14:10:02 #startmeeting 14:10:02 Meeting started Fri Dec 14 14:10:02 2012 UTC. The chair is jmadero. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:10:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:10:59 #topic People Present 14:11:09 #info Bjoern, Joel, Petr 14:12:33 #info Rob 14:12:42 #BSA Localization 14:12:48 #topic BSA Localization 14:13:39 #info Translation needed & E-Mail feature 14:13:56 #info take string for l10n from the website, no canonical list in source 14:14:50 #info goal is to have this done before the end of the year 14:14:51 #info timeline: hopefully before the end of the year, so should be good for 4.0.0 14:14:57 ;) 14:15:53 #action Bjoern e-mail contact in French community to get a translation done 14:18:17 #action give infra guys a shot over the bow about the BSA changes 14:19:44 #topic BSA regression issues 14:20:21 #info regression checks already implemented 14:20:39 #info should fix 90% of the false positives 14:22:18 #info other BSA improvements pending UX input 14:24:47 #topic BSA Version in Comments 14:25:08 #info Rob said that this wouldn't be hard at all but we still have to decide what to do with version field 14:25:21 #action Rob make version go into comments when reported from BSA 14:27:31 #topic Old Bugs (Greater Than 6 Months Old) 14:27:35 #punt until we have more time 14:27:53 #topic OpenID Alternatives and other Alternatives 14:28:39 #info not sure right now about status, ongoing 14:28:50 #topic Bugzilla Contract Items 14:29:56 #info most active bug wranglers, etc... do these before the OpenID stuff 14:30:20 #topic Twitter Feed for FDO (Marketing) 14:30:26 #email account is set up 14:30:35 #need a good rss feed to feed that into twitter 14:30:49 #action Bjoern find rss feed for twitter feed 14:31:05 #topic realistic goals 14:31:12 #info punt until after release of 4 14:31:15 #topic hard hacks 14:31:27 #info no new items 14:31:38 #topic contest for triaging 14:31:58 #info board hasn't made an explicit vote on this but shouldn't be a problem at all 14:32:15 #info sending out the items can be difficult, expensive to mail 14:32:28 #topic funding wish list 14:32:53 #info board agreed that we should make a funding wish list so that it's easier to plan and budget 14:33:18 #agreed make regular funding wish list 14:33:43 #info prize of a netbook is a possibility, but shipping is still an issue 14:35:24 #info possibility of a shipping budget 14:36:01 #info for people in Europe, hackfest could be good exchange location 14:36:29 #action find a solution for shipping items worldwide 14:36:48 #topic test week marathon 14:38:29 #info priority for more experienced triagers 14:39:28 #info bibisect, and playing around with beta 1 14:39:39 #info priority for less experienced users - try to verify bugs and verify fixes 14:40:45 #info experienced triagers - helping newcomers, if no one is around to teach/mentor then move on to bibisect & finding new bugs 14:41:10 #info newcomers - direct to a page that has new features to test 14:42:54 #action Joel will make a list of new features that are easy to read for testing purposes 14:43:58 #topic WFM Status 14:46:13 #agreed if one triager matches platform and has the same or a newer version, closing as WFM with a comment asking reporter to reopen if it's still an issue for them 14:51:31 #agreed needinfo status should be used liberally also, especially for newer bugs that can't be reproduced 14:54:11 #agreed WFM can be used more liberally if triager is using a newer version than the reporter reported 14:56:21 #topic BSA - Reproducible Steps Lacking 14:56:26 #agree put in NEEDINFO 15:00:45 #topic bibisect for version 4 15:01:12 #info good and ready to go 15:01:51 #info slow download speeds 15:01:57 #action look into mirrors for bibisect 15:02:10 #action Joel will look into torrenting bibisect 15:03:52 #topic Crash Reporting (Auto Report) 15:04:09 #info very hard infrastructure wise & legal wise 15:04:28 #info https://errors.ubuntu.com/ 15:06:52 #info symbols also missing, so a lot would be needed to enable it (too much developer time) 15:07:08 #agreed Too much involved to implement this ourselves, Linux has similar systems already, on Windows would be very difficult and cause legal problems 15:08:10 #topic IRC Lightning Talks for Test Marathon 15:08:31 #info stuff for newcomers to talk about 15:08:40 #info verify bugs, verify fixes, etc... 15:09:11 #action ALL come with a few slides for discussions with newcomers 15:09:31 #info 10-15 minutes to talk on IRC 15:10:26 #topic Windows Parallel Install 15:11:49 #info Florian has already made this for Windows 15:11:50 15:12:14 #info on Ubuntu - bibisect version is a possibility because it doesn't touch stable version 15:12:27 #info no clear answer for Linux platform as a whole 15:15:30 #info on Suse, installing upstream and another version from LibreOffice (such as Beta) work perfectly, unsure about on Ubuntu 15:17:30 #action Joel -- add a note on Wiki about parallel installs 15:18:30 #idea for next release possibility of making virtual box release 15:19:55 #topic Version on FDO 15:20:40 #info counter-intuitive to do what we're doing now, but might be only useful information 15:20:53 #info if the bug is still open we can assume it's still on latest release 15:23:47 #info really depends on what the developers are looking at - Version, vs Comments vs. Last Modified 15:26:55 #agreed before any change in policy we need more discussion between users, developers and QA 15:28:16 #info FDO contract has something about Version - if someone updates Version to newer release, they get a message about this 15:28:59 #agreed we will discuss this again during IRC meeting 15:31:10 Hi all 15:31:18 #topic Next Meeting Date 15:31:31 #agreed skip next meeting because of holidays 15:31:33 #endmeeting