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15:00:57 <x1sc0> so let's start the QA meeting
15:01:07 <x1sc0> anyone around ? buovjaga ?
15:01:32 <buovjaga> yeah
15:01:45 <djredaux> Hola
15:02:04 <bearon> yep
15:02:06 <x1sc0> hello there
15:02:27 <x1sc0> before we start it
15:03:13 <x1sc0> I've just found https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/iTHS8NzoBF4bTDk
15:03:38 <x1sc0> did you know about it ?
15:04:21 <buovjaga> no
15:04:23 <djredaux> The shared directory? Yes, I had seen it before.
15:04:42 <bearon> nope
15:04:50 <x1sc0> first time I've been there
15:05:18 <buovjaga> oh it has walrus graphics
15:05:23 <buovjaga> in mascot
15:05:26 <x1sc0> djredaux, did you use it for anything ?
15:05:29 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 121062] The to cut a large amount of text including footnotes has increased from 15 tot 24 seconds <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121062>
15:05:46 <djredaux> x1sc0: only to park a few files.
15:07:05 <x1sc0> ok, now that we know it exists
15:07:14 <x1sc0> we could use it more
15:07:29 <x1sc0> actually it leads me to the topic I wanted to discuss
15:07:36 <x1sc0> which I mentioned in the email
15:09:08 <x1sc0> #topic monthly report
15:09:11 <x1sc0> #topic monthly report
15:09:29 <x1sc0> #link http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Libreoffice-qa-Request-for-content-to-the-next-monthly-report-td4251302.html
15:09:41 <x1sc0> buovjaga, I really appreciate your email
15:10:08 <x1sc0> i'm just wondering how we could get more people involved
15:10:15 <x1sc0> and more collaborative
15:10:36 <x1sc0> I think having a nextcloud document would be a good starting point
15:11:22 <x1sc0> on the other hand, I'm afraid people stop adding things after a few months
15:11:37 <x1sc0> actually, I haven't got any other email
15:11:39 <buovjaga> x1sc0: I thought to just repeat the email to the list every month
15:12:10 <djredaux> I think the idea of summarizing closed issues during the last month is a good one.
15:12:13 <buovjaga> list is the only mass-ping we can use sensibly :)
15:12:24 <djredaux> buovjaga: Agreed
15:12:46 <x1sc0> buovjaga, should we add the link to the shared document in the email instead?
15:13:06 <x1sc0> I mean, this way I could add new items to the document any time, so I don't forget about it
15:13:08 <buovjaga> x1sc0: well, if you find it more convenient for you blog post construction :)
15:13:59 <buovjaga> feel free to send the next monthly call for input with the link when it is time
15:14:59 <buovjaga> Users do love bug fix highlights, which is proven by the KDE weekly blogging by Nate. But we should think of any interesting phenomena to add (giving hi fives to new people etc.)
15:15:17 <buovjaga> or old people :)
15:16:39 <x1sc0> yep, I agree bug fix highlights is a good idea, but I don't want to spend one morning summing up everything from las month
15:16:52 <djredaux> Along those lines of getting new people involved - it has always seemed to me that there was a missed opportunity with the hackfests and somehow QA functions could be worked into those. (a little off topic for today I suppose)
15:17:31 <x1sc0> Ideally, I would love to just copy&paste what's in the document, created by many people
15:18:04 <buovjaga> yes, I did not mean you should become Nate :)
15:18:26 <buovjaga> that is why I want to try this crowd-sourcing thing and you can just click Publish
15:19:04 <buovjaga> so everyone gives input on things they understand and care about, thus it will be high quality
15:19:13 <djredaux> buovjaga: 'just click publish' is that a reference to the blog platform or the NC/LOOL platform?
15:19:25 <x1sc0> blog platform
15:20:01 <buovjaga> I can even edit any links to HTML markup so you don't have to fiddle with linkifying in WP
15:20:14 <buovjaga> just copy & paste & go
15:20:31 <x1sc0> yep, that would be ideal
15:21:35 <x1sc0> and regarding the content
15:21:44 <x1sc0> would something like 'At least a dozen OOXML fixes were committed.' be to general ?
15:22:39 <buovjaga> x1sc0: well, we can think about it as we go
15:22:45 <buovjaga> and based on feedback
15:23:00 <sophi> that could also be a place to collect NLP QA reports, would that be interesting?
15:23:21 <buovjaga> I wanted to convey that interop is getting love, so users understand the general movement
15:24:10 <buovjaga> sophi: do you mean like a monthly report?
15:24:42 <sophi> buovjaga: yes, where we could collect what was done on QA in local groups
15:25:55 <x1sc0> sophi, absolutely, we could add that info too
15:26:24 <buovjaga> Anything that is narrative is interesting to users. The problem was having only statistics.
15:26:36 <sophi> ok, thanks I'll pass a request to NLPs
15:26:49 <djredaux> sophi: xlsco: agreed
15:27:22 <x1sc0> the good think about statistics is they are objective
15:27:58 <x1sc0> the other way, we will always forget things to mention, but it's the way life is
15:29:03 <buovjaga> the important thing is to generate interest and user engagement
15:30:56 <x1sc0> buovjaga, I was checking nate's blog
15:31:24 <djredaux> x1sc0: is there a link for that - cause I don't know who Nate is?
