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15:01:13 <x1sc0> Hello everyone
15:01:47 <x1sc0> #topic rollcall
15:01:53 <x1sc0> anyone around for the meeting
15:01:58 <djredaux> Here
15:02:07 <buovjaga> yes
15:02:38 <x1sc0> I'm sorry it was shifted but I was travelling last 2 weeks
15:02:50 <x1sc0> due to FOSDEM
15:04:00 <x1sc0> #topic regular tasks
15:04:22 <x1sc0> so, is there anyone you would like to propose for the contributors group access ?
15:04:43 <x1sc0> I think NISZ team should be added
15:05:03 <x1sc0> buovjaga ??
15:05:09 <buovjaga> x1sc0: true. I think I could contact Durgapriyanka about it and share the flowchart
15:05:49 <x1sc0> Durgapriyanka has been really active recently
15:06:07 <x1sc0> my only concern is that she only confirms bugs
15:06:08 <buovjaga> Yep. In December and last month I have given her various little bits of advice & feedback
15:06:16 <x1sc0> without checking with older versions
15:06:44 <x1sc0> but yeah, she can have group access
15:06:53 <x1sc0> do you think we should notify this people with an email ?
15:07:01 <x1sc0> these*
15:07:17 <buovjaga> probably, if it has not been discussed with them
15:07:29 <buovjaga> sharing the flowchart https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
15:07:51 <x1sc0> #link https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/06/Prioritizing_Bugs_Flowchart.jpg
15:07:55 <buovjaga> plus some advice to just use common sense
15:08:15 <x1sc0> ok, I'll do so
15:08:20 <x1sc0> anyone else ?
15:08:36 <djredaux> #agreed
15:09:51 <buovjaga> I wish we had someone else :)
15:10:11 <x1sc0> 2 every month is not bad
15:10:54 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> I see you anyway, but can't fast write
15:11:41 <x1sc0> any wiki page that needs an urgent update?
15:12:15 <x1sc0> bearon mentioned we should create one for screen recording
15:12:47 <x1sc0> check the different options out there and collect them in the wiki
15:13:00 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> I agree on that. Would be very helpfull
15:13:04 <x1sc0> so we can point reported to it
15:13:13 <x1sc0> #todo screencast wiki page
15:13:20 <buovjaga> Nothing urgent. I will look more into the bisect skipping thing inspired by what Christian said yesterday. To figure out what strategy to suggest in what situation.
15:14:00 <cloph> #info screen recording is built-in to gnome, ctrl+alt+shift+R, same to stop (there'll be indicator in top bar)
15:14:19 <x1sc0> cloph, thanks
15:14:26 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> New video on how to... Bibisect, build LO would be usefull also
15:14:52 <x1sc0> in my case, I use simplescreenrecorder
15:14:58 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan yes, Xisco can use the bibisecting tutorial to record the video :)
15:15:00 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Video, how to send bug report
15:15:10 <x1sc0> we should collect them for the different platforms anyway
15:15:34 <x1sc0> bibisecting video tutorial is in my todo list
15:15:55 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Something short and easy
15:16:07 <x1sc0> I promise I'll do it as soon I can dedicate some time to it
15:16:22 <x1sc0> yep, then we can ask translators to add subtitles
15:16:29 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan it is easy https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisecting_tutorial
15:16:48 <x1sc0> probably I ask Mike Saunders to speak, he has a sexier voice
15:16:52 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Very easy
15:16:55 <buovjaga> yeah you need to write a narration script - remember, you don't have to speak while recording the video
15:16:58 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Yeah, i know, but it is easy video than text
15:17:11 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> It took me 2 weeks with text
15:17:34 <x1sc0> regarding 'how to report bugs', kompi shared this video today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7_T_tbGAM&feature=youtu.be
15:17:35 <IZBot> YouTube - How to Report Inkscape Bugs in GitLab by: Inkscape
15:17:39 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> And 1 hour after I seen a very old youtube video
15:17:46 <buovjaga> @BuzeaBogdan I meant the bibisecting case in the tuto is easy, so good for the vid
15:18:09 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Yes
15:18:15 <x1sc0> it's really nice, but it requires graphic skills
15:18:17 <x1sc0> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y7_T_tbGAM&feature=youtu.be
15:18:18 <IZBot> YouTube - How to Report Inkscape Bugs in GitLab by: Inkscape
15:18:55 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> I want to make short tutorials on LO but is very hard with time
15:19:08 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> We have cool designers, Andreas and Rizal, may be they can help
15:19:14 <buovjaga> I don't think we need any of those fancy pants graphics
15:19:49 <djredaux> No, but it is always nice to give a good impression.
