15:12:52 #startmeeting 15:12:52 Meeting started Thu Jan 24 15:12:52 2013 UTC. The chair is Sweetshark. Plugin info at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:12:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:12:52 #meetingtopic ESC call 2013-01-24 15:12:52 if you are in the ESC call please mark yourself like this: 15:12:52 #nick Sweetshark 15:12:52 attacking character is not okay here 15:13:06 _rene_: and if I don't know what's doxygen is ? 15:13:12 <_rene_> does it matter? 15:13:13 #nick schoinobates 15:13:17 #nick jmadero 15:13:18 <_rene_> no, it doesn't. 15:13:19 #nick thorsten 15:13:20 #nick shm_get 15:13:21 #nick moggi 15:13:24 #nick sberg 15:13:35 _rene_: if that'll result in a bad bibisect !I! am wasting my time 15:13:37 kohei_: true 15:13:53 <_rene_> jorendc: you want a *build*. yopu need to build it. in whatever way. 15:14:00 #topic Last-time Action Items 15:14:02 #nick timar 15:14:07 <_rene_> jorendc: and hell, if you don't know what doxygen is there's aunt google 15:14:19 _rene_: I need a good build, not a build I guess is good 15:14:23 #nick mst__ 15:14:41 _rene_: yes, and I know that'll affect my bibisect? 15:14:46 <_rene_> and how does *documentation* matter in there? 15:14:47 _rene_: again, why can't you just answer civilly, volunteers, new developers, etc....you just push people away when you speak this way 15:14:48 #action find person who can write and add off-line help for impress-remote (Thorsten) 15:15:04 #nick astron 15:15:19 #nick kohei_ 15:15:25 <_rene_> jmadero: because if you are calm to them (and I was in the past) they will stay clueless and not use their brain and ask the complete shit everytime 15:15:27 _rene_: I'm happy for you you know everything and everything you know, others know... if not they are dumb. Ok, have a pretty live than ... but I don't like that attitude. Good for you 15:15:33 #info in progress: get tshirts / hoodies printed (kendy) 15:15:46 jorendc: best to just ignore his responses 15:15:51 #action create/request mail alias for certification (Bjoern) 15:15:58 jmadero: I will, NOW I'm wasting my time 15:16:00 <_rene_> jorendc: I don't like the "I try a build but I don't read and know what X is and I don't even think or ask google" attitude 15:16:02 #action inprogress: Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern) 15:16:29 #action Update gsoc ideas page before FOSDEM 15:16:51 #link https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas (all) 15:16:56 caolan: if I change a symbol in a help file, it should link to something new yes? 15:17:21 Sweetshark: prolly nice to repeat the 'register your nick' a few times for the late-comers 15:17:22 #action in progress: Investigate native build/env scripts for SDK (Bjoern) 15:17:44 #nick tibbylickle 15:18:03 <_rene_> jorendc: it just creates noise 15:18:11 <_rene_> jorendc: and will repeat everytime 15:18:19 sberg: true, i forgot that in this case no gdb will be necessary, which would want the real binary 15:18:28 jmadero: i think seeing your patch might help see what you mean 15:18:55 <_rene_> jorendc: or are you also going to drive a car without knowing how to use it? 15:19:09 jorendc: feel free to disable doxygen, it just affe ts documentation 15:19:18 vmiklos: thanks :) 15:19:23 #info sberg and Sweetshark will look at SDK together 15:19:26 #nick caolan 15:19:27 * cbosdonnat is in the call 15:19:30 #nick erAck 15:19:35 #nick cbosdonnat 15:19:45 #nick pmladek 15:20:06 <_rene_> on a related note, if we use the bot here anyway, can't we make the ESC purely IRC? 15:20:18 #action in progress: completing generic / Linux builds -> RedHat (Caolan) 15:20:25 #topic Pending Action Items 15:20:30 kohei_: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2013/01/remembering-aaron-by-taking-care-of-each-other/ <= I guess you read that already ? 15:20:33 caolan: I just added a help button here http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/dlg/animobjs.src, and the help file is http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/help/source/text/simpress/01/06050000.xhp 15:20:34 <_rene_> that would cause people at work be able to attend without going somewhere to phone... 15:20:36 _rene_: some (including me) still prefer the extra voice line I guess 15:21:03 <_rene_> but just because you are at work and that probably counts for work 15:21:08 caolan: now it's just linking the button in the src to the help file......I don't get why the help stuff has to be so convoluted 15:21:16 <_rene_> I can live with phone line, too, as long as it's not during work hours ;)= 15:21:24 _rene_: +1, "but" sometimes we want things not logged / not written 15:21:32 <_rene_> vi? ;) 15:22:09 bubli, just read that this morning, hence my earlier comment. 