24 <colonelqubit> because that will mean that users are downloading and using LO4!
00:19:27 <colonelqubit> :P
00:19:29 <colonelqubit> ciao
00:28:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60457] : loading component library failed || [Bug 60458] Format in search and replace adds things other than the Red font I want to search for.
00:45:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc 4.0 freezes when pasting large text
01:16:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 3.6 preferences || Cannot install 3.6 on XPpro
02:16:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Need to compare multiple values with =if statement, and it's invalid.
02:46:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do you close LibreOffice Calc from a macro?
03:04:38 <colonelqubit> who is in charge of the pages under get-help/ ?
03:04:45 <colonelqubit> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/linux/ is verry out of date
03:07:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60459] Error bars are distorted when charts with error bars are copied from calc to draw under LO 4.0.3
03:16:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Installation Error in 12.10
03:16:33 <moggi> colonelqubit: write to the website ML
03:46:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I transfer my preferences from 3.6 to 4.0? || A problem about LibreOffice Calc
04:10:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60460] [ENH][EDITING] Choose the sort of double quotes depending on the language of the word enclosed by them || [Bug 60461] : LibreOffice Calc table border appears as a dotted || [Bug 60462] Small errors in the layout margins of the text boxes || [Bug 60463] GNOME menu entries did not get created during install || [Bug 60464] FORMATTING: Font size 12 used in draw bigger than font size 12 for the same font in Writer
04:16:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libre won't open OpenOffice doc with table format || Replace max value || Is there support for Corel Draw 4 Clipart (.cdr) in LibreOffice? || Web-Based version
04:41:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60465] FORMATTING: Can't change Measurement units for LibreOffice Draw || [Bug 60466] SLIDESHOW: Enhancement request: Enable customized aninmation in master slide to be taken over to all slides based on this master slide || [Bug 60467] EDITING: A black Text copied from a Draw Diagram embedded in Writer directly to Writer is invisible because it uses white font colour
04:46:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Unity integration in LibreOffice 4.0 doesn't work || Norton AV hits on LibreOffice 4.0 portable version
05:11:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60458] Find with Format carries unwanted Asian Typography option values by itself
05:38:56 <colonelqubit> Hmm.. issues with menu-bar integration in Unity (ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, etc..)
05:43:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60465] FORMATTING: Measurement units for LibreOffice Draw set to mm, but when directly editing the drawing embedded in a Writer document they are presented as inches || [Bug 60468] FILEOPEN: CSV cannot handle field using embedded tab and line breaks altogether
06:17:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there any LibreOffice equivalent to the Excel Data Analysis Toolpack?
06:47:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60469] : Wrong "formulas formating" from excel 2010 || [Bug 60470] Spellcheck dictionary for Kazakh language
07:17:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Dutchspell checking
07:19:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60471] do not display images in SVG format
08:22:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60472] No overlay controls displayed in the slides sidebar || [Bug 60475] FILEOPEN: open and save file dialog don't have the option to use CMIS in windows
08:53:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60476] [UI] Improve integration with GNOME desktop
09:18:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I auto-switch between languages in LibreOffice on Debian Linux? || Blue screen stop 0x00000009 libre office 4 writer || can Libreoffice import MSWorks files from before version 4
09:24:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60477] manca opzione || [Bug 60478] Hybrid PDF: Save changes not possible
09:48:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Abstract yellow template bug
09:54:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60479] Duden Korrektor 8 - unable to install || [Bug 60480] Path templates
10:48:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Hi, Ask Site users! Moderation has been enabled, so your answers and comments will not show up immediately. Thanks!
10:55:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60483] "English" should be "English (United States)" || [Bug 60484] Not possible to select cell range in the insert Y error bar dialogue
11:26:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60485] sdremote: crash when selecting while still thumbnailing in tile view ... || [Bug 60486] sdremote: auto-enabling of bluetooth doesn't work ... || [Bug 60487] sdremote: volume controls for option switching ...
11:48:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Testing libre office 4: OS slow boot?
11:58:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60488] Charts not plotted || [Bug 60485] sdremote: out of memory errors (tile view)
12:59:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60490] FILEOPEN Crash when opening a drawing odg file || [Bug 60491] Editing embeded excel spreadsheet in writer.
13:09:20 <jorendc> pje335_NL: zou je even kunnen kijken naar fdo#60490 ?
13:09:22 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Drawing major/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN Crash when opening a drawing odg file https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60490
13:09:47 <pje335_NL> ja
13:09:57 <jorendc> thnx
13:13:18 <pje335_NL> i can conform it but i don't think the dev can fix it no details
13:15:17 <jorendc> pje335_NL: ok, thanks :)
13:15:35 <pje335_NL> just set it to normal
13:16:05 <jorendc> pje335_NL: mmh, no we don't want to do that
13:16:16 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I think that the priority is ok
13:16:29 <jorendc> pje335_NL: can you leave a message you can reproduce and set bug status to NEW pleas?
13:16:29 <pje335_NL> OKE
13:16:45 <pje335_NL> i was doing that alrady :)
13:17:44 <jorendc> pje335_NL: superb :D! thanks!
13:17:48 <pje335_NL> done
13:18:12 <jorendc> pje335_NL: following https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg I think the correct priority is Critical medium
13:18:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why does F1 still take me to the web after installing resident help file?
13:19:13 <pje335_NL> ^good question
13:20:40 <jorendc> pje335_NL: lol :p yes
13:21:08 <jorendc> pje335_NL: thanks, I think you did great with that comment :)
13:23:06 <pje335_NL> :)
13:49:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 4.0 Calc cell format problem - clean install on XP Pro
14:09:39 <reisi007> Hi Joren. Are you cennected via Skype?
14:09:45 <reisi007> sorry connected
14:10:18 <reisi007> (or anyone else via Skype to the call??)
14:11:49 <jorendc> reisi007: call is canceled :)
14:11:56 <reisi007> why??
14:12:08 <jorendc> reisi007: it's a wonder I'm still here (normally I was now away)
14:12:19 <jorendc> reisi007: because only joel could be present
14:12:29 <reisi007> jorendc: Oh, okay...
14:12:42 <jorendc> reisi007: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-February/045481.html
14:12:43 <reisi007> jorendc: Would be nice to know that next time....
14:12:56 <reisi007> NOOOO
14:13:09 <reisi007> Too many mails...
14:13:13 <reisi007> Thanks ;)
14:13:18 <jorendc> yeah ... I agreed
14:13:30 <jorendc> reisi007: my mailbox is also always swamped
14:13:59 <reisi007> It's not my mailbox, I might delete mails quicker, then I expect ^^
14:14:19 <jorendc> lol :)
14:14:36 <jorendc> I'm sorry about that
14:14:38 <reisi007> :)
14:15:18 <reisi007> jorendc: Well, somehow I have to get rid of some mails... This definitely was a false positive....
14:15:45 <jorendc> lol, I used to do that too :p
14:15:46 <reisi007> jorendc:  Well see you soon :)
14:15:57 <jorendc> fine. Sorry about that reisi007 and see you soon!
14:16:11 <reisi007> :)
14:24:13 <pje335_NL> jorendc: what do you all do with a Conference Call?
14:24:37 <jorendc> pje335_NL: normally it was a QA (quality assurance) call
14:24:46 <jorendc> we discuss some things related to what we do
14:24:55 <pje335_NL> oke
14:24:57 <jorendc> pje335_NL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda#Quality_Assurance_Conference_Call
14:25:22 <jorendc> what we do with NEEDINFO bugs that are more then 6 months in that state ... do we need to close them? Just leave them ...?
14:25:42 <jorendc> and discuss some other related stuff you can see there :)
14:25:54 <jorendc> like updating our wiki page/who'll do it, what to add etc
14:26:33 <pje335_NL> ow oke
14:30:03 <jorendc> pje335_NL: but I got to go. Thanks for helping! feel free to try to reproduce other bugs in this list for example: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&list_id=227640&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
14:30:10 <jorendc> feel free :-).
14:30:13 <jorendc> pje335_NL: bye
14:30:22 <pje335_NL> bye
14:30:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60492] Insert further ole object not working
14:49:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to set background color in Writer? || How to set image external editor?
15:00:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60493] FILESAVE: Calc freezes during autosave 10 minutes after loading the document || [Bug 60494] UI: Expect minimum split pane height to depend on row 1 text line height and zoom level (now min 2 rows at 66%) || [Bug 60495] Formatting: Appears to have no effect on numbers || [Bug 60498] An odp-file with proporty status=autostart doesn't autostart as slide show in LibO 4
15:43:49 <jmadero> morning all
15:53:37 <jmadero> markit: pje335_NL: you both know about 3.5 MAB project?
15:53:56 <markit> hi jmadero, no never herad about it
15:54:16 * markit sad because Fedora 19 will include OOo too
15:54:17 <jmadero> markit: the ESC has asked QA to look at the 3.5 most annoying bugs that are still open
15:54:21 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37361
15:54:25 <IZBot> bug 37361: LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/highest NEW LibreOffice 3.5 most annoying bugs
15:54:27 <markit> ESC?
15:54:32 <jmadero> for the bugs still open, test them against 4
15:54:37 <markit> I've a key on my keybaoard with that label...
15:54:49 <markit> ah, cool, / good
15:54:53 <jmadero> if the bug is still present, use common sense (or ask here) to determine if you think it really is a most annoying bug, if it is, change it to 3.6 MAB
15:55:11 <jmadero> ESC = Engineering Sterring Commitee
15:55:18 <jmadero> steering*
15:55:29 <jmadero> kind of the "core" of LibreOffice
15:55:32 <jmadero> or at least, one of the cores
15:55:33 <jmadero> lol
15:55:56 <jmadero> so if it is still a MAB, change the "Blocks" from 37361 to 44446
15:56:10 <markit> jmadero: how can I flag something to 3.6MBA?
15:56:15 <markit> ah, ok
15:56:23 <jmadero> and leave a comment that says something about sorry for the long delay, we're working hard to fix these annoying bugs, and that 3.5 is at EOL so we're trying to close 3.5 MAB
15:56:46 <jmadero> ESC wants it closed in the next week or two (I said a week shouldn't be an issue between our QA team)
15:56:56 <jmadero> I think Joren, pje335_NL and I closed about 10 yesterday
15:56:59 <jmadero> not closed, moved
15:57:03 <jmadero> and I took 2 off of MAB list
15:58:09 <markit> I've seen 4.0 released witout a fix for "paste" images from recent FF, so bad for me
15:58:31 <jmadero> markit: that's an open bug yes?
15:58:33 <markit> also my additional words for automatic correction in italian did not be considered
15:58:41 <jmadero> are both of those reported
15:58:50 <markit> yes, but tagged 3.x so I think has been ignored in the 4.0 hurry
15:59:16 <markit> jmadero: and I'm waiting you to improve shortcut associations with special characters ;P
15:59:20 <jmadero> yeah, well remind me after we deal with 3.5 MAB
15:59:24 <jmadero> and I'll take a look and try to find a developer
15:59:40 <jmadero> lol that could be a long wait
15:59:49 <markit> ok, I've to setup a joomla site, but I will help this weekend
15:59:51 <jmadero> my list of to-do's just keeps growing
16:00:18 <markit> jmadero: lenght of the list is not a problem, just put it as first ;P
16:00:21 <markit> (item)
16:00:30 <jmadero> lol
16:00:35 <jmadero> or just throw away everything else ;)
16:00:43 <jmadero> plus I'm working on this finance macro and doing a few other things
16:00:46 <jmadero> :-D
16:00:51 <jmadero> luckily school apps are done
16:00:52 <markit> even better, so you are more focused and relaxed
16:01:16 <jmadero> yeah, unfortunately two bugs that I assigned to myself that seemed so easy on the surface are proving to be really complicated
16:01:22 <markit> we have to clone you, your help here is envaluable
16:01:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60500] Missing pages in doc file (from INTERPOL career) || [Bug 60501] FILEOPEN: LibreOffice hangs with 100% CPU with specific .doc file
16:01:28 <pje335_NL> yes i know
16:01:34 <pje335_NL> was doing home work
16:01:38 <jmadero> lol we're all equally valuable ;)
16:01:55 <markit> some is more equal valuable than other ;P
16:02:13 * markit speaks for himself, he is at the bottom of the list
16:02:24 <jmadero> lol no, I honestly think we're all equally valuable
16:02:34 <jmadero> well some of the core devs may be a bit more ;)
16:02:49 <markit> only if they fix MY favourite bugs, lol
16:02:51 <markit> (joking)
16:03:01 <markit> btw, I've also a very old request about snap on the ruler
16:03:09 <jmadero> listening to this crazy podcast that this team of scientists in the UK are replacing hard drives with DNA storing data
16:03:12 <markit> never implemented, annoying me everytime I use it
16:03:19 <markit> since OOo 1.0, you figure
16:03:21 <jmadero> lol bug report it ;)
16:03:40 <markit> done for sure, maybe has been discarded because too old, lol
16:04:04 <jmadero> hopefully not
16:04:13 <jmadero> where the hell is fit to frame option
16:04:22 <jmadero> these bugs that make it on MAB without clear steps is frustrating
16:04:53 <jmadero> found it
16:06:53 <jmadero> markit: is that special character one assigned to me?
16:07:36 <markit> jmadero: don't even remember if I filed abut about it, we talked about it since is a big problem in schools of my town and near town
16:07:56 <markit> ok found
16:07:56 <jmadero> ah, bug report it! haha my mind is too scatered to remember this stuff
16:07:58 <markit> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41981
16:08:00 <IZBot> bug 41981: LibreOffice-Writer enhancement/medium NEW Custom Shortcut Keys for Special Symbols
16:08:05 <jmadero> bingo, thanks
16:08:37 <jmadero> Joren may be able to do this one, he's a better programmer than I a
16:08:38 <jmadero> m
16:09:39 <markit> this one is important too for my schools
16:09:40 <markit> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52547
16:09:43 <IZBot> bug 52547: LibreOffice-framework normal/medium NEW New Firefox image clipboard causes "paste as link" in LibreOffice - paste directly is preferred
16:09:43 <jmadero> I'm going to pitch a new "list" I think to the ESC, QA's favorite bugs -- I think if we contribute that we have a right to "nudge" a bug ;)
16:10:03 <jmadero> markit: for that one, can you manually paste it witout a link?
16:10:06 <jmadero> (ie. is there a workaround?)
16:10:17 <markit> jmadero: the workaround is "paste special"
16:10:27 <markit> problem is children are not used to
16:10:28 <jmadero> ah, so it's just the default that you don't like
16:10:30 <jmadero> yeah
16:10:36 <markit> and if some do a mistake, with slow internet connection
16:10:40 <markit> you are doomed
16:10:47 <jmadero> I remember this conversation
16:11:01 <markit> (libo unresponsive, teacher thinks "all this is crap, with M$ word works fine") and so on
16:11:29 <jmadero> teacher should know that for next Microsoft Office release they will be paying a leasing fee of $100/year per computer
16:11:43 <jmadero> if teacher is willing to pay LibreOffice that, things will get fixed faster
16:11:44 <jmadero> ;)
16:11:45 <markit> OMHO, we have to improve how things work (smootly and reliable) instead of add features
16:12:10 <jmadero> yeah unfortunately some areas of the code people just aren't comfortable with it
16:12:10 <markit> jmadero: not their problem, is the school (and my taxes) that pay for it
16:12:10 <pje335_NL> but school  mostly use old versions of m$
16:12:17 <jmadero> lol
16:12:19 <markit> and they have a "gratis copy" if they adotp M$
16:12:29 <jmadero> pje335_NL: moving forward Microsoft will undoubtedly push those out
16:12:31 <markit> so M$ is "adding value" to M$crap adoption
16:13:00 <jmadero> LibreOffice is 2 years old with 99% volunteers, for what we have, the product is amazing
16:13:08 <markit> btw, I would suggest a test every dev must do with a friend of his choice
16:13:09 <jmadero> what I think would help the most is a big donation push
16:13:15 <markit> move him from M$ to Libo
16:13:37 <markit> jmadero: yes, we have to change mentality
16:13:49 <markit> people think is "freeware" and if will die something else will show up
16:13:53 <jmadero> $5 per user would be awesome
16:13:53 <markit> so is not their problem
16:14:05 <jmadero> for most of our users, I doubt that'd be an issue
16:14:23 <jmadero> markit: did you see our new website?
16:14:27 <markit> jmadero: if you see kickstart or indie something games, they raise a lot of money
16:14:38 <markit> because people are aware they have to partecipate
16:14:42 <jmadero> but usually that is for something in return yes?
16:14:46 <markit> new... how new?
16:14:55 <markit> jmadero: well, we provide Libo in return ;P
16:15:10 <jmadero> lol
16:15:13 <jmadero> true
16:15:14 <markit> oh, really new
16:15:17 <markit> wow
16:15:26 <jmadero> yeah, big change ;)
16:15:36 <markit> who is the designer? want him to create the libo 5.0 interface!
16:15:53 <markit> only drawback is the monitor that seems an Apple one
16:15:58 <markit> you will be sued!!!
16:16:11 <markit> (and FOSS enthusiasts like me are depressed for that)
16:16:35 <markit> mmm IT IS a Apple monitor, shame on that
16:17:05 <markit> urgh, I'm lost in the site
16:17:12 <markit> can't go back after 2 clicks
16:17:37 <jmadero> the main developer for the site I think is Camille Moulin
16:17:45 <jmadero> can't go back?
16:18:03 <markit> you land in the old site
16:18:14 <markit> ok, click on top left
16:18:15 <jmadero> markit: yeah but you can get back to the other one
16:18:16 <jmadero> click on the top
16:18:17 <jmadero> yeah
16:18:26 <jmadero> I think they are slowly transitioning everything
16:18:34 <jmadero> but for the first site I was like "wow"
16:18:40 <markit> in any case tell him to REMOVE asap Apple hardware please please please
16:18:51 <markit> it's really a shame
16:18:57 <pje335_NL> way?
16:19:13 <markit> pje335_NL: is the most against free software company in the planet
16:19:28 <jmadero> lol I agree but that's not a reasonable request on my part
16:19:28 <markit> and we are giving them publicity, is like feeding the lino will eat you
16:19:32 <jmadero> if we can get sued, that's more okay
16:19:38 <jmadero> we try to avoid OS wars
16:19:39 <jmadero> ;)
16:19:45 <markit> is not about OS but freedom
16:19:46 <IZBot> News from asklibo: HTML to PDF conversion library
16:19:55 <markit> pick the Free(dom) os you want, I'm ok
16:20:00 <jmadero> but there are a few very passionate OS X lovers that develop for LibreOffice
16:20:11 <markit> but in a FOSS project, the Apple product is really bad bad bad
16:20:18 <jmadero> yup
16:20:20 <jmadero> very bad
16:20:20 <pje335_NL> i am working on mac os x
16:20:23 <jmadero> especially in the US
16:20:23 <pje335_NL> :D
16:20:27 <markit> jmadero: one fact is provide libo FOR that OS
16:20:29 <jmadero> I wouldn't give them a dime
16:20:32 <markit> other is put on the front page
16:20:43 <jmadero> knowing that they would use it to sue open source alternatives
16:21:11 <markit> jmadero: is like android site with a M$ logo
16:21:17 <markit> on their home page
16:21:24 <jmadero> lol maybe we need to just have different pictures
16:21:26 <markit> I'm really upset for that
16:21:27 <jmadero> I'm emailing them now
16:21:53 <markit> thanks a lot
16:22:01 <markit> is so embarassing
16:22:16 <markit> you convince someone of the value of free software, point him to LiBo home
16:22:29 <markit> and bum, he finds a Apple PC there
16:22:41 <markit> what would you say then?
16:23:08 <markit> I'm so shocked that this problems don't popup imeditely on the minds of people involved in FOSS
16:23:09 <jmadero> I suggested that we just use different pictures (an assortment) instead of getting into a debate about Apple
16:23:14 <jmadero> for all I know he developed the site on OS X
16:23:19 <markit> really I've the feeling that they use FOSS just like a "product"
16:23:27 <jmadero> engineers tend to remove themselves from the politics
16:23:30 <jmadero> I've seen that to be a common thing
16:23:37 <markit> it's not politics!!!!!!!
16:23:37 <jmadero> and users remove themselves even more
16:23:41 <jmadero> it is
16:23:49 <markit> no, it's free against proprietary
16:23:49 <jmadero> IMO
16:23:53 <jmadero> which is politics
16:23:59 <markit> is social and ethical
16:24:07 <jmadero> I understand what yo'ure saying
16:24:14 <jmadero> but I don't think someone who uses Apple is evil
16:24:18 <jmadero> I just think they don't think about what that means
16:24:31 <markit> but is evil if they inject that in FOSS
16:24:37 <jmadero> my friend is a programer and just yesterday asked if she should buy an Apple 4S or whatever stupid name they have, or the Galaxy
16:24:50 <markit> people are dumb
16:24:51 <jmadero> FOSS philosophy is "we'll support you even if you don't suppor tus"
16:24:59 <jmadero> not "pick on us and we'll stop development for you"
16:25:02 <markit> they are "consumers"
16:25:18 <markit> we are talking about freedom here
16:25:22 <jmadero> and telling ~25% of the world, you're on your own
16:25:27 <jmadero> is not a good policy
16:25:32 <markit> otherwise I will not waste may free time for some "product"
16:25:52 <jmadero> baby steps
16:26:00 <jmadero> people instalilng LibreOffice on Apple makes them more aware of alternatives
16:26:07 <jmadero> I'm not against propriatary software by the way
16:26:09 <markit> that's not the same
16:26:16 <markit> of having Libo site build with an apple
16:26:21 <markit> and with an apple pc on it
16:26:36 <markit> I'll stop my support to libo asap if does not change
16:26:42 <markit> I'm not here to help apple
16:26:44 <jmadero> that is your choice
16:26:59 <markit> or have libo undermine my very heavy work to move pople to foss
16:27:26 <markit> maybe libo could ask for M$ to put a banner on it's site too
16:27:39 <markit> with the label "we suggest M$office"
16:27:46 <markit> like dell does with his pc
16:27:53 <markit> wouldn't it be great?
16:28:10 <jmadero> lol
16:28:32 <jmadero> I don't think many people thought "that looks like an Apple computer" btw
16:28:35 <jmadero> I've been following the thread
16:28:39 <jmadero> that has over 30 responses to the site
16:28:44 <jmadero> not one person said anything, and I know I didn't think it
16:28:54 <jmadero> so unless we are being subconciously brainwashed to buy Apple with it
16:29:08 <jmadero> but I agree, that we should have multiple images, not just apple looking monitors
16:29:46 <jmadero> thanks markit
16:30:18 * markit too depressed to keep talking, bad bad day
16:30:29 <markit> I've really the feeling that everything in foss is doomed
16:30:35 <markit> too proprietary people injected
16:30:39 <markit> we have no hope
16:30:49 <markit> we can't point the difference anymore
16:30:52 <jmadero> hopefully that's not the case
16:31:06 <jmadero> I would say that you can browse our 19 million lines of code
16:31:06 <markit> I do think so, and today I'm sure
16:31:09 <jmadero> is evidence of the difference
16:31:37 <markit> you say we don't have money donated? because people are not aware
16:31:39 <markit> of the value
16:31:46 <markit> then you put apple on your site
16:31:47 <jmadero> markit: that is human nature
16:31:52 <jmadero> it's not apple
16:31:53 <jmadero> there is no logo
16:31:56 <markit> and this doomes you even further
16:31:57 <jmadero> or name
16:32:03 <markit> you joking?
16:32:19 <jmadero> nope
16:32:40 <markit> http://www.apple.com/imac/
16:33:03 <jmadero> I know what an apple computer looks like
16:33:19 <pje335_NL> its a picture  of a old i mac like screen
16:33:35 <markit> pje335_NL: exactly, MAC screen
16:33:39 <markit> not a generic screen
16:33:52 <jmadero> markit: the issue has been raised
16:33:54 <jmadero> they'll deal with it
16:34:02 <jmadero> and if they disagree, you can get involved with website developemnt
16:34:05 <jmadero> and change it yourself
16:34:13 <markit> that's not the way to speak
16:34:13 <jmadero> thus, the open part of our project
16:34:29 <jmadero> I'm just saying, a bit of patience, I just emailed them
16:34:33 <jmadero> no one seemed to notice but you
16:34:42 <jmadero> now that it's been brought up, let's see what happens
16:34:52 <markit> remembers me Raspberry pi project
16:34:58 <markit> was made to educate children to program
16:35:09 <markit> then they put proprietary software and a market
16:35:15 <markit> and then no one uses it to program
16:35:21 <markit> great success of marketing
16:35:30 <markit> but did not got what was designed for
16:35:37 <jmadero> and now hundreds of thousands of poor kids have one
16:35:38 <markit> and Free software is designed to free people
16:35:42 <jmadero> there are give and takes for everything
16:35:48 <markit> jmadero: they have to play proprietary games on it
16:36:01 <jmadero> so be it, they have their first interaction with a computer
16:36:05 <jmadero> which could come in handy later when they try to find work
16:36:06 <markit> and they have been tought not to care about license
16:36:17 <markit> so they will never pay for Libo when they grow up ;P
16:36:21 <jmadero> which was the original goal fo the project if I remember correctly
16:36:53 <markit> jmadero: the original goal is to make them program, and for become a great programmer you need source code
16:37:09 <markit> jmadero: now they use to download propreitary programs from teh market
16:37:23 <markit> and never have a look at those poor and slow python games that are foss and there
16:49:57 <IZBot> News from asklibo: soffice.bin || soffice.bin || libobasis4.0-en-gb and Install Help || "LibreOffice.app (v3.6.2.2) is damaged and can't be opened..."
17:20:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4 soffice.bin problem
17:32:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60504] EDITING: Sort removes brackets in Queries - Sorting doesn't work in correlated Subqueries || [Bug 60505] SLIDESHOW: "Modify Effect": has changed its effect
17:50:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't close pop up window || The last time you opened LibreOffice, it unexpectedly quit while reopening windows. Do you want to try to reopen its windows again?
18:04:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60506] Comment information lost when saving to .doc or .docx formats
18:34:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60507] Garbaged Autofilter when writen Vertically then Applied || [Bug 60508] EDITING particular .ppt: y-axis label of CHART embedded in Spreadsheet OLE object exceeds chart area
18:36:47 <bgranados> Hi, I have a question about this bug. I've been adding some comments about test cases, but I'm no longer sure if it's officially a bug...
18:36:49 <bgranados> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60493
18:36:51 <IZBot> bug 60493: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/high NEW FILESAVE: Calc freezes during autosave 10 minutes after loading the document
18:37:39 <bgranados> the reason I'm not confident is that I tested another .ods from Google docs, and didn't get the same result. I'm not sure what makes the original file different.
18:50:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Creating a comparative timeline graph in Calc? || Fomatting not saved; text disappearing
19:04:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60509] : Huge toolsbars || [Bug 60477] Support "ignore hidden cells" flag for SUBTOTAL()
20:06:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60512] EDITING: Word Completion "Append a space" option doesn't append a space
20:20:46 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 + OpenSUSE + ODF files on Mounted Drive = Error
20:36:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60513] EDITING: Text selection in the entire table is undone when some format is applied || [Bug 60515] Unable to add new style to existing template
20:50:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't change font color on autoformatted spreadsheet
21:51:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4: Impress Remote
22:39:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60520] I can't select cell content with keyboard in read-only document
22:51:30 <colonelqubit> pmladek: Looks like the impress android remote stuff didn't make it into the official 4.0.0 build: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/RemoteHowTo http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/answers/11696/
22:52:39 <colonelqubit> Any hope of us bumping the release available for download before March? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
23:09:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60521] FORMATTING
23:51:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Corrupt characters in LibreOffice 4 with Nouveau
00:21:47 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can Libreoffice import pre-version-4 MSWorks files?
00:44:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60522] Please add .aac audio to the list of supported file formats at "Insert" -> "Movie and Sound"
01:14:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60523] : problem saving document template in libreoffice 4.0.0.3
01:22:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO 4.0.0.3 recent documents not populating
02:46:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60525] FORMATTING: Nested frames lose backdrop transparency || [Bug 60526] LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 FILEOPEN Recent Documents does not populate
03:52:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to upgrade from 3.43 to 4.0
04:22:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Form Scrambled
06:53:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libreoffice 4 and windows 8 64
06:57:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60529] FILESAVE: Shape/smiley created on a brand new file isn't exported in docx
07:58:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60530] Allow user to disable spellchecker and grammar in current document only (not global settings)
09:00:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60531] Extensionname: error: "http://updateexte.libreoffice.org/Extensionupdateservice/check.update no existe"
09:24:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libre office 4 will not install on windows 8, it shows cab errors
10:02:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60533] Brackets (..),{..},[..] inverted )..(,}..{,]..[ when switch to RTL text direction with all fonts (Affect : calc, impress, draw). || [Bug 60534] Brackets (..),{..},[..] inverted to )..(,}..{,]..[ when switch to RTL text direction with Graphite fonts only. ( Affect :all Libo applications). || [Bug 60535] Please support embedding of MP4 and MOV videos with H.264 compression
10:24:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc 4.0 100% CPU Copy&Paste
10:33:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60537] VIEWING: Corrupt characters in LibreOffice 4 with Nouveau
10:54:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Opening MS Office files in LibreOffice mess up the formatting || Is there any LibreOffice equivalent to the Excel Data Analysis Toolpack? || How can I auto-switch between languages in LibreOffice on Debian Linux? || Replace max value
11:36:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60538] Special Unicode characters are handled differently depending on file opening way and lead to crash on pdf export
12:06:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60539] FILESAVE: Column-width of a Query couldn't be saved
12:15:27 <pje335_NL> .clear
12:54:53 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Automatically place en (not em) dashes between numbers
13:09:02 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60540] Mac OS X Installation has some minor display problems
13:25:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 when will autosave and resume plus iCloud features be added???
13:39:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60540] Mac OS X 10.7 Installation has some minor display problems
14:25:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibO4 - Edit a template
14:43:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60542] Color of menu items does not update to match personas || [Bug 60543] Remember the URL of the currently applied personas || [Bug 60544] Format conversion poorly usable on scripts
14:55:20 <IZBot> News from asklibo: desk calculator behavior
15:44:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60545] Vectors and hats are not correctly displayed || [Bug 60546] FILESAVE: infinite loop when saving
16:14:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60548] FILEOPEN: V4.0.0.3 - Can't open ods files across network on windows machine
17:16:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60549] Pictures not saved to .pptx
17:46:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60550] Comment on range in converted .DOCX file crashes Writer || [Bug 60551] Pasting text removes bullet
18:17:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60554] Borders disappear while merging some cells in tables (impress/draw)
19:18:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60556] EDITING, FILEOPEN: WordArt in .pub files rendered incorrectly || [Bug 60554] Borders disappear while merging some cells in RTL tables (impress/draw)
19:23:38 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Some of the stuff described in the release notes isn't available in the builds we're shipping
19:23:42 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11695/libreoffice-4-impress-remote/
19:24:01 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/
19:24:53 <colonelqubit> If it's in the release notes, we should be shipping a build with it. Or we should cross it out of the release notes
19:47:36 <jorendc> hi there o/ colonelqubit
19:48:47 <colonelqubit> hmm?
19:48:53 <colonelqubit> oh, hi
19:49:00 <colonelqubit> lots of snow here
19:50:22 <colonelqubit> whatcha up to?
19:50:48 <jorendc> oh, not that much(/many?) snow here :), only a little bit
19:51:12 <jorendc> I'm back from a day abroad with my girlfriend :)
19:51:47 <colonelqubit> that explains the smiles
19:52:11 <colonelqubit> a few issues
19:52:23 <colonelqubit> 1) BSA still looks b0rked
19:52:33 <colonelqubit> also a number of our new features...aren't working yet
19:52:40 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11695/libreoffice-4-impress-remote/
19:52:43 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/
19:53:39 <colonelqubit> can we update the release notes?
19:53:59 <colonelqubit> At least link to a bug number?
19:54:03 <jorendc> mmh ... I know they're still working on the impress remote ...
19:54:40 <jorendc> Do you know what documentation he/she mean?
19:54:43 <colonelqubit> ?
19:54:48 <jorendc> According to the documentation, I should go to Options -> LOI -> General
19:55:04 <jorendc> which documentation? If that's true, we need to update the documentation team about that
19:55:13 <colonelqubit> uggh.. I still need to get back to them
19:56:10 <colonelqubit> I've been spending any/all of my free time since thursday answering q's from users
19:56:22 <colonelqubit> or filing bugs
19:56:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Where is the template wizard in LibreOffice 4.0.0.3? || libreoffce 4.003 base/winxp SDBC missing
19:57:33 <jorendc> mmh :s
19:57:36 <jorendc> hi jmadero ! :)
19:58:12 <jorendc> oh yeah ... colonelqubit jmadero: (FYI : I passed all my exams ;-) )
19:58:39 <jorendc> spending more time doing QA work then learning ... but still passed :p
20:01:02 * colonelqubit slaps jorendc on the back
20:01:06 <colonelqubit> good show!
20:01:14 <jorendc> thanks
20:01:17 * jorendc bows :D
20:01:23 <colonelqubit> I'd give you a drink if you were here
20:02:59 * jorendc books a flight to USA ;-)
20:03:39 <colonelqubit> good luck with that
20:04:06 <jorendc> :) hehe
20:04:13 <jorendc> then I'll be broke ...