15:20:03 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Of course
15:20:08 <buovjaga> what we need is a good narration script, so we can redo the video with drastic UI changes in whatever application
15:22:02 <x1sc0> initially we decided to wait until Bugzilla's UI would get revamped, but it seems it is taking longer than expected
15:22:10 <x1sc0> we can do it with the current Bugzilla
15:22:32 <x1sc0> then, we just update the video
15:22:37 <djredaux> It would be nice to have a common style if you are looking at making a set of videos. Which could include a common intro/exit segment.
15:23:23 <djredaux> which could be delivered to whomever is making the video as pre-existing videos/graphics.
15:23:34 <buovjaga> a Street Fighter style 3D battle with QA team member and bug monster
15:23:53 <x1sc0> yep, I'll take with Mike S. about it, he's the one making all the new features videos
15:23:53 <djredaux> LOL - not quite that maybe.
15:24:08 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> :D
15:24:12 <x1sc0> xDD
15:24:13 <buovjaga> can be Mortal Kombat, too, I'm ok with that
15:24:31 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Afk
15:25:03 <djredaux> Or a healer/doctor type theme.
15:25:28 <buovjaga> Alien theme, with bug leaping out of stomach?
15:26:03 * buovjaga takes his sedative pills
15:26:07 <x1sc0> haha why not, we just need someone to make them
15:27:26 <x1sc0> let's move on
15:27:48 <buovjaga> they can be left for version 2.0 of the video, let's do a minimum viable product first
15:28:23 <x1sc0> yep, absolutely, something useful, not fancy
15:29:45 <x1sc0> just a reminder, please do not forget to add yourself to https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief if you did something worth to mention this month
15:30:04 <x1sc0> then, it will be mention in the monthly report
15:30:19 <x1sc0> sometimes it's difficult to know what everyone is doing
15:30:27 <x1sc0> and it's a pitty not to mention it
15:30:28 <djredaux> Do you have a day of the month when that needs to be in?
15:30:41 <x1sc0> by the end of the month
15:30:49 <djredaux> OK
15:31:07 <x1sc0> I write the blog after the months ends
15:33:10 <buovjaga> so.. Bug Hunting Session is the next topic?
15:34:20 <x1sc0> yep, I added it to the regular tasks list
15:34:36 <x1sc0> nothing to mention at the moment
15:34:46 <x1sc0> it's planned for LibreOffice 6.3 alpha1
15:35:04 <x1sc0> we don't have a date yet
15:35:11 <buovjaga> ok I could talk about the little shell script I wrote
15:35:22 <x1sc0> but around April
15:35:38 <x1sc0> buovjaga, what for ?
15:36:38 <buovjaga> As our version history gets longer and longer, it is becoming more and more tedious to do initial regression testing. We know the interop tool is a thing, but Áron had the idea to use --convert-to to produced pdfs using multiple LibO installations.
15:37:24 <buovjaga> So over the last weekend, I created such a script. Since then, I have bombarded Áron with new versions, last one was today.
15:37:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 123407] Copy in Date-Cells from XLSX to ODS <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123407> || [Bug 123408] the sum of this selection is wrong, an offset of 1/100. <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123408>
15:37:43 <x1sc0> is it public ?