15:31:36 <x1sc0> #link https://pointieststick.wordpress.com/author/pointieststick/
15:31:58 <x1sc0> in the end it seems the blog is generated automatically as well
15:32:15 <x1sc0> he just adds a screenshot or two
15:32:20 <x1sc0> which is always a good idea
15:32:22 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> one main problem is that nobody read planet.documentfoundation.org blog
15:33:06 <x1sc0> I read it :)
15:33:37 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> I had some hundreds views while on planet.kde.org I hat between 2.000 - 3.000 views
15:33:41 <buovjaga> @AndreasKainz it is not a problem as we can link to posts to get publicity :)  By linking the last post to Reddit, I got feedback and then this idea
15:34:07 <sophi> Stats of TDF blogs are quite good
15:34:43 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> All I'd like to say is that the TDF planet is not really well known (or I had to boring blogs)
15:35:37 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 121063] Dragging 3D fontwork or scroll past it or zoom in/out & in Writer is sluggish and a CPU hog <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121063>
15:36:41 <x1sc0> buovjaga, so just to have it clear, you would prefer to get rid of the current stats and talk about fixed bugs, or have both ?
15:36:53 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> In addition I also don't want to write blog posts for a 200 views e.g.
15:37:24 <buovjaga> x1sc0: I never said anything about removing stats
15:37:45 <buovjaga> "it would be nice to include some observations"
15:38:39 <x1sc0> I'm not saying you said so, just to make sure
15:39:29 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> I would like to see something like next week we'd like to fix bugs for section x. Some taskforce bug triangle
15:40:12 <buovjaga> and I do not want to talk about fixed bugs, but anything and everything that is interesting
15:40:49 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> for example
15:40:53 <x1sc0> yep, I don't think we could list all fixed bugs either, the list would be too long
15:41:39 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> I like this ideea
15:41:42 <djredaux> x1sc0:  maybe list fixed bugs with elevated severity rating
15:42:31 <x1sc0> djredaux, yep, I was thinking the same, it's also easy too collect that info
15:43:56 <buovjaga> the main idea is to get human touch in the blog posts :)
15:43:58 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> I write my blog for 100  views per day...
15:44:17 <buovjaga> kompi is a blog businessman
15:44:31 <buovjaga> do we have time for another topic?
15:44:39 <djredaux> lo-qa-tg:  I kind of like that idea also - particularly for areas of functionality with a growing number of uncomfirmed reports.
15:44:56 <sophi> the slide deck I just published on the members list has blog stats in it
15:46:25 <x1sc0> buovjaga, yes, we have
15:46:32 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Do you want read my blog?😊
15:47:03 <x1sc0> so I've created a shared document for this month
15:47:08 <x1sc0> #link https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/79818
15:47:17 <sophi> x1sc0: thanks
15:47:28 <buovjaga> I thought maybe it would make sense to have regular topics for the QA meeting. To kick ourselves in the butt in some things. Like, do we need to add people to the BZ contributors group? Do we need to update some wiki pages like QA/Team?
15:47:46 <x1sc0> it would be wonderful if everyone present in this call could add a few lines on top of buovjaga lines
15:48:33 <x1sc0> #topic regular topics
15:49:05 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> How many groups you want to make?
15:49:24 <x1sc0> buovjaga, yep, I like the idea, it would also help to have an agenda ( sorry for that, I'm a horrible host )
15:49:25 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> And what groups?
15:50:18 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> We need add achivement in BZ
15:50:32 <buovjaga> @Kompilainenn the contributors group determines who can change priority & severity to the bigger values
15:50:35 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> For example: found 50 bugs
15:50:51 <lo-qa-tg> <BuzeaBogdan> Need registration
15:51:24 <buovjaga> x1sc0: looks like you have to click a magic button to share the file
15:52:01 <djredaux> Yes if you want to make it visible to non-registered users you must create a shared link.
15:52:04 <x1sc0> I see djredaux is in the file
15:52:06 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Buovjaga: our devs don't see on seveity and priority
15:52:59 <lo-qa-tg> <Kompilainenn> Only if it's critical crash
15:53:25 <lo-qa-tg> <AndreasKainz> your post should show also the dev's what's going on and what would be needed
15:54:08 <djredaux> x1sc0: sure because I already have an account. If you make a shared public link non-registered users could see it and download it, but not edit it.
15:54:52 <buovjaga> but I believe there is a way to have it world-writable?
15:55:01 <buovjaga> like a pad
15:55:15 <djredaux> buovjaga: yes, sorry, that is an option also
15:55:37 <djredaux> choice is made when the link is created.
15:55:53 <x1sc0> I'm checking
15:57:16 <djredaux> You can also make multiple links to the same file, one with write authority, and one without and possibly one with an expiration date.
15:58:15 <x1sc0> buovjaga, any other idea that we should make recurrent ?
15:58:18 <djredaux> correction - any of the links can also be setup with an expiration time.
15:58:42 <buovjaga> x1sc0: no other ideas right now
15:59:04 <buovjaga> I am sure we will get more ideas later :)
15:59:06 <x1sc0> buovjaga, ok, for now I'll add those to the agenda, we can add new ones later on
15:59:16 <x1sc0> yep, it's a good point
16:00:41 <x1sc0> djredaux,  I don't see those options, just the share sidebar
16:00:47 <djredaux> I have one item to add for an agenda in a future gathering, but I really want to think it through a bit more - I would prefer to just follow up on the ML
16:01:22 <x1sc0> djredaux, sure
16:01:44 <x1sc0> closing the meeting
16:01:44 <x1sc0> #endmeeting