15:22:58 #info completed: decision on whether to switch back to old floppy save (Astron) 15:22:59 <_rene_> and I'd bet that meetbot has a option to disable logging and reenable it 15:23:20 <_rene_> (and be it disable/enable it ;)) 15:23:31 #action regression catching on tinderbox, Figure out time-out issues (Markus) 15:23:48 #info completed: FOSDEM: misc. new interop. feature and their development, Markus will write to Italo to add Eilidh's talk (Markus) 15:23:56 _rene_: so having mixed irc / phone is at least better for you than phone-only? 15:23:59 https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/track/libreoffice/ 15:24:15 <_rene_> thorsten: only if everything spoken is copied here, otherwise it gets messy. 15:24:21 #action Presenter console patches 4-0 backport (Michael M) 15:24:24 <_rene_> thorsten: at which time you could just go to irc directly only 15:24:24 jmadero: if you just add a HelpButton with no HelpId then the helpbutton should go up the tree on its own and ask for CMD_SID_ANIMATION_OBJECTS which is ".uno:AnimationObjects" , hmph should "just work" 15:24:32 jmadero: where do I find the dialog in the UI ? 15:25:05 shm_get: or is it? ;) 15:25:12 caolan: what dialog? 15:25:13 #info completed: come up with / improve the existing concrete funding request for build hardware => board budget (Thorsten) 15:25:32 #action STLPort removal - release-note: Document dropping the DLL and the VS run-time on the system in the release-notes (Fridrich) 15:25:56 how do I see if a specific module is gbuild or "old build system"? 15:26:06 jmadero: where's the "thing" that you added the helpbutton to ? 15:26:08 #action full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517 pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S 15:26:11 bug 46517: LibreOffice-Libreoffice normal/medium REOPENED Subscript/superscript shortcuts apply style to whole word instead of only characters written after use of shortcut 15:26:12 thorsten ??? 15:26:20 #action create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M) 15:26:25 shm_get: funding whishlist request for hw 15:26:30 Sweetshark: itis part of releasae notes 15:26:48 caolan: insert-animation in Presentation 15:26:55 caolan: insert - animated image 15:27:00 schoinobates: /prj/build.lst will look markedly different 15:27:28 thorsten well, what we discussed is good enough for now I recon... 15:27:30 <_rene_> Fridrich: maybe link to the past posts (espeially yours 1 year ago) to show more explicitely that they had 1 year to adapt and they don't need to cpmplain? 15:27:35 #action in progress: investigate re-using Win32 binary signing for Mac (Thorsten) 15:27:38 schoinobates, gbuild one has Module_.mk 15:28:22 shm_get: ok, will mail it out then 15:28:26 <_rene_> and that said, are we also mentioning the "merged-into-core" extensions in the release notes? 15:28:34 #https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58699 15:28:37 bug 58699: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high NEW Impress remote doesn't close 15:28:41 #action on-line help for impress-remote would be useful, help appreciated 15:28:44 matus: OK, so mysqlc is still "old build system". Thanks 15:28:53 #link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58699 15:28:54 <_rene_> I think pdfimport stayed an own package, but I think presenter-console "disappeared" 15:28:55 bug 58699: LibreOffice-Presentation critical/high NEW Impress remote doesn't close 15:29:59 #action add off-line help and it'll appear on-line (kendy) 15:29:59 #info might be better next week with new stuff by floeff 15:30:03 #action minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern) 15:30:06 #action disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M) 15:30:13 #action tweak the configure defaults, no submodules by default, no gnome-vfs (Kendy) 15:30:22 #topic Release Engineering update (Petr) 15:33:05 #info 4.0.0 rc ready and pushed to mirror 15:33:06 #info Jan 28 rc3 date, triple review, lets be careful 15:33:06 #info any known issues? 