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15:01:20 <x1sc0> #topic rollcall
15:01:22 <buovjaga> hola
15:01:42 <x1sc0> hola ;-)
15:01:53 <x1sc0> let's wait 5 minutes to see if someone else shows up