20:04:22 <colonelqubit> they shut down Massachusetts (literally: they told people they couldn't drive on the roads at night during the storm)
20:04:31 <jorendc> wow :o
20:04:33 <jorendc> it's that heavy?
20:04:52 <colonelqubit> it was pretty intense
20:19:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60557] EDITING -
20:26:46 <IZBot> News from asklibo: create-forms in base: lefthand choices disappeared, need SUBMIT control || I can not open a Office 10 document correctly
20:29:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I can't click the 'add comment' button..
20:29:30 <colonelqubit> hmm?
20:29:35 <jorendc> I can, but it don't do anything
20:29:42 <jorendc> oh ok ... strange
20:29:45 <jorendc> it's posted now :s
20:29:57 <jorendc> I didn't saw the page was loading or something ...
20:30:02 <colonelqubit> i t ' s   s l o w   s o m e t i m e s
20:30:23 * colonelqubit . o O ( or all the time )
20:31:26 <jorendc> yes :p agreed
20:49:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I got to go again
20:49:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60558] Microsoft 10 file will not open correctly.
20:49:38 <colonelqubit> no problem. bathroom is on the right, 3rd door
20:50:07 <jorendc> thanks :p
20:50:14 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ... I got to shower ... for real
20:50:22 <colonelqubit> :P
20:50:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: so thanks for pointing the right direction ;-)
20:50:27 <jorendc> :D
20:50:30 <jorendc> see you
22:27:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Summing a variable-valued column || Cannot eliminate outer border on a table || LibreOffice 4: Impress Remote support Greek letters in notes || Formula in Conditional formatting (v4.0.0.3) for large areas
22:57:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Eliminating vertical space in a font
23:57:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to fix deafult printer page size
00:57:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Persona need opacity setting
01:26:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60563] Numbered lists ar || [Bug 60562] type detection for binary XLS format totally borken on master
02:28:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Chart on separate sheet
03:28:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libo 4.0.0.3 gets: no suitable windowing system found, exiting.
04:28:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Saving Document Size
05:33:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60565] EDITING: Installing or deleting fonts with Writer open results in bizarre document layout
06:03:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60566] FORMATTING: When highlighting all table cells, paragraph formatting is only applied to the first cell || [Bug 60567] There is no version named '4.0.0.3 rc' in the 'LibreOffice' product.
08:05:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60571] custom animations from a 3.6.5.2 file do not work || [Bug 60569] EDITING: check box controls disappears || [Bug 60570] FORMATTING: Leading Zeroes
09:38:18 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60572] FORMATTING: Text in asymetric objects cannot be turned into normal position when object is flipped or rotated
10:09:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60573] Conditional formatting does not allow scrolling
11:10:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60574] Conditional Formatting: when displaying decimal numbers, localization settings are ignored || [Bug 60575] When one protected sheet is present it's impossible to edit styles
11:40:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60576] When I click on the libreoffice icon(s), nothing happen (4.x) || [Bug 60577] "Use English function names" - 100 function names are still not in English
12:11:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60579] [Template manager] No way to change name of template || [Bug 60581] [Template manager] Can not import template after descending into directory || [Bug 60582] EDITING: Incorrect inserting of images to Draw when done by Copy/Paste from Finder || [Bug 60578] sw_subsequent_ww8export SIGSEGV on s390(x) || [Bug 60580] Copied text from Pages has weird formatting.
12:43:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60583] [Template manager] Breadcrumb navigation is missing separators || [Bug 60586] [Template manager] Switching tabs does not update breadcrumbs || [Bug 60587] [Template manager] Search button disappears after selecting item in main window || [Bug 60584] BUGZILLA: Can not Log-In to LibreOffice Bugzilla without page refresh || [Bug 60585] Some part of Bugzilla help text is hiden
13:15:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60588] Error in writing content.xml || [Bug 60589] REGRESSION [Template manager] Can not copy styles between different files and templates || [Bug 60590] Lost properties of formular fields after Close and Open || [Bug 60591] Libreoffice compilation failure: undefined reference to libcdr
13:31:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO4 Writer - Text selection in the entire table is undone when some format is applied?
13:46:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60592] [REGRESSION] Can not assign document to different template || [Bug 60593] REGRESSION [Template manager] Creating new template directory is unnecessarily hard || [Bug 60594] EDITING: Page count does not match visible pages
15:12:48 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
15:12:54 <jorendc> pje335_NL: how are you :)?
15:13:20 <pje335_NL> ey, fine thank you ,
15:13:27 <pje335_NL> how you doing ?
15:13:52 <jorendc> thanks :). I passed all my exams ... so nothing better then that :d
15:14:01 <jorendc> although I start with school tomorrow again ...
15:14:03 <jorendc> :p
15:14:19 <jorendc> pje335_NL: can you help me reproducing https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60546 ?
15:14:22 <IZBot> bug 60546: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE: infinite loop when saving
15:14:27 <pje335_NL> van harte gefeliciteerd
15:14:34 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I can't, but I think it's windows only, if reproducible
15:14:36 <jorendc> pje335_NL: thanks :D
15:14:46 <pje335_NL> sure furst stop bf3 10 sec
15:15:00 <jorendc> ooh :D hehe
15:18:39 <pje335_NL> nope can't
15:18:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60563] Numbered lists doesn't have the correct indentation
15:19:04 <jorendc> mmh ... bizarre
15:20:00 <jorendc> but that's ok :). Thank you very much :)!
15:20:21 <pje335_NL> no problem
15:49:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60597] [Italian language]: extension Manager don't translate
16:10:03 <jorendc> pje335_NL: can you help me again (a) :D
16:10:07 <jorendc> regarding https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60523
16:10:09 <IZBot> bug 60523: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : problem saving document template in libreoffice 4.0.0.3
16:12:22 <pje335_NL> oke brb * walking to windows pc
16:13:41 <pje335> what was the number?
16:17:00 <jorendc> fdo#60523
16:17:02 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED : problem saving document template in libreoffice 4.0.0.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60523
16:17:07 <jorendc> pje335: ^^
16:19:57 <pje335> i can
16:21:41 <jorendc> Oh thanks; Can you please mark that one as NEW then and leave a comment
16:21:48 <pje335> and now i can't !
16:22:40 <pje335> wen you pres save imendiant aly you get the message saying : Select the destination folder(s) to save the template.
16:22:58 <pje335> but if you select Mediawiki its doesn't
16:23:39 <jorendc> mmh, what do you mean?
16:24:53 <pje335> wen you get go and save it
16:24:54 <jorendc> oh wait, I think I understand
16:25:56 <pje335> but i don't see the Mediawiki template at the background on the foto
16:27:47 <pje335> so i think he didn't select the template or he hasn't got any templats to save at all
16:28:25 <jorendc> yes I see :)
16:28:35 <jorendc> thanks pje335; I made a comment on that one
16:30:00 <pje335> np
17:22:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60598] FORMATTING: cell with formula not well formated after re-open || [Bug 60599] [FILEOPEN] In sheets from Excel 2010/2013, cell borders appear wider in LO
17:32:07 <IZBot> News from asklibo: MARATHI SPELLCHECK RESET AUTOTEXT ENTRIES & EVEN HANGS LO IF TRIED TO ACCESS AUTOTEXT OPTION
17:52:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60601] REGRESSION [Template Manager] It is not possible to import spreadsheet templates without manual intervention in profile template directory
18:02:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0, Draw, Ubuntu x86_64, Any method to import vss/vsx Visio stencils?
18:05:40 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
18:05:44 <pje335_NL> ey
18:05:53 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you have again some time to reproduce a bug for me (a) :D
18:06:02 <jorendc> *?
18:06:18 <pje335_NL> yes i can
18:06:27 <jorendc> This bug is reported against Windows 8, not sure this is reproducible using Windows 7
18:06:28 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60268
18:06:30 <IZBot> bug 60268: LibreOffice-Formula Editor normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: Math symbols are not correct displayed under Windows 8
18:06:31 <jorendc> _o_ thanks
18:07:05 <pje335_NL> brb gone take my go to my windows
18:09:35 <jorendc> sure :)
18:09:51 <pje335_NL> nope not on w7
18:10:04 <pje335_NL> and i got no w8
18:14:21 <pje335_NL> jorendc: filing it out makes so seanse because its for w8 and i got w7
18:15:22 <jorendc> ok, can you just please leave a comment you can't reproduce using Windows 7, so if it's reproducible it's a windows 8-only?
18:16:04 <pje335_NL> sure
18:16:13 <jorendc> thanks pje335_NL
18:19:22 <pje335_NL> i wil try to reproduce it later this week on a windows 8 pc thats at my grandpa's house
18:20:16 <jorendc> ooh, that'll be wonderful pje335_NL
18:32:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 install on Win7 error: Error 1335 || Is there a way to change text color so a dark color Persona doesn't hide it? || SVG embedding not working after Libreoffice upgrade from 3.6 to 4
18:54:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60603] Linking of text frames fails when inserted as OLE-object into a drawing in DRAW
19:02:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to get a popup OK-dialog window show up, upon posting from form to table in libreoffice base? || How to copy text without List Para number? || Combo box in Base Forms
19:24:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60593] [Template manager] Creating new template directory is unnecessarily hard || [Bug 60601] [Template Manager] It is not possible to import spreadsheet templates without manual intervention in profile template directory || [Bug 60604] [REMOTE] - Non-English characters in speaker notes garbled
19:32:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libre Office Writer Freezes after few key strokes
19:54:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60592] [Template Manager]: Can not assign document to different template || [Bug 60589] [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files and templates
20:02:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 3.5 No Redhat Desktop-Integration package || Grid Control odd behaviour if not filled completely
20:25:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60606] UI: German translation in context menu in LibO 4.0.0.3 || [Bug 60607] LO 3.6 and 4.0 incorrect opening of ods file
20:44:10 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
20:44:57 <colonelqubit> yos
20:45:41 <colonelqubit> confession time: for a while I thought your name was Jorend.
20:47:39 <jorendc> Ooh, lol :p
20:47:59 <colonelqubit> you know, "Jorend C."
20:48:01 <jorendc> no, Joren is my first name; DC is an abreviation of my last name ;-)
20:48:04 <jorendc> yeah, I see :D
20:48:09 <jorendc> no problem with that :p
20:52:03 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm going to get a little pauze with QA work :p
20:52:39 <jorendc> I'm doing 7 to 8 hour QA work ... did a -30 I think (from 1491 to 1471, but there was a flood of bugs while I was confirming)
20:53:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: any thoughts of this one? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60184 if this is indeed very hard to do, we can set this as enhancement request
20:53:47 <IZBot> bug 60184: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: Open R/O
20:53:57 <jorendc> I'll probably be back later this evening (9:40PM here)
20:54:45 <colonelqubit> jorendc: well we do have the read-only flag, right?
20:55:04 <colonelqubit> you'd still open the file as R/W
20:55:19 <jorendc> I thought the same, but I can't find where to set that
20:55:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60606] UI: German translation in context menu || [Bug 60611] FILEOPEN old DOC file national characters incorrectly recognized
20:55:42 <colonelqubit> there are some nuances to this question
20:55:49 <colonelqubit> e.g. they don't want backup files to be saved
20:55:58 <colonelqubit> one could open a file Read-only and still save backup files
20:56:26 <jorendc> agreed
20:56:45 <colonelqubit> however if you're working on a read-only disk, or on maybe some kind of portable device with a small nand chip, maybe the whole point is to avoid creating anything else on disk
20:57:16 <colonelqubit> I suggest that you ask Bruno what it is that he wants
20:57:24 <colonelqubit> like, what's the use case
20:57:44 <colonelqubit> so that you can better understand the problem domain
20:59:05 <jorendc> I'll do t hat
21:02:34 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I made that comment. Thanks
21:02:39 <jorendc> I'll be back later :)
21:02:42 <colonelqubit> hmm
21:02:42 <jorendc> see you colonelqubit
21:03:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why can't I create field names more than 10 characters long in Base? || Why does Marathi spellcheck reset autotext entries & hangs LibreOffice when I try to access autotext option?
21:25:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60612] Web page frames pasted without regard to page formatting/margins. Format difficult to modify. || [Bug 60613] UI: Error bar selection || [Bug 60614] UI: UI stops working || [Bug 60615] BSA: Prompt user for missing fields
21:33:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: No report builder extension for LibreOffice 4?
21:57:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60616] Alphabetical index not combining entries with chapter info in Writer 3.6x nor 4.0r
22:03:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to make an image || Where can I find an ODF validator to test conformance of my documents?
22:33:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Alphabetical index not combining entries with chapter info in Writer 3.6x nor 4.0r
22:46:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you also feel a high ask and FDO activity because of the 4.0 release :)?
22:46:43 <colonelqubit> some
22:46:47 <colonelqubit> somewhat
22:47:00 <colonelqubit> why, have you?
22:47:43 <colonelqubit> oh, I finally filed the bug against the channel topic
22:47:43 <jorendc> yes :s
22:47:53 <jorendc> I saw that :). I just confirmed it :D
22:47:56 <colonelqubit> heh
22:54:53 <jorendc> and yes, there is a huge increase of reported bugs
22:55:10 <jorendc> I hope jmadero can confirm that with his stats
22:55:48 <colonelqubit> well we've mostly gotten through the "why isn't new feature X working?" q's on the Ask site
22:56:12 <colonelqubit> unfortunately, a lot of the answers were "Oops...sorry, that's not working in the build we shipped"
22:56:19 * colonelqubit facepalms
22:56:39 <colonelqubit> users have been, on the whole, very nice
22:57:01 <jorendc> last time I checked the bug list was Friday noon, I think we had then approx 1430 unconfirmed bugs ... I checked this morning again ... 1491 unconfirmed bugs ... so in less then 2 days more then 61 bugs reported
22:57:14 <colonelqubit> Even the ones who I directed at the BSA and then who got stuck trying to report against the release
22:57:28 <jorendc> oh, that's nice
22:57:51 <colonelqubit> oh good, you didn't count the bugs I filed against the website :-)
22:58:01 <jorendc> that's good about the ASK site .. It's a minor step to take
22:58:03 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60619] : IRC: Topic of #documentfoundation IRC channel announces "next public Board call Wednesday, Jan 9th at 1600 UTC"
22:58:16 <colonelqubit> to be fair, I think those should be counted separately
22:59:03 <colonelqubit> all of the website/infrastructure stuff doesn't really affect users
22:59:17 <jorendc> unless BSA etc isn't working ...
22:59:30 <colonelqubit> unless it's a bug in downloading the installer or extensions, or some kind of feature that the running program goes out and uses
22:59:31 <jorendc> that'll result in less bugs :p
22:59:36 <colonelqubit> lol
22:59:38 <jorendc> yeah, true
22:59:50 * colonelqubit keeps a close eye on jorendc, lest he go break the BSA again...
23:00:03 * jorendc try to hack bsa
23:00:04 <jorendc> xD
23:00:10 * jorendc laughs evil
23:00:28 <colonelqubit> ....it comes out as MS Word Art
23:00:51 <jorendc> hu :p?
23:01:08 <colonelqubit> have you ever used the "word art" feature in MS-Office?
23:01:22 <colonelqubit> to be fair, LO probably has something similar
23:01:38 <jorendc> no :p
23:01:42 <colonelqubit> Anyhow, you can type in some text, and then have it displayed as 3D-ish, with maybe a gradient, or some stripes
23:02:01 <colonelqubit> It *can* look good. It's not *impossible* to do.
23:02:43 <jorendc> I'm actually not a very experienced word/excel/powerpoint user... I don't know that much about document formatting ... I just can confirm steps and try to check it's good or bad behavior
23:02:44 <colonelqubit> But it's like HTML email: The potential for harm is just too great, and not many users have the skills to wield such a powerful tool successfully
23:02:55 <jorendc> that's why I'm not that good on a ask-site
23:03:14 <colonelqubit> Dreamhost knows how to correctly use HTML in an email. They're about the only people I know who do :-)
23:03:17 <jorendc> mmh, I see :)
23:03:30 <jorendc> lol
23:03:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 4.0 Calc cell format problem - clean install on XP Pro
23:03:52 <colonelqubit> Anyhow, back to the topic: I'd even count BSA bugs against infrastructure, not the program
23:04:04 <colonelqubit> because ideally, if the program is running perfectly, you don't need it :-)
23:04:22 * colonelqubit thinks for a bit..
23:05:32 <colonelqubit> Hmm..I guess that it also does double-duty for enhancement requests.
23:05:34 <jorendc> yeah, that's in fact true :-)
23:07:11 <jorendc> when we exclude the WWW bugs and the 'deletionrequests': 1451 bugs found.
23:07:44 <jorendc> total unc: 1475 bugs found.
23:08:28 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=229003&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&component=WWW&product=LibreOffice
23:16:59 <colonelqubit> what is that --- homework?
23:17:02 <colonelqubit> :-)
23:18:51 <jorendc> lol
23:19:25 <jorendc> no, but feel free to have a look at it :D because you already reported some bugs agains WWW ... ;-)
23:19:37 <jorendc> (and you're quite active in that component)
23:59:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60620] Formatting: loses first line ident setting when open existing Impress document || [Bug 60621] Case sensitive sorting is broken || [Bug 60589] REGRESSION [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files and templates
23:59:26 <jmadero> jorendc: congrats on the tests!
23:59:36 <jorendc> thanks jmadero  :D
23:59:42 <jorendc> hi btw, didn't saw you came online
23:59:53 <jmadero> just got on
00:00:04 <jorendc> I see :)
00:00:09 <jorendc> what's up over there?
00:00:29 <jmadero> not too much, had a great weekend, now just building LibreOffice and walking my buddy through Ubuntu 12.10 install
00:00:34 <jmadero> I broke his system;)
00:00:40 <jmadero> Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade sucks apparently
00:01:05 <jorendc> loool :D
00:01:24 <jorendc> Great you had a good weekend :D
00:01:31 <jorendc> nice to hear that
00:01:46 <jorendc> good*
00:02:27 <jorendc> jmadero: you pulled stats this weekend too :D?
00:02:41 <jmadero> yeah pulling right now
00:02:45 <jmadero> pulled yesterday
00:02:52 <jorendc> jmadero: 1466 bugs found. ... todays high (when I start triaging = 1491)
00:02:53 <jmadero> going to try to get weekly stats out, might be too much though
00:03:04 <jmadero> 1466 geeze
00:03:18 <jorendc> we almost hit the 1500 :s
00:03:22 <jmadero> lol
00:04:16 <jorendc> jmadero: lol ... I triaged 36 bugs today xD https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Now&query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2013-02-10&list_id=229029&emailqa_contact1=1&email1=joren.libreoffice%40telenet.be&product=LibreOffice&emailtype1=substring
00:04:26 <jorendc> 8 hours of work :p
00:04:28 <jmadero> hahaha damn
00:04:34 <jmadero> 15 minutes per bug, not bad ;)
00:04:40 <jorendc> Indeed
00:04:49 <jorendc> I was thinking that too :D
00:04:53 <jmadero> so jorendc I think we need to go to mailing list and try to find a couple more people
00:04:57 <jmadero> user mailing list
00:05:05 <jorendc> great idea
00:05:10 <jorendc> oh yeah, jmadero
00:05:14 <jorendc> I had a great email
00:05:28 <jmadero> ??
00:05:31 <jorendc> I reproduced a couple of bugs from a quite active bug reporter
00:05:35 <jorendc> I'll forward it to you
00:06:56 <jorendc> jmadero: see mail. I asked him to forward it to the QA mailinglist is he would like to do that :)
00:07:49 * colonelqubit is still running 12.04. Maybe he'll wait for 13.04
00:08:07 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah upgrade really borked my buddies machine
00:08:12 <jmadero> so he's clean installing 12.10
00:08:19 <jmadero> but he doesn't run Unity which I thinkw as the issues
00:08:23 <colonelqubit> ah, okay
00:08:32 <colonelqubit> unity doesn't usually bother me
00:08:46 * jorendc loves cinnamon ... :D
00:09:03 <jmadero> he runs Gnome Shell
00:09:04 <jmadero> he loves it
00:09:08 <jmadero> the integrated chat is sweet
00:09:12 <jmadero> I really wish Enlightenment had it
00:09:17 <jorendc> :)
00:09:17 <colonelqubit> but half my work I could just do in a VT100 terminal, so...
00:09:25 <jorendc> hehe
00:10:14 <colonelqubit> jmadero: any further hints on what happened with fdo#60456
00:10:18 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice major/high NEW : Bug Submission Assistant offers wrong choice for LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60456
00:10:42 <jmadero> colonelqubit: that is brkoen still
00:10:45 <jmadero> we are trying to track down problem
00:10:50 <jmadero> four of us are involved already
00:10:58 <jmadero> I think the website update broke it
00:11:17 <colonelqubit> was the version renamed in bugzilla?
00:11:49 * colonelqubit doesn't see '4.0.0.3 rc' in the fdo list
00:12:34 <jmadero> 4.0.0.3 release
00:12:35 <jmadero> is the right one
00:12:40 <jmadero> our policy is last RC becomes release
00:12:55 <colonelqubit> right
00:13:10 <jmadero> BSA is broken
00:13:14 <jmadero> because it still shows 4.0.0.3 rc
00:13:19 <colonelqubit> what I'm saying is that in bugzilla, i see '4.0.0.3 release'
00:13:20 <jmadero> but fdo doesn't have that
00:13:24 <colonelqubit> not both
00:13:31 <jmadero> it can't have both
00:13:36 <jmadero> well our policy is not
00:13:42 <jmadero> we just renmae rc
00:13:43 <jmadero> to release
00:13:54 <jmadero> that policy was made long before me, I think it's a bit confusing
00:13:55 <colonelqubit> that's what I was asking -- if the version # is renamed in the db
00:14:01 <jmadero> yeah
00:14:03 * colonelqubit agrees
00:14:18 <jmadero> but changing it at this point, won't happen
00:14:22 <jmadero> so RC3 = release
00:14:27 <jmadero> just a rename in FDO
00:14:42 <colonelqubit> right. I was just curious if it's perhaps the action of the rename that the BSA can't handle
00:14:51 <colonelqubit> especially if the BSA maintains any state itself
00:15:04 <jmadero> nah, it worked fine before ( I update both)
00:15:13 <colonelqubit> ah, ok
00:15:17 <jmadero> almost guaranteed it's the website change
00:15:26 <colonelqubit> very weird!
00:15:33 <jmadero> also we did further testing, basically we can't edit anything on BSA
00:15:38 <jmadero> Rob tried just changing font color
00:15:41 <jmadero> didn't work
00:15:43 <colonelqubit> oh, well that would do it
00:16:00 <colonelqubit> fl0eff have any success?
00:16:09 <jmadero> he's involved also
00:16:13 <jmadero> so far, no solution
00:18:52 <colonelqubit> weird! gremlins, for sure.
00:19:13 <jmadero> yeah, really bad right upon release of 4
00:19:16 <jmadero> really really bad
00:19:26 <jmadero> changing website at same time as release, not my favorite idea
00:19:35 <colonelqubit> As I noted, I just felt bad for all the users I pointed at that url via the Ask site
00:19:46 <jmadero> yeah
00:20:13 <colonelqubit> everyone was very gracious and accommodating, so it worked out :-)
00:20:21 <colonelqubit> okay, I need to go figure out how to turn a pumpkin into soup.
00:20:33 * colonelqubit wishes he had a fairy godmother
00:20:53 <colonelqubit> I'll be in and out. Jorendc gave me a list of some website bugs to triage :-)
00:21:26 <jmadero> jorendc: I'll take a look at the email in a bit
00:21:31 <jorendc> sure :)
00:21:47 <jorendc> colonelqubit: hehe, you don't have to traige them... only if you want and have time for it :)
00:22:15 <colonelqubit> I know. But thanks for being so nice about it
00:22:36 <colonelqubit> A kind word is the best way for us to encourage others to contribute
00:22:42 <colonelqubit> well, that and leading by example
00:22:45 * colonelqubit stares at jmadero
00:23:22 <jmadero> :-D our community is pretty ideal
00:23:26 <jmadero> we all lead by example
00:24:05 * colonelqubit will try to get a few triaged...but won't come close to jorendc's 36.
00:24:22 <jorendc> hehe :p I'm just a freak...
00:24:35 <jorendc> I was a bit sick today... couldn't go outside or do something active
00:24:36 <colonelqubit> yes, yes, but you're OUR freak
00:24:56 <jorendc> I think 37 (now :D) is euh ... my personal days record for now :p
00:25:55 * jorendc will try to confirm one more bug and then goes to bed
00:26:04 <jmadero> jorendc: well done sir!
00:26:05 <jmadero> haha
00:26:11 <jorendc> I don't like odd numbers :D
00:26:14 <jorendc> thanks jmadero xD
00:34:28 <jorendc> jmadero: colonelqubit: 1464 bugs found.  enough for today :D
00:34:46 <jorendc> see you (probably tomorrow evening (noon your timezone)
00:35:10 <jmadero> jorendc: have a great night
00:35:16 <jmadero> I'll be on tomorrow
00:35:23 <jorendc> yeah ... a nice warm bed :D
00:35:27 <jmadero> haha
00:35:30 <jorendc> superb. See you
00:35:40 <jorendc> bye mates :)
01:00:17 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60622] : Send as e-mail does not attach document
02:04:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Base report headers
02:34:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: where to find releases older than latest 2 ?
04:04:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Librewriter changes document when it is reopened
05:46:01 <jmadero> sbrown: welcome to the chat, haven't seen you around before
07:05:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer doesn't adjust spaces between drag and dropped sentences properly
07:14:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60626] [Feature Request] Allow custom font sorting || [Bug 60627] EDITING: CRASH when 'Format - Bullets and Numbering'
08:46:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60629] TDF Site Dwonload - Release Notes: Clear Version number missing || [Bug 60630] LibreOffice creates thousands tmp files in %appdata%\LibreOffice\3\user || [Bug 60631] Online translation || [Bug 60632] Edit-Repeat does not work for bullets
08:53:51 <pmladek> colonelqubit: Ah, we need another build system to be able to enable the Impress remote feature in the release build on Linux because the current one is too old and does not support the functionality. We did not realize this in time because nobody tested it in the release build :-( We are working on the new system but I can't promise any real date. I do not have it under my control.
09:07:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: will I be able to dump all references to microsoft from my laptop and just stick with Libre?
09:17:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60635] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: If not existing Version has been selected submit with Version "unspecified" || [Bug 60636] Setting value in Base Form from Basic doesn't work || [Bug 60589] [Template manager]: Can not copy styles between different files and templates || [Bug 60634] BASIC: This is my test bug "latest known working"
09:38:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Spell Check Vs Context Menu Created Documents
09:48:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60640] Send / Email as... Evolution || [Bug 60638] Libvisio: Cisco stenciels donest get shown correctly || [Bug 60639] Libvisio: Importing and using Cisco Stencils || [Bug 60642] Can not display / create comments in LO Impress || [Bug 60643] EDITING - postgresql-SDBC GUI autoincrement setting not saved in Table Design mode || [Bug 60641] non-localizable string: Native Numbering
10:08:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Libre Office OS X (latest version) crashes on start.
10:18:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60646] EDITING: More... Languages || [Bug 60592] Template Changer: Can no longer assign document to different template, extension will not work || [Bug 60644] RTF import tables loses column widths || [Bug 60645] Formulas not refreshing on document (.ods) opening
10:51:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60647] FILESAVE: =CELL("filename") not updated || [Bug 60649] EDITING: Writer crash when trying to insert 'indexes and tables' || [Bug 60650] EDITING: Cutting + Pasting chart titles leads to strange behaviour and deletion of title boxes || [Bug 60648] Template Changer: Release information is very worrying
11:21:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60651] A copy/paste of shape from Microsoft Visio 2007 to Libreoffice Draw is not visible.
11:39:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: conditional formatting and clearContents
11:52:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60653] Bug Personas Firefox || [Bug 60652] Use 100% CPU when Copy freeze
12:23:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60655] [RTF filter] The table row’s height is determined incorrectly
12:39:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to save all data in a odt
12:53:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60659] FILESAVE: can't save odt file with links on images || [Bug 60660] Add ability to change template of current document
13:09:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Does LO support RTF \field SYMBOL tag?
13:24:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60594] EDITING: Enhancement request: Page count does not match visible pages || [Bug 60661] adapt Titlepage dialog to HIG
13:55:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60662] Adapt zoom dialog to HIG || [Bug 60663] Adapt hyphenation dialog to HIG || [Bug 60664] Adapt thesaurus dialog to HIG
14:25:34 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60665] PDF: pdf export: HTML H3 tag not inserted in bookmarks || [Bug 60666] VIEWING: Calc doesn't show cell color background when dark theme is use in the desktop
14:56:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60668] FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file
15:10:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to count blank cells - formerly: Check if within a range of cells (a row) there is at least one blank cell || How to add Times New Roman font?
15:17:10 <jmadero> floeff_: ping
15:17:34 <floeff_> jmadero: pon
15:17:54 <floeff_> read your mail. were you working on kermit2 (!) ?
15:17:57 <jmadero> floeff_: keep trying to get BSA back, I was able to update using git stash ; git pull -r ; git stash pop and then make but still....issue
15:18:20 <jmadero> ohh maybe not
15:18:32 <floeff_> kermit2 (!) not kermit is the new machine
15:18:41 <jmadero> ssh wsadmin@kermit.documentfoundation.org that's what I ssh to
15:18:45 <floeff_> nope, wrong :)
15:18:50 <jmadero> ah, bingo
15:18:51 <floeff_> wsadmin@kermit2.documentfoundation.org, please
15:18:52 <floeff_> :)
15:19:05 <floeff_> kermit2 will eventually be renamed to kermit, but right now, we're still in migration process
15:20:07 <jmadero> error, dammit
15:20:28 <jmadero> floeff: /bin/sh: xsltproc: command not found
15:20:54 <floeff> i was not aware this is required, because nobody documented it
15:21:25 <floeff> i'll install it now, but please ensure proper documentation
15:21:38 <pje335_NL> clear
15:21:39 <floeff> infra will insist on proper documentation for all things setup, and it will REMOVE things after some period that are not properly documented
15:22:11 <floeff> xsltproc is now installed
15:22:14 <jmadero> I'll ping Rob to do that, it's his baby :)
15:22:28 <jmadero> another error
15:22:29 <jmadero> unable to parse build/tidyout.xhtml
15:22:32 <floeff> yep. :-) legacy from the past is lack of documentation, but in the future, we are enforcing proper documentation
15:22:38 <jmadero> good
15:22:41 <jmadero> excellent policy
15:22:54 <floeff> had a hard time documenting the current setup afterwards, so... ;)
15:22:58 <floeff> hmmm .... no idea about the xhtml error message
15:23:06 <jmadero> okay Rob's going to have to fix it
15:23:13 <jmadero> at least now we're making progress
15:23:13 <floeff> file is there and has proper permissions
15:23:19 <floeff> hmm ... no ...
15:23:20 <floeff> it's EMPTY
15:23:22 <floeff> zero byte file
15:23:24 <jmadero> build/tidyout.xhtml:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found
15:23:27 <jmadero> that's the full error
15:23:32 <floeff> -rw-r--r-- 1 wsadmin www-data    0 Feb 11 16:09 tidyout.xhtml
15:23:37 <floeff> no idea why it's empty :/
15:23:45 <jmadero> wonder if it's empty over at the original one also
15:23:49 <jmadero> kermit instead of kermit2
15:23:55 <floeff> can you have a quick look?
15:24:10 <jmadero> sure
15:24:20 <floeff> thx!
15:24:43 <jmadero> one thing I notice is it's a different directory
15:25:03 <jmadero> before it was bugassistant.libreoffice.org/libreoffice
15:25:08 <jmadero> that I did the make
15:25:30 <floeff> libreoffice is just a symlink to website ;)
15:26:24 <jmadero> def. not empty
15:26:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60669] Multiple shapes selecting not working when image in ODT file || [Bug 60670] Erro tyring to run the "HelloWorld" python macro
15:27:01 <floeff> if you connect via ssh -A wsadmin@kermit to the old machine, you can copy over files via scp (-A = agent, iow. your key is stored in memory)
15:27:08 <jmadero> -rw-r--r-- 1 wsadmin users 159029 2013-02-11 16:00 tidyout.xhtml
15:27:16 <floeff> however, i'm not sure how the git magic here works, so maybe we should wait for rob to not overwrite stuff
15:27:24 <floeff> i lack insight into the BSA
15:27:38 <jmadero> floeff: sounds good, Rob should be on in an hour or two, I'll tell him about oru findings
15:27:41 <floeff> and IIRC he told just using git should do the trick - maybe the git repo is wrong then, but i'm not sure :/
15:27:44 <jmadero> hopefully that's the only file
15:27:45 <floeff> thanks for trying out jmadero !
15:27:53 <jmadero> sure, thanks for locating the issue
15:27:53 <floeff> can you send a quick follow-up asking rob to have a look?