15:33:06 #info android remote to 4.0.0 or 4.0 branch (Thorsten) 15:33:23 Sweetshark: what new stuff? ;) 15:33:38 floeff: shhh, ESC call 15:33:42 ;) 15:33:48 sorry, i'm a noob :) 15:34:38 floeff: if you're a noob, I'm not sure what I am.... 15:34:41 LibreOffice (core) [libreoffice-4-0-0] markus.mohrhard * sc/source/ui/docshell/docsh.cxx: reset automatic row height flag after import, fdo#59193 15:34:43 #agreed android to 4.0 branch, not 4.0.0 -- more relaxed reviews 15:34:45 LibreOffice-Spreadsheet normal/medium ASSIGNED automatic row height does not work after import https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59193 15:34:53 jmadero: :) 15:35:00 well, surely i'm no dev 15:35:27 floeff: I just pretend to know anything, even my pretending makes it clear I don't ;) 15:36:01 #info template manager remote repos moved to experimental features ( schoinobates ) 15:36:12 by the way thanks for getting php working correctly, we're excited to get the French BSA test up and running 15:36:15 in my heart this is a blocker: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/1846 15:36:43 Sweetshark: what does "template manager" repos" have to do with me? 15:36:46 kohei_: I agree 15:37:06 #info 3.6.5 rc2 will go final next week if there are no issues. if you know about regressions speak up now 15:37:31 #topic UX Update (Astron) 15:37:39 #info template manager progress 15:38:10 thorsten: shot you an email, BSA won't update for me 15:38:17 eh 15:38:33 #info restore menu entries? no, we shouldnt at all (Astron) 15:39:03 #link https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/1787 15:40:02 jmadero: hmm, pressing F1 there doesn't work (which it should) seems like the toplevel window is missing the helpid that it clearly there in the .src 15:40:41 #info (Thorsten) has string changes, might cause trouble/extra work 15:41:15 #info Andras: also not happty about string changes 15:41:49 LibreOffice (core) serval2412 * drawinglayer/source/primitive2d/metafileprimitive2d.cxx: Resolves: fdo#49784 CRASH when FILEOPEN particular doc containing .svm 15:41:52 LibreOffice-Libreoffice major/medium NEW CRASH when FILEOPEN particular document containing .svm pictures https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49784 15:42:19 caolan: hm, I'm looking for the test case that I was modeling my patch after, I didn't see that it was looking at helpid from above, it was pulling from below which was strange 15:42:22 looking 15:42:49 #accept reject patch for now/postpone the patch 15:43:46 #info personas punted, kendy not in the call -- some issue need to be disccussed 15:44:30 caolan: http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sd/source/ui/dlg/present.src, http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/help/source/text/simpress/01/06100000.xhp 15:44:56 caolan: that is for presentation, "Slide Show - Custom Slide Show..." 15:45:33 caolan: when you click the help you see that it's using sd:ListBox:DLG_CUSTOMSHOW:LB_CUSTOMSHOWS, but that comes below the button code in the src 15:45:57 #info Ubuntu font excluded so far on licensing ground, forbid renaming is a blocker/problem 15:46:01 # http://font.ubuntu.com/ufl/ 15:46:17 hmm, something unsets the helpid on the toplevel dialog, let me debug that 15:46:18 #action clarify at Canonical (Bjoern) 15:47:28 vmiklos: sorry to disturb you again; but my 'make dev-install' keeps failing on /home/joren/core/Module_tail_build.mk:27: /home/joren/core//dictionaries/Module_dictionaries.mk: No such file or directory 15:47:29 <_rene_> why on earth should we include the font? 15:47:30 #info not available on most distros because of legal review 15:47:34 caolan: appreciate it, frustrating that everything is there and just a link isn't working 15:47:53 vmiklos: I found http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg43715.html ... mailinglist with same error description 15:47:54 <_rene_> are we going to include any random font of a random (unfortunately popular) distro? 15:48:22 #topic FOSDEM Update (Markus) 15:48:33 #link https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2013Stand 15:48:45 * _rene_ is not going to ship it either way. and that would be bad, as that also would mean that would need to opoerate templates using it out 15:48:49 vmiklos: I already git bisect skip 10 times or so :p (and make tail_build.clean), but didn't help 15:49:49 #info bring hardware to FOSDEM! 15:50:13 sfx2/source/dialog/dockwin.cxx:919 hmm, SetHelpId("") 15:50:20 <_rene_> Monday?! 15:50:34 #info poke Thorsten for that. 15:50:47 #topic Features 15:50:51 #info please update: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 15:51:01 missing Mac / full-screen bits (Tor) 15:51:23 <_rene_> thorsten: as we see, doing irc/phone doesn't really work well :( 15:51:24 WindowsUser: ^^ - was there any update? 