======================= #libreoffice-qa Meeting ======================= Meeting started by jmadero at 14:10:02 UTC. The full logs are available at http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org/meetbot/libreoffice-qa/2012/libreoffice-qa.2012-12-14-14.10.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * People Present (jmadero, 14:10:59) * Bjoern, Joel, Petr (jmadero, 14:11:09) * Rob (jmadero, 14:12:33) * BSA Localization (jmadero, 14:12:48) * Translation needed & E-Mail feature (jmadero, 14:13:39) * take string for l10n from the website, no canonical list in source (Sweetshark, 14:13:56) * goal is to have this done before the end of the year (jmadero, 14:14:50) * timeline: hopefully before the end of the year, so should be good for 4.0.0 (Sweetshark, 14:14:51) * ACTION: Bjoern e-mail contact in French community to get a translation done (jmadero, 14:15:53) * ACTION: give infra guys a shot over the bow about the BSA changes (Sweetshark, 14:18:17) * BSA regression issues (jmadero, 14:19:44) * regression checks already implemented (Sweetshark, 14:20:21) * should fix 90% of the false positives (Sweetshark, 14:20:39) * other BSA improvements pending UX input (Sweetshark, 14:22:18) * BSA Version in Comments (jmadero, 14:24:47) * Rob said that this wouldn't be hard at all but we still have to decide what to do with version field (jmadero, 14:25:08) * ACTION: Rob make version go into comments when reported from BSA (jmadero, 14:25:21) * Old Bugs (Greater Than 6 Months Old) (jmadero, 14:27:31) * OpenID Alternatives and other Alternatives (jmadero, 14:27:53) * not sure right now about status, ongoing (jmadero, 14:28:39) * Bugzilla Contract Items (jmadero, 14:28:50) * most active bug wranglers, etc... do these before the OpenID stuff (jmadero, 14:29:56) * Twitter Feed for FDO (Marketing) (jmadero, 14:30:20) * ACTION: Bjoern find rss feed for twitter feed (jmadero, 14:30:49) * realistic goals (jmadero, 14:31:05) * punt until after release of 4 (jmadero, 14:31:12) * hard hacks (jmadero, 14:31:15) * no new items (jmadero, 14:31:27) * contest for triaging (jmadero, 14:31:38) * board hasn't made an explicit vote on this but shouldn't be a problem at all (jmadero, 14:31:58) * sending out the items can be difficult, expensive to mail (jmadero, 14:32:15) * funding wish list (jmadero, 14:32:28) * board agreed that we should make a funding wish list so that it's easier to plan and budget (jmadero, 14:32:53) * AGREED: make regular funding wish list (jmadero, 14:33:18) * prize of a netbook is a possibility, but shipping is still an issue (jmadero, 14:33:43) * possibility of a shipping budget (jmadero, 14:35:24) * for people in Europe, hackfest could be good exchange location (jmadero, 14:36:01) * ACTION: find a solution for shipping items worldwide (jmadero, 14:36:29) * test week marathon (jmadero, 14:36:48) * priority for more experienced triagers (jmadero, 14:38:29) * bibisect, and playing around with beta 1 (jmadero, 14:39:28) * priority for less experienced users - try to verify bugs and verify fixes (jmadero, 14:39:39) * experienced triagers - helping newcomers, if no one is around to teach/mentor then move on to bibisect & finding new bugs (jmadero, 14:40:45) * newcomers - direct to a page that has new features to test (jmadero, 14:41:10) * ACTION: Joel will make a list of new features that are easy to read for testing purposes (jmadero, 14:42:54) * WFM Status (jmadero, 14:43:58) * AGREED: if one triager matches platform and has the same or a newer version, closing as WFM with a comment asking reporter to reopen if it's still an issue for them (jmadero, 14:46:13) * AGREED: needinfo status should be used liberally also, especially for newer bugs that can't be reproduced (jmadero, 14:51:31) * AGREED: WFM can be used more liberally if triager is using a newer version than the reporter reported (jmadero, 14:54:11) * BSA - Reproducible Steps Lacking (jmadero, 14:56:21) * AGREED: put in NEEDINFO (jmadero, 14:56:26) * bibisect for version 4 (jmadero, 15:00:45) * good and ready to go (jmadero, 15:01:12) * slow download speeds (jmadero, 15:01:51) * ACTION: look into mirrors for bibisect (jmadero, 15:01:57) * ACTION: Joel will look into torrenting bibisect (jmadero, 15:02:10) * Crash Reporting (Auto Report) (jmadero, 15:03:52) * very hard infrastructure wise & legal wise (jmadero, 15:04:09) * https://errors.ubuntu.com/ (Sweetshark, 15:04:28) * symbols also missing, so a lot would be needed to enable it (too much developer time) (jmadero, 15:06:52) * AGREED: Too much involved to implement this ourselves, Linux has similar systems already, on Windows would be very difficult and cause legal problems (jmadero, 15:07:08) * IRC Lightning Talks for Test Marathon (jmadero, 15:08:10) * stuff for newcomers to talk about (jmadero, 15:08:31) * verify bugs, verify fixes, etc... (jmadero, 15:08:40) * ACTION: ALL come with a few slides for discussions with newcomers (jmadero, 15:09:11) * 10-15 minutes to talk on IRC (jmadero, 15:09:31) * Windows Parallel Install (jmadero, 15:10:26) * Florian has already made this for Windows (jmadero, 15:11:49) * on Ubuntu - bibisect version is a possibility because it doesn't touch stable version (jmadero, 15:12:14) * no clear answer for Linux platform as a whole (jmadero, 15:12:27) * on Suse, installing upstream and another version from LibreOffice (such as Beta) work perfectly, unsure about on Ubuntu (jmadero, 15:15:30) * ACTION: Joel -- add a note on Wiki about parallel installs (jmadero, 15:17:30) * IDEA: for next release possibility of making virtual box release (jmadero, 15:18:30) * Version on FDO (jmadero, 15:19:55) * counter-intuitive to do what we're doing now, but might be only useful information (jmadero, 15:20:40) * if the bug is still open we can assume it's still on latest release (jmadero, 15:20:53) * really depends on what the developers are looking at - Version, vs Comments vs. Last Modified (jmadero, 15:23:47) * AGREED: before any change in policy we need more discussion between users, developers and QA (jmadero, 15:26:55) * FDO contract has something about Version - if someone updates Version to newer release, they get a message about this (jmadero, 15:28:16) * AGREED: we will discuss this again during IRC meeting (jmadero, 15:28:59) * Next Meeting Date (jmadero, 15:31:18) * AGREED: skip next meeting because of holidays (jmadero, 15:31:31) Meeting ended at 15:31:33 UTC. 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