15:27:56 <floeff> no problem ;)
15:28:01 <jmadero> yeah I'll email him
15:31:15 <floeff> thanks a lot! ;)
15:34:29 <jmadero> off to work
15:34:42 <jmadero> floeff: did you see my email about the new website also
15:34:53 <jmadero> we had a VERY passionate (new) QA member
15:34:55 <jmadero> very unhappy
15:35:15 <jmadero> I finally ended the conversation because it became all metaphysical ;)
15:35:26 <jmadero> but basically the gist is all the computers on the new site look like Apple products
15:35:51 <jmadero> he said it's contradictory to our core of being open
15:36:09 <jmadero> I say, perhaps, but more so, it gives a mixed message about who/what our priority is and possible lawsuits
15:37:00 <jmadero> okay late for work
15:37:02 <jmadero> I'llb e back in 230
15:37:03 <jmadero> 30
15:40:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO4: placeholder deletes paragraph || With BASIC how do you select the next table?
15:40:36 <floeff> jmadero: no, but i have a rather big backlog of emails atm :/
15:57:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60671] Compound two-argument relation expressions calculated as abbevaition for AND || [Bug 60672] FILEOPEN INSERT 'Link to external data' The link could not be updated.
16:40:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libo 4.0.0.3 gets: no suitable windowing system found, exiting.
16:59:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60673] FILEOPEN Diacritic characters in form button labels are lost when importing XLSX from MS Office 2013
17:09:25 <jorendc> hi jmadero
17:10:41 <jmadero> jorendc: morning!
17:10:46 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I'm trying to enter a formula referencing another sheet. When I click the mouse the sheet+cell reference is not entered in the input line. Ver. 4.0 || Copy/Paste from LibreOffice 4 to Internet Browser
17:10:48 <jorendc> morning :)
17:11:50 <jorendc> how is bugcrunching going :)?
17:11:54 <bgranados> Good morning!
17:12:20 <jorendc> good morning bgranados
17:12:41 <jorendc> how are you bgranados :-)
17:13:04 <jorendc> first time I see you here around, am I right?
17:13:27 <bgranados> No, I went by furubagirl last week, and then lurked a few other days.
17:15:32 <jmadero> :)
17:15:41 <jmadero> jorendc: working on 3.5 MAB
17:15:45 <jmadero> I think I'm going to piss some people off
17:15:46 <jmadero> lol
17:16:00 <jmadero> I went through the history of one, the reporter changed his own bug to NEW and then placed his own bug on MAB
17:16:06 <jmadero> I changed it back to UNCONFIRMED and removed from MAB
17:16:23 <jorendc> lol
17:16:40 <jmadero> been on the list for like 5 months, no one noticed
17:16:41 <jorendc> jmadero: are you currently building?
17:16:47 <jmadero> nah, I built yesterday
17:16:52 <jorendc> jmadero: -> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60668
17:16:55 <IZBot> bug 60668: LibreOffice-Writer critical/high NEW FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file
17:17:10 <jmadero> I'll check it out now
17:17:16 <jmadero> we found the issue with BSA
17:17:19 <jorendc> I can confirm a crash ... I'm now building, so I can not provide any symbols/backtrace for now
17:17:19 <jmadero> now, trying to find a solution
17:17:26 <jorendc> ooh, I saw some mails passing by
17:17:34 <jorendc> great you guys found it :o!
17:17:55 <jmadero> Florian did ;)
17:17:58 <jmadero> I just helped debug it a bit
17:18:53 <jorendc> so... you helped :)!
17:19:04 <jorendc> ... and... you did a great job :D!
17:19:17 <jmadero> ah indeed a regression on this one
17:19:20 <jmadero> dealing with it now
17:20:00 <jorendc> jmadero: regression?
17:20:06 <jorendc> jmadero: you can open it with 3.6?
17:20:13 <jorendc> I mean, save it
17:20:51 <jmadero> yeah
17:21:01 * jorendc starting up his MacOSX :p
17:22:32 <jorendc> indeed, I can save it too using 3.6.4.2
17:23:16 <jmadero> I'm going through bibisect now
17:23:27 <jorendc> superb
17:23:40 * jorendc downloading 3.6.5.2 for his mac right now :p
17:24:07 <jmadero> lol I had to download 3.5.2 or something
17:24:08 <jmadero> to test a bug
17:24:08 <jmadero> haha
17:24:20 <jmadero> we need to finish that 3.5 MAB list
17:24:24 <jmadero> I think about 20 left total
17:24:28 <jmadero> I've done about 7 or 8 today
17:26:03 <jmadero> colonelqubit: welcome!
17:26:15 <jmadero> colonelqubit: we've located problem with BSA, hopefully fixed in the next couple hours
17:27:54 * colonelqubit waves
17:27:58 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit :D!
17:28:02 <colonelqubit> re: bugzilla
17:28:14 <jorendc> nice jmadero
17:28:32 <jmadero> jorendc: I tried competing with you last night, I think I did 15 bugs
17:28:33 <jmadero> ;)
17:28:41 <jorendc> hehe :D
17:28:43 <jmadero> couldn't get to the 40 or w/e you did
17:28:43 <jmadero> haha
17:28:50 <jorendc> 38 :D
17:28:51 <jmadero> my goal this week is 100
17:28:58 <jmadero> 8 today is a good start
17:29:01 <jorendc> wow, that'll be nice :)
17:29:07 <jorendc> yes, and 8 hard ... because they are on the MAb
17:29:09 <jorendc> MAB*
17:29:32 <jmadero> ah, they weren't that hard ;)
17:29:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60674] Provide better access to the selection of custom background colors for slides (page setup menu)
17:31:33 <colonelqubit> who is in charge of closing bugs? I reported fdo#60619, and fl0eff fixed it. Should I now mark it as closed?
17:31:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium RESOLVED FIXED : IRC: Topic of #documentfoundation IRC channel announces "next public Board call Wednesday, Jan 9th at 1600 UTC" https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60619
17:32:03 <jorendc> jmadero: I'll not alter bug fdo#60668 ;-). I think we already know that, but I didn't put the regression-keywords etc; so feel free to add it :p
17:32:07 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/high NEW FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60668
17:32:14 <jmadero> just finished ;)
17:32:20 <jorendc> colonelqubit: it's already closed
17:32:21 <jmadero> added michael stahl also
17:32:32 <mmeeks> jmadero: nice work with the 3.5 bugs BTW. :-)
17:32:40 <jorendc> colonelqubit: it's resolved fixed, therefore it's good
17:32:41 <mmeeks> great to see them going ever lower ...
17:32:43 <jmadero> mmeeks: thanks :) trying to get that listdwn
17:32:49 <mmeeks> yep ...
17:32:51 <jmadero> a few of them I disagree that they should be on there
17:32:54 <jmadero> but, I side on caution
17:32:59 <mmeeks> heh :-) sure ...
17:33:05 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ps you can mark it as 'verified fixed' ... that's the last step in our 'perfect workflow'
17:33:11 <colonelqubit> jorendc: ah, okay
17:33:13 <jmadero> I think it's hard to remove something from MAB after it's been on the list a year ;)
17:33:15 <mmeeks> one has to wonder - since they've been there un-fixed for a year+ ...
17:33:32 <jmadero> I've seen a couple where the reporter put it on MAB, that annoys me, so I remove it
17:33:42 <colonelqubit> jorendc: what about 'closed fixed' ?
17:33:52 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no need for that :)
17:33:54 <jmadero> and...I saw a comment by Rainer that made me twitch ;)
17:34:13 <jmadero> something like "I put this bug on hard hack list also (....for whatever that's worth)"
17:34:13 <jorendc> colonelqubit: as far I know we only use 'closed' for unwanted bug reports etc
17:34:17 <colonelqubit> ah, okay
17:34:40 <jmadero> ertai_NL: just the man I was waiting for!
17:34:42 <jmadero> let's fix BSA
17:34:43 <jmadero> haha
17:35:15 <jorendc> colonelqubit: the 'ideal' workflow for a bug is: UNCONF -> NEW -> ASSIGNED (+ dev in assigned to field) -> RESOLVED FIXED -> VERIFIED FIXED :-)
17:35:23 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Is that workflow on the QA wiki pages somewhere? I looked at the triage page and the bug report page, but didn't see it
17:35:36 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes.. but we need to install software on the server
17:35:38 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but there are many 'not verified but resolved' fixed
17:35:49 <jorendc> colonelqubit: good question
17:35:51 <jmadero> floeff: ping
17:36:01 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'll look for it; If I can't find it, I'll place it on my todo list
17:36:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: thanks for asking/marking
17:36:15 <jmadero> ertai_NL: we saw that the file was empty on the new server and couldn't figure out why
17:36:26 <ertai_NL> we need the package tiny
17:36:27 <jmadero> when I compared the old server to the new one, the files were different
17:36:31 <jmadero> ohh
17:36:33 <ertai_NL> tidy
17:36:38 <jmadero> then it generates the file?
17:36:53 <ertai_NL> probably.. let me look for the other tools needed
17:36:56 <jmadero> ertai_NL: Florian said "documentation is vital" ;)
17:37:02 <colonelqubit> jorendc: perhaps https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-FAQ
17:37:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes indeed
17:37:50 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-FAQ#How_to_Validate_a_Bug_Fix
17:37:53 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes.. didn't keep that up.. my fault
17:38:02 <jmadero> I never keep it up....horrible habit
17:38:06 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but a kind of 'visual workflow' would be nice here ...
17:38:07 <ertai_NL> but first I should know where the old documentation is
17:38:11 <colonelqubit> jorendc: agreed
17:38:14 <jmadero> I think the new server has something that automatically purges stuff if documentation isn't there
17:38:34 <jmadero> jorendc: we rarely do verified....
17:38:36 <jmadero> just don't have the man power
17:38:45 <jorendc> correct jmadero :)
17:38:53 <jmadero> although we're growing
17:39:01 <jorendc> but I try to do with all bugs I'm in QA field
17:39:05 <jmadero> oh yeah, so, I had an idea based on the email you forward to me
17:39:07 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^
17:39:07 <ertai_NL> jmadero: yes.. but if that's true they should tell people that the documentation is really requered then
17:39:08 <jorendc> (test them using master build and verify them)
17:39:33 <jmadero> I read half of the email about and then started developing my ideas ;)
17:39:39 <jmadero> some good suggestions for sure in it
17:39:45 <jorendc> jmadero: yes, Agreed
17:40:01 <jorendc> jmadero: interesting insigts
17:40:02 <jmadero> so, one idea is that the core QA team gets a short list (10 or less bugs) of what appear to be VERY easy bugs to triage
17:40:16 <jmadero> and we mail to the user list "can someone(s) take a look at these bugs)
17:40:21 <ertai_NL> floeff: you there?
17:40:31 <jorendc> *insights
17:41:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: libodbc.so.1 missing. please help
17:42:10 <jmadero> mmeeks: I already pinged Michael Stahl over this one but it seems to be quite bad fdo#60668
17:42:13 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/high NEW FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60668
17:42:23 <jmadero> crashes with our native format....
17:43:00 <jorendc> jmadero: agreed on that one... a list of 1450 unconfirmed bugs right now is ... demotivating
17:43:23 <jmadero> but if a couple users just start poking around
17:43:26 <jmadero> and can quickly triage a couple bugs
17:43:36 <jmadero> maybe they'll get inspired
17:43:37 <jorendc> yes
17:43:46 <jmadero> or sucked into the quagmire more likely
17:43:51 <jorendc> maybe we need a kind of 'whiteboard' status for this kind of bgs
17:44:06 <jmadero> I was thinking about that, we can discuss during QA call
17:44:15 * jorendc going to eat; I'll stay online and read it afterwards (will be back in ~20min)
17:44:26 <jmadero> enjoy
17:44:31 <jorendc> indeed jmadero ... I asked him if he could post that mail on our QA list
17:44:42 <jorendc> and if he can do it, we only send it to our core QA team
17:44:43 <colonelqubit> jorendc: re: changing status in bug reports, I've seen you (and others) manually indicate in your comment when you change field values. Any reason that info can't get appended automatically as a comment?
17:44:45 <mmeeks> jmadero: thanks - is it a MAB sounds like it shoudl be.
17:44:57 <jmadero> I'll add now
17:45:05 <jmadero> I feel like regression always means MAB ;)
17:45:11 <jorendc> colonelqubit: agreed; but not always applicable because sometimes we need to explain why we do so
17:45:15 <jmadero> what is the order that developers take on bugs
17:45:19 <jmadero> do regressions come first or MAB
17:45:19 <jorendc> but I'll explain that after my dinner :)
17:45:44 <mmeeks> jmadero: um - it's a bit random; and no-one knows - but there are a bazillion regressions and fewer MABs - so I suspect they do MABs first.
17:45:56 <jmadero> ah, good to know
17:46:14 <jmadero> I wonder if Bjoern could make a super bibisect, that begins from day 1 and goes to present....
17:46:17 <jmadero> oh the joy of that
17:46:22 <mmeeks> heh
17:49:00 <jmadero> ertai_NL: can we install without Florian?
17:49:00 <ertai_NL> is there a irc-channel for the infrastructure guys?
17:49:02 <jmadero> it'd be really nice to solve it
17:49:07 <jmadero> #tdf-infra I believe
17:53:17 <jmadero> our chat is becoming quite large :-D
17:53:19 <jmadero> I remember when it was 2 people
17:59:36 <jmadero> pje335_NL: how's it going
17:59:57 <ertai_NL> jmadero: I have fixed the versioning manually in BSA
18:00:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60678] Extensionname: test
18:00:14 <jmadero> ertai_NL: thanks, to automate it we have to wait for Florian?
18:01:00 <jmadero> indeed, confirmed it's fixed
18:01:06 <pje335_NL> i am doing fine than you, how you doing
18:01:27 <jmadero> ah, it's Monday
18:01:30 <jmadero> enough said ;)
18:01:53 <pje335_NL> to day is a good day but its stil moday yes
18:04:11 <ertai_NL> jmadero: some admin guy needs to install tidy
18:04:23 <jmadero> just saw the email, perfect
18:04:29 <jmadero> at least it's good until next beta
18:05:58 <jmadero> closed fdo#60456
18:06:01 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice major/high RESOLVED FIXED : Bug Submission Assistant offers wrong choice for LibreOffice 4.0.0.3 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60456
18:16:54 <jorendc_eat> hi pje335_NL :)
18:17:08 <pje335_NL> ey, how you doing
18:17:13 <jorendc_eat> jmadero: ^^ 60456 closed :D?
18:17:17 <jorendc_eat> so BSA is fixed?
18:17:33 <jmadero> it's half fixed ;)
18:17:36 <jmadero> for users it looks fixed
18:17:37 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL, I'm doing fine... had a bad day altough :p but I'm back home..
18:17:44 <jorendc> ok; good to hear that
18:17:57 <jorendc> how are you pje335_NL ?
18:18:01 <jmadero> I'm almost at my 1,000th comment
18:18:03 <jmadero> :)
18:18:08 <jorendc> woah :D
18:18:17 <jorendc> how did you count that :p?
18:19:26 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&email1=jmadero.dev%40gmail.com&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=229849&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limi
18:19:27 <jmadero> :)
18:19:39 <jorendc> mmh, isn't the full url I think
18:20:00 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=PLEASETEST&email1=jmadero.dev%40gmail.com&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=229849&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
18:20:11 <pje335_NL> jorendc: i am doing excelent i think this is a special day for me
18:20:24 <jmadero> I guess "almost 1,000" is an exaggeration
18:20:25 <jmadero> haha
18:20:27 <jmadero> 850
18:20:28 <jorendc> pje335_NL: oh, I'm glad to hear that
18:20:35 <jorendc> pje335_NL: what's special today :)?
18:20:42 <jorendc> pje335_NL: your birthday? :o
18:20:50 <pje335_NL> no that is september
18:20:58 <jorendc> jmadero: 546 bugs found.  :p that's better then me ... :(
18:21:02 * jorendc *sip*
18:21:04 <jorendc> ;-)
18:21:22 <jmadero> haha I've been involved quite a bit longer, you'll pass me up fast
18:21:28 <pje335_NL> i want home and i wanned to do my home work and al of a sudent i understand it and i liked it so weart
18:21:46 <pje335_NL> and now i am felling good
18:22:28 <jorendc> pje335_NL: ooh, that's very good :)
18:22:45 <jorendc> pje335_NL: so you don't need to make any homework now :)?
18:23:03 <pje335_NL> i am done with it :)
18:24:49 <jorendc> good pje335_NL :)!
18:24:53 <jmadero> jorendc: pje335_NL ertai_NL colonelqubit: by thursday I need 5 "Hard Hacks" to give to developers
18:24:57 <jmadero> if any of you want o nominate one, please let me know
18:25:11 <jmadero> preferably LibreOffice 4 MAB's of at least bugs against LibreOffice 4
18:25:18 <jmadero> but 3.6 MAB also qualify
18:25:20 <jorendc> jmadero: what's the definition of a hard hack?
18:25:38 <jmadero> appear to be particularly tricky to fix + most likely affect a decent number of people
18:26:19 <jorendc> ok; so as the name suggests ... just hard to fix for a volunteer developer
18:26:21 <jorendc> ?
18:26:39 <jmadero> yeah, like hard + annoying ;)
18:26:45 <jmadero> our core developers tackle these
18:26:48 <jmadero> usually quite fast
18:27:31 <jmadero> like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40594
18:27:35 <IZBot> bug 40594: LibreOffice-Writer major/high NEW FILEOPEN .docx (MSO2010) does not show CHART object
18:28:43 <colonelqubit> jmadero: cool, thanks
18:29:33 <jmadero> oh yeah and Enhancements don't qualify
18:30:11 <colonelqubit> jmadero: A number of users were reporting that Calc was slower since (IIRC) 3.6. Not sure there's much we can do on that front
18:30:24 <jmadero> not without specific bug reports
18:30:28 <jmadero> with attachments
18:30:35 <jmadero> so that QA can time the difference
18:30:49 * colonelqubit speeds off to look
18:31:06 <jmadero> slower as in opening files, saving files, editing files?
18:31:09 <jmadero> extension type?
18:35:31 <jorendc> jmadero: if you see a bug report about docx and a header, this could be fixed on master now
18:35:40 <jorendc> jmadero: see https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/2062/ and https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/2065/
18:35:42 <jmadero> jorendc: nice :-D
18:35:47 <jmadero> your patch?
18:38:29 <jorendc> no no :p too advanced for me :o
18:38:43 <jorendc> =p
18:40:38 <jmadero> jorendc: I have a bug for you maybe
18:40:39 <jmadero> lol
18:40:41 <jmadero> (hopes)
18:40:43 <jmadero> beyond hoping
18:40:50 <jmadero> it is our only lapsed hard hack
18:41:07 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33302
18:41:08 <jorendc> jmadero: which one :p?
18:41:10 <IZBot> bug 33302: LibreOffice-Libreoffice major/high NEW FILEOPEN/EDITING RTL text: parentheses and brackets "(...) [...]" inverted to ")...( ]...[" with some fonts
18:41:33 <jmadero> maybe mmeeks can give you some pointers ;)
18:41:42 <jmadero> or michael stahl
18:41:44 <jorendc> howly mowly :p ... that sounds like a hardhack :o
18:41:56 <jmadero> hahaha
18:41:59 <jmadero> you can do it!
18:43:32 <bgranados> I need advice on prioritizing a bug that I have confirmed.
18:43:34 <bgranados> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60666
18:43:38 <IZBot> bug 60666: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED VIEWING: Calc doesn't show cell color background when dark theme is use in the desktop
18:44:17 <jorendc> bgranados: you know our flowchart we use? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
18:44:24 <bgranados> Yes
18:44:51 <jmadero> hm tricky
18:44:54 <bgranados> I'm thinking this  would fall under minor, because it only affects a user with certain themes?
18:44:54 <jmadero> no loss of data
18:45:08 <jmadero> yes that would be my suggestion I think :-D
18:45:18 <jmadero> normal could be argued, but I would say minor is good
18:45:19 <jorendc> agreed bgranados :-)
18:45:23 <bgranados> Okay, I just don't want to offend someone. :/
18:45:32 <jmadero> if you do, ping one of us
18:45:38 <jmadero> if they get angry
18:45:47 <jmadero> usually they don't, sometimes they argue the low priority
18:45:58 <jmadero> but, if you explain in the comments, usually they accept our decision
18:46:16 <jmadero> no loss of data, only happens with one theme, not affecting a lot of users
18:46:21 <jmadero> doesn't prevent high quality, professional work
18:46:31 <jmadero> only prevents them from seeing that work with a single theme
18:46:40 <jmadero> it could actually be a bug with the theme
18:46:47 <bgranados> Alright, that's what I think. I guess if it ends up affecting work with other commonly used themes, they will reopen...
18:47:15 <jmadero> yeah, they can argue and justify why it should be higher
18:47:19 <jmadero> I'm thinking it might not be our bug
18:47:22 <jmadero> but a developer will have to confirm that
18:48:00 <jorendc> I can't add anything more then that :p ...
18:48:07 <ertai_NL> jmadero: I can build the BSA again
18:48:22 <jmadero> ertai_NL: nice! someone heard your call
18:48:25 <jmadero> who fixed it
18:49:42 <jorendc> wow nice ertai_NL ! :D
18:52:16 <jorendc> jmadero: ... regarding that RTL text bug with wrong parenthesis ...
18:52:18 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59259
18:52:21 <IZBot> bug 59259: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/highest NEW With some master pages, freezes when try to print
18:52:28 <jmadero> hard hack yes?
18:52:30 <jorendc> I'm not going to install arabic UI :p
18:52:33 <jmadero> I am trying to find a couple now
18:52:41 <jmadero> lol fair enough
18:52:42 <jmadero> ;)
18:52:42 <jorendc> yes hardhack ... for arabic
18:52:53 <jmadero> no I mean the one I pasted
18:52:55 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59259
18:52:58 <IZBot> bug 59259: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/highest NEW With some master pages, freezes when try to print
18:53:28 <jorendc> mmh jmadero these are just buggy master pages ...
18:53:48 <jorendc> jmadero: ertai_NL had also some problems with it
18:54:14 <jorendc> but yeah ... fair enough ... it'll be nice to see that fixed
18:54:20 <jorendc> and I think many users will be affected
18:54:26 <jmadero> jorendc:  how about this one https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60668
18:54:29 <IZBot> bug 60668: LibreOffice-Writer critical/high NEW FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file
18:54:54 <jorendc> yes, sure :-)
18:55:03 <jorendc> a crash always need high priority
18:55:53 <jmadero> okay one more
18:57:01 <jorendc> jmadero: you have writer-only bugs?
18:57:14 <jmadero> no
18:57:15 <jorendc> or is this a 'hard hack list' to send to all devs?
18:57:30 <jmadero> it's not to send, we discuss during ESC
18:57:36 <jmadero> and volunteers take them
18:58:17 <jorendc> ok; I have one very nasty bug with pptx
18:58:26 <jorendc> but it's not MAB4.0 or something
18:59:00 <jmadero> how about this one
18:59:02 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33281
18:59:04 <IZBot> bug 33281: LibreOffice-Printing and PDF export major/high NEW PDF Export: Rotated DRAW Vertical Text Objects shown with extreme narrow kerning and other problems
18:59:04 <jmadero> oh
18:59:07 <jmadero> yeah what is it jorendc
18:59:14 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59932
18:59:16 <IZBot> bug 59932: LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium NEW FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing wrapped text resize when re-opening saved .pptx format
18:59:33 <jmadero> good, agreed
18:59:34 <jorendc> there is something quite broken there
18:59:35 <jmadero> done :-D
19:00:01 <jorendc> even saving a simple bullet list is broken ... and I think pptx is an important extension ...
19:00:14 <jmadero> yeah
19:00:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60682] CONFIGURATION: Macro
19:02:02 <jmadero> jorendc: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks#Current_Hard_Hacks
19:02:09 <jmadero> we tend not to tell people that their bug is on hard hack list
19:02:14 <jmadero> we don't want users just spamming the hard hack list
19:02:26 <jorendc> oh, nice
19:02:34 <jmadero> so if you get nominations, put them on there :)
19:02:43 <jorendc> ok, I'll do
19:02:47 <jorendc> any whiteboard status for them?
19:02:48 <jmadero> too many lists, my goal is to replace them all with correct priorities
19:02:51 <jmadero> no
19:02:59 <jorendc> even not 'easy hack'? :p
19:03:00 <jmadero> we don't give any indication to users :)
19:03:07 <jmadero> then they are so happy when it's fixed so fast
19:03:14 <jmadero> lol
19:03:25 <jorendc> hehe
19:03:27 <jorendc> :o cheater :D
19:03:27 <jmadero> sbrown: welcome
19:03:37 <jorendc> hi sbrown
19:03:37 <jmadero> Rainer tends to tell users ;)
19:03:49 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Cheat sheet for the parts of the calc interface?
19:03:53 <jmadero> I mean it's public, there has been write ups about our hard hacks
19:04:02 <jorendc> agreed :
19:04:05 <jorendc> m)*
19:04:17 <jorendc> colonelqubit: cheat sheets :p?
19:04:27 <jmadero> like short cuts and what not?
19:04:36 <colonelqubit> like a labelled diagram indicating what all the pieces are called
19:04:50 <colonelqubit> I'm trying to give a user repro steps
19:04:50 <jmadero> not that I know of
19:05:51 <colonelqubit> Is the Input Line the box where formulae, etc.. go?
19:06:35 <jmadero> you can put it directly in a cell, just click in the cell and do =....
19:06:43 <jmadero> but yeah the top bar I'd call it input bar
19:11:00 <colonelqubit> I'm trying to describe what is displayed there...
19:11:22 <colonelqubit> ask#11871
19:11:45 <colonelqubit> well, that didn't work... :P
19:11:53 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11871/im-trying-to-enter-a-formula-referencing-another/
19:11:58 <jmadero> lol
19:12:08 <jmadero> we should ask for that
19:12:33 <jmadero> oh man
19:12:36 <jmadero> ...basic
19:12:50 <jmadero> from title at least
19:13:00 <colonelqubit> hmm?
19:13:09 <jmadero> oh nvm
19:13:13 <jmadero> lol now it seems like a bug
19:13:15 <jmadero> from first read
19:14:05 <colonelqubit> re: ask#XXXX syntax. Should I file an enhancement request?
19:14:22 <jmadero> hm I wonder who could do that for us
19:14:28 <jmadero> ertai_NL: any ideas?
19:14:39 <jorendc> cl0ph maybe?
19:14:45 <jmadero> that's who I was thinking
19:15:02 <jmadero> cloph_away: any way we can get our bot to do ask#NUMB like it does with FDO#####
19:15:05 <jorendc> isn't he the owner of the bots?
19:15:09 <jmadero> yeah
19:16:36 <colonelqubit> oh sure, until that one day when they rebel...
19:17:24 <jmadero> lol who owns who
19:17:28 <jmadero> jorendc: can you test to see if that's a bug
19:17:32 <jmadero> ask#11871
19:17:41 <jmadero> with your OS X
19:17:41 <jorendc> sure jmadero, I'm on phone now. Will do afterwards
19:17:47 <jmadero> ok
19:17:48 * jorendc puts on todlist
19:17:53 <jorendc> todo-list
19:17:57 <jmadero> :)
19:18:00 <jmadero> welcome to the club
19:19:33 <jorendc> lol :p all these todo lists
19:19:46 <jorendc> brb, I'll not respond now.
19:19:47 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Feel free to just put a comment on the Question with "@jorendc" in it somewhere -- that should ping his email (if he's got his prefs set up)
19:19:50 * jorendc jorendc_afk
19:20:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: Indeed, I got a email then :)
19:20:14 <colonelqubit> it's like the bat signal
19:21:20 * colonelqubit runs off to give jmadero enough karma so he can make comments
19:24:31 <jmadero> lol I thought I made a comment yesterday
19:24:38 <jmadero> and I had to edit it 5 times because I kept screwing up
19:26:45 <jmadero> moggi: been awhile, how's everything going?
19:31:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60683] Frame position reference lost when inporting .DOC file || [Bug 60684] FILESAVE: Images save in original format - not as requested. || [Bug 60685] FORMATTING: Writer crash when i choose to have different header in every page
19:34:18 * jmadero just had a sweet idea for a live distro that has LibreOffice built on it, so someone can program within the live enviro
19:38:53 <colonelqubit> jmadero: you did fine
19:39:19 <colonelqubit> I fixed the url for you. no worries :-)
19:39:57 <jmadero> :)
19:53:28 <jorendc> ok back
19:54:45 <jorendc> jmadero: colonelqubit: I'm now switching IRC to mac :-). So, I'll be right back and then try to confirm that ask-thing
19:59:20 <jorendc> back
20:04:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how can I 'enter'?
20:04:41 <colonelqubit> hmm?
20:04:46 <jorendc> I mean ... when I'm typing 'kind regards, <enter> joren' ... my name is on the same line
20:05:12 <colonelqubit> oh
20:05:14 <colonelqubit> <br>
20:05:24 <colonelqubit> The Ask site needs better docs
20:05:24 <jorendc> :p oh, a HTML fix ?
20:05:25 <jorendc> :D
20:05:32 <colonelqubit> probably should push that to upstream
20:05:41 <colonelqubit> lots to do...
20:05:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: isn't it supposed to be <br/>?
20:05:53 <jorendc> following HTML 4 (or 5)
20:06:02 <colonelqubit> xhtml requires the slash
20:06:17 <colonelqubit> I think html5 either says "whatever" or tries to deprecate it
20:06:26 <jorendc> oh yeah, correct
20:06:45 <colonelqubit> in this context, it's probably going through some kind of filter...so it's not really straight html anyhow
20:06:46 <jorendc> That was indeed xhtml :'-)
20:09:16 <jorendc> where is jmadero?
20:09:21 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=39007 ...
20:09:32 <jorendc> fdo#39007
20:09:35 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/high UNCONFIRMED Persistent "Restore Windows" dialog won't disappear, disables key functionality https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
20:09:49 <jorendc> ... 34 people in CC ...
20:10:08 <jorendc> just marked from RESOLVED FIXED to UNCONFIRMED :|?
20:10:09 <jorendc> what?
20:10:12 <jorendc> :p
20:44:57 <colonelqubit> hmm
21:03:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60688] soffice --version - should show more details ... || [Bug 60689] replace SUPD variable ... || [Bug 60690] kill #ifdef HORRIBLE_OBSOLETE_YIELDMUTEX_IMPL || [Bug 60691] add emacs + vim modelines to all .src and .hrc files
21:13:33 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can Libre open all files created by MS Office and vice versa?
21:34:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60635] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: If selected Version does not exist, submit with Version "unspecified" || [Bug 60692] Doesn't recognize OpenOffice.org-minimal-version value="4.0" (Extension) || [Bug 60694] Python extension cant install
22:05:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60697] AutoCorrect table under Basque (eu) contains English entries || [Bug 60696] Edit-Links - cleanup and make it work for movies ... || [Bug 60698] kill pointless one-file library ... || [Bug 60699] CONFIGURATION: Basque language auto-correct options are in English
22:14:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Deliver LibreOffice 4.0 WebApps
22:16:54 <jorendc> got to go; bye colonelqubit
22:16:56 * jorendc waves
22:35:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60701] Send Document as email fails, when application is installed to a directory with a space || [Bug 60700] de-cruftify ODF files ...
23:06:18 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60702] PRINTING: Embedded SVG graphics print without line width attributes used
23:15:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Dutchspell checking
23:36:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60703] MSDraw import: certain properties of shapes not handled correctly, leading to e.g. loss of frame borders
23:46:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is a browser-based LibreOffice planned? || Dutch spell checking
00:03:00 <colonelqubit> jorendc: poke
00:03:09 <colonelqubit> hmm
00:17:14 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Calc will not link to external data via internet || calendar extension || Conditional formatting in Table-Controls || HELP: Bizarre formatting glitch in Text Document || Fomatting not saved; text disappearing
00:48:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem with headers || ETA of improved full text justification
01:10:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60705] Can't print to rear paper feed slot on EPSON WF-3540
01:18:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I put a chart on a separate sheet in Calc? || Cannot eliminate outer border on a table
01:41:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60707] Cannot change destination directory
02:14:59 <colonelqubit> jmadero: perfect storm
02:45:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60708] ASKLIBREOFFICE: Drop-down of possible duplicates obscures and displaces Question text area || [Bug 60709] Copy paste from LibreOffice to another program lags
02:49:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How should I report a bug or enhancement request for LibreOffice documentation?
03:19:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Want to delete content by move in Navigator, and Shift+left-click to extend text selection, but cursor moves when jump to heading in Navigator.
04:49:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60710] EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments
05:52:05 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60711] Update help file/docs to reflect current capabilities of Calc re: charts on separate sheets
06:50:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: base reports format fields
06:54:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60712] On inserting New Row/column does not inherit the style of cells in table
08:27:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60713] saving large spreadsheet crashes LO
08:50:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Webdav over SSL to Ubuntu problem || Libreoffice CMIS integration with Drupal
09:22:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Drupal CMIS integration || Impress - Exporting to PDF - Missing parts of pictures
09:28:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60714] changing file associations from the change option of add/remove programs doesn't work || [Bug 60715] FILEOPEN: Underscores missing from filenames in "Recent Documents" list
09:59:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60716] 0^0=1 - Zero power zero equal one
10:29:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60717] LibreOffice 4.0 Calc FIND function + FONT viewing bugs || [Bug 60718] FILEOPEN: protected folder
10:53:10 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is there a way to change text color so a dark color Persona doesn't hide it? || Libre Office Writer Freezes after few key strokes || Writer doesn't adjust spaces between drag and dropped sentences properly
11:00:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60719] FILEOPEN: pdf file will not open
11:23:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: SVG embedding not working after Libreoffice upgrade from 3.6 to 4 || changing default file format for all terminal server users
11:31:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60720] LibreOffice 4.0 Calc double-line crossing out error
11:53:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO4 Writer - Text selection in the entire table is undone when some format is applied? || local help ignored, spellcheck locale wrong? || LibreOffice 4.0, Draw, Ubuntu x86_64, Any method to import vss/vsx Visio stencils?
12:02:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60721] when a table is split, Writer inserts a heading even when the heading option is deselected || [Bug 60722] RTF import wrong shape order and coloring problems
12:23:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Visual Basic 6 Flexgrid export to Libre Office
13:04:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60724] spelling errors and typos in binaries found by lintian
13:23:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to update between two tables?
14:07:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60725] Vertical text layout with MS Word copability || [Bug 60726] page number || [Bug 60727] : page number not add me
14:24:01 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to copy text without List Para number?
15:08:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60732] EDITING: Writer edit - Missing text when editing || [Bug 60731] Detect VLC support for multimedia on OSX if present || [Bug 60730] Crash removing last visible extension from Extension Manager
15:24:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibO4 - Edit a template || Where is the template wizard in LibreOffice 4.0.0.3?
15:31:05 <pje335_NL> hi all
15:49:19 <jmadero> hi all
15:50:25 <pje335_NL> hello jmadero  how you doing
15:50:43 <jmadero> freezing cold ;)
15:50:57 <jmadero> it's like 15 degrees here
15:50:58 <jmadero> ;)
15:51:59 <pje335_NL> ow ow -9  brrrrrrrrrr here its 1,8 --> 35 f
15:54:22 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4: Impress Remote support Greek letters in notes || How to fix deafult printer page size
15:55:02 <jmadero> haha no -
15:55:06 <jmadero> it's list 60 F here
15:55:07 <jmadero> haha
15:55:15 <jmadero> 15 C
15:55:18 <jmadero> yes?
15:55:21 <jmadero> something like that
15:55:38 <pje335_NL> ow oke
15:55:38 <jmadero> like*
15:56:40 <pje335_NL> thats isn't that cold isn't it
15:58:20 <jmadero> lol I hate even a little cold
15:58:30 <jmadero> >70 <95 is my ideal
15:59:38 <pje335_NL> yes thats the best but hre in my town its alway like 15 c
16:04:28 <jorendc> morning jmadero colonelqubit
16:04:35 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
16:04:56 <pje335_NL> hi jorendc how you doing
16:05:09 <jorendc> hi, tired but good. Thanks. you?
16:05:57 <jmadero> jorendc: morning
16:05:58 <pje335_NL> i am doing fine
16:06:06 <jorendc> superb pje335_NL :)
16:06:11 <jorendc> already at work jmadero ?
16:06:21 <jmadero> yeah, think I'm getting a cold
16:06:25 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I just send you an email
16:06:32 <jorendc> oh :s that isn't good
16:06:37 <jmadero> I reproduced this stupid bug once and now I can't again, annoying me
16:07:00 <jorendc> jmadero: but you're not the only one ... Everyone here is getting the/a flue
16:07:33 <jmadero> (hope it's not the flu)
16:08:13 <jorendc> lol :') flue is something total different then I mean haha
16:08:23 <jorendc> jmadero: yes flu; and I hope also you don't get one
16:08:44 <jmadero> yeah
16:09:05 <jorendc> jmadero: fdo#59722 <-
16:09:07 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEEDINFO FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59722
16:09:32 <jmadero> jorendc: let me finish this one first ;)
16:09:39 <jmadero> the first time it was flawless, saw the problem
16:09:40 <jmadero> now it's working
16:09:47 <jmadero> no clue why :-)!
16:10:06 <jorendc> yeah sure :-). That user changed his bug version to his current tested version
16:10:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60734] FILESAVE: Outline level of the styles is lost when saving as DOC or DOCX
16:10:23 <jorendc> but I'm a little bit to lazy to read it all, try to confirm etc
16:10:34 <jorendc> and I saw you already left a comment (NEEDINFO)
16:10:50 <jorendc> jmadero: what bug are you looking at?
16:11:05 <jmadero> fdo#60710
16:11:07 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
16:12:01 <jmadero> ;jas;dfjadsf
16:12:30 <pje335_NL> i have try that one
16:12:32 <jmadero> seriously I can't get it again
16:12:44 <jmadero> the first time I saw the exact same bug
16:13:15 <pje335_NL> furst i got the bug and then i tested it  agin and i cound't repoduce
16:13:27 <pje335_NL> or the opiside
16:13:35 <jmadero> oh, interesting
16:13:39 <jmadero> let me try with fresh profile
16:15:24 <jmadero> nope....what the hell
16:16:23 <jorendc> jmadero: pje335_NL: lol ... so this bug is reproducible only once ...
16:16:33 <jmadero> same thing for you?
16:16:45 <jorendc> jmadero: not tested yet ... I'm trying now
16:17:01 <pje335_NL> trying it on a new pc
16:18:28 <jorendc> jmadero: the word 'pink' or the colour pink?
16:18:40 <jmadero> lol word
16:18:42 <jmadero> that confused me also
16:18:48 <jorendc> xD
16:18:52 <pje335_NL> there is a video
16:18:58 <jorendc> just to be sure :p
16:18:59 <jmadero> comments can't be in color
16:19:02 <jmadero> didn't know that
16:19:50 <jorendc> euh ... I can't 'bold' it
16:20:01 <pje335_NL> i can't repoduce
16:20:04 <jorendc> I'm using latest master
16:20:18 * jorendc trying with 4.0.0
16:21:00 <jmadero> right click on the highlighted text
16:21:01 <jmadero> then you can bold
16:21:17 <jorendc> jmadero: can't in master
16:21:19 <jorendc> bug?
16:21:28 <jmadero> hm, I'm on master and I can
16:21:33 <jorendc> strange
16:21:42 <jorendc> ok, trying with 4.0.0 now
16:21:53 <jmadero> when you highlight word in comment and right click on the highlighted text
16:21:56 <jmadero> you don't see font options?
16:22:00 <pje335_NL> i tried on 4.0.0.3 and i can't
16:22:01 <jmadero> like bold, italicize
16:22:02 <jmadero> etc...
16:24:21 <jorendc> jmadero: can't confirm this using 4.0.0.3 (=release)
16:24:25 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Document automatically closes || Libreoffice 3.5.3 Lock up in XP Pro || 3.5.3 Installer not working
16:24:29 <jorendc> jmadero: nope, can't
16:24:32 * jorendc trying again
16:25:47 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm not kidding ... I can't
16:25:59 <jmadero> lol that's crazy
16:26:07 <jmadero> pje335_NL: can you test that ^^
16:26:11 <jorendc> when I click on the comment, all my options are 'grayed out'
16:26:15 <jmadero> wtf
16:26:18 <jmadero> read only file?
16:26:27 <jmadero> that wouldn't make sense
16:26:30 <jorendc> but I'm using LATEST master :p ... I build 1 houre ago...?
16:26:31 <jmadero> that is really quite strange
16:26:40 <jmadero> but you can bold on 4.0.0.0?
16:26:42 <jmadero> or release
16:26:47 <jorendc> 4.0 release yes
16:26:51 <pje335_NL> i have tested on windows this morging and i coud but then i coudn't so werd now i tryon on ubuntu
16:26:52 <jmadero> ah, indeed, maybe new bug
16:26:53 <jmadero> lol
16:27:04 <jorendc> jmadero: when did you build?
16:27:11 <jmadero> jorendc: sending you the file for fdo#59722
16:27:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59722
16:27:15 <jmadero> I can't reproduce it
16:27:21 <jmadero> I can open both files fine with MSO
16:27:29 <jorendc> ok
16:27:33 <jmadero> and I can open the original, save it, and open it with MSO again
16:27:39 <jmadero> I think user found bug with MS Office ;)
16:27:46 <jmadero> I built three or four days ago
16:28:15 <jorendc> ok :)
16:28:49 <jmadero> crap I don't want to build right now...
16:28:50 <jmadero> lol
16:29:41 <jorendc> jmadero: no need to :)
16:29:45 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm asking miklos first
16:29:51 <jorendc> I know he did some changes regarding comments
16:30:41 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to file a bug first, I just pinged miklos, but I don't know he'll see that :p
16:35:35 <jmadero> sounds good jorendc
16:35:45 <jorendc> :)
16:35:47 <jorendc> hi bgranados
16:37:40 <bgranados> hello!
16:38:51 * jmadero time to finish off the 3.5 MAB
16:39:24 <jmadero> jorendc: you on your OSX machine?
16:39:34 <jorendc> no, but I can start it
16:39:48 <jorendc> jmadero: what's your libreoffice version + build id?
16:40:08 <jmadero> jorendc: Version 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: 80cbc04c2cbe25ebdfe2f22bb2e5ba62728e963)
16:40:21 <jmadero> can you check out fdo#39007
16:40:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60735] Animation of multiple line text does not work || [Bug 60736] UI: Cannot dismiss remote control window
16:40:25 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/high NEW Persistent "Restore Windows" dialog won't disappear, disables key functionality https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
16:40:29 <jorendc> sure jmadero
16:40:36 <jmadero> thanks, stupid OSX bugs ;)
16:40:51 <jmadero> my view, the MAB is that these people have OSX in the first place ;)
16:41:43 <pje335_NL> haha
16:43:25 <jorendc> :D
16:43:45 <jorendc> and the problem is also that there are to few OSX developers :s ...
16:43:51 <jmadero> lol for a reason
16:43:59 <jmadero> they don't want to be infected with the OSX MAB
16:44:00 <jorendc> :p
16:44:16 <jorendc> jmadero: ... I think Mac OSX is euh better then Windows ...
16:44:30 <jmadero> haha I should bite my tongue ;)
16:44:33 <jorendc> jmadero: but windows is just used more :p
16:44:36 <jmadero> not supposed to have OS fights
16:44:37 <jmadero> ahha
16:44:42 <jorendc> xD
16:45:20 <jorendc> jmadero: I don't want to start a OS war here :D
16:45:29 <jmadero> lol perhaps some other time
16:45:33 <jorendc> ;-)
16:45:40 <jmadero> (although I might agree with you since OSX is just stolen from Unix)
16:45:41 <jmadero> ;)
16:46:15 <jorendc> jmadero: but if there are two computers ... 1 with osx and one with windows .. I know which one to choose
16:46:31 <jorendc> although I'm getting now quite more experienced using Linux ...
16:46:34 <jmadero> I would choose Windows, for no other reason than Apple would use my dollars to sue everyone
16:46:43 <jorendc> so my next laptop will be a Linux :D
16:46:46 <jmadero> not because Windows is > than Apple
16:47:05 <jorendc> true jmadero :)
16:47:07 <jorendc> I see your point
16:47:25 <pje335_NL> use a mac with bootcamp and evry time you boot you can diside with one you want :D
16:47:44 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I already have a dual boot on my Macbook ...
16:47:59 <jorendc> I don't have disk space to triple-boot :D
16:48:16 <jorendc> I need windows for school :s (CAD-programs and other calculation programs)
16:48:35 <pje335_NL> we got macs on school
16:49:15 <jorendc> lol, your school is trowing money away :p
16:49:47 <jorendc> (I mean ... I payed a lot for my macbook ... but I only have one :p ... a school has 10? 20 macs :p)
16:50:24 <pje335_NL> 1500 macs and now books :D
16:50:32 <pje335_NL> no *
16:50:42 <pje335_NL> ow just a little bit of books
16:52:09 <jorendc> lol ... I don't want to pay that xD
16:52:39 <pje335_NL> xd just 50 euro a year for insurens
16:54:38 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Writer with pictures often fails.
16:54:53 <jorendc> lol
16:58:27 <bgranados> when you search for bug, why are some of the results in red font?
16:58:50 <jorendc> bgranados: because they are reported/marked as an higher priority
16:59:02 <bgranados> okay, thanks.
16:59:16 <jorendc> I don't know when it starts red
16:59:22 <jorendc> I know a blocker is bold-red
16:59:30 <jorendc> critical maybe 'red'
16:59:31 <jorendc> :)
17:00:15 <jorendc> jmadero: you know what they mean with 'dialog box'?
17:01:07 <jmadero> usually that is just the dialog that comes up (for instance with print)
17:01:08 <jorendc> fdo#39007
17:01:11 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/high NEW Persistent "Restore Windows" dialog won't disappear, disables key functionality https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007
17:01:20 <jmadero> hm
17:01:41 <jorendc> maybe he's pointing to the remote dialog ...
17:01:49 <jorendc> but that'll be fixed in 4.0.1
17:02:43 <jmadero> jorendc: see the png
17:03:35 <jorendc> jmadero: I know, but I'm not sure he's pointing to that 'dialog box'
17:03:42 <jmadero> yeah he is
17:03:45 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to ask him and provide more information (which version)
17:03:54 <jmadero> I think he should start from a fresh profile also
17:04:11 <jmadero> are there any other dupes or commentors
17:04:14 <jmadero> other than devs and QA
17:04:21 <jorendc> jmadero: but I can't reproduce this ..
17:04:34 <jmadero> I say take it off of MAB
17:04:37 <jorendc> jmadero: Tor also can't because we're both using Mountain lion (10.8)
17:04:39 <jmadero> personally it's affecting one user
17:04:46 <jmadero> oh
17:04:48 <jmadero> you can't even test it?
17:04:59 <jorendc> I see this is reported against Lion (10.7)
17:05:27 <jorendc> mmh, very strange
17:06:09 * colonelqubit wanders in
17:06:40 <jorendc> jmadero: sorry, don't mind. I just read it wrong ... it's probably a >=10.7 bug ... so it's supposed I can reproduce
17:06:45 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit
17:06:49 <colonelqubit> jorendc: what's this about deleting App support folders?
17:07:59 <pje335_NL> i am going eat be back in 40 min.
17:08:58 <colonelqubit> in this font, that looks like "pie eating" :-)
17:09:25 <pje335_eating> yes it does
17:10:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60738] FORMATTING: Can't format (bold/italic/underline/...) comment text || [Bug 60739] cut/paste coding redux
17:12:32 <jorendc> colonelqubit: sorry, phone :p
17:12:42 <jorendc> colonelqubit: lets have a look
17:13:02 * colonelqubit puts on his larger glasses
17:13:32 <jorendc> colonelqubit:  "but ensured that all Application Support folders, etc. are deleted." <- that's indeed what the user said
17:13:48 <jorendc> but that suggests you need to delete ALL folders/files in the Application support folder
17:13:52 <colonelqubit> right. Is that actually the name of a folder on OSX?
17:13:57 <jorendc> yes
17:14:15 <jorendc> but if you delete that folder ... other settings from other programs will also deleted ...
17:14:18 <colonelqubit> like /Users/someone/.important/Application\ support/...
17:14:22 <jorendc> and I think we don't want to do that :p
17:14:26 <colonelqubit> heh
17:14:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see my answer on that bug
17:14:54 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I redirect him to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile#Resetting_the_user_profile
17:15:04 <jorendc> when you scroll a bit up there
17:15:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: For Mac users:  /Users/<user name>/Library/Application Support/libreoffice/3/user
17:15:31 <jorendc> (or libreoffice/4/user for the 4.0 version off course)
17:18:34 <colonelqubit> right
17:18:40 <colonelqubit> that question is looong
17:18:57 <colonelqubit> (should've put most of the content into an answer, if inline at all)
17:19:57 <colonelqubit> So what do you suggest? I can edit his replies, as well as my Answer
17:20:37 <colonelqubit> jorendc: ^^^
17:21:26 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I think we can be 99,99% sure this is a user profile bug ... and it can be solved by deleting the user profiel
17:21:28 <jorendc> profile*
17:21:36 <jorendc> see my answer ...
17:22:19 <jorendc> and because he said deleting the file in the application support folder ... my guess was right
17:22:24 <colonelqubit> :P
17:22:34 <jorendc> but I saw his comment to late
17:22:38 <jorendc> :p
17:23:42 <jmadero> 22 MAB left
17:24:38 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm now trying to reproduce fdo#59722 so we can close it if I can't reproduce that
17:24:42 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE DOCX document is saved corrupted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59722
17:25:59 <jmadero> nice
17:27:53 <colonelqubit> jorendc: "please only delete directories under Application Support that apply to LibreOffice" ?
17:28:11 <colonelqubit> I'm putting an Editor's Note at the top of his comment
17:28:32 <jorendc> yes, but I think deleting is still not good ...
17:28:38 <jorendc> or not that safe
17:28:41 <colonelqubit> ok
17:28:47 <jorendc> just please redirect to that link ...
17:28:52 <jorendc> all info is there
17:29:08 <colonelqubit> sure, I don't just want to delete his comment..
17:29:11 <jorendc> There is no need to delete this folder: in fact there is a possibility to recover something (for example, your templates).
17:29:25 <jorendc> rename the folder with your user profile (changing, for example, "user" by "user-old"). There is no need to delete this folder: in fact there is a possibility to recover something (for example, your templates).
17:29:40 <jorendc> so if a user delete it right away .. he'll lose also some information
17:29:52 <jmadero> he'll lose ALL information
17:29:52 <jmadero> ;)
17:29:55 <jorendc> renaming it is the best possible term to say :p
17:30:42 <colonelqubit> "Ed. note: Please read @jorendc's Answer below FIRST before following these instructions"
17:31:03 <jmadero> I think we need a new policy for MAB nomination
17:31:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm just finding a way to warn users to don't follow that blindly ... because they'll read: oh it's fixed by doing that -> delete appsup folder -> lost all settings of other programs to
17:31:33 <colonelqubit> If I put that in, could you please preface your question with a comment about his question?  (I'll stub it in, if you can clean it up after)
17:35:43 <jorendc> sure colonelqubit
17:36:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you mean altering my comment on his comment a bit?
17:36:47 * colonelqubit is almost done
17:38:30 * colonelqubit swims back in
17:38:56 <colonelqubit> jorendc: okay. added a note to his comment, delete my Answer, and added a note at the top of your Answer
17:39:11 * colonelqubit tags jorendc in.
17:39:37 <colonelqubit> s/delete/deleted/
17:40:48 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm not sure what I need to change more :p?
17:40:56 <colonelqubit> okay
17:41:05 <colonelqubit> just wanted you to proof my work :-)
17:41:17 <jorendc> ooh :D
17:41:22 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I think you did great!
17:42:04 <jorendc> colonelqubit: if someone have the same problem and read it now ... we don't get angry users spamming that it was wrong :p
17:42:20 <colonelqubit> take a look a the Q now....much more readable, at least :P
17:43:03 <jorendc> colonelqubit: wow :D
17:43:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how did you do that?
17:43:18 <colonelqubit> <pre>..</pre> tags
17:43:26 <colonelqubit> makes a big difference...
17:43:40 * colonelqubit spends a fair amount of time cleaning up content
17:43:48 <jorendc> nice
17:43:52 <colonelqubit> well, you probably saw a few of the title renames I did in bugzilla last night
17:44:00 <jorendc> colonelqubit: (karma: 71 badges: ● 2 ● 3) ... :p that sounds like I have 71 badges ...
17:44:08 <jorendc> yes indeed
17:44:16 <jorendc> that was very good :o!
17:44:31 <jorendc> couldn't did that :o
17:44:33 <jorendc> great summary
17:44:43 <jorendc> s/summary/summaries
17:45:02 * colonelqubit gives jorendc more badges
17:45:12 <jorendc> colonelqubit: oh :p no need to
17:45:19 <jorendc> colonelqubit: but it's not that clear I think
17:45:36 <colonelqubit> it would be neat if karma/reputation carried-over between various groups and applications
17:45:52 <jorendc> I think it'll be an enhancement to place a seperator between 71  and  badges
17:46:24 <colonelqubit> that way your work on QA would entitle you to immediately (or at least *quickly*) have the ability to do more on the Ask site
17:47:11 <jorendc> :) thanks
17:51:12 <jorendc> jmadero: can you open that powerpoint presentation using MS Office 2007? fdo#56911 see last comment of that bug for the file
17:51:15 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Presentation normal/medium NEEDINFO FORMATTING: import fichier pptx https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56911
17:51:30 <jorendc> he report it because he can't see any image in it and no colour at all
17:52:04 <jorendc> I can confirm that ... but when I open that using PowerPoint for Mac 2011 ... that presentation looks also not good
17:52:46 <jorendc> colonelqubit: <timofonic1> Hi. Are there a way to register at Ask Libreoffice without needing to use OpenID? Also, it's only available in English. While that's OK for me, I know people using Libreoffice that has no clue about English (they are from Spain, we aren't so good at English unfortunately).  I said about this before, but it seems the appropiate people didn't read my message...
17:52:56 <jorendc> (someone on the #libreoffice-dev channel
17:53:13 * colonelqubit asks jorendc to turn down the firehose
17:53:24 <colonelqubit> :P
17:53:43 <jorendc> lol
17:53:59 * colonelqubit wanders over to -dev
17:54:38 <jorendc> colonelqubit: <timofonic1> If not, I would like to contact to the appopiate people. A mailing list, a person or whatever
17:54:44 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that was his last message :p
17:54:48 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can I edit PDFs to change & insert text & images || Libre Office OS X (latest version) crashes on start. || LibreOffice 4.0 doesn't work in Win8 || while downloading I have received an Error 1335 code - "Libreoffice1.cab is corrupt. Must I abort the download or can I click on ignore?
17:55:18 <jorendc_foodtime> brb -> food
17:56:11 <jmadero> jorendc_foodtime: will do
17:56:56 <jmadero> hm, just a heads up, policy is only English in FDO
18:03:04 <jmadero> jorendc_foodtime: let me know what I'm looking for in the document, I can open it
18:03:26 <jmadero> it is a terrible presentation, lol
18:03:29 <jmadero> way too cluttered
18:03:43 <jorendc_foodtime> jmadero: ok; I need to go eat back (I just came to see if any question about that)
18:04:09 <jorendc_foodtime> jmadero: agreed about only-English policy; but I didn't have the time yet to point him to that
18:04:42 <jorendc_foodtime> jmadero: yes, I can open it too, but it looks also awfull using Powerpoint for mac ... can you confirm that using MS Office 2007?
18:04:55 <jorendc_foodtime> if so, we can close it and just call it a buggy presentation
18:04:56 <jorendc_foodtime> :-)
18:05:01 * jorendc_foodtime going to eat further
18:10:01 <jmadero> jorendc_foodtime: it's cluttered as hell but no it looks okay
18:11:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60740] Too slow to export file with lots of cells with multi-line contents. || [Bug 60741] : titilium font not showing all its available font weights || [Bug 60742] Crashes
18:24:56 <jorendc_foodtime> jmadero: okay :) thanks
18:36:57 <jmadero> this pptx is giving me a headache
18:36:57 <jmadero> lol
18:36:59 <jmadero> it's so terrible
18:37:12 <colonelqubit> jorendc: LO can open 399/400 .doc files (per email on the documentation list). Now I'm curious about that last one!
18:37:37 <jorendc> which 400 doc's colonelqubit ?
18:37:53 <colonelqubit> "I recently downloaded some files to test whether they would open in LibreOffice 4."
18:37:57 <jorendc> jmadero: agreed ... it looks terrible and it is terrible
18:37:57 <jmadero> colonelqubit: in "official" places like Ask, try to use LibO or full name :-D
18:38:06 <jmadero> long discussions have happened about using "LO"
18:38:23 <jorendc> yes :p
18:38:30 <jorendc> colonelqubit: mmh, strange
18:38:39 <jorendc> you can send me that particular doc file?
18:38:41 <colonelqubit> but LibO is 100% longer, and requires alternating use of the Shift key
18:38:49 <jmadero> lol I agree
18:38:54 <jorendc> xD
18:38:55 <jmadero> but some argue it's not a good acronym
18:38:56 <jmadero> like LOW
18:38:59 <jmadero> = crappy
18:39:01 <jmadero> lower
18:39:02 <jmadero> etc...
18:39:13 <jmadero> and it seems like the powers that may be all agree
18:39:19 <colonelqubit> LoopbackOffice
18:39:25 <jmadero> lol
18:40:34 <colonelqubit> "It's the only office suite you'll want to use at 127.0.0.1"
18:41:06 <colonelqubit> wait, make that ::1 -- I should be pushing IPv6
18:41:40 <colonelqubit> jorendc: Anyhow, back to the 1 stubborn .doc file
18:41:58 <colonelqubit> what's the protocol for testing a file: Ask user to redact, and if they can't... pass it directly to QA or a dev?
18:42:37 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm going to mark that one as duplicate. I know there already is a bug report about lost colors and about lost images
18:42:53 <jmadero> which one
18:43:40 <colonelqubit> jorendc: how should I refer to you re: the QA team? "senior member of the QA team" ?
18:44:02 <jorendc> euh ... QA-team member xD
18:44:08 <jorendc> senior sounds quite old ...
18:44:15 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I'm just 20 yet :D
18:44:19 <jmadero> lol
18:44:20 <jmadero> QA God ;)
18:44:25 <colonelqubit> I meant it more in the "experienced" sense
18:44:33 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes, I know that ;-)
18:44:36 <jorendc> lol jmadero
18:44:37 <jmadero> yeah I would say experienced QA member
18:44:41 <colonelqubit> I wanted to convey the fact that I wasn't suggesting that he give his data to some newbie
18:44:59 <jorendc> oh yeah, in that case: go ahead
18:45:08 <colonelqubit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Experienced
18:47:30 <jorendc> lol
18:50:31 <jorendc> jmadero: you have a link to our FDO policy
18:50:45 <jorendc> I would like to link it on my comment
18:51:51 <jmadero> jorendc: give me a moment I will track it down
18:53:23 <jmadero> we need to start getting details together for our contest
18:54:07 <jmadero> jorendc: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FreeDesktop_Rules_Procedures#Policies
18:54:39 <jmadero> jorendc: what bug
18:54:51 <jorendc> jmadero: that french one ... :p
18:54:58 <jmadero> ah, I should say in English ;)
18:55:05 <jorendc> I can't see anything about 'use english as communication language'
18:55:09 <jmadero> adding now
18:55:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Using Excel structured references syntax in Calc
18:55:14 <jorendc> :p sure
18:55:53 <jorendc> jmadero: what priority to give such awful presentations :p?
18:56:00 <jmadero> refresh ;)
18:56:30 <jmadero> uh, I'd say Normal - Lowest, saying that it only affects one document that we know of and that the document has a lot going on
18:56:44 <jmadero> and that it has different behavior in MSO also
18:56:48 <jmadero> (since it looks fine for me, broken for you)
18:56:53 <jorendc> agreed
18:56:54 <jorendc> thanks
18:57:08 <jorendc> btw jmadero https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60549 I would like to discuss that one with you
18:57:11 <IZBot> bug 60549: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high NEW Pictures not saved to .pptx
18:57:37 <jorendc> I can confirm that behavior, but I also can using oldest bibisectable version using bibisect40 (so libreoffice3.5.0)
18:57:54 <jmadero> I think that's a dupe
18:58:07 <jorendc> yes, agreed. but I couldn't find any :p
18:58:20 <jorendc> see my comment: "I can't find any duplicate for now, but I can't imagine there is no duplicate for this bug..."
18:59:32 <colonelqubit> jmadero:  discussion seemed to stress using the full "LibreOffice" name for marketing, but didn't seem like clear consensus against LO http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg02962.html
19:00:02 <jmadero> colonelqubit: ah, I just know I've been pinged quite a few times for saying LO as well as LibO
19:00:08 <jmadero> but LO more
19:00:13 <jmadero> jorendc: what's the question about that one
19:00:14 <colonelqubit> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding mentions "Some people asked for an acronym and the unofficial "LibO" has been proposed," but unfortunately the link (https://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00430.html) is dead!
19:00:18 <colonelqubit> :P
19:00:35 <jmadero> jorendc: I'd say your priority is good, I'd also mark as MAB against 3.6
19:00:47 <jmadero> and put it on nomination for hard hack
19:01:46 <jorendc> jmadero: 1) do you know any dupes for that one... I can't imagine at all this isn't reported yet ...
19:01:56 <jorendc> 2) priority, but you already answered that one :p
19:01:57 <jmadero> jorendc: I did a couple searches and no
19:02:04 <jmadero> but I'm sure it is a dupe, someone will find it
19:02:08 <jmadero> I don't waste much timesearching for dupes
19:02:10 <jorendc> agreed :p
19:02:14 <jmadero> I did "pptx images" and "pptx pictures"
19:02:18 <jmadero> nothing came up that stood out
19:02:24 <jorendc> yeps, did the same :D
19:11:58 <jmadero> who is Igor
19:12:06 <jmadero> curious to know who is adding bugs to MAB
19:12:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60741] FORMATTING: Libreoffice does not display different weights of one font via formatting toolbar
19:12:48 <jorendc> jmadero: never saw that one before :s
19:13:41 <jmadero> removed the bug
19:13:45 <jmadero> nominated his own, no comment in MAB
19:13:49 <jmadero> (= me really annoyed)
19:15:11 <jorendc> yes :s
19:15:23 <jorendc> send him an email?
19:16:02 <jmadero> he'll see the comment
19:16:05 <jmadero> it was direct
19:16:18 <jmadero> after our discussion about MAB I'll update the policies + MAB wiki
19:19:57 <jorendc> :) nice
19:21:08 <jorendc> jmadero: I removed fdo#60668 from the hardhack list; mich43l st4hl fixed it
19:21:11 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer critical/high VERIFIED FIXED FILESAVE: Libreoffice Writer 4.0 crashing on saving file https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60668
19:21:17 <jorendc> :)
19:21:47 <jmadero> jorendc: did you move it to "fixed hard hacks" section?
19:21:54 <jorendc> jmadero: yes :)
19:22:09 <jmadero> jorendc: let's replace it with the pptx image one
19:22:10 <jorendc> jmadero: 4 left open
19:22:12 <jmadero> that one seems quite hard to fix
19:22:17 <jmadero> (we're supposed to have 5 at all times)
19:22:24 <jorendc> ok, didn't know that :D
19:22:29 <jmadero> lol I know:)
19:22:35 <jmadero> so Thursday all should be assigned
19:22:43 <jorendc> :D niiiice :D
19:22:56 <jmadero> and hopefully by next Thursday all will be fixed
19:25:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LO4: placeholder deletes paragraph || I want to make a list box that displays results from 2 columns, how?
19:25:20 <jmadero> jorendc: we also try to keep impress/draw hard hacks to 1
19:25:31 <jmadero> core devs tend to shy away from them
19:25:31 <jmadero> lol
19:26:15 <jorendc> ok :)
19:26:27 <jorendc> lol, lets add a base hard hack :')
19:26:42 <jmadero> lol only one person will do it
19:26:42 <jmadero> Lionel
19:27:37 <jmadero> jorendc: fdo#43882
19:27:39 <jmadero> can you test that one out
19:27:40 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/medium NEW EDITING: CRASH when undo copy paste https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43882
19:27:51 <jorendc> lol jmadero or a base bug only reproducible using Mac OSX :D
19:28:15 <jmadero> hahaha
19:28:19 <jorendc> jmadero: I'll test that one
19:28:22 <jmadero> and that works 50% of the time
19:28:58 <jorendc> jmadero: ps ... and if we add that kind of bug ... set deadline to next Thurday as well :')
19:29:07 <jorendc> lol, we're bad
19:30:14 <jorendc> jmadero: did you see Roman E!s4l4 around?
19:30:21 <jorendc> didn't saw him last month/2 months :s
19:30:41 <jmadero> hm, nope
19:34:28 <jmadero> these damn people who mark their own bugs as MAB
19:34:30 <jmadero> reallly really pisses me off
19:35:12 <jorendc> agreed
19:35:49 <jmadero> Timor - that's not a dev is it/
19:35:52 <jmadero> he seems to do this a lot
19:38:19 <jorendc> Timor or Timar?
19:38:27 <jmadero> Timor
19:38:39 <jorendc> btw, can't confirm fdo#43882 yet
19:38:45 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/medium NEW EDITING: CRASH when undo copy paste https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43882
19:38:45 <jorendc> I'm going to test 3 times in total
19:38:48 <jorendc> to be sure :)
19:38:49 <jmadero> :-D
19:39:07 <jorendc> don't want to close rainer's bugs that fast xD
19:44:06 <jorendc> jmadero: did 3 tests with 'experimental features' checked; and 3 tests with 'experimental features' unchecked
19:44:18 <jorendc> so I think I can safely mark it as RESOLVED WORKSFORME... ?
19:44:23 <jorendc> or just ask rainer to do that?
19:45:34 <jmadero> mark it ;0
19:45:38 <jmadero> if he says something blame me
19:45:47 <jmadero> maybe point to Michael's comment
19:47:09 <colonelqubit> if someone says he "found many issues for OSX users," where should I send him to report the bugs?
19:47:19 <colonelqubit> (I think he might need a little guidance in filing separate bugs -- not sure I just want to send him to fdo)
19:47:28 <jmadero> bug report wiki
19:47:37 <jmadero> or mailing list where others can help him
19:47:49 <jorendc> agreed :)
19:47:51 <jorendc> btw colonelqubit
19:47:53 <colonelqubit> users' mailing list?