15:51:35 #topic 4.0 pending tasks 15:51:39 #info MySQL connector compat issues 15:52:18 _rene_: hmm, monday? missing context :) 15:52:38 #info comments on the bugs: recompile against 4.0 for stlport drop 15:52:40 <_rene_> thorsten: wiki has a column "Monday" :-) 15:53:13 _rene_: ah. well, that's people leaving monday instead of sunday, so we can crash into a bar sunday night ;) 15:53:49 caolan: so, it looks to me like it's something missing in the Insert Animated Image...help file, when you compare that to the Custom Slide Show ...it looks like there is a lot going on 15:54:24 jorendc: i build with --without-myspell-dicts and --without-help when bisecting 15:54:24 caolan: so for my test I changed the Custom Slide Show help file, I chnaged sd:ListBox:DLG_CUSTOMSHOW:LB_CUSTOMSHOWS to another help file, did a make and a make dev-install 15:54:38 but nothing changed, it still linked to sd:ListBox:DLG_CUSTOMSHOW:LB_CUSTOMSHOWS 15:54:57 #info who releases, publishes that? TDF would host. if someone would build? Thorsten: maybe not even then, needs further resaerch. 15:55:46 #info FLOSS license exception from MySQL homepage (mst) 15:56:53 #action Thorsten looking into the MySQL stuff 15:57:03 #info binfilter: warn on legacy file-types with helpful dialog (no owner) 15:57:55 #info drop Mozilla mess in the tree: lots of cleanup in configure 15:57:55 #link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56902 15:57:57 bug 56902: LibreOffice-Database enhancement/medium NEW Kill off in-tree (ancient) mozilla copy 15:59:15 #info we need Outlook/O Express drivers for windows to completely drop it. 15:59:23 #info Unix / LDAP addressbook support disappeared, close that wontfix & release-note it ? 15:59:26 #link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57417 15:59:28 bug 57417: LibreOffice-Database major/medium NEW LDAP address book support disappeared 16:00:15 thorsten: I add a 'close' button to the 'findbar', and placed the button in icon-theme folder 'galaxy' because every other theme will just cover the galaxy-theme... that worked perfect at linux, but now I have latest master installed on mac osx ... no button but only the text 'exit search' 16:01:01 thorsten: any thought's why it doesn't accept the icon in the galaxy theme? (or is that galaxy-thing Linux-only?) 16:01:07 #info no major distro uses that 16:01:57 for all the ones here who write Micro$oft: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zfFuqyAzxO8/UP9E8-ZPt6I/AAAAAAACUMo/2ABfeM9h8_0/s604/downgradetowindows7.jpg 16:01:58 #info evolution2 enabled in the upstream TDF build 16:02:09 jorendc: no immediate clue, sorry 16:02:12 #info OSX state unknown 16:02:22 thorsten: ok, no problem :-) thanks 16:02:44 #topic Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel) 16:02:45 #info devs to to build code-pointers or clear proposed easy-hack for these: 16:02:48 #link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice 16:03:38 #info make them real EAsyHacks or unpropose them 16:03:49 #topic HardHacks (Joel) 16:03:49 #link http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks 16:03:49 #info mostly suspended until post 4.0 release. 16:04:09 #info on hold 16:04:16 #topic google play account created 16:04:16 #info who wants access? 16:05:04 #info thorsten raises hand for impress remote 16:05:28 #topic QA update (Joel) 16:05:28 #info REOPENED vs. UNCONFIRMED discussion 16:07:02 #info discussion needs to be reopened 16:07:15 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=205374&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&produc 16:07:16 #info current consensus doesnt work too well 16:07:40 #info please look at these: 16:07:49 #link https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=205374&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&produc 16:07:56 jmadero: gimme a little while to build my potential fix 16:08:03 vmiklos: I think I just can't do a bibisect for that :s. It keeps giving dictionaries.mk errors :p 16:08:23 I saw I'm not the only one http://pastebin.com/SM5GraWe 16:08:36 #info we can now "ban" abusive users on fdo 16:08:43 #info hope we never need it 16:08:45 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FreeDesktop_Rules_Procedures 16:08:45 exactly the same, without help, without myspell stuff and without doxygen 16:09:58 LibreOffice (core) p.weissenbacher * sc/source/core/data/ (cell.cxx cell2.cxx): Translate German comments, fix some ws 16:10:10 jorendc: disable building the dictionaries ? --without-myspell-dicts 16:10:19 enabling remote repos in template manager only in experimental mode is in gerrit for review: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/1847/ 16:10:37 caolan: ./autogen.sh --without-myspell-dics --without-help --without-doxygen 16:10:47 caolan: so yes I did 16:11:22 hmph 16:12:13 #topic poll for libreoffice conference 16:12:32 #action all member: do your duty and vote! 16:12:56 <_rene_> did the Montreal guys answer (I don't know who asked it) about a BIG budget for travel sponsorhip? 16:13:37 #topic GSOC updates 16:13:49 Your LibreOffice 2013 Conference Location Poll Voting Token 16:13:52 #action update your GSoC stuff 16:14:08 #endmeeting