15:37:45 <buovjaga> I have given him the holy mission to go over it and put it in dev-tools
15:38:27 <buovjaga> x1sc0: current version is here https://uploadfiles.io/labe7
15:39:27 <buovjaga> so, it can do 1) fileopen -> PDF 2) filesave to original format -> PDF 3) filesave to different format -> PDF
15:39:55 <buovjaga> with the filesaves, you have the opportunity to inspect the document formats in addition to PDFs
15:40:03 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so it convert the files in different versions of LibreOffice ?
15:40:21 <buovjaga> x1sc0: yep, I made it use a separate .config file to make things clearer
15:40:45 <buovjaga> after today's small fix, it should work on Unix as well (I focused so much on cygwin)
15:40:59 <x1sc0> nice
15:41:22 <x1sc0> it would be nice to have a unique pdf output
15:41:23 <buovjaga> outDir in the config just has to have a trailing slash, that's all - I ran into a cool Windows version bug, that Mike K. had fixed quite recently!
15:41:39 <x1sc0> side by side, with a label of each version, to see differences
15:42:12 <buovjaga> yep, exactly: you can name the label how you want in the config file, also with "fresh" and "master" as you are updating those all the time
15:42:41 <buovjaga> I will send it to NISZ for sure after we have battle tested it more
15:43:21 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so right now you get differents pdf as outputs or just one ?
15:43:35 <buovjaga> different ones
15:44:53 <buovjaga> I thought shell script would be a cool, minimal solution. For sure I want to try the interop tool one of these days :)
15:44:54 <x1sc0> buovjaga, once I thought of a similar script. Maybe we could add a button to bugzilla to generate those files automatically...
15:44:57 <x1sc0> just a though
15:45:10 <buovjaga> aah, on the server, yeah! nice idea
15:45:27 <buovjaga> you are thinking big :D
15:46:12 <x1sc0> yep, I thought about one year ago, but I never carried it out
15:47:06 <x1sc0> we could show this button only to contributors...
15:47:23 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so you want to put it in dev-tools ?
15:48:03 <buovjaga> Yep, Áron suggested it. I try to control myself and not do any more changes and let him work on it now.
15:48:29 <x1sc0> great, we already have a qa folder -> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/qa
15:48:41 <x1sc0> if you want to put it in there
15:50:21 <x1sc0> well, and into the last topic, which I wrote incorrectly in the agenda
15:50:32 <x1sc0> #topic unconfirmed bugs
15:51:04 <x1sc0> so, after libreoffice 6.2 release, we are having many new reports
15:51:24 <x1sc0> and the number of unconfirmed bugs has increased a lot
15:51:32 <x1sc0> #link https://imgur.com/a/S1meBBZ
15:52:06 <x1sc0> so, I would like to ask everyone to help a bit with it
15:52:35 <x1sc0> this week I'm spending quite some time on it
15:53:06 <x1sc0> however, I'm taking some time off the next 3 weeks
15:53:34 <buovjaga> I am following in the footsteps of Durgapriyanka and analysing the reports she commented in :)  Mostly NISZ ones! The script is starting to help a lot
15:54:02 <buovjaga> yep, you need some time off so you can continue thinking big :)
15:54:25 <buovjaga> and not be lost in the bug swarm all the time
15:54:32 <djredaux> Having been unavailable for the last couple of weeks I'm back with some time, will put an effort into unconfirmed Calc bugs.
15:54:33 <x1sc0> idealy it should remain below 600
15:54:41 <x1sc0> or even better, below 500
15:55:11 <buovjaga> yes, that is what the doctor recommends
15:55:18 <x1sc0> hehe
15:56:47 <x1sc0> it goes without saying, I'm very thankful for the effort you put in the project
15:57:28 <x1sc0> any other thing you want to mention before we close the meeting ?
15:57:59 <x1sc0> buovjaga, I'm looking forward to using your script
15:58:14 <buovjaga> cool :)
15:59:26 <x1sc0> well, let's close the meeting. Thank you everyone for attending
15:59:55 <x1sc0> next meeting will be the last Tuesday of March
16:00:06 <x1sc0> #endmeeting