19:48:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082
19:48:10 <IZBot> bug 42082: LibreOffice-UI enhancement/medium NEW [META] Make LibreOffice shine and glow on the MacOSX and iOS platform. Or better: outshine other products/platforms.
19:48:19 <jorendc> <- that's a 'mab' list for Mac OSX bugs :)
19:48:21 <jmadero> colonelqubit: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
19:48:33 <jorendc> maybe you can ask him to have a look first at all those bugs
19:48:51 <jorendc> so he know which bugs are reported already for sure/which aren't
19:48:52 <colonelqubit> ...and see what's already reported. yep!
19:48:58 <jorendc> :-)
19:48:58 * colonelqubit reads jorendc's mind
19:49:06 <jorendc> colonelqubit: damn, that's scary :D
19:49:14 <jorendc> hehe :p... anyway, that list isn't complete
19:49:24 <jorendc> but that are quite common problems
19:49:27 <colonelqubit> it's like eXtreme programming... taken to the next level
19:49:40 <jorendc> :p
19:51:12 <jorendc> jmadero: 15 to go
19:51:39 <jmadero> getting there
19:51:46 <jorendc> :)
19:51:47 <jmadero> that meta bug, I doubt it'll ever get attention by Devs....
19:51:55 <jmadero> they tend to dislike meta bugs in general
19:51:57 <jmadero> other than MAB
19:52:03 <jmadero> but if it helps QA people, fine ;)
19:53:06 * jmadero hopes we'll be done with 3.5 MAB by Thursday
19:57:33 <jorendc> 14 to go
19:58:21 <jmadero> jorendc: can you confirm that this is WFM
19:58:22 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47355
19:58:24 <IZBot> bug 47355: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEW EDITING: When shrinking an object anchored as character, paragraph below it doesn't update its position
19:58:24 <jmadero> works fine for me
19:58:52 <jorendc> sure
20:00:34 <jorendc> jmadero: still can reproduce ...
20:00:50 <jorendc> jmadero: are you sure you anchor it AS character (and not TO character?)
20:01:18 <jmadero> yeah...strange
20:01:31 <jmadero> oh hold on
20:01:32 <jmadero> let me try again
20:02:25 <jmadero> indeed reproduced :-D
20:02:25 <jmadero> marking
20:03:15 <jmadero> 13
20:04:51 <jorendc> ;-)
20:04:56 <jorendc> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42939 pfff
20:04:58 <IZBot> bug 42939: LibreOffice-Drawing major/medium NEW SVG Export ignores line width
20:05:00 <jorendc> hard to reproduce I think :s
20:06:58 <jmadero> pff I disagree that that's a MAB
20:07:03 <jmadero> but Rainer reported so....
20:07:55 <jorendc> oh, I still can confirm :)
20:08:22 <jmadero> nice, just move it to 3.6 MAB
20:08:29 <jmadero> maybe put a nice comment, "are we sure this is a MAB?"
20:08:29 <jmadero> ;)
20:08:31 <jorendc> jmadero: I'll delete it from the MAB3.5 list and ask rainer to place it on the 3.6 list if he's still convinced it's a MAB3.6...
20:08:38 <jmadero> good plan
20:08:44 <jorendc> oh ok ... cross talking :p
20:09:04 <jorendc> it looks like it's reported as a regression
20:09:13 <jorendc> so I see a point why it was marked as a MAB
20:09:44 <jorendc> maybe I can run a bibisect on that one
20:10:08 <jmadero> yeah but we don't mark most regressions as MAB
20:10:14 <jmadero> only ones that seem to affect a lot of people
20:10:34 <jorendc> agreed
20:15:09 <jmadero> jorendc colonelqubit: I wanted to say thanks to both of you
20:15:11 <jmadero> you guys work really hard
20:15:19 <jmadero> our workflow has become 10x better
20:15:43 <jorendc> jmadero: no need to thank me :-). I think you're doing quite harder work ... so I/we need to thank you :)
20:15:52 <jorendc> agreed to the 10x smoother workflow
20:15:56 <jmadero> no, our team just has gotten awesome
20:16:11 <jmadero> new ideas are coming to mind that I think with our team we'll be able to tackle :-D
20:17:56 <jmadero> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=230811&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&version=3.6.0.0.beta3&version=3.6.0.1%20rc&version=3.6.0.2%20rc&version=3.6.0.3%20rc&version=3.6.0.4%20release&version=3.5.6.1%20rc&version=3.5.6.2%20release&version=3.6.1.1%20rc&version=3.6.1.2%20release&version=3.6.2.1%20rc&version=3.5.7.1%20rc&version=3.6.2.2%20release&version=3.5.7.2%20re
20:18:02 <jmadero> bibisects needed ;)
20:18:25 <jmadero> I really wish I could fix my 3.6 bibisect issue
20:19:06 <jorendc> jmadero: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44135#c28 ... I think that comment of rainer is not that nice :o
20:19:08 <IZBot> bug 44135: LibreOffice-Drawing major/medium NEEDINFO Some PDF viewers are unable to render shaded objects from Libreoffice Draw with transparency when exported as PDF
20:19:16 <jorendc> I see that the bug still exists for you, so please report a new bug. What we need is an idiot proof description how to reproduce the problem.
20:21:02 <jmadero> I would tend to agree but, he's saying idiot proof
20:21:08 <jmadero> which is just a way to say "really really basic"
20:21:17 <jmadero> he's not calling the person an idiot
20:21:45 <jmadero> fixed my 3.6 bibisect
20:21:51 <jorendc> nice :D
20:21:51 <jmadero> nope
20:21:52 <jmadero> DAMMIT
20:23:21 <jorendc> lol
20:25:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: writer doesn't save form controls || Page numbering issue in Writer
20:25:27 * jorendc downloading bibisect3.5
20:33:26 <jmadero> that list isn't quite accurate
20:33:29 <jmadero> but first MAB list
20:33:31 <jmadero> that's priority
20:35:53 <jmadero> jorendc: are you using bibisect repo?
20:36:42 <jmadero> ertai_NL: hey
20:36:49 <jorendc> jmadero: no
20:36:51 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :�
20:36:53 <jorendc> :)*
20:37:00 <jmadero> jorendc: hm, is it broken?
20:37:24 <jorendc> jmadero: can't 'git checkout latest/oldest' on that one ...
20:37:39 <jmadero> ohh
20:37:40 <jmadero> okay
20:37:43 <jorendc> and a git pull -r isn't working also
20:37:53 <jmadero> lol so it's just really broken
20:37:58 <jmadero> ;)
20:38:08 <jorendc> nah, just the flags are broken (oldest/latest'
20:38:20 <jorendc> and they are already aware of the timeout behavior
20:38:27 <jorendc> but I pinged jibel on that one ...
20:38:30 <jorendc> never saw any answer
20:38:54 <jorendc> (I'm pinging him again on the dev channel)
20:42:01 <jorendc> lol ... wtf see fdo#60726 .. he reported that as BLOCKER :')
20:42:05 <IZBot> LibreOffice-BASIC normal/medium NEEDINFO page number https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60726
20:42:09 <jorendc> he just don't know how to use page number ...
20:42:10 <jorendc> :s
20:43:17 <jmadero> lol
20:43:18 <jmadero> hahaha
20:43:24 <jmadero> INVALID - send him to ask site
20:44:06 <jorendc> jmadero: you read my thoughts :p
20:44:09 <jorendc> did so :D
20:44:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60743] Feature Request: Modify the Recent Files menu selection
20:44:41 <jmadero> lol
20:45:16 <colonelqubit> jorendc: oh, did we ever get a bibisect from before 3.5?
20:45:27 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no :p
20:45:44 <jorendc> but we need to clear the mab3.5 ... so this is reported as a regression 3.4 vs 3.5
20:45:51 <jorendc> so I think it's useful to try a bibisect there
20:45:52 <colonelqubit> hmm. I poked a bit at that code a little wihle ago
20:46:01 <ertai_NL> jmadero: hi
20:46:07 <ertai_NL> hi jorendc
20:46:10 <jmadero> how's it going?
20:46:32 <colonelqubit> but I think people said it would be p-a-i-n-f-u-l to try to resurrect the old build systems
20:46:48 <jorendc> ok, can't bibisect that one :p
20:47:30 <jorendc> bug still reproducible using oldest bibisect version of oldest bibisectpackage
20:47:42 <jmadero> ah
20:47:44 <jmadero> damn
20:48:52 <jmadero> 12 MAB left
20:48:53 <jmadero> getting there
20:49:20 <jorendc> hahaha jmadero I'm laughing my ass of right here
20:49:26 <jorendc> "But I have a new question. Can you help me with, please?"
20:49:27 <jorendc> :')
20:49:34 <jorendc> fdo#60726
20:49:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-BASIC normal/medium RESOLVED INVALID page number https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60726
20:49:38 <jorendc> wahahahaha :')
20:49:56 <jmadero> k
20:50:03 <jmadero> you guys there? think net died
20:50:13 <jmadero> LOL
20:50:15 <jmadero> NOOO
20:50:16 <jmadero> go to ask
20:50:24 <jmadero> just say "bug tracker is for bugs only, sorry"
20:50:26 <jmadero> hahaha
20:50:30 <jmadero> wife is here to go grab lucnh
20:50:33 <jmadero> I'll be back in half hour
20:50:42 <jmadero> take it easy both of you
20:50:57 <jorendc> jmadero: sure :)
20:50:59 <jorendc> jmadero: enjoy!
20:51:04 <jmadero> doei
20:51:05 <jmadero> !
20:51:06 <jorendc> jmadero: yes, I redirect him again to the ask :p
20:51:13 <jorendc> haha lol :D doei jmadero
20:51:44 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ^^ good luck with that one :d
20:52:13 * colonelqubit wakes up
20:52:20 <colonelqubit> what did you DO!?
20:52:22 <colonelqubit> :P
20:52:54 <jorendc> just an idiot I redirect to the ask site :')
20:53:13 <jorendc> he reported a bug as blocker to ask how to add a page number :')
20:53:14 <colonelqubit> oh, looks like a lost puppy
20:53:32 <colonelqubit> just send him on his way
20:53:37 <colonelqubit> mostly harmless :-)
20:53:43 <jorendc> I did :p
20:55:34 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Why will not print on 5.5 X 8.5 paper?
20:58:12 <jorendc> colonelqubit: lol he filed 2 bugs for that :o fdo#60727
20:58:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 60726) : page number not add me https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60727
20:58:16 <IZBot> LibreOffice-BASIC normal/medium RESOLVED INVALID page number https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60726
20:59:47 <colonelqubit> uggh
21:00:08 <colonelqubit> still, probably just trying to help
21:00:20 <colonelqubit> I see double-posts on the Ask site routinely
21:00:44 * colonelqubit thinks that might have something to do with the lag problems, though...
21:01:27 <jorendc> yes ... had the same issue a while ago
21:01:35 <colonelqubit> when I'm on IRC, it's like the whole world speeds up!
21:01:57 <jorendc> haha
21:02:09 <jorendc> agreed for FDO
21:25:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Which Microsoft Office document formats are considered 100% compatible with LibreOffice 4.0? || Is LibreOffice 4 available for Android? || SharePoint in Libreoffice 4
21:28:57 <jorendc> mmeeks: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11985/is-libreoffice-4-available-for-android/ ... are we able to 'spread' the android version of LibreOffice already (in this case for testing purpose)?
21:45:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60746] Development page is named "developers-2" instead of "developers" || [Bug 60747] UI: Customize Keyboard shortcut: Functions Edit Hyperlink and Insert Hyperlink switched
21:48:11 <jorendc> hi jmadero
21:48:16 <jorendc> had a nice lunch :)?
21:48:21 <jmadero> jorendc: perfect lunch
21:48:32 <jorendc> jmadero: glad to hear that :)!
21:48:35 <jmadero> don't get to eat with my wife much on weekdays
21:48:39 <jmadero> she has the day off
21:48:45 <jorendc> ooh nice
21:48:53 <jorendc> then you need to enjoy that for sure :)
21:51:41 <jmadero> trying to finish off this list of MAB :-D
21:57:47 <jorendc> jmadero: we need to pick a new hard hack; I forgot if we already did?
22:05:18 <jmadero> 11 left!
22:05:28 <jorendc> nice job jmadero!
22:05:44 <jorendc> I'm doing some things that I placed already a long time ago on my todo list :p
22:08:39 <jmadero> 10
22:11:56 <jmadero> jorendc: what graphics card do you use?
22:12:13 * jorendc scratches his head Nvidea geforce GTX550
22:12:22 <jmadero> if you get a minute for a quick check
22:12:26 <jmadero> fdo#60537
22:12:28 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium NEEDINFO VIEWING: Corrupt characters in LibreOffice 4 with Nouveau https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60537
22:12:33 <jmadero> we were pinged by Michael Stahl for it
22:12:59 <jorendc> yeah I saw that passing by ...
22:14:07 <colonelqubit> jorendc: fdo#60708
22:14:10 <IZBot> LibreOffice-WWW normal/medium NEW ASKLIBREOFFICE: Drop-down of possible duplicates obscures and displaces Question text area https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60708
22:14:20 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes?
22:14:26 <jorendc> jmadero: how to test that with that NIVEAU thing?
22:14:34 <colonelqubit> what's the link for? http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=1f08711bd154d0502e5653088dc87575d4c372a7
22:14:36 <IZBot> core - Replace usage of rtl/memory.h in PDF Import  with equivalent from string.h
22:14:50 <jorendc> s/niveau/nouveau
22:15:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: whoa :s!
22:15:36 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that's not intend to paste it there
22:15:39 <colonelqubit> lol
22:15:51 <colonelqubit> I figured as much...but wanted to check w/you :-)
22:16:01 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I hate the 'new feature' of firefox ... when you CLICK on the scroll wheel ... it pasted things :s
22:16:06 <jmadero> jorendc: nevermind, hopefully he'll do a bibisect
22:36:47 <jorendc> jmadero: phew ... -1 on my todo list :p
22:36:54 <jorendc> jmadero: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/2127/
22:39:08 <jmadero> jorendc: +1
22:39:16 <jmadero> on your "done list"
22:39:17 <jmadero> ;)
22:39:19 <jorendc> haha :')
22:39:32 <jorendc> I just was typing: what a +1 :o?!
22:39:34 <jorendc> ;-)
22:45:27 <jmadero> lol
22:45:35 <jmadero> down to 7 on MAB
22:45:37 <jmadero> the hardest 6
22:45:37 <jmadero> 7
22:45:38 <jmadero> lol
22:45:42 <jorendc> :o wow!
22:45:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60750] Allow font embedding || [Bug 60751] BASIC: Spell check not working. || [Bug 60752] BASIC 'Property Let' fails to execute || [Bug 60753] Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) with Spreadsheet does not work properly || [Bug 60754] Impress Remote UI is not localized in Turkish
22:49:43 <jorendc> jmadero: ^^ pff ... bug swamp
22:50:57 <jmadero> lol
22:51:26 <jmadero> just 6 left
22:51:31 <jmadero> so close, it'll be done by Thursday for sure
22:56:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Unable to open files from windows share || A calc sheet created before 3.6.5.2 only shows formulas instead of results after formula edit
22:56:36 <jmadero> 5 :-D
23:00:56 <jorendc> nice jmadero
23:06:54 <jorendc> jmadero: I think you're doing awesome work there :o
23:07:54 <jmadero> I'm just too stubborn to say "enough"
23:13:37 <jorendc> colonelqubit: just saw your email about the images on the website-list
23:13:40 <jorendc> what are those images for?
23:13:56 <jorendc> (didn't understand it that well during reading my emails)
23:16:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60755] Display formula in cell instead of value of result after editing formula, undedited cells not efected
23:26:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: A calc sheet created before 3.6.5.2 has had all relative cell references converted to absolute.
23:29:16 <jmadero> jorendc: note on bibisect says bibisect40 now contains EVERYTHING
23:29:20 <jmadero> so no need to use 3.5 or 3.6 bibisect
23:29:31 <jorendc> oh ok :) wasn't sure about that
23:29:35 <jorendc> thanks jmadero
23:29:54 <jmadero> it should have "last updated" on there also
23:29:57 <jmadero> instead of just commit range
23:30:52 <jorendc> there is a new bibisect40 package released?
23:31:06 <jmadero> no
23:31:12 <jmadero> but it says it includes all of 3.5 and 3.6
23:31:16 <jmadero> emailing Bjoern now to see if we can get an update
23:32:36 <jmadero> last commit is from 12/8
23:32:38 <jmadero> pretty long ago
23:32:50 <jmadero> can we see how many patches have been submitted between them?
23:32:55 <jmadero> like a date range
23:32:57 <jmadero> 12/9 - today
23:36:15 <jorendc> mmh ... I think we can't
23:36:28 <jorendc> (although it seems possible :p
23:36:45 <jmadero> it'd be nice to make a new bibisect every ~250 commits or so
23:36:53 <jmadero> maybe even every ~100
23:36:57 <jmadero> not sure how fast that is
23:37:24 <jorendc> jmadero: that bibisect repo is containing ranges of 32 if it's done as discussed :)
23:37:39 <jmadero> wow
23:37:41 <jorendc> jmadero: didn't I send you a mail about that?
23:37:45 <jmadero> probably;)
23:37:47 <jmadero> but the repo is broken
23:37:59 <jmadero> so until then someone needs to manually do it
23:41:17 <jorendc> true
23:43:40 <jmadero> you removed yourself from the impress bug?
23:43:58 <jorendc> which impress bug?
23:44:08 <jmadero> fdo#60379
23:44:10 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Android Impress Remote minor/high REOPENED Impress Remote: Options look disabled https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60379
23:44:55 <jorendc> jmadero: no I didn't
23:44:59 <jorendc> jmadero: but following https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=60379
23:45:10 <jorendc> jmadero: I'm removed because the component is changed...
23:45:27 <jmadero> oh
23:45:51 <jorendc> jmadero: that's done automaticaly by FDO (if you aren't aware of that, you don't know you actually reset the QA field and assigned field)
23:46:04 <jorendc> jmadero: thanks for mentioning
23:46:13 <jmadero> that's dumb
23:46:14 <jmadero> lol
23:46:22 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60756] A calc sheet created before 3.6.5.2 has had all relative cell references converted to absolute.
23:47:52 <jorendc> agreed :s
23:56:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 window shows up as 'LibreOffice XSLT Based Filters' || Pulling info from sharepoint || Impress, byte size of embedded images
00:24:31 <colonelqubit> jorendc:  images were of computers from companies that are friendly to Free/Open Source software like LibreOffice
00:24:54 <jorendc> oh nice :)
00:24:59 <colonelqubit> it seemed like a good opportunity for us to use their designs, seeing as how they sell computers with our software on 'em :-)
00:25:13 <jorendc> :D
00:25:40 <colonelqubit> Could be a good start to a larger friendship
00:26:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I prevent LibreOffice from offering fonts not on my system? || "Cannot save file, error in writing sub document content.xml" || Testing libre office 4: OS slow boot?
00:26:53 <jorendc> yeah, I see :)
00:28:35 * jorendc going to sleep. 1:15AM over here
00:28:39 <jorendc> good night colonelqubit
00:29:26 * jorendc is thinking about 'try to be an expert of the style code' :p (in a year or so
00:29:54 * jorendc going to dream a bit further in his bed :p
00:29:56 <jorendc> good night
00:56:30 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Cannot install 3.6 on XPpro || How can I prevent LibreOffice from opening on boot up?
01:17:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60757] PDF: PDF export of SVG images distorted
01:56:43 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 looks ugly in KD || how to seach for word "login" in documents
02:18:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60758] Page Numbering Dialog/Wizard
02:26:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 CMIS integration || LibreOffice 4.0 looks ugly in KDE
02:51:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60760] FILEOPEN loading 4.0.0.3 saved file with conditional formating can't be loaded in 3.6.5 (endless recovery)
02:56:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Abstract yellow template bug
03:23:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60761] conditional formatting criteria does not match || [Bug 60762] PRINTING: Images do not print or export to PDF
03:55:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60710] EDITING: Cannot save particular document containing comments
03:57:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Merge variable image into frame?
04:05:26 <jmadero> nurkstead: haven't seen you around, how's it going?
04:27:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Passive installation switch for disabling the java environment? (silent, unattended)
04:27:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60764] EDITING: Data sort dialog box is bigger
04:58:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Unable to make negative numbers in Calc display red
05:58:50 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Win8: LibreOffice 3.6 - Fatal Error
05:58:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60765] FORMATTING: currency format
07:01:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60766] BUGZILLA: Remove Android Impress Remote Versions
07:31:56 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60767] VIEWING:
08:32:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60768] Clicking references does not work + inconsistent GUI
09:03:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60769] FILEOPEN, FILESAVE, "Could not save document, error in writing sub document context.xml" then corrupt file. || [Bug 60770] [Italian language]: XML Import strings don't translate.
09:28:25 <mmeeks> /back
09:28:31 <mmeeks> ;-)
09:33:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60771] DOCX broken (reversed) change tracking (“fixed” by removing change tracking data from endnotes.xml) || [Bug 60773] [regression] FORMATTING: date format fields are not formatted automatically || [Bug 60774] Impress v4.0.0.3 loses some images from presentation made in v3.6.2.2
09:59:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Having some troubles for saving outline numbering
10:03:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60775] FORMATTING division of currency values is not a currency value || [Bug 60776] Inserting Sound Files as Slide Transition || [Bug 60777] FORMATTING sum of different currencies should not be one of these currencies
10:29:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I put a chart on a separate sheet in Calc?
10:34:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60752] Wrong result because 'Property Let' fails to execute || [Bug 60778] EDITING (some?) changes of currency format should trigger a recompute/reformat/... || [Bug 60779] SLIDESHOW: multiline paragraphs are not animated correctly || [Bug 60780] FILESAVE: Allow export of other document formats
10:59:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: german version of AskLibO || How to add another editable text field to a master slide in Impress?
11:04:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60771] DOCX broken (reversed) change tracking (with a tool to restore the original change tracking of the main text) || [Bug 60781] : Enhancement request: Add to a profil in AskLibreOffice a list with questions which commented or answered by a registered person || [Bug 60782] Fails with Error 1723
11:30:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: last return after table cannot be deleted
12:00:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to add extra editable text areas to Master Slide
12:07:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60784] double short key
12:30:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How I can delete empty line after table in Writer? || How to change the default line and fill colors in draw ?
12:37:44 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60780] 'Save a Copy' command || [Bug 60785] RTL UI: Undo/Redo buttons point to the wrong direction
13:08:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60786] EDITING: CRASH after Edit Textbox after Undo || [Bug 60787] EDITING: CRASH When insert master page from Task Pane after Undo
13:30:35 <IZBot> News from asklibo: 'mkdir' Error While Installing LibreOffice 'Desktop-Integration'
13:38:50 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60788] Wrong label in dialog (SPANISH) "Opciones de seguridad y alerta"
14:00:41 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Export data from c++ to calc || Bullet points alphabetical order LibreOffice
14:10:07 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60789] docx document content not shown, several pages missing || [Bug 60790] UI: "Select All" shortcut into font field is not effient || [Bug 60793] Application hangs for up to 10 min after loading first document || [Bug 60791] Impress remote: fix elapsed time tracking
14:28:50 <pje335_NL> Good afternoon
14:29:29 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL :)
14:30:31 <pje335_NL> jorendc: you all test with an alpha version?
14:30:49 <IZBot> News from asklibo: mail merge "single print jobs" vanished
14:30:56 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you mean the 4.1.0.0 master version?
14:31:00 <pje335_NL> yes
14:31:00 <jorendc> pje335_NL: no, not always
14:31:09 <jorendc> pje335_NL: but in some cases yes
14:31:19 <pje335_NL> whats the difrent ?
14:31:23 <jorendc> pje335_NL: I know some things are worked on/had many changes between 4.0 and 4.1
14:31:46 <pje335_NL> oke
14:31:54 <jorendc> pje335_NL: and if a bug is reported against that, I can verify or this is indeed still present (=valid bug) or is fixed ...
14:32:18 <pje335_NL> ok
14:32:22 <jorendc> if it's fixed, we can say: it'll be fixed in the next release of 4.0.1 (because at the moment, most fixes are backported from 4.1 to 4.0.1
14:32:28 <jorendc> :)
14:33:34 <pje335_NL> i was figering out what master was and how to work with it but i only got some code
14:33:49 <jorendc> pje335_NL: you can download it here http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
14:33:54 <jorendc> or you can build it for your own
14:34:16 <jorendc> I know how to build using Linux
14:34:23 <jorendc> but I don't know how to build in Widnows
14:34:31 <pje335_NL> ok
14:34:50 <jorendc> pje335_NL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIqOOajdYQ
14:34:51 <IZBot> YouTube - LibreOffice Build Demo (tty recording for apt/deb based systems) by: clophYT - 05:26
14:35:46 <pje335_NL> for windows there is a msi file
14:41:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60794] Editing a presentation with images is totally unworkable || [Bug 60795] After creating a chart in calc, I can not select the chart and edit
15:12:14 <jmadero> mmeeks: thought you'd be interested in this one fdo#60710, I was able to reproduce once but I can't a second time if you'd like to give it a try -- seems like a blocker :-/
15:12:17 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Cannot save particular document containing comments https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
15:13:44 <jmadero> morning all
15:14:45 <pje335_NL> morning
15:16:02 <jorendc> jmadero: joooeeel :)
15:16:08 <jorendc> morning morning morning
15:16:16 * jorendc drinks to much coffee ...
15:16:42 <jmadero> lol
15:16:57 <jmadero> I found out yesterday I got into my #2 school :-D
15:17:06 <jorendc> wow!
15:17:10 <jorendc> congratz jmadero !
15:17:19 <jmadero> thanks :)
15:17:34 <jorendc> jmadero: any possibility you still are 'in running' for #1?
15:18:06 <jmadero> yeah
15:18:17 <jmadero> I might turn down both though for my #3 ;)
15:18:20 <jmadero> but it was good to get in
15:18:35 <jorendc> nice :)
15:18:36 <jmadero> my #3 gave me almost a full scholarship so....that might be the factor that decides
15:18:48 <jorendc> good; keep me posted
15:19:05 <jorendc> I'm happy for you :D
15:19:09 <jorendc> you deserve that
15:19:10 <jmadero> thanks, I was excited
15:19:23 <jmadero> am excited*
15:21:40 <jmadero> that bug that i pinged Michael about is quite bad
15:21:43 <jmadero> if we can consistently reproduce
15:22:46 <jorendc> which one?
15:24:32 <jmadero> fdo#60710
15:24:34 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Cannot save particular document containing comments https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
15:28:07 <jmadero> I'll be back when I get to work
15:30:56 <jorendc> jmadero: sure
15:30:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can the Title Page be configured so as not to insert a blank page?
15:42:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60798] FORMATTING: Conditional Formatting icon set provides false result
16:04:13 <bgranados> Hi!
16:09:09 <jorendc> hi bgranados
16:09:28 <jorendc> how are you
16:09:34 <bgranados> Fine, thanks!
16:11:19 <bgranados> I have a question, again, about prioritizing bugs... suppose I have something that isn't broken core functionality/crash, but it's something that many users would expect to have.  The bug could be an easy fix.
16:11:59 <bgranados> So... prevents high quality work, but I think a lot of users may be affected.  Medium, Critical... Medium, Normal?
16:12:02 <jorendc> bgranados: what bugnumber?
16:12:27 <bgranados> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60468
16:12:30 <IZBot> bug 60468: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet critical/medium UNCONFIRMED FILEOPEN: CSV cannot handle field using embedded tab and line breaks altogether
16:14:52 <jorendc> mmh, that's an advanced one
16:15:31 <jorendc> bgranados: linux only?
16:16:09 <bgranados> actually, I don't know. I have the ability to check on Windows. Should I go ahead and do that?
16:16:34 <jorendc> bgranados: I'm using Mac OSX right now, so I think I can try to reproduce
16:16:43 <jorendc> but I'm not that familiar with csv etc
16:16:46 <jorendc> :p so let me try
16:17:10 <bgranados> Thank you!  I wasn't too much either.  Thank goodness for bug submitter interaction.
16:17:53 <bgranados> Actually, pretty much the only thing I've ever used is Writer, so most time is spent trying to figure out what the user is talking about in the first place. :)
16:19:24 <jorendc> haha :p bgranados you're not alone
16:22:56 <jmadero> bgranados: maybe you can become our QA writer expert ;) that will keep you busy enough
16:23:57 <bgranados> but don't most people use Writer?  I don't want to hog all the easy bugs.
16:24:22 <jorendc> bgranados: I think I now see the point of the reporter
16:24:29 <jorendc> but I'm not that familiar with the delimeters etc
16:25:08 <bgranados> I'm not sure what RFC 4180 is exactly, but the document appears to be a standard for csv files.
16:25:08 <jorendc> so I think the right thing to do is mark it as 'normal high' or otherwise 'major low' or something
16:25:19 <bgranados> Okay, I'm thinking Normal High
16:25:25 <bgranados> Thank you so much!
16:28:05 <jorendc> bgranados: no thank you :)
16:28:44 <jorendc> bgranados: we have to few users/devs as you in our QA team
16:28:47 <jorendc> :)
16:29:03 <jorendc> so as jmadero already said ^^ :)
16:37:16 <jmadero> bgranados: trust me, you won't be hogging anything, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&component=Writer&list_id=231507&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
16:37:36 <bgranados> lol.
16:37:52 <jmadero> all writer bugs
16:37:54 <jmadero> over 1/3rd of total unconfirmed
16:38:12 <jmadero> I bet 50% of the bugs are "easy to triage", we'd look real good if we got the count down by 50%
16:38:25 <jmadero> brb
16:38:44 <bgranados> okay, what about a situation where a user reopens a bug, and it is still not confirmed?  Should I just wait to see if someone else can confirm?
16:39:20 <bgranados> 2 people have not been able to confirm this one: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60659
16:39:23 <IZBot> bug 60659: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FILESAVE: can't save odt file with links on images
16:40:28 <jorendc> bgranados: you can leave it as unconfirmed; or try to exclude it's a OS-only problem, or something related to an extension/user profile
16:40:57 <bgranados> alright.
16:43:12 <jorendc> mmh, there is something quite weard going on
16:43:19 <jorendc> (with irc ^^)
16:43:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60800] PRESENTING slides, but custom animations (effects) are erratic.
16:45:32 <jorendc> jmadero: IRC is doing weird things...
16:46:15 <jmadero> isn't it always?
16:46:27 <jmadero> another new user in the chat?
16:46:31 <jmadero> MZ_per_X: how's it going?
16:46:34 <jorendc> agreed :p
16:46:56 <jorendc> hi MZ_per_X ; looks like you are also in the dev-channel :)?
16:47:28 <jmadero> soon our chat will rival dev chat ;)
16:47:36 <jorendc> hehe
16:47:43 * jorendc would love that
16:48:48 <bgranados> @jmadero do you mean in chat content, or number of people?
16:49:06 <jorendc> jmadero: bgranados ... 1489 bugs found .... (all unconfirmed) ... let's get that bug list down right now :-)
16:49:13 * jorendc would like to make a game of it
16:49:18 <jorendc> (game/contest)
16:49:23 <jorendc> (without loosing the quality)
16:50:41 <bgranados> have fun with that.
16:51:00 <jorendc> bgranados: :p
16:51:06 <jmadero> haha I'm working on 3.5 first ;)
16:51:08 <jmadero> these last 6 are a pain in the ass
16:51:19 <jorendc> jmadero: yes ... i gave up on one of them
16:51:34 <jmadero> if my wife has dance on Sunday I'm going to try to get 50 done
16:51:41 <jmadero> just blast music and sit there
16:51:47 <jorendc> hehe
16:51:53 * jorendc will join :)
16:51:59 <jmadero> lol
16:52:40 <jmadero> CRAP
16:52:42 <jmadero> CRAP CRAP CRAP
16:52:44 <jmadero> found a big bug
16:52:48 <jmadero> do me a favor someone
16:52:49 <jorendc> what?
16:52:51 <jmadero> see if you can print to file
16:52:55 <jmadero> mine crashes every time
16:52:56 <jmadero> CRAP
16:53:01 <jorendc> jmadero: bug number?
16:53:05 <jmadero> none
16:53:08 <MZ_per_X> jmadero, jorendc: hi! yes, I watch both channels from time to time...  just interested in LO prospering and growing. :)
16:53:09 <jmadero> I just found it when testing another bug
16:53:22 <jorendc> MZ_per_X: welcome :D!
16:53:24 <jmadero> MZ_per_X: well welcome! feel free to join in our mess of FDO triaging
16:53:33 <jorendc> mess -> mass :D
16:53:37 <jorendc> ;-)
16:53:50 <jorendc> okay, agreed ... mess is also applicable
16:54:20 <jorendc> jmadero: what steps ...?
16:54:26 <jmadero> open calc
16:54:28 <jmadero> go to print
16:54:34 <MZ_per_X> jmadero: mess is a thing of the past, right? ;) QA is leaving its infancy.
16:54:53 <jmadero> options, print to file
16:54:56 <jmadero> click print to file on bottom
16:54:59 <jmadero> = CRASH
16:55:14 <jmadero> MZ_per_X: once we're consistently getting bug count to decline I'd say it's no mes
16:55:14 <jmadero> s
16:55:20 <jmadero> right now it's just stable
16:55:22 <jmadero> ~1500 bugs
16:55:34 <jmadero> we've stopped the bleeding
16:56:36 <jorendc> jmadero: ... sorry, using mac OSX I can't see any 'print to file' over here ...
16:56:53 <jmadero> interesting
16:57:00 <jmadero> on 3.6 either?
16:57:15 <jmadero> any Linux users around?
16:57:23 * jorendc will start Linux Mint
16:57:30 <jmadero> jorendc: thanks :-D
16:57:32 <bgranados> hang on, I can test
16:57:37 <jmadero> this would be a real big issue
16:57:52 <jmadero> thanks bgranados
16:58:06 <jmadero> bgranados: what are you running, master or 4.0.0.3 release?
16:58:21 <jorendc> MZ_per_X: interrested to help us with that :)?
16:58:23 <bgranados> ummm... let me check
16:58:32 <MZ_per_X> jmadero: good to hear. sorry, I can't help out at the moment. busy in another project.
16:58:46 <jorendc> MZ_per_X: oh ok, no problem
16:58:48 <jmadero> MZ_per_X: understood
16:59:02 <jorendc> MZ_per_X: if you have some spare time and still interested, always welcome :)
17:00:03 * jmadero feels like I beg everyone to help ;)
17:00:29 <bgranados> 4.0.0.3
17:00:42 <jmadero> okay, well if it works for you we'll need someone on master also
17:00:44 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^
17:01:32 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce on Linux Mint 4.0.0.3
17:01:37 <jorendc> now trying with master
17:01:56 <bgranados> I can't reproduce either, but I don't have master.
17:02:16 * jorendc trying on Mac OSX as well
17:02:16 <jmadero> bgranados: any interest in building master ;)?
17:02:34 <bgranados> sure. how?
17:02:40 <jorendc> jmadero: I can confirm a crash using latest master!
17:02:46 <jmadero> ah crap!
17:02:50 <jmadero> reporting now
17:02:51 <bgranados> whoops.
17:02:54 <jorendc> btw, you need to 'check' the option first
17:03:01 <jmadero> oh yeah forgot to say that ;)
17:03:02 <jmadero> hahaha
17:03:04 <jorendc> loool
17:03:12 <pje335_NL> i am back in the game :)
17:03:45 <jmadero> so it won't be in current bibisect
17:03:47 <jmadero> we need that updated
17:04:06 <jmadero> searching for dupes
17:04:11 <jorendc> jmadero: can't reproduce crash using mac osx LOdev: Time: 2013-02-11_15:14:26
17:04:19 <jorendc> i'm now downloading the most recent
17:04:45 <MZ_per_X> jorendc: thanks. I think I'll like this QA work, it has something of detective / mystery to it. ;)  when I find time, I'm in... bye for now.
17:05:13 <jorendc> jmadero: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::DeploymentException'
17:05:24 <jmadero> blocker or critical
17:05:24 <jmadero> hm
17:05:25 <jorendc> sure MZ_per_X
17:05:35 <jorendc> MZ_per_X: bye
17:05:49 <jorendc> jmadero: critical high I suppose ...
17:06:00 <jmadero> highest as it's a regression
17:06:07 <jorendc> agreed
17:06:07 <jmadero> it'll get attention fast
17:08:16 <jmadero> jorendc: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60804
17:08:18 <IZBot> bug 60804: LibreOffice-Libreoffice critical/highest UNCONFIRMED Print to File leads to Crash
17:08:20 <jmadero> can you confirm and leave a comment
17:08:42 <jmadero> moggi: any idea who I might ping about this critical bug ^^
17:10:24 <jmadero> Guest10102: welcome
17:10:40 <pje335_NL> thats me on my windows :)
17:10:45 <jmadero> hhah
17:10:45 <jmadero> oh
17:10:48 <jmadero> welcome!
17:10:48 <jmadero> ahha
17:11:39 <jorendc> haha :)
17:12:20 <jorendc> jmadero: maybe related to the dialog conversion?
17:12:32 <jorendc> jmadero: you tryied to bibisect it already?
17:12:43 <moggi> jmadero: no idea, just returned home and I'm still working through mails from the last 5 days
17:12:55 <jmadero> ah, sorry to interrupt
17:13:02 <jorendc> ooh :) welcome home moggi
17:13:07 <jmadero> moggi: vacation?
17:14:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60804] Print to File leads to Crash || [Bug 60803] PRINTING: some 0,05pt borders shown in pale grey instead of solid black || [Bug 60805] VIEWING: Particular border style and width invisible for zoom 100%
17:18:30 <moggi> jmadero: something like that
17:18:57 <jmadero> well, welcome back, I'll leave you in peace to catch up
17:21:19 <jmadero> jorendc: sorry to bug you again but since I can't test this on master and don't have release
17:21:23 <jmadero> you mind quickly checking another one
17:21:59 <jmadero> fdo#40788, download the word document, print to file, see if it's a 1 page pdf or a 3 page pdf
17:22:01 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/medium NEW FORMATTING - Calc ignores manual breaks when "fit to number of pages" is chosen https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40788
17:22:10 <jorendc> sure jmadero don't mind :)
17:22:57 <jorendc> jmadero: which attachment :p?
17:23:06 <jmadero> the only word one
17:23:08 <jorendc> refurbished?
17:23:09 <jorendc> ok
17:23:19 <jmadero> " Refurbished version: A table of three courses, participants, and dates. Should be printed on three pages to give a participation list for the three courses. "
17:23:19 <jorendc> oh yeah :p others are pdf :')
17:23:21 <jmadero> stupid long name
17:24:58 <jorendc> jmadero: 1 page
17:25:03 <jmadero> thanks
17:25:23 <jorendc> :) you're welcome
17:25:32 <jorendc> jmadero: Version 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: cbc722733bb272b0f26efec09b478bed9a3cdb9)
17:25:38 <jorendc> (Linux Mint 14 x64)
17:25:45 <jorendc> pje335_eating: enjoy your diner
17:25:52 <pje335_eating> thank you
17:27:52 <jorendc> bgranados: fdo#60659 <- :)
17:27:54 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED FIXED FILESAVE: can't save odt file with links on images https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60659
17:31:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: In Base - text field is displayed as number
17:38:47 <jmadero> so there a competition going on?
17:38:51 <jmadero> game?
17:39:08 <jorendc> no, because nobody responded I'm studying now :(
17:39:14 <jmadero> lol
17:39:15 * jorendc sigh
17:39:30 <jmadero> I was ready for a 4 way race to 5 triaged bugs
17:39:43 <jmadero> maybe 5
17:39:43 <jorendc> lol :)
17:39:45 <jmadero> with colonelqubit
17:39:47 <jmadero> :)
17:39:56 <colonelqubit> hmm?
17:40:17 <jmadero> once pje335_eating gets back, game to see who can triage 5 bugs fastest ;)
17:40:21 <colonelqubit> lol
17:40:27 <jmadero> with the 5 of us we'll get -25 bugs in probably 15 minutes or less
17:40:37 * jorendc going to eat first
17:40:46 * colonelqubit has a bunch on his plate
17:40:53 <colonelqubit> so I might have to be a spectator
17:40:53 <jmadero> lol
17:41:09 <jorendc_food> :p
17:41:16 <colonelqubit> getting images for the front page
17:41:30 <jmadero> what front page?
17:41:41 <colonelqubit> have about 10 q's I need to get back to for the Ask site
17:41:51 <colonelqubit> the *front* page...as in, libreoffice.org :-)
17:41:54 <jmadero> colonelqubit: you should do some recruiting on user list
17:42:10 <jmadero> does Tom help with Ask site?
17:42:30 <colonelqubit> pics of monitors from zareason and system67
17:42:37 <colonelqubit> make that: system76
17:42:42 <colonelqubit> Tom?
17:43:17 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/users/?search=&t=user&query=tom
17:43:23 <jmadero> yeah he's really active in user list
17:43:50 * colonelqubit is on probably ever list *but* the user list
17:43:53 <colonelqubit> every
17:44:21 <colonelqubit> Maybe I'll try to recruit from there
17:44:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60755] Display formula in cell instead of value of result after editing formula, undedited cells not affected || [Bug 60807] FILEOPEN: LibreOffice calc can't read file exported by Xero
17:44:57 <colonelqubit> I'm kept busy enough trying to clean-out the old questions, etc..
17:46:37 <jmadero> yeah, I had some success, I'm going to go to user list again at some point
17:46:42 <jmadero> there are two people in particular
17:46:46 <jmadero> Tom and web something or other
17:46:47 <jmadero> very active
17:52:07 <jmadero> I just sent Tom and someone else a direct email to help out with QA
18:01:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do I stop Impress from changing the format of my slides every time I close the program?
18:08:30 <floeff> +++ SERVICE NOTICE +++ gerrit reboot in 6 minutes, as previously announced. Outage of about 5 minutes planned.
18:12:48 <jmadero> anyone running Windows?
18:13:53 <jorendc_food> pje335 was
18:14:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60808] Installation Failing with System Restore Disabled - Error 2755. 110.
18:20:31 <floeff> +++ SERVICE NOTICE +++ gerrit rebooted successfully, all services back to normal
18:20:49 <jorendc> floeff: thank for that clear and good communication!
18:20:52 <jorendc> thanks*
18:21:02 <floeff> jorendc: thanks ;) you are welcome
18:21:33 <jmadero> someone running Windows?
18:22:38 <bgranados> yes
18:23:47 <jorendc> jmadero: ^
18:23:58 <jmadero> bgranados: can you test this one out when you get a minute
18:24:01 <jmadero> fdo#60649
18:24:03 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Writer crash when trying to insert 'indexes and tables' https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60649
18:25:03 <bgranados> I will. One moment
18:25:35 <jmadero> thank you
18:31:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to convert documents to PDF on OSX
18:32:46 <jorendc> hehe, that's one for me :D ^
18:33:02 <bgranados> okay, checking on Windows will take a few, because I don't have 4.0. but it's easy to update.
18:38:35 <jmadero> thanks :-D
18:38:41 <jmadero> lol
18:38:44 <jmadero> jorendc: ^^
18:39:09 <jorendc> :p .. it's more complicate then just 'convert' it
18:39:20 <jorendc> he would like to 'batch convert using terminal in mac osx'
18:39:23 <jorendc> never did before :p
18:39:29 <jorendc> but I would like to learn that xD
18:40:11 <bgranados> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60649
18:40:13 <IZBot> bug 60649: LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Writer crash when trying to insert 'indexes and tables'
18:40:24 <bgranados> I had no problem with this on Windows 8
18:41:43 <jmadero> close as WFM please
18:41:53 <jmadero> request that they reopen it if it's still an issue with stable release
18:42:05 <jmadero> another one to test :) if you have a few
18:42:15 <jmadero> fdo#60805
18:42:17 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED VIEWING: Particular border style and width invisible for zoom 100% https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60805
18:45:23 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60805] VIEWING: Particular border style and width invisible for zoom 100% + Scale 100% || [Bug 60811] : Libreoffice crashes
19:00:32 <colonelqubit> jmadero, jorendc: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/12016/how-can-i-prevent-libreoffice-from-offering-fonts/
19:01:11 <jorendc> colonelqubit: moment, I'm answering another question right now
19:01:17 <bgranados> jmadero: I will test it. I'm in the process of a job search well, so it's like running my own office with phone calls.
19:01:38 <colonelqubit> If he's updated his font cache and LO is the only program still seeing the fonts, I'm going to give you the bug. If it's LO + GEdit, then Trisquel gets it :-)
19:01:43 <jmadero> bgranados:  :) good luck with job search
19:02:03 <jmadero> colonelqubit: agreed, I would want to know if he/she updated font cache
19:02:15 <jmadero> no other programs...
19:02:16 <jmadero> interesting
19:02:30 <jmadero> let me do a quick test
19:02:39 <colonelqubit> sure.
19:02:51 <colonelqubit> brb
19:05:22 <colonelqubit> This is why I try to lurk on all the mailing lists...
19:05:29 <jmadero> colonelqubit: cannot reproduce
19:05:33 <colonelqubit> hmm
19:05:37 <jmadero> intsalled a new font, worked fine
19:05:41 <jmadero> deleted from /usr/share/fonts
19:05:47 <jmadero> updated cache, no longer in LibO
19:05:50 <colonelqubit> hmm
19:06:20 <jmadero> user should check /usr/share/fonts
19:06:21 <colonelqubit> (copying from IRC to mention to him)
19:06:26 <jmadero> to ensure that the fonts are no longer there
19:06:31 <jmadero> and then do fc-cache
19:06:33 <jmadero> with root permissions
19:06:51 <colonelqubit> jmadero: what OS, LO version?
19:07:01 * colonelqubit laughs that he's asking *jmadero* for this information...
19:07:13 <jmadero> Version 4.1.0.0.alpha0+ (Build ID: 871712ad62bb01359c29713a148a5673e26df1a, Bodhi Linux
19:07:20 <jmadero> which is built on Ubuntu 12.04
19:07:33 <colonelqubit> k
19:07:45 <jmadero> let me see if I don't flush the cache
19:09:37 <jmadero> interesting, even if I don't flush it out still works
19:09:40 <jmadero> hm
19:09:48 <jmadero> my guess is something with those fonts is still lingering
19:09:52 <colonelqubit> indeed
19:09:54 <jmadero> or they never really killed soffice.bin
19:10:06 <colonelqubit> I could ask him to reboot...
19:10:08 <colonelqubit> that usually kills it
19:10:12 <jmadero> yeah that would do it
19:10:37 <jmadero> and sudo find / -name FONTNAME.ttf
19:11:02 <jmadero> if they are running Debian based of course
19:11:04 <jmadero> or Ubuntu
19:11:07 <jmadero> otherwise su -
19:11:13 <jmadero> then find / -name FONTNAME.ttf
19:13:47 <colonelqubit> yeah, he's using trisquel, which is another ubuntu-derivative
19:14:33 <jmadero> interesting
19:14:35 <jmadero> never heard of it
19:15:22 <jmadero> ah, not my taste from the screenshots ;)
19:15:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60812] SLIDESHOW: Putting more than one movie on one slide destroys formating
19:21:52 <colonelqubit> jmadero: some chatter on doc list re: bugs on OSX
19:21:56 <colonelqubit> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-0-Enjoying-it-tt4036440.html
19:22:08 <colonelqubit> see emails from Robertson and Thurgood
19:23:29 <colonelqubit> you can see my reply to Robertson. Thurgood didn't post any bug #s -- should I ask him to take a look at MAB for OSX or file bugs?
19:31:29 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how to add a 'country flag' on ask?
19:34:26 <jmadero> colonelqubit: reading now
19:35:06 <jmadero> ...
19:35:14 <jmadero> (pissed off a bit)
19:35:24 <jmadero> I wonder if said user(s) have donated a penny
19:35:35 <jmadero> we do have official devs now that you can pay to implement things
19:35:45 <jmadero> and getting angry that devs don't use OSX is absurd
19:35:52 <jmadero> there are probably 100 reasons why that's the case
19:37:35 <jmadero> colonelqubit: he can look at the meta bug for OSX but most of those are enhancement requests
19:37:35 <jmadero> and are VERY unlikely to be implemented
19:37:38 <jmadero> (IMHO)
19:37:42 <jmadero> without someone financing the changes
19:46:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60813] At certain zoom-levels, cell contents in chart are not updated when typing || [Bug 60814] Colors of shapes change after copy+paste from one drawing to another
19:52:29 <jorendc> lol jmadero; I'm running a valgrind now to log a crash
19:52:42 <jorendc> jmadero: following the guide "be patient ... 80x is a lot slower ... reproduce the problem."
19:52:45 <jorendc> :')
20:00:01 <jmadero> lol
20:20:01 <moggi> jmadero: jorendc still trying to get a backtrace for the crash when printing?
20:20:16 <jorendc> moggi: still on my todo list
20:20:20 <jorendc> moggi: I'll do it in a minute
20:20:40 <moggi> ok, I'll take the bug
20:24:40 <jmadero> jorendc: what crash
20:24:54 <jmadero> print to file?
20:24:56 <jorendc> jmadero: crash you reported 'print to file'
20:25:01 <jorendc> i'm doing a backtrace now
20:25:02 <jmadero> yeah, nice :)
20:25:04 <jorendc> (or try to :p)
20:25:11 <jmadero> lol so slow
20:25:13 <jmadero> I've only done a couple
20:25:48 <jmadero> jorendc: using gdb? or valgrind?
20:25:49 <moggi> jorendc: no need to, I know what is going wrong
20:25:49 <jorendc> na :p is not that slow compared to valgrind
20:25:58 <jmadero> ah, yeah gdb is slow but not tediously so
20:26:00 <jorendc> oh ok :p
20:26:02 <moggi> jorendc: and don't use valgrind
20:26:15 <jorendc> no, not on this bug moggi :p
20:26:16 <moggi> jorendc: for a crash you should use gdb
20:26:23 <jorendc> I used it for another bug
20:27:41 <jmadero> doing it also just because I haven't in awhile
20:27:41 <jmadero> nice to remember how
20:29:27 <jmadero> moggi: does this help http://pastebin.com/BBszdQWp
20:29:33 <jmadero> last like 100 lines before crash
20:30:55 <moggi> jmadero: I know what is going wrong but sberg has to fix it tomorrow
20:31:11 <jmadero> do you need us to do anything else?
20:31:38 <moggi> no
20:31:56 <jmadero> ...just curious, does that pastebin actually help? can you gleen info from it?
20:31:59 <colonelqubit> jmaero: you mention paid devs, but do we have a page on that? We need to be careful that we don't suggest that as the first answer to a user, but if someone says "I really want this feature; who can I pay to implement it?", we should have a page to send them...
20:32:06 <jorendc> jmadero: you know what the whiteboard status is for a backtrace?
20:32:08 <colonelqubit> jmadero ^^
20:32:27 <colonelqubit> jorendc: What kind of "country" flag?
20:32:30 <jmadero> uh, I'll ask tomorrow if we want to do that
20:32:35 <jmadero> during our call
20:33:20 <colonelqubit> jmadero: okay, thanks. That's a *really* common question. I believe mmeeks asked people to take that off the -dev list
20:33:45 <colonelqubit> but didn't get a good answer as to where that discussion could/should go
20:34:02 <jmadero> I know that at least for one bug, someone used some site to raise money
20:34:07 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I found it.. somewhere deep in the caves of my profile settings ;-)
20:34:13 <jmadero> and then said in their bug "$X will go to who fixes the problem"
20:34:23 <colonelqubit> jorendc: I tag questions *asked* in a language using the 'q-in-XXX' tag. Like 'q-in-portuguese'
20:34:24 <jorendc> jmadero: I know which site :p a moment
20:34:43 <colonelqubit> questions about a language, I just use the language name
20:34:48 <jorendc> jmadero: http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
20:34:57 <jmadero> that's the one
20:35:11 * colonelqubit spins off on the web
20:35:26 <jorendc> colonelqubit: no I mean the country flag next to your user name when you post something :p
20:35:32 <colonelqubit> ahh, okay :-)
20:35:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: you have (obvious) an USA-flag :)
20:35:45 <jorendc> I'm having a Belgian now :p
20:36:01 <colonelqubit> yeah, but when I'm out of country I usually stick with a canadian one...
20:36:19 * colonelqubit is close enough to the border :-)
20:36:22 <jorendc> lol ->  200� for a new UI http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/175/new-libreoffice-ui
20:36:32 <jmadero> I wonder how we go about contacting certified developers, I can't find details about that
20:36:32 <jmadero> I found a list
20:36:38 <jmadero> but emailing them directly seems....wrong
20:36:43 * colonelqubit agrees
20:36:51 <colonelqubit> welll
20:36:57 <colonelqubit> what does 'certified developer' mean?
20:37:08 <jmadero> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/
20:38:41 <moggi> jmadero: I checked with my localc build which allowed me to find the root problem of the crash
20:38:57 <jmadero> ah, so the backtrace didn't help
20:39:04 <jmadero> because from what I see....it's just garbled
20:39:41 <jmadero> crap, work meeting
20:39:43 <jmadero> I'll be back
20:40:03 <jmadero> if anyone leaves, take it easy
20:40:04 * jmadero attending work meeting
20:46:12 <mmeeks> BTW: excellent work with the 3.5 -> 3.6 bug migration - thanks so much for that ! :-)
20:46:15 <mmeeks> depressing work too ...
20:46:39 <jorendc> mmeeks: jmadero did most of the work :-)
20:46:46 <jorendc> mmeeks: I think you need to special thank him :)
20:46:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60815] Absturz von LibreOffice beim Bearbeiten einer Tabelle - EDITING || [Bug 60750] Allow user interface for font embedding
20:46:55 * mmeeks writes a personal mail then - was trying to catch him but he keeps disappearing as I show up here ;-)
20:47:11 <jorendc> hehe, maybe he's just scared mmeeks
20:47:15 <mmeeks> heh
21:14:22 * jorendc got to go
21:14:24 <jorendc> bye
21:14:26 * jorendc waves
21:18:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60816] No text on splash screen in Linux
21:48:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60819] FILESAVE: LO freeze when saving files
21:54:50 * colonelqubit sighs
22:00:51 <jmadero> 3.5 MAB bug tracker officially....CLOSED
23:32:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Macros and deleting || Calibri font not rendering correctly
01:03:16 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Where can I find the Presenter Console in Libre Office 4 ?
01:25:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60822] Enhancement request: Enable choice of location of a chart in Calc
06:07:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60781] ASKLIBREOFFICE: Add a list to a profile with questions which commented or answered by a registered person
06:34:32 <IZBot> News from asklibo: persona offline
06:38:40 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60824] Thesaurus won't work with any correct versions of English.
07:34:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to connect to alfresco share from libreoffice 4.0
07:40:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60822] Enable choice of location (Sheet, Cell) where new Chart should appear || [Bug 60825] Spurious values in Draw bitmap export dialog fields after export resolution change
08:11:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60826] tri par colonne
08:34:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Automation LibreOffice Calc 4.0 Examples for VB.NET
09:41:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60828] FORMATTING: Conditional formatting copied unwillingly || [Bug 60829] FILEOPEN: MS word docx cross reference for Image number in caption corrupted
10:05:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Sort is greyed out for this spreadsheet
11:43:43 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60833] EDITING: Adding to dictionaery does not work
12:05:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Unable to set template in Calc 4
12:13:51 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60834] EDITING: Find and Replace dialog box fields are inconsistent about selection on click || [Bug 60835] External links saved in xls format || [Bug 60837] FORMATTING: Conditional formatting not allowed for unprotected cells in protected sheets
12:44:10 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60838] EDITING: libreoffice goes to 100% becomes unusable
13:14:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60840] VIEWING: vertical scroll error
13:45:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60841] : BSOD during installation
14:15:15 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60842] FILEOPEN table embedded in ODT: : string-value attribute ignored
14:36:15 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Indonesian Spell Check OXT not working in LO 4.0. Was there a change in OXT specs?
15:16:29 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60843] LO is using weird program icons || [Bug 60844] : Regression:Template Manager in 4.0 is slow and does not remember last open folder || [Bug 60845] changed directory structure in LO 4 blocks Bibus reference manager
15:26:33 <bgranados> Hi!
15:47:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60846] Size is incorrect with PNG interlaced image
16:06:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: [solved] Unable to set template in Calc 4
16:17:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60846] Size is incorrect with PNG saved this Photoshop v13.0
16:19:29 <jmadero> colonelqubit: so we talked a bit about ask
16:20:18 <colonelqubit> sure
16:20:20 <jmadero> we're going to add certified developers w/ rates to the tdf website, also, if someone is really ademant and willing to pay they can check out http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=&project_id=149&project_name=LibreOffice
16:20:42 <colonelqubit> sounds good
16:21:19 <colonelqubit> so in general, if someone asks for paid support, send them to the developers-with-rates page?
16:21:41 <colonelqubit> then to freedomsponsors?
16:21:51 <jmadero> hm, depends on how big of an issue, those developers may charge a bit (no clue how much but let's say even $20/hr, 5 hours worth of work would be $100
16:22:12 <jmadero> for now freedomsponsors, we'll have the page up soon, were trying to figure out how to handle it
16:22:21 <jmadero> certified developers are "meant for" companies really
16:22:34 <jmadero> but, maybe some will have "individual contracts welcome" or something like that
16:22:51 <jmadero> if you see a bug that looks like a lot of people are interested in, freedomsponsor is a good way to collectively give a few bucks each
16:22:57 <colonelqubit> certainly
16:22:57 <jmadero> (it's tricky...)
16:23:16 <colonelqubit> Right. Did you guys have any thoughts as to when one might broach the topic of paid support/development?
16:23:40 <colonelqubit> If a user says "Please do X, I'll pay you Y", then it seems okay to point them to a paid support page
16:23:46 <jmadero> yes definitely
16:23:51 <jmadero> we tend not to micro manage ;)
16:24:00 <colonelqubit> but if a user says "Please do X, I really really would like it"...
16:24:09 <jmadero> when you think a user is at that point, feel free to offer, but it needs to be said in  away that doesn't make it seem like "we won't fix this UNLESS you pay"
16:24:40 <colonelqubit> yep
16:25:34 <colonelqubit> that being said, I believe our influx of feature requests is larger than our number of dev hours to deal with them
16:26:39 <jmadero> probably > 100 x dev hours to deal with
16:26:40 <jmadero> lol
16:27:49 <jmadero> before I was really against pay for fixes
16:27:53 <jmadero> I've changed my stance completely
16:29:27 <colonelqubit> e.g. bug 50916 -- important enhancement for interoperability, but could take a bunch of time
16:29:51 <jmadero> yeah, definitely
16:29:56 <jmadero> fdo#50916
16:29:58 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet enhancement/high NEW Allow more than 1024 columns in calc https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50916
16:29:59 <colonelqubit> hmm.. bot doesn't pick up on that,
16:30:16 <jmadero> ^^
16:30:18 <jmadero> :)
16:30:36 <jmadero> that's a core change, there are a few of those that would be REALLY nice
16:30:45 <jmadero> >1024 columns probably should be using database ;)
16:30:58 <jmadero> but I think things like SUM(A:A)
16:31:39 <colonelqubit> jmadero: sure, but for simple constraints like that, we need to have interoperability with Excel
16:32:28 <colonelqubit> I'm okay with the interoperability being a message that pops up when you try to open the document in Calc that says "You're going to need to import this to Base, and here's how..."
16:32:37 <colonelqubit> (probably a wizard, actually)
16:32:58 <jmadero> does Excel allow > 1024 columnss?
16:33:08 <colonelqubit> but the point is that if we don't provide that compatibility, a number of people are going to see LO as being deficient
16:33:36 <jmadero> colonelqubit: I'll be back, need to get to work
16:33:39 <jmadero> already late :-/
16:33:44 <jmadero> 20-25 minutes
16:33:56 <colonelqubit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel
16:34:06 <colonelqubit> Version 12.0 can handle 1M (220 = 1048576) rows, and 16384 (214 as label 'XFD') columns
17:04:37 <jmadero> colonelqubit: sorry about running like that
17:04:45 <colonelqubit> no prob
17:04:54 <colonelqubit> re: excel
17:04:55 <jmadero> work sometimes gets in the way of "real life" ;)
17:05:09 <colonelqubit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Excel
17:05:12 <colonelqubit> colonelqubit: Version 12.0 can handle 1M (220 = 1048576) rows, and 16384 (214 as label 'XFD') columns
17:05:30 <jmadero> ah, yeah interoperability is a big deal
17:05:36 <jmadero> who the hell uses it for 16000 columns
17:05:47 <jmadero> lol MS is encouraging bad use of spreadsheets
17:06:09 <jmadero> but I think there are other issues for interoperability which are a bit more important
17:06:12 <jmadero> like dynamic charts
17:06:49 <jmadero> I actually would say dynamic functions and charts are our biggest core problem
17:06:51 <jmadero> IMHO
17:06:55 <jmadero> and it's a huge task to fix it
17:14:04 <colonelqubit> hmmm
17:14:14 <colonelqubit> say jmadero...can you access the wiki right now?
17:14:28 <jmadero> colonelqubit: yeah
17:14:43 <colonelqubit> good. I thought I may have broken it for a bit w/file uploads
17:17:20 * colonelqubit wonders if he's getting capped by the wiki
17:18:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60850] VIEWING: Can not paste a string into find box
17:24:07 <jmadero> haha
17:36:07 * colonelqubit is doing it for the design team!!!
17:36:11 <colonelqubit> :P
17:37:29 <jmadero> now you're working for design too?
17:42:35 * colonelqubit is on all the lists...
17:42:46 <colonelqubit> well I'm getting them some pictures
17:42:50 <colonelqubit> images of computers
17:43:08 <colonelqubit> the wiki is groaning when I try to feed them to it
17:49:59 <jmadero> computers for the main site, my complaint was heard?
17:50:00 <jmadero> lol
17:50:06 <jmadero> man that QA person was so angry about it
17:50:08 <colonelqubit> hmm?
17:50:27 <jmadero> someone was complaining that all the computers on the page look like Apple products
17:50:29 <jmadero> we had this like twenty minute debate about it
17:50:35 <colonelqubit> lol
17:50:36 <jmadero> he "threatened" to never contribute again
17:50:44 <jmadero> and said we were ruining the idea of FOSS
17:50:49 <jmadero> very metaphysical
17:50:54 <colonelqubit> that trickled down to the website list
17:51:01 <jmadero> lol
17:51:08 <colonelqubit> and I pointed out that the images were basically spitting images of iMacs
17:51:14 <colonelqubit> and offered to get different pics
17:51:19 <colonelqubit> someone took me up on it...
17:51:38 <colonelqubit> both zareason and system76 were quite happy to oblige
17:51:53 * colonelqubit was happy to help
17:52:44 <colonelqubit> now I am patiently waiting for the wiki
17:53:14 <jmadero> I'm sure that person will be happy, if they ever come back
17:53:24 <colonelqubit> oh, you'd get a kick out of this: "Warning:  It is recommended that files are no larger than 5242880; this file is 7751170. Please modify the file description below and try again. "
17:53:26 <jmadero> I told him if he feels he has to stop contributing, it's up to him
17:53:38 <jmadero> lol haha
17:53:54 <jmadero> uh, I think Florian should be told about that one
17:54:01 <jmadero> very strange message
17:54:04 <colonelqubit> yeah, already sent the email
17:54:08 <colonelqubit> so (1) apparently that's just a recommendation
17:54:12 <jmadero> lol was just going to ping him
17:54:17 <jmadero> that's hiliarious
17:54:25 <colonelqubit> and (2) the funniest part is that it asks me to change the description
17:54:31 <jmadero> and then the solution has nothing to do with the size
17:54:35 <floeff> :-) i've seen the mail ... try to look it upt omorrow, but from what i see is that it can NOT be changed without editing the mediawiki code
17:54:41 <colonelqubit> what am I going to say?  "Sorry, this file is really big" :-)
17:54:44 <floeff> i've already file a bug some time ago about that with them
17:54:50 <jmadero> lol
17:54:53 <colonelqubit> floeff: yeah, I figured it was something that should go upstream
17:54:54 <jmadero> makes people laugh at least
17:55:07 <jmadero> "we recommend you wish upon a star and push submit again"
17:55:13 <floeff> lol :)
17:55:23 <floeff> "get a life, stop wasting your time uploading big files" ? ;-)
17:55:28 <jmadero> LOL
17:55:40 <jmadero> "you owe us $5 for storing your huge files"
17:55:53 * colonelqubit fishes in his pocket for another quarter for the uploader
17:55:56 <jmadero> too bad we can't edit the file, we could come up with some funn stuff
17:56:27 <colonelqubit> jmadero: Oh, I'm sure we could edit the warning... floeff might even let us, if they keep local copies in git
17:56:31 <floeff> lol :)
17:56:35 * colonelqubit 0:-)
17:56:35 <jmadero> mmeeks: just a heads up, someone asked in user thread if that site was "officially sanctioned" I hope my answer was appropriate
17:57:35 <mmeeks> jmadero: heh - no idea; the ESC is not -that- official anyway, you'd need to poke the board
17:57:44 <mmeeks> but "until someone says it is not" lets see what happens there :-)
17:57:56 <jmadero> mmeeks: yeah I said basically that ;)
17:58:03 <jmadero> like "it's worked before..." haha
17:58:39 <jmadero> I might start my own on there....I REALLY WANT dynamic functions/charts
17:58:45 <colonelqubit> floeff:  mediawiki isn't the best repo for our media assets. Any thoughts as to what we could use?
17:58:46 <jmadero> kohei has said he wants to do it, but it's going to be time consuming
17:59:20 <floeff> well, anything that was tested or proposed was in the end refused - so i'm a bit out of ideas right now
17:59:34 <floeff> DMS wasn't good, WebDAV wasn't good ... in the end, everyone stuck with the wiki
17:59:38 <colonelqubit> did the designers say no to git?  :P
17:59:41 <floeff> lol
17:59:59 <floeff> i guess we need to kick off a new discussion on that topic sometime in the near future
18:00:05 <floeff> the wiki isn't really suitable for that kind of things
18:00:16 <colonelqubit> yep
18:00:16 <floeff> and it's better we have some alternative that works than waiting for one that's 100% perfect forever
18:02:21 <colonelqubit> DMS?
18:02:27 <floeff> we had alfresco running for a while
18:03:59 <jmadero> anyone using Windows?
18:07:04 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Figure Numbering disrupted in Master Document (LO 3.5) || How do I change the page count in Writer?
18:15:03 <jmadero> pje335_NL: you running Windows by chance?
18:15:11 <pje335_NL> yes
18:15:24 <jmadero> can you quickly open LibreOffice 4 and tell me on the splash screen, is there text that says what is loading?
18:15:27 <jmadero> white text I believe
18:16:11 <pje335_NL> no only wen i make a new user
18:16:18 <pje335_NL> I can do that
18:16:22 <jmadero> nah don't do that
18:16:26 <jmadero> so first time with new user = yes
18:16:28 <jmadero> but after that no
18:17:15 <pje335_NL> i think so
18:17:39 <jmadero> okay, thanks :)
18:43:52 <colonelqubit> jmadero: can you point me at discussion/decision that is described here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-ImprovingBugzilla
18:49:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60854] VIEWING: Formula display
19:04:36 <jmadero> colonelqubit: looking now
19:04:42 <colonelqubit> danke
19:05:44 <jmadero> sie sind herzlich willkommen :)
19:06:02 <jmadero> okay from my recollecton that was mostly just Rainer
19:06:08 <jmadero> before I joined
19:06:15 <jmadero> he just came up with a long list over a period of time of cool things to do
19:06:31 <jmadero> many of which have already been done or determined that they can't be done
19:06:36 <jmadero> like the OpenID
19:06:38 <jmadero> impossible unfortunately
19:06:39 <colonelqubit> he came up with this first: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/How_to_Improve_Bugzilla
19:06:51 <colonelqubit> but then that pointed to the other wiki page
19:07:18 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Web-Based version || How to copy a page in Writer?
19:07:23 <jmadero> ah well it looks like Petr started the page, then Rainer edited it
19:07:23 <colonelqubit> it sounded like there was a high-level decision to stay with fdo. Just wanted more info
19:07:28 <jmadero> oh yeah
19:07:31 <jmadero> that was made
19:07:40 <jmadero> Rob would know more
19:07:49 <colonelqubit> sounds like we're feeling ripples again, with the Impress Remote
19:08:06 <jmadero> he's an advocate for our own bug tracker, the cost + annoyance of porting bugs over to new one
19:08:13 <jmadero> I think outweighed the benefits
19:08:37 <jmadero> I recently talked to Rob about it (last couple months)
19:08:43 <jmadero> our teams are just stretched so thin
19:08:48 <jmadero> someone would have to dedicate a TON of time
19:08:57 <colonelqubit> We couldn't get redirect?
19:09:10 <jmadero> possible, still need the new one set up
19:09:13 <colonelqubit> (sorry to bother you... if there's any background material I could read)
19:09:27 <jmadero> I honestly don't recall seeing the conversation
19:09:30 <jmadero> but I know it happened
19:09:45 <jmadero> moggi: ping ^^ happen to know anything about this convo
19:10:16 <colonelqubit> It just seems like the further we go forward, the harder it gets. Understand the pain of changing infrastructure
19:10:35 <colonelqubit> Was fdo the original bugtracker for go-oo?
19:11:26 <moggi> jmadero: which one? I was not following the chat here
19:12:13 <colonelqubit> moggi: decision about sticking with fdo for bugtracker
19:14:57 <moggi> I think the two main points were that we could not easily migrate users and old bug reports
19:17:51 <jmadero> moggi: what about the man power to make our own?
19:18:03 <jmadero> or was the conversation about moving to another one
19:18:31 <jmadero> personally, I think if Tollef gave some admin rights to a few of our website people, we could make it better
19:18:44 <jmadero> maybe if we make it better, he can give us a deal on our contract
19:18:58 <colonelqubit> oh, do we contract out to fdo?
19:19:05 <jmadero> believe so
19:20:00 <colonelqubit> ah, I thought the arrangement was different
19:20:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60855] RTL UI: handout show boxes out of page border
19:21:14 <jmadero> there's the man of the hour ;) he'd know more
19:21:22 <jmadero> might be able to point you to the threads
19:21:23 <colonelqubit> jmadero: bug in templates. wherego?
19:21:46 <jmadero> hm, template that comes with libreoffice, or template they downloaded?
19:21:59 <colonelqubit> Abstract Yellow Impress template
19:22:06 <colonelqubit> http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11656/abstract-yellow-template-bug/
19:22:32 <jmadero> to FDO then
19:22:51 <jmadero> ertai_NL: morning, colonelqubit was looking for the thread(s) where discussion took place about sticking with FDO
19:22:54 <jmadero> pointers?
19:23:39 <ertai_NL> no.. never seen that discussion
19:23:45 <jmadero> ah, damn
19:23:58 <ertai_NL> but doesn't nabble have a search-function?
19:24:10 <jmadero> but yes I do think it's contracted, when I see conversations with Tollef it's always like "would this fit in our contract"
19:24:20 <jmadero> ertai_NL: not sure, never use nabble
19:24:52 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: search nabble.documentfoundation.org
19:25:01 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: thanks, willdo
19:25:05 <jmadero> wonder what the search would be
19:25:08 * ertai_NL is searching when the conference in milaan will be held
19:25:11 <jmadero> FDO is probably much to broad
19:25:36 <colonelqubit> I'll start with fdo + tollef
19:25:54 <jmadero> I dunno if he'd be included
19:25:58 <jmadero> since he works for FDO
19:25:58 <jmadero> ;)
19:25:59 <colonelqubit> or if I can use a "-" operator, start to winnow-down
19:26:30 <colonelqubit> The primary reason I asked y'all was just in case this conversation happened off-list
19:26:36 * colonelqubit didn't want to go off on a wild goose chase
19:26:44 <colonelqubit> but if it was on the list somewhere, I'll track it down
19:26:48 <jmadero> it might have, I know I've asked and it was like "the decision was already made"
19:26:49 <jmadero> ;)
19:26:58 * colonelqubit shakes his head
19:27:11 <jmadero> ah, don't spend much time ;)
19:27:20 <jmadero> might be impossible to track down
19:27:35 <jmadero> (wishes there was a brilliant algorythm that sorted/organized ML)
19:27:41 <ertai_NL> at the time I asked (may 2012) there wheren't enough people/time for infra-team
19:27:51 <jmadero> I thikn that is still an issue
19:27:54 <jmadero> + what Markus was saying earlier
19:27:57 <colonelqubit> jmadero: it's called google  (well okay, that's the best we have so far)
19:28:10 <jmadero> lol ML could be sorted so much better
19:28:27 <ertai_NL> does anybody know the url with the proposition of milaan for the conference
19:28:36 <colonelqubit> one of the weird issues I find is that I'll click "Thread index" from a message, and be dropped several pages away from that thread
19:28:48 <colonelqubit> and have to wander-off, using the date of the message to find it
19:28:51 <jmadero> ertai_NL: let me dig through my email
19:29:19 <colonelqubit> [us-marketing] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
19:29:31 <colonelqubit> http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/milan2013.pdf
19:29:38 <jmadero> thanks :)
19:29:45 <colonelqubit> no prob -- you're busy enough as it is
19:30:01 <jmadero> if only we had another 50 QA people
19:30:09 <jmadero> (dreaming of a brighter future)
19:30:13 <colonelqubit> ooh, montreal. I could actually get there
19:30:20 <ertai_NL> 25th till 27th of september..
19:30:51 <jmadero> and not worth TDF funding as I'm just a nobody in the organization ;)
19:30:52 <jmadero> not enough to contribute to get funded
19:30:58 <jmadero> so expensive to get to Milan for me
19:31:20 <ertai_NL> jmadero: don't think like that.. even I get refund
19:31:43 * jmadero loves when I come up with a really simple solution at work that a) frees my time and b) makes me look like a genius :)
19:31:58 <ertai_NL> :)
19:32:08 <jmadero> ertai_NL: you're a programmer:)
19:32:29 <jmadero> I think they would fund partially but, I'm not sure if I'll ask
19:32:35 <jmadero> plus, I'll be back in school which is another barrier :)
19:32:51 * jmadero 2+ years away from school, nervous to go back
19:33:02 <jmadero> my brain has atrophed
19:33:03 <ertai_NL> that's your dicision
19:33:17 <ertai_NL> what are you going to study for
19:33:23 <jmadero> yeah I'll decide soon
19:33:33 <jmadero> becoming a lawyer
19:33:36 <moggi> jmadero: please don't use that as excuse not to go to the libO conference
19:33:47 <jmadero> moggi: that's exactly what it is, an excuse!
19:33:48 <jmadero> :)
19:34:11 <ertai_NL> just go.. and appy for a refund.. you'll probably get it
19:34:35 <jmadero> I'll consider, still months away
19:34:37 <ertai_NL> damn.. dresden is hard to get to..
19:34:53 <jmadero> I am full of excuses, ultimately I'm just nervous around new groups ;) out of my "comfort zone"
19:34:54 <jmadero> haha
19:35:03 <jmadero> get a couple beers in me and I'm good to go
19:35:35 <colonelqubit> jmadero: I probably won't be back in Oregon until December, otherwise we could have our own "conference" :-)
19:35:36 <ertai_NL> jmadero: you are familiar with some of us.. even if it is only by mail/irc/call
19:36:01 <jmadero> yes, we've had off and on discussions about a US group getting together
19:36:20 <jmadero> ertai_NL: yeah, and once I am there I'm good to go, I just build up suspense myself and end up saying no much too often
19:36:29 <jmadero> my wife says it's the one thing that might hold me back professionally :-/
19:37:11 * ertai_NL uses hackfests and conferences also as little holidays to see the cities where the event is in
19:37:28 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Abstract yellow template bug
19:37:29 <ertai_NL> Milaan is a great city to see
19:40:47 <jmadero> I can imagine :) I've been to Europe once and it was fantastic
19:40:57 <jmadero> if I go I will bringing my wife along, she's excited about the idea
19:41:05 <ertai_NL> within 100 km I can find 5 airports.. but none fly to dresden..
19:41:07 <ertai_NL> :(
19:41:15 <jmadero> where is Dresden
19:41:28 * jmadero should just google instead of asking dumb questions
19:41:29 <jmadero> ;)
19:42:26 <ertai_NL> jmadero: eastern germany..
19:42:35 <jmadero> ohh
19:43:42 * jmadero also need to get better about thinking in km instead of miles
19:44:27 <ertai_NL> just devide by 1.6
19:44:43 <jmadero> I mean immediately thinking in km, miles are...useless
19:44:54 <ertai_NL> :)
19:45:56 <ertai_NL> anyone that needs a great idea.. build a website where I can say where I live and where I want to go and finds a nearby airport with a good flight to the place
19:46:15 <jmadero> kayaak ?
19:46:21 <jmadero> oh you can't enter where yo ulive
19:46:24 <jmadero> that is a money idea
19:46:38 <jmadero> add transportation to and from airport to your home with total price
19:46:46 <jmadero> + a pretty google map
19:47:28 <ertai_NL> yes.. for me it is a hell to find a good flight as I can leave form 5 airports.. each about as far drive for me as the others.. so one of them to my destination is ok
19:47:59 <jmadero> ertai_NL: seems like it's time for you to quit your day job and develop a cool site
19:49:28 <ertai_NL> argh.. this site doesn't even find eindhoven airport
19:51:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60856] Background in some dialogs is not rendered with oxygen-gtk || [Bug 60857] FORMATTING: Header page count from zero || [Bug 60858] Menu doesn't list anything for horizontal line.
19:58:58 <ertai_NL> vliegwinkel.nl++
20:00:45 <ertai_NL> flights between 180 euro and 4800 euro..
20:05:16 <jmadero> wth
20:05:16 <jmadero> haha
20:05:18 <jmadero> talk about a range
20:06:14 <jmadero> it's like "our prices range from reasonable to you owe us your soul"
20:07:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Regular Expressions is not working on Mac
20:16:18 <colonelqubit> even flying across the US, I've seen prices vary from $250 to $2000
20:17:44 <colonelqubit> I think the $250 was a 3-leg flight, operated by 2 different airlines :-)  $2000 was a direct by Delta, IIRC.
20:18:08 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: I just have to go < 650 km
20:18:14 <colonelqubit> ah, fair
20:21:45 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60860] libmspub-0.0.4 - error of shapes with invisible area || [Bug 60861] FILEOPEN: LibreOffice 4.0 prevents ODF files opening on remote mounted drive
21:24:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60861] FILEOPEN: LibreOffice 4.0 rejects opening ODF files on remote mounted drive
21:24:41 <colonelqubit> hey guys, what's the deal with resetting one's user profile? I've seen a number of people suggest that as a possible fix for weird (and not so weird) bugs, and it sounds rather like black magic.
21:25:15 <colonelqubit> Is there some underlying issue with user profiles or user preferences that needs to be re-engineered?
21:25:39 <jmadero> colonelqubit: what kind of issue?
21:25:45 <jmadero> oh
21:25:50 <jmadero> well, yes and no
21:25:53 <colonelqubit> we're not being sane about how we read/write prefs?
21:25:58 <jmadero> if you install a beta or alpha, you can have issues
21:26:06 <colonelqubit> that's what it sounds like, based on how we're using this as a clue-by-four
21:26:08 <jmadero> and that's expected, as it's a pre-release
21:26:25 <jmadero> with stable release, if you stick to only stable, in general we hope not to have issues
21:26:39 <jmadero> but libreoffice 4 and 3 don't share a config folder from my recollection (could be wrong)
21:26:44 <colonelqubit> okay. I have users suggesting user profile reset as like a panacea to pretty much any issue on the Ask site
21:26:45 <jmadero> I have a 3 and 4 folder inside of my config folder
21:27:00 <jmadero> I suggest it quite often, just to be 100% not a environment issue
21:27:01 <colonelqubit> .config/libreoffice/major-version-number/
21:27:12 <jmadero> especially if I can't reproduce a bug
21:27:56 <colonelqubit> ok
21:28:14 <jmadero> I'd say 90% of the time it doesn't fix the issue ;)
21:28:21 <jmadero> I always try to reproduce first
21:28:35 <colonelqubit> Maybe we should make a "greatest hits" page for the Ask site
21:28:51 <colonelqubit> so if someone has a generic issue, I can say: Hey, I can't repro, but please check this list of common problems
21:29:08 <jmadero> that would be quite handy :)
21:29:52 <colonelqubit> I still want a button that says "Turn this into a bug report"
21:30:09 <colonelqubit> especially as some of the time I've already tried to repro the problem
21:30:16 <jmadero> agreed, and a list of "have you tried" with boolean yes/no that then goes into bug comment
21:30:18 <jmadero> that would be AWESOME
21:30:31 <jmadero> like "did you have this problem in previous releases"
21:30:35 <jmadero> "did you try resetting your profiel"
21:30:37 <jmadero> profile"
21:30:48 <jmadero> "has someone else reproduced this problem as far as you know"
21:31:55 <colonelqubit> improving infrastructure is really key, because it not only allows *us* to work more efficiently, but it also allows smart users to work more efficiently as well
21:32:15 <colonelqubit> and may attract more people to volunteer to help us out (because of the great experience they had in reporting their problem)
21:34:05 <colonelqubit> Look at all of the rich info on this question: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11870/copypaste-from-libreoffice-4-to-internet-browser/ -- it would be so nice to turn that into a bug report and credit everyone who was participating
21:35:31 <jmadero> yeah if there is a bug it's best to move it to fdo quickly and then get users on ask to participate in conversation there
21:35:36 <colonelqubit> If we controlled the bug tracker, and everyone had SSO with OpenID, we could just transfer content to bugzilla and populate from the Question. If we wanted to get fancy, we could try to populate using answers and comments, leveraging bugzilla's reply-to-comment syntax, but that would just be gravy
21:35:38 <jmadero> then developers also gauge the issue based on # of comments
21:35:46 <colonelqubit> gotcha, that's good to know
21:35:57 * colonelqubit is always swamped at the Ask site
21:36:14 <jmadero> yeah, while FDO gets neglected by userse which is unforutnate
21:36:18 <jmadero> it's good to know if 20 users see the issue
21:36:25 <jmadero> the we can make it a MAB
21:36:26 <jmadero> and push for  afix
21:36:35 <jmadero> with 5k+ bugs reported, prioritizing is quite difficult
21:37:09 <colonelqubit> log(bug age) + log(comments) + something...something
21:37:22 <jmadero> comments aren't always accurate which is a problem
21:37:27 <jmadero> one user can put 20 comments on their own bug
21:37:29 <colonelqubit> sure
21:37:34 <jmadero> and it promoted "bumps" if you say comments count for something
21:37:41 <colonelqubit> sure
21:37:42 <jmadero> let me emial you something I came up with awhile back
21:37:43 <jmadero> :)
21:37:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: MakePropertyValue() broken in LibreOffice Calc 4.0 || LO4: placeholder deletes paragraph
21:38:02 <jmadero> email address?
21:38:57 <colonelqubit> check your inbox
21:39:35 <jmadero> you're even saved in my address book
21:39:35 <jmadero> my bad
21:39:42 <colonelqubit> :P
21:44:53 <jmadero> I'm working on using that in some way to get to MAB
21:46:07 <colonelqubit> did you filter-out all unconfirmed?
21:46:40 <jmadero> I forget, I made that a couple months ago just as a beta test
21:46:51 <jmadero> then LibreOffice 4 became priority
21:47:26 <jmadero> I must have
21:47:30 <jmadero> <4000 bugs
21:47:31 <jmadero> lol
21:47:38 <jmadero> those must just be NEW
21:57:52 <colonelqubit> jmadero: is it possible we don't have an enhancement bug for LO on android?
21:58:20 <colonelqubit> I was looking for one to post on this Q, but I don't find oen
22:02:46 <jmadero> give me a minute to searc
22:03:06 * colonelqubit is drafting one now...
22:03:12 <colonelqubit> (lemme know if you find one)
22:03:45 <jmadero> looks like there isn't one
22:03:46 <jmadero> interesting
22:03:49 <jmadero> that is a huge request
22:03:55 <colonelqubit> okay, I'll submit this one
22:03:58 <jmadero> probably need to get funding together if they want it done in the next year or two ;)
22:04:08 <colonelqubit> I'm including a few of the urls of q's from the ask site...
22:04:50 <colonelqubit> suggestion for wiki url?
22:04:51 <jmadero> good stuff :) mark it as NEW
22:05:09 <colonelqubit> maybe /LibreOffice on Android
22:05:12 <jmadero> wiki url for?
22:05:19 <colonelqubit> I'd like to have a place to stick information about current status
22:05:21 <jmadero> for a new wiki you mean?
22:05:23 <colonelqubit> so I can send people there when they ask
22:05:36 <jmadero> yeah LibreOffice on Android seems good
22:05:37 <colonelqubit> no, no. on the main wiki.
22:05:50 <jmadero> I meant a new page
22:05:51 <jmadero> not a new wiki
22:06:00 <colonelqubit> One way to at least...calm the masses (if you will :-) would be to have weekly/monthly updates
22:06:12 <jmadero> I suspect it will not move forward at all any time soon
22:06:29 <jmadero> unless someone raises money so that Canonical or Suse will do it
22:06:29 <colonelqubit> heck, it would be okay to say May 4th - No new progress
22:06:40 <jmadero> yeah, if that's acceptable
22:06:56 <jmadero> maybe a great GSoC idea
22:06:57 <colonelqubit> but people are basically chomping at the bit..
22:06:58 <jmadero> at least a viewer
22:07:14 * colonelqubit has a vague feeling that someone was doing that for GSoC or something..
22:07:26 <jmadero> personally, I don't see the point, but that's just me
22:07:42 <jmadero> ohhh
22:07:44 <jmadero> forgot about tablets
22:07:45 <jmadero> haha
22:07:49 <jmadero> (was thinking about my phone)
22:07:58 <colonelqubit> I figure that if Android phones are getting beefy enough for Ubuntu on Android, why not push in that direction?
22:08:18 <jmadero> oh wait
22:08:19 <colonelqubit> Want LO? Here...have a whole distro
22:08:20 <jmadero> found an article
22:08:27 <jmadero> LibreOffice for Android Coming Soon
22:08:35 <colonelqubit> yeah, I read that as well
22:08:49 <colonelqubit> well, one of them. No idea what "soon" means, though
22:09:11 <jmadero> looks like Michael was quoted
22:09:39 <jmadero> go ahead and open the enhancement anyways
22:09:48 <jmadero> maybe get in touch with Michael to see if Iain Billet is still working on it
22:09:50 <colonelqubit> yep.
22:10:08 <colonelqubit> ping his email?
22:10:22 <jmadero> or right here :-D
22:10:28 <colonelqubit> true
22:10:44 <colonelqubit> won't get around to it until tomorrow anyhow. busy day..
22:11:07 <jmadero> yeah you've been hard at work as always
22:11:13 <jmadero> I haven't done much today for LibreOffice actually
22:13:53 <colonelqubit> url for that article?
22:16:54 <jmadero> http://www.pcworld.com/article/258834/libreoffice_for_android_is_in_the_works.html
22:17:02 <colonelqubit> thakns
22:22:10 <jmadero> signing off for a bit
22:22:12 <jmadero> I'll be back
22:22:17 * jmadero off to lunch or something
22:26:21 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60862] Provide builds of LibreOffice for the Android platform
22:38:21 <IZBot> News from asklibo: What are Tags?
23:08:26 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is LibreOffice 4 available for Android? || Hyperlinks in calc to another calc doc not working
23:26:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60863] CONFIGURATION: Installer selects US English as default UI language on British English systems
23:32:21 <colonelqubit> is the new regexp engine compatible with the old one?
23:57:49 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60864] FILEOPEN: General Error Opening Writer Files
00:08:42 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Passive installation switch for disabling the java environment? (silent, unattended)
01:39:03 <IZBot> News from asklibo: bug reporting / enhancement requests - which site is better and why?
02:32:33 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60867] EDITING: Crashing || [Bug 60869] EDITING: Sorting column and a bug.
03:34:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60870] EDITING: Spell Check custom dictionary not recognized? || [Bug 60871] UI: Default view for Stylist
06:10:57 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60872] Help button in menu 'Tools - Options - LibO - Appearance' does not reach context related LOCALHELP
06:42:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60873] UI: Context sensitive Help and Help Button missing in 'Tools -> Protect Document -> Sheet' dialog
07:14:01 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60875] LOCALHELP incomplete for Menu 'View - Value Highlighting' of protected cells || [Bug 60874] UI: Context sensitive Help and Help Button missing in 'Tools -> Protect Document -> Document' dialog
08:13:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Impress 3.5 - problem adding "Other Sound" || Erratic scrollbar behaviour in Calc || LibreOffice 4.0.0.3: Show Variable not working in Header || Opening MS Office files in LibreOffice mess up the formatting || allignment
08:45:03 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Master pages with different page sizes
08:47:09 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60876] Autoplay Repeat Pause timing not stored for PPT
09:18:04 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60878] Passing an address to MakePropertyValue() works on LO 3.5, breaks on LO 4.0.0.3 || [Bug 60880] database file corrupted || [Bug 60877] Pivot table numeric value is hidden by the combobox
09:20:34 <pje335_NL> hello all
09:45:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: CALC: Auto recalc does not work.
09:48:52 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60881] error reading WRITER file || [Bug 60882] Export xhtml
10:10:47 <pje335_NL> hi all look at the this bug #60757  if we can fix it we wil get $300 any one can reproduce ?
10:10:49 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED PDF: PDF export of SVG images distorted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60757
10:15:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Convert multiple csv files to multisheet xls?
10:19:12 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60883] Macros: macros allways disabled in files created from templates || [Bug 60885] FILESAVE: File button and relevant Help not same || [Bug 60886] LibreOffice 4.0.0.3: Show Variable not working in Header
10:49:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60888] The header not on the first page in reports and empty pages || [Bug 60889] FILEOPEN: Incorrect opening XLSX file || [Bug 60886] Show Variable not working in Page Header
12:21:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60892] FORMATTING: character background color || [Bug 60893] CONFIGURATION: Add an option to dock toolbars to the right
13:23:41 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60856] KDE: Background in some dialogs is not rendered with oxygen-gtk
13:54:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60896] Double click in Special Characters picker inserts nothing
14:24:16 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60898] Elements of a page are not printed || [Bug 60899] FILEOPEN: When opening XLSB file, Calc closes (crashes) without error message || [Bug 60897] LO 4.0 write protects wrong cells, regression
14:54:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60900] nested select failed with limit keyword
15:18:45 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Customization lost after upgrading to 4.0
15:55:47 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60902] FORMCONTROLS: Missing space in the end of sentence || [Bug 60903] : Changing of start window || [Bug 60905] Some Regular Expressions are not working in Mac OS X || [Bug 60904] Application crashes when a basic library is exported from an Excel document. || [Bug 60906] Make color configuration consistent
16:26:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60907] MySQL Connector build fails on Mac OSX with autogen switch --with-libmysql-path || [Bug 60908] : Loading Report Builder 1.2.3 crashes
16:49:09 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how can I batch delete empty footnotes?
16:57:19 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60910] FILEOPEN: Fontwork disappears || [Bug 60909] Out of space warning ...
17:13:27 <pje335_NL> hi all
17:19:17 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Impress crashes clicking Outline Tab || Auto sequential numbering
17:25:28 <bgranados> Hi!
17:29:28 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60912] WEEKNUM_ADD fails when second parameter is omitted
17:31:04 <pje335_NL> lol this company wans to pay a$300 for a bugfix
17:38:00 <jorendc> hi bgranados
17:38:05 <jorendc> pje335_eat: :p what bugfix?
17:39:01 <bgranados> why lol?  unless that's a low price?
17:44:57 <jorendc> gtg
17:45:08 <jorendc> sorry, important
17:49:23 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How to convert documents to PDF on OSX
18:01:12 <pje335_eat> bug : #60757
18:01:14 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer major/high NEW PDF: PDF export of SVG images distorted https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60757
18:01:24 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60913] : StarOffice Import with OLE (calc) Object is not displayed || [Bug 60914] Number FORMATTING not changed in all cells of selection || [Bug 60915] FORMATTING: Date with [~buddhist] always show the year with 4 digits || [Bug 60917] : spell correct, German (Switzerland)
18:19:31 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How can I transfer my preferences from 3.6 to 4.0? || How to open 500+ docs and save as .html
18:31:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60919] Internal links get broken for word 97/2000 and word 2010 file formats || [Bug 60918] inserting cells moves annotations also outside the range
19:02:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60920] PRINTING: Printing: Print dialogue looks stripped and flat || [Bug 60886] Show Variable not working in Page Header and Page Footer || [Bug 60921] LibreOffice can't open any ODF files
19:34:00 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60922] FILEOPEN, FILESAVE create document as odt, save as docx , fonts show badly || [Bug 60923] Impress shows full-screen slideshow tiny
19:49:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Save MS 2003 .xls spreadsheet with Text Box to .obs format
20:04:31 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60924] move libraries to autoinstallation in scp2
20:20:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: impress template are too complicated || Percentage based histogram || creating labels from comma deliminated text
21:06:35 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60927] Hiding sections is borked || [Bug 60928] FILEOPEN fails opening doc file.
21:55:19 <ertai_NL> anybody here any experience with the remote?
22:20:59 <IZBot> News from asklibo: vector arrow equation edit || How do I make a custom style available in all my documents? || Y Error Bar Dialog defective in LibreOffice Calc 4 || Hi, Ask Site users! Moderation has been enabled, so your answers and comments will not show up immediately. Thanks!
22:38:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60930] FORMCONTROLS: Closing 'AutoCorrect Options...' window
22:52:13 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Calc How do I drag and drop contents only, while preserving formatting in the original cell?
23:22:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: How do you close LibreOffice Calc from a macro? || Writer crashes on any save || Is there support for Corel Draw 4 Clipart (.cdr) in LibreOffice?
23:52:56 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Incomplete Doc file conversion
00:23:06 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Dynamic Cell Background Color || LibreOffice Base SSL connection to PostgreSQL (Linux) || Mac 4.0 won't open document
01:13:27 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60934] libre office The application cannot be started. [context="shared"] caught unexpected exception!
01:45:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60936] : Copying text adds extra line when pasted into excel
01:53:29 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Draw doesn't save selected font weight || Calc: Pivot table with text starting 0 does not display correctly || compatibility with microsoft access97
02:23:39 <IZBot> News from asklibo: comment in calc is the referencing the wrong cell || retrieving formula values || The printed B&W images are too bright
02:48:48 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60937] Quickstarter
02:53:44 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice 4.0 looks ugly in KDE
03:23:54 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Crash: Writer Page Preview, LO 3.4.4 Ubuntu 11.10 || open rtf file problem || Why can't I permanently set accessibility support? || Calc- Comment issue from prior question on location -
03:54:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: .MSI Property For Save As Type || Change XY chart data colors || Strange view of tables when opening ods (oo.org)-files in libreoffice
04:24:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Problem with impress 3.5 and pptx slides || LO3.5 and Windows Server 2008 R2 || Wearisome performance of Impress in Mac OS X || Error loading basic document || How to use data from the internet || function name completion
04:54:19 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Insert dxf picture containing an MTEXT entity unsuccesful || Remove <style> element when cut from Calc and pasted into another application || Support for docx with password? || after download of program still cannot open wps files || Default vs Active Printer
07:25:00 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Can't install LibreOffice 3.6 / 4.0 on Windows 8 x64
08:33:25 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60944] save Calc files in xlsx format
09:04:59 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60945] Save command opens an 'Open' dialog
09:35:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60946] FILESAVE: Writer crashes upon trying to open odt document containing text-range comments || [Bug 60947] FORMATTING: wrong format (negative in red) after reopening a file
09:55:37 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Use major internal on chart as one month
10:07:46 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60948] UI: Language for the User Interface
10:39:54 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60948] More help about installation of UI languages
10:55:52 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Impress embed audio and export to PDF
11:11:32 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60937] CONFIGURATION: Quickstarter opens Template Manager
11:42:11 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60949] move libraries from UNOLIBS_OOO to OOOLIBS in build system
11:56:08 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Alphabetical index not combining entries with chapter info in Writer 3.6x nor 4.0r
12:14:08 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60950] : No private Template available in Menu "Vorlagen"
12:26:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Is LibreOffice available for Android?
13:46:42 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60952] [DOCX] Table column is cut, outstretched and broken
14:33:35 <jorendc> hi pje335_NL
14:34:18 <pje335_NL> ey jorendc
14:34:34 <jorendc> everything going well in the weekend :)?
14:35:05 <pje335_NL> yes i does and i got vacation so its even better :)
14:35:27 <pje335_NL> how you doing?
14:36:12 <jorendc> nice
14:36:34 <jorendc> no vacation here :)... had one two weeks ago, so I need to wait a bit for the next one :p
14:36:37 <jorendc> busy ... busy
14:36:47 <jorendc> but I'm going to triage some bugs right now :)
14:36:58 <pje335_NL> me 2
14:37:24 <pje335_NL> in the never ending list
14:38:07 <jorendc> hehe :)
14:38:25 <jorendc> that list will never end for sure ... but the only thing we need to try is to get it in control
14:40:00 <pje335_NL> yeah for sure not a test marathon like some time a go but a trigger marathon or so that whoot help
14:40:32 <jorendc> yes, we're working on that
14:40:41 <pje335_NL> ow oke
14:46:52 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL \o/
14:47:14 <jorendc> a Dutch-speaking chat over here ;-)
14:47:30 <pje335_NL> hah
14:47:43 <jorendc_BE> :p
14:47:49 <pje335_NL> hahaha
14:47:59 <jorendc_BE> grrr, Belgium 1 - 2 Holland
14:48:03 <jorendc_BE> grrr
14:48:14 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60953] REPORTBUILDER: Fejl vedr. sidehoved på rapport || [Bug 60954] Crash getting contents of a CMIS repository
14:48:28 <jorendc_BE> oh god .. a norway bug ^
14:48:51 <pje335_NL> i can't read that
14:49:04 <pje335_NL> one of my friends can do that
14:49:59 <jorendc_BE> lets shoot that one to the proper mailinglist
14:50:27 <jorendc_BE> oh, it's danish :p
14:50:51 <pje335_NL> goog.. translate <3
15:00:18 <ertai_NL> hi
15:00:23 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL :)
15:00:28 <jorendc> how it's going over there?
15:00:34 <ertai_NL> jorendc: IK KOM NIET UIT HOLLAND!
15:00:54 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ow :p...?
15:01:40 <ertai_NL> jorendc: watch and learn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc
15:01:41 <IZBot> YouTube - Holland vs the Netherlands by: CGPGrey - 04:00
15:01:52 <pje335_NL> i have seen that one
15:02:02 * jorendc watching the video
15:02:33 <pje335_NL> thats a nice video
15:06:25 <jorendc> lol :D nice ertai_NL
15:06:28 <jorendc> didn't know that :p
15:06:51 <jorendc> sorry; a point for the Netherlands then: Belgium 1 - 3 the Netherlands ;-)
15:07:17 <pje335_NL> 3?
15:07:26 <ertai_NL> yes.. now you know.. now the rest of the world..
15:08:50 <pje335_NL> i gone show this to my stepmother who lifes in Belgium
15:09:13 <jorendc> :p
15:09:40 <ertai_NL> I really hate it when people say that I'm from holland.. stupid province
15:10:44 <pje335_NL> ^^
15:11:05 <ertai_NL> why can't LO build without english set as language
15:11:51 <ertai_NL> now I have to rebuild it all
15:14:12 <jorendc> ertai_NL: what do you mean with 'English set'?
15:26:57 <ertai_NL> jorendc: when you build LibreOffice the default is english.. but I wanted to compile Dutch in it.. but then you have to specify you want dutch and en-us.. otherwise it won't run the tests
15:27:29 <ertai_NL> and you don't have your build
15:27:45 <jorendc> ertai_NL: oh yes; with ./autogen.sh --with-lang or something
15:27:58 <ertai_NL> (if I remember it correctly from what eike explained)
15:28:05 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes
15:28:14 <jorendc> no, I'm now building (just default build) ./autogen.sh --enable-debug
15:28:34 <jorendc> ertai_NL: what would you like to test?
15:29:12 * ertai_NL wrote a patch to correct the default-language-setting in LO.. but I need to build LO with multiple languages for that
15:29:27 <ertai_NL> so I compiled with german and dutch.. but that failed
15:30:10 <jorendc> mmmh :s
15:30:54 <ertai_NL> jorendc: have you tried the impress remote?
15:31:19 <jorendc> ertai_NL: yes, yesterday again... but I can't work with it yet (mac osx)
15:31:23 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: or you?
15:31:33 <ertai_NL> jorendc: I also can't get it to work
15:31:38 <ertai_NL> with linux
15:32:00 <jorendc> the bluetooth connector for Mac OSX is introduced 2 days ago. I installed a daily build yesterday, but it still doesn't work great
15:32:20 <jorendc> ertai_NL: but I saw some fixes now, for Mac OSX ... so I hope I can install it tomorrow again, and test again :)
15:32:25 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you got an error?
15:32:44 <jorendc> ertai_NL: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/RemoteHowTo
15:34:37 <ertai_NL> jorendc: LO just hangs
15:35:03 <jorendc> oh :s
15:35:27 <jorendc> ertai_NL: tested with latest version?
15:35:54 <ertai_NL> tested with the 4.0.3 version.. but the wiki explains that that is known to fail
15:36:09 <jorendc> yes, they are still working on it
15:36:21 * ertai_NL wants to help
15:36:25 <jorendc> ertai_NL: especially tor and meeks
15:36:48 <jorendc> ertai_NL: why you can't ... :p?
15:37:00 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you can find the code in the android-folder
15:37:56 <pje335_NL> no i didn't try because i got no bluethoot
15:38:12 <pje335_NL> (on my pc)
15:40:33 <pje335_NL> got a question wan some on says: wen i open this file it freeze. an i got it frezeing as wel shouw i just say i can conform or not becaues it can be because of the file
15:41:25 <jorendc> pje335_NL: yes, you can say you can reproduce this behavior
15:41:31 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: somethimes it is better to ask them to contact the local-list
15:41:51 <pje335_NL> what do you mean ertai_NL
15:42:00 <jorendc> pje335_NL: can you open the file, but is it just slow? or while opening the file libreoffice just hangs?
15:42:26 <pje335_NL> its freezes but i opens in pages and word
15:42:50 <ertai_NL> pje335_NL: I thougth that sentince was of a bug you read
15:43:26 <pje335_NL> ow no they say : Writer hangs on opening some doc, docx or rtf files.
15:43:35 <pje335_NL> # 55917
15:43:39 <ertai_NL> jorendc: I know where the code is.. but first I want it to get it to work on my pc/phone
15:44:05 <ertai_NL> fdo#55917
15:44:09 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Writer hands on opening some files https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55917
15:44:37 <jorendc> ertai_NL: your phone hangs/crashes or impress?
15:44:42 <ertai_NL> impress
15:44:58 <ertai_NL> jorendc: just like they say on the wiki-page that would happen
15:44:59 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you can open a bug report and provide a backtrace?
15:45:13 <jorendc> ertai_NL: sure :), but maybe it can help to point to some errors
15:45:34 <jorendc> ertai_NL: when they say 'we know it freezes' it wouldn't say the know for sure WHERE it all freezes
15:45:34 <ertai_NL> no.. they found the error.. and I want to try with a local build as that should work
15:45:52 <jorendc> but in this stage of development it's not surprising it freezes :)
15:45:54 <ertai_NL> if it doesn't work there then I'll post a bug
15:46:03 <jorendc> oh ok :)
15:46:18 <ertai_NL> but it is recompiling due to the language-problem I had
15:48:12 * ertai_NL wonders why we are speaking english when we all speak Dutch as main language
15:48:27 <jorendc> policy :p?
15:49:10 <jorendc> ertai_NL: mmh, goeie vraag ... maar ik weet niet of dat aangenaam is als men deze gesprekken naleest (er zijn een aantal niet-Nederlandstalige in deze chat)
15:49:26 <ertai_NL> I know..
15:49:27 <jorendc> maar, voor mij geen probleem... niemand anders is echt actief momenteel :)
15:49:38 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60947] FORMATTING: wrong conditional format (negative in red) after reopening a file || [Bug 60956] EDITING: Faulty auto-correct
15:49:42 <ertai_NL> Connecting multiple remote controls. This works reasonably well, but has been known to get into loops where the two devices fight over which slide to display *laughs*
15:50:00 <jorendc> :p inderdada
15:50:04 <jorendc> inderdaad*
15:50:20 <ertai_NL> not google fight.. but impress fight..
15:50:26 <jorendc> ertai_NL: was je bij de presentatie van michael meeks?
15:50:33 <ertai_NL> nee
15:50:43 <jorendc> daar werkte hij met die remote
15:50:53 <ertai_NL> heb de video gezien..
15:50:56 <jorendc> hij toonde zelfs een klein beetje van LibreOffice on android :o
15:51:09 <jorendc> oh ok :)
15:51:44 <ertai_NL> ik heb ook een video gezien van de presentatie die hij hield in het midden-oosten.. daar had hij ook al de remote
15:52:59 <jorendc> hehe, hij heeft gewoon gezorgd dat het enkel op zijn toestel werkt *evil laugh*
15:53:24 <ertai_NL> nee.. meer zijn build
15:53:48 <jorendc> true :)
15:57:03 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Embed SpreadSheet in Presentation as Icon || Does anyone know?
16:07:00 <pje335_NL> gone go, later
16:07:44 <jorendc> bye pje335_NL
16:09:38 <jorendc> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60947 recalculation problem... but I can't find any duplicates for this one (although I can remember there is one...)
16:09:42 <IZBot> bug 60947: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED FORMATTING: wrong conditional format (negative in red) after reopening a file
16:09:56 <jorendc> moggi: ctrl+shift+F9 resolve the issue
16:19:09 <moggi> jorendc: why did you add ocnditional formatting to the title?
16:19:38 <jorendc> moggi: I'm writing now a comment to the bug reporter and you (to ask if I'm right this is conditional formatting)
16:20:03 <jorendc> moggi: because I'm not sure about it ... I know conditional formatting is located under Format -> conditional formatting
16:20:04 <moggi> no, it is not, it is normal number formatting
16:20:34 <jorendc> moggi: but I thought ... this is kind of CONDITIONAL (if number is < 0 -> red) ... I thought it was
16:20:38 <jorendc> ok; I'll change it
16:20:53 <moggi> and the duplicate is fdo#60215
16:20:56 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Spreadsheet major/high ASSIGNED FILEOPEN: FORMATTING of value-related color, localized decimal separator and Currency VIEWING need Complete Recalculation https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60215
16:22:10 <jorendc> moggi: ok thanks; sorry to disturb you
16:22:28 <jorendc> btw, you're hunting 'coverty' bugs :p?
16:22:42 <jorendc> I mean ... bugs found by coverity :)
16:22:43 <jorendc> handy tool?
16:23:03 <moggi> yes, just went through the serious calc reports
16:23:27 <jorendc> nice; I saw many memory leaks :)
16:23:47 <jorendc> fixes*
16:27:12 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Connect Google Could Sql to LibreOffice calc
16:29:08 <moggi> there are a few thousand more reports but most of them are just false positives
16:30:27 <jorendc> oh ok :)
16:46:20 <jorendc> got to go; bye
16:51:26 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60957] FILEOPEN: docx file incorrectly opened. || [Bug 60959] MinGW: Help -> About LibreOffice || [Bug 60958] BUGZILLAASSISTANT: Greeting text should tell that goal is to make bug reproducible || [Bug 60947] FORMATTING: wrong format (negative in red) after reopening a file
17:27:24 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Histogram questions
17:36:09 <ohallot> hi guys... I need you to confirm a bug in 4.0.0, ref: deleting a paragrah just after a table. I
17:37:09 <ohallot> I had in memory that if you place the cursor on the last cell of the table, you press ctrl+shift+del and the paragraph after the table is deleted. Seems that this does not work in 4.0.0
17:57:36 <IZBot> News from asklibo: I currently have Open Office do I need to delete it to load Libre or can I load Libre and then get rid of Open Office
18:24:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60957] FILEOPEN particular .docx shows user text field wrongly repeated many times
18:39:00 <jorendc> hi ertai_NL; sorry to call your country Holland
18:39:03 <jorendc> :-) didn't know thtat
18:39:05 <jorendc> that*
18:40:27 <ertai_NL> :)
18:43:40 <jorendc> :)
18:55:39 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60960] EDITING: CRASH when copy chart what is related to empty cells || [Bug 60945] FILESAVE launches 'Open' dialog
18:56:24 <ohallot> jorendc: Hi
18:56:35 <jorendc> hi olivier ohallot :)
18:56:59 <jorendc> ohallot: how are you,
18:57:07 <ohallot> Fine. I am chasing a possible bug, on writer tables
18:57:37 <jorendc> ohallot: nice (that you're chasing, not nice that there is a bug :) )
18:57:45 <ohallot> in the past, ctrl+shit+del on the last cell of a writer table deletes the following paragraph.
18:57:47 <jorendc> ohallot: I can help?
18:58:09 <ohallot> this nice feture seems to have vanished
18:58:28 <jorendc> mmh; you have a bug report
18:58:35 <ohallot> so there is no way to reove a paragraph following a table
18:58:37 <jorendc> (I didn't know that feature, so I'm not familiar with it :) )
18:58:39 <ohallot> remove
18:59:34 <jorendc> so when you would like to delete a whole paragraph when your cursor was in the last cell of a table; you just can hit that shortcut-combination
18:59:46 <jorendc> and the whole paragraph after the table will be deleted?
19:00:45 <jorendc> ohallot: ^
19:01:05 <ohallot> yes
19:01:25 <jorendc> ohallot: ok; I indeed can reproduce this doesn't work in latest master
19:01:38 <ohallot> mucha as Alt+Enter inserts a paragraph at the beguining of the table if in the 1st cell
19:01:50 <jorendc> which version the last working version?
19:01:58 <ohallot> 4.0.0.3
19:02:27 <jorendc> release candidate?
19:02:43 <jorendc> because this feature doesn't work in 4.0.0.3 release here
19:02:51 <ohallot> no... final release
19:02:57 <jorendc> strange
19:03:04 <jorendc> mmh, lets bibisect that one
19:03:20 <ohallot> Versão 4.0.0.3 (ID da versão: 7545bee9c2a0782548772a21bc84a9dcc583b89)
19:04:55 <jorendc> ohallot: a moment; I'm trying to reproduce a blocker-bug
19:05:04 <jorendc> (dev channel :p)
19:10:49 <ohallot> jorendc: well the key shortcut works on 3.5
19:11:08 <jorendc> ohallot: ok :)
19:19:10 <jorendc> ohallot: sorry, I'm still working on a blocker right now
19:19:26 <jorendc> ohallot: I'll bibisect that behavior with the table immediatly after that
19:19:33 <jorendc> (bug is fdo#60945 btw)
19:19:37 <IZBot> LibreOffice-UI blocker/medium NEW FILESAVE launches 'Open' dialog https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60945
19:21:29 <ohallot> ok
19:25:58 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60961] Open file not with the menu, when LibreOffice already running: uses whole time and memory as not running LibreOffice || [Bug 60962] EDITING: Copy (OLE) object sets "document changed" flag
19:29:58 <IZBot> News from asklibo: In Calc after each save the subtitle is added to the charts. How to avoid it?
19:32:48 <jorendc> ohallot: bibisecting :)
19:53:00 <jorendc> ohallot: you already create a bug report?
19:53:15 <ohallot> jorendc: not yet
19:53:33 <jorendc> ohallot: ok, can you please file one :)?
19:53:39 <jorendc> ohallot: I'll add bibisect report to it
19:53:47 <ohallot> jorendc: will do right now
19:53:55 <jorendc> ohallot: thanks
19:57:30 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60964] Recalculation on load: Behavior problematic to certain sheets
20:03:29 <jorendc> ohallot: -> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=af4b6c94c68b5f67b931cde8d0acda6ec8b288bb
20:03:30 <IZBot> core - rhbz#689053: fix crash following delete at last table cell:
20:03:40 <jorendc> ohallot: ... that introduced the bug (almost 99% sure :) )
20:05:59 <ohallot> jorendc: fdo#60967
20:06:02 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium UNCONFIRMED EDITING: Table shortcut Ctrl+Shift+Del ineffective, thus cannot delete following paragraph of a table https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60967
20:06:26 <jorendc> thanks ohallot
20:15:01 <jorendc> ohallot: see bug report :-). Thanks for reporting and chasing:D
20:20:33 <ohallot> jorendc: Thanks indeed.
20:27:55 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60966] Problem FontWork || [Bug 60968] EDITING: Writer - FontWork || [Bug 60967] EDITING: Table shortcut Ctrl+Shift+Del ineffective cannot delete following paragraph of a table
20:30:40 <IZBot> News from asklibo: LibreOffice Footnote Problem mac
20:42:08 <ertai_NL> somebody here who speaks good French?
20:50:01 <jorendc> ertai_NL: not that good, why?
20:50:23 <ertai_NL> could I forward a mail to you to see if google translated it correctly?
20:50:41 <jorendc> sure
20:55:01 <ertai_NL> argh.. my mailclient fails
20:56:36 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I received your email, but there are some broken characters in it :p
20:56:43 <ertai_NL> the problem with translating to a language you don't understand yourself.. you can't read what the product is telling you
20:56:51 <jorendc> ertai_NL: lol :p
20:56:52 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes.. spammed you twice for that
20:57:13 <ertai_NL> jorendc: at my work I'm translating something to chinese.. that's even harder then french
20:57:27 <jorendc> ertai_NL: lol chinese ... that sounds like Chinese to me
20:57:28 <jorendc> :')
20:58:20 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60970] Formula treated as space in grammar check || [Bug 60971] x-axis formatting in Calc
20:58:27 <ertai_NL> yes.. that's a commen joke in that project
20:59:04 <ertai_NL> s/commen/common
20:59:55 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I think: Can triage quelqu'un pour nous? isn't a good sentence :)
21:00:34 <ertai_NL> google said that..
21:00:47 * ertai_NL is innocent
21:00:51 <IZBot> News from asklibo: how to download video from youtube to LO impress || How to end autoformat bold and underline?
21:00:52 <jorendc> ertai_NL: Il ya quelqu'un qui se triage sa bug?
21:00:55 <jorendc> ertai_NL: or something like that
21:01:40 <ertai_NL> ok
21:01:44 <ertai_NL> replaced
21:01:54 <jorendc> ertai_NL: but I'm asking a French friend of mine right now :)
21:01:56 <jorendc> ertai_NL: a moment
21:03:20 <jorendc> ertai_NL: mmh, doesn't answer right now. I'm still doubting about the 'qui se triage sa bug'
21:03:40 <ertai_NL> I'll mail the QA-list later.. for now it is ok
21:03:56 <jorendc> 'Il ya quelgu'un que se traiger' is maybe a bit better; not that sure
21:04:10 <jorendc> but it's understandable ;-)
21:04:13 <ertai_NL> I'll mail it this way..
21:16:08 <jorendc> sure
21:28:04 <ertai_NL> jorendc: can you try this? (question on #libreOffice)
21:28:06 <ertai_NL> if i open the pulldown menu for the textcolor in the pulldown menu of the "format cells" submenu, my mac switches to a different desktop
21:28:36 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60972] Font Name box too narrow, no apparent way to re-size it || [Bug 60973] Recalculation on load: "Prompt user" not working
21:28:52 <jorendc> ertai_NL: sure
21:30:12 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you know which version?
21:31:02 <IZBot> News from asklibo: the application cannot be started. failed to updatefile:///john/.libreoffice/3/user/extensions/bundled/lastsynchronized || crash copying cells between sheets
21:31:11 <ertai_NL> jorendc: asking..
21:31:21 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I see, I joined the chat
21:31:27 <ertai_NL> ok
21:37:20 <jorendc> ertai_NL: is alcides diegene met dat probleem?
21:37:26 <jorendc> want ik ben niet mee vrees ik
21:37:43 <ertai_NL> nee.. alcides heeft een ander probleem
21:37:53 <jorendc> ok; dacht het al :-) was niet zeker
21:38:01 <ertai_NL> grimeton heeft dat mac-probleem.. maar die reageert niet meer
21:38:16 <jorendc> inderdaad :)
21:39:05 <ertai_NL> sorry.. zag het ook laat.. en dacht dat jij misschien kon helpen
21:39:47 <ertai_NL> hmm.. ga ik nu verder met BSA-french of ga ik live-muziek luisteren?
21:41:54 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ga maar eens wat live muziek luisteren :)
21:42:18 <jorendc> ertai_NL: beetje ontspanning kan goed doen
21:43:03 <ertai_NL> dan ga ik zo.. begint rond 11 uur denk ik
21:43:49 <jorendc> ertai_NL: :-) veel plezier
21:56:35 <jorendc> ertai_NL: Quelqu'un peut il "triage" ou traduire ce bug?
21:57:52 <ertai_NL> with the " in there?
21:58:05 <jorendc> ertai_NL: Quelqu'un peut il "triage" ou traduire ce bug pour nous? is another possibility
21:58:22 <jorendc> he doesn't know what triage means, I'm explaining now :-)
21:59:02 <jorendc> een klein momentje; als hij begrijpt wat we bedoelen kunnen we een definitieve vertaling hebben :)
21:59:07 <ertai_NL> I'll post what I've got. and the French community can answer
21:59:13 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60974] Recalculation on load: Please consider this as a per-spreadsheet option (instead of per-application) || [Bug 60976] RFE: Ability to add audio/video review comments, or insert audio/video/image in comments.
21:59:28 <jorendc> ertai_NL: Quelqu'un peut il confirmer lesbug ou le traduire pour nous ?
21:59:36 <jorendc> oops
21:59:44 <jorendc> Quelqu'un peut il confirmer le bug ou le traduire pour nous?
21:59:49 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ^
22:01:05 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Windows Installer (version 3.5.2.2) VS WSearch - NOT AN UPDATE || Canon printer bug ? || spell checker not working v3.5.2
22:08:08 <ertai_NL> jorendc: thnx
22:08:32 <jorendc> ;-) no need to thank me. you can thank arnaud_versini for that :p (dev channel ;-) )
22:14:02 <jorendc> ertai_NL: it's 23:00 :-) ... no need to party :D
22:14:05 <jorendc> ?
22:14:19 <ertai_NL> no.. don't want to go antmore
22:28:46 <arnaud_versini> A french guy is comming :-)
22:29:55 <jorendc> ertai_NL: ^ :p
22:30:06 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60977] Recalculation on load: Usage of cached values conflicting with XVolatliteResults of UNO plugins
22:31:48 <ertai_NL> arnaud_versini: thanks for translating
22:33:00 <arnaud_versini> ertai_NL: No problem, but not so good in grammar and orthographe
22:33:29 <jorendc> moggi: euh ... the same guy from that previous bug report about 'set recalculation default' and all his bla bla bla
22:33:40 <jorendc> moggi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60977 ... I think that's to advanced for us to comprehend
22:33:43 <IZBot> bug 60977: LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium UNCONFIRMED Recalculation on load: Usage of cached values conflicting with XVolatliteResults of UNO plugins
22:33:59 <jorendc> moggi: something about XVolatileResults and UNO etc
22:34:12 <moggi> jorendc: just stay out of the discussion, I will have my fun with him
22:34:31 <jorendc> moggi: sure :-)... I can't discuss on things I don't know ... so no problem ;-)
22:34:39 <jorendc> moggi: have a nice time *evil laugh*
22:34:45 <jorendc> moggi: and thanks for looking at those
22:49:48 <colonelqubit> jorendc: poke
22:49:56 <jorendc> hi colonelqubit :D!
22:50:03 <colonelqubit> hey
22:50:06 <jorendc> how are you?
22:50:09 <colonelqubit> good
22:50:20 <colonelqubit> chewing through backlog on the Ask site, like always
22:50:41 <colonelqubit> did you read the couple of emails I sent (well, cc'd) to the qa-list?
22:51:22 <jorendc> with the conversation with Tom?
22:51:25 <colonelqubit> interested to see what the qa team thought about those docs
22:51:29 <colonelqubit> yep
22:52:00 * jorendc reading them again; didn't read them that well
22:52:19 <colonelqubit> tl;dr - There was some note there to de-geek them
22:52:32 <colonelqubit> raised question of how geeky/involved they should be
22:52:56 <jorendc> I agree with that
22:52:57 <ertai_NL> arnaud_versini: do French translate Windows/Linux/MacOs?
22:53:01 <colonelqubit> I suggested some small set of docs on the wiki written at a beginner-level
22:53:18 <colonelqubit> and clearly marked (w/background color, a header, or etc..)
22:53:31 <jorendc> but I also agree with Sophie (I'm not sure she raised that)
22:53:33 <arnaud_versini> ertai_NL: No, for Windows you can tell Fenêtre but nobody will understand :-)
22:53:45 <jorendc> arnaud_versini: looool :D
22:54:11 <colonelqubit> which is where we get the term 'defenestration' in english
22:54:23 <jorendc> colonelqubit: when you de-geek them, some information or information will lost for things we use
22:54:44 <colonelqubit> right. that's why I suggested that we have a small set of beginner-level stuff. Safe for people to use
22:54:50 <colonelqubit> the rest of the wiki can be like the wild west..
22:55:08 <jorendc> colonelqubit: hehe :)
22:55:27 * colonelqubit pins a star on jorendc's chest
22:55:39 <jorendc> colonelqubit: "I understand your point on simplifying the language for the user, but we
22:55:39 <jorendc> also want contributors. For that we need to simplify the entries, but
22:55:40 <jorendc> also to educate them to our vocabulary, the roles in the community and
22:55:40 <jorendc> the workflows."
22:55:49 <jorendc> I totaly agree to that (quote of Sophie)
22:55:53 <colonelqubit> yep
22:55:55 <arnaud_versini> The worst is the French Academy wich want to translate a lot of words
22:56:05 <jorendc> but I also agree with the fact there should be some beginner level guides/information
22:56:25 <colonelqubit> For beginner guides to work, we'd really want cooperation across all teams
22:56:48 <colonelqubit> that seems to be difficult, sometimes
22:56:52 * colonelqubit is trying to be diplomatic here
22:56:55 <jorendc> yes, we need the documentation team and marketing team to work on this
22:57:16 <jorendc> (in combination with us, the QA team)
22:57:30 <jorendc> summary: we need you colonelqubit for managing this (a)
22:57:42 * colonelqubit only gets to manage one character?
22:58:07 <colonelqubit> oh well, it is a vowel. very useful...
22:58:14 <jorendc> colonelqubit: what do you mean with 'manage one character' :p?
22:58:40 <colonelqubit> you said that the team needs me for "managing this (a)"
22:58:53 <colonelqubit> I figured I was supposed to manage whatever was in the parens...
22:59:11 <colonelqubit> :P
23:00:39 <colonelqubit> anyhow, yes, I'd be happy to help coordinate something like beginner docs. I just seem to volunteer myself for lots of stuff!
23:00:51 <ertai_NL> who added a component..
23:00:56 <ertai_NL> :'(
23:01:15 <arnaud_versini> ertai_NL: Component -> Composant :-)
23:01:23 * colonelqubit didn't do it!
23:01:44 <ertai_NL> that breaks my test-build for the frensh bsa..
23:02:24 <jorendc> ertai_NL: you mean the 'impress remote' component?
23:02:31 <ertai_NL> also the normal BSA BTW..
23:02:38 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes
23:02:46 * colonelqubit likes the spelling of frensh :-)
23:02:59 <jorendc> ertai_NL: mmh ... :s you can fix it easily or not :o?
23:02:59 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: Why ?
23:03:38 <ertai_NL> jorendc: the current BSA works.. but you can't update it anymore
23:03:44 <colonelqubit> arnaud_versini: because it's closer to how the word sounds
23:03:49 <jorendc> ertai_NL: :s that's a pity
23:04:23 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: So H is a problem for you in french :-)
23:06:18 <colonelqubit> oh, I just am interested in how people spell things
23:06:49 <colonelqubit> many misspellings are quite bothersome, but some of them just tickle my funnybone
23:06:49 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: H is not really prononced in french in fact
23:07:30 <jorendc> h�al :-) -> pronounced as opital
23:08:01 <colonelqubit> my IRC client must be biased against hats...
23:08:12 <colonelqubit> ..that showed up as h?pital
23:08:13 <jorendc> what I though is funny: a ^ on a vowel is a replacement of 'os'
23:08:25 <jorendc> h�al = hospital in english :-)
23:08:59 <arnaud_versini> jorendc: Did you see the reform of french in 1991 ?
23:09:09 <colonelqubit> oh, is it always "os", or just vowel + s?
23:09:20 <jorendc> arnaud_versini: lol no ... I was born in 1992 :p... so no
23:09:21 <colonelqubit> e.g. etre
23:09:49 <jorendc> colonelqubit: not always, but some are (as far I can remember from French class :p)
23:09:52 <arnaud_versini> colonelqubit: The ^replace the s in some words
23:10:22 <colonelqubit> IIRC, back in OF there used to be....both?
23:12:13 <jorendc> colonelqubit: an English grammar question: if you want to say that there are 'simple end users' as well as core developers in our QA team; is it correct to say 'our qa team is very divergent'?
23:13:22 <arnaud_versini> jorendc: I had some issue with the word cout or coût
23:13:25 <colonelqubit> hmm
23:13:35 <colonelqubit> I'd say "our qa team is very diverse"
23:13:46 <colonelqubit> divergent means "to split apart"
23:13:47 <ertai_NL> anybody knows where I can find the icon of Impress Remote
23:14:10 <jorendc> colonelqubit: ok thanks :D that sounds indeed better
23:14:19 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: oh, are you trying to get icons for the BSA?
23:14:21 <jorendc> ertai_NL: in the icon-theme folder?
23:14:37 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: yes
23:14:44 <ertai_NL> jorendc: where?
23:14:58 * jorendc searching
23:16:15 <jorendc> ertai_NL: found it
23:16:32 <jorendc> core/android/sdremote/bin/res/drawable-hdpi
23:16:36 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I'll send them by email to you
23:16:43 <ertai_NL> thnx
23:17:03 <colonelqubit> not in git online?
23:17:53 <jorendc> ertai_NL: send
23:18:02 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: probably..
23:18:24 <jorendc> that are all images I found, possibly there are some duplicate. I don't know which quality/size you would like to use
23:19:06 <jorendc> arnaud_versini: what do you mean with 'issue'
23:19:18 <jorendc> arnaud_versini: cout and co�ve other meanings?
23:19:42 <jorendc> or you mean co�cost not coost :p?
23:20:56 <jorendc> colonelqubit: how can I say 'simple end users' ... I mean ... users who only create a documents once in a while?
23:21:05 <jorendc> 'not that skilled users'
23:21:16 <colonelqubit> let's see, you've got beginners
23:21:22 <colonelqubit> noobs (try to avoid that one)
23:21:46 <colonelqubit> people who use LibreOffice sporadically or infrequently
23:21:52 <jorendc> colonelqubit: mmh, beginners sound not that good. I'm working on our QA-wiki page
23:22:08 <colonelqubit> context?
23:22:17 <colonelqubit> or are you looking for a general term to use throughout the page?
23:22:23 <jorendc> and I would like to say that our team is very diverse ... from developers to 'simple users'
23:22:31 <colonelqubit> new users?
23:22:52 <jorendc> mmh, that sounds quite good 'new users'
23:22:53 <colonelqubit> oh, the qa team.
23:23:12 <ertai_NL> why is the remote-icon so much different from the other icons..
23:23:17 <jorendc> 'new beginner users'
23:23:24 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: because it's so far away
23:23:31 * colonelqubit runs away
23:23:42 <jorendc> colonelqubit:  loool :')
23:23:56 <colonelqubit> what does the icon look like?
23:24:15 <jorendc> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/RemoteHowTo
23:24:38 <jorendc> colonelqubit: see the icon at screenshot: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/RemoteHowTo#Head_to_your_mobile_device
23:25:20 <colonelqubit> How is that so different from our other icons?
23:25:32 <colonelqubit> oh, does it only come in 3D?
23:26:55 <jorendc> colonelqubit: yes, the 3D effect is quite strange
23:27:37 * colonelqubit needs to get working on the non-code repo stuff
23:28:08 <colonelqubit> if we had the source files in a repo, we could just render-out a flat version for ertai_NL
23:32:11 <IZBot> News from asklibo: Reduce inter space between diagram bars
23:32:42 <colonelqubit> gotta run
23:33:04 <colonelqubit> jorendc: ping me later about the beginner-pages stuff for the wiki. That's definitely something that could be helpful
23:33:18 <jorendc> colonelqubit: sure :-). I'm currently working on our QA page
23:33:38 <jorendc> colonelqubit: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=QA&diff=63405&oldid=63380
23:34:27 <jorendc> is that correct English or can you improve that a bit :)?
23:35:01 <colonelqubit> oh, and let's chat more about the BSA at some point. I think the large number of components can be a hurdle to bug submission, especially for new users (their eyes seem to glaze over a bit :-)
23:35:07 <jorendc> I'm trying to make our QA page a warmer place for beginners ;-)
23:35:43 <jorendc> colonelqubit: agreed
23:36:23 <colonelqubit> Have you guys thought about trying a stripped-down BSA where the user starts with the title/description, and then adds as many of component, version #, OS as they feel comfortable?
23:36:28 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: yes.. the BSA needs a big review..
23:36:58 <ertai_NL> colonelqubit: maybe for the UX-guys to look at?
23:37:14 <colonelqubit> jorendc: "What does QA"...that heading is very confusing
23:37:45 <jorendc> colonelqubit: I didn't write that :p
23:37:47 <jorendc> but I agree
23:37:49 <colonelqubit> I know
23:38:02 <colonelqubit> maybe I should just read the whole thing and throw some suggestions back to you later?
23:38:03 <jorendc> colonelqubit: 'what we do'?
23:38:12 <jorendc> colonelqubit: that'll be fantastic!
23:38:19 <colonelqubit> more "Who does QA?" or "What does the QA team do?"
23:38:55 <colonelqubit> ertai_NL: Any chance of getting some of the UX guys to join us here in the QA channel?
23:39:15 <colonelqubit> the fast back-and-forth can really help get some ideas out on the table
23:39:44 <colonelqubit> "hey, let's get rid of this...sure, I agree...okay, any objections? cool, let's pass it upstairs for a stamp of approval"
23:40:01 * colonelqubit doesn't know who has to approve what :-)
23:41:31 <jorendc> that sounds very useful...
23:41:41 <colonelqubit> jorendc: yeah, just send me an email with the URL of the wiki page and I'll do a little gardening
23:41:52 <jorendc> colonelqubit: thanks :D I'll do it right now
23:42:04 <colonelqubit> okay, gotta run. don't have too much fun without me
23:42:27 <jorendc> colonelqubit: have a nice time!
23:42:29 <jorendc> enjoy :)!
23:42:35 <jorendc> and take it easy
23:49:38 <ertai_NL> can anybody try with IE/Safari to post a bug against the Android Impress Remote component via the BSA?
23:52:09 <jorendc> ertai_NL: sure; I'll try using Safari in Mac osx
23:54:55 <jorendc> ertai_NL: is it correct it uses the 'default' icon for the androix impress remote?
23:55:11 <jorendc> (and not the icon I send you)
23:55:40 <ertai_NL> jorendc: yes.. for now it does
23:56:59 <ertai_NL> I don't like the other icon. It doesn't fit
23:57:07 <jorendc> ertai_NL: I got a message it's succesfully submitted
23:57:16 <ertai_NL> ok.. then I'll commit it
23:57:34 <jorendc> ertai_NL:  fdo#60979
23:57:36 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Android Impress Remote normal/medium UNCONFIRMED general: Test bug remote impress mac osx safari https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60979
00:02:37 <IZBot> News from fdonew: [Bug 60978] general: rere || [Bug 60979] general: Test bug remote impress mac osx safari
00:03:50 <jorendc> mmh ertai_NL ^
00:04:00 <jorendc> general: <bug title>
00:04:13 <jorendc> isn't it supposed to be Remote: <bug title> or something?
00:05:01 <ertai_NL> ah.. yes
00:05:10 <ertai_NL> no it isn't
00:05:24 <ertai_NL> the component is Remote and the sub-component is general
00:05:42 <jorendc> oh ok :)
00:12:56 <ertai_NL> good night!
00:19:27 <arnaud_versini> jorendc: Bonne nuit
00:19:36 <jorendc> arnaud_versini: bonne nuit mon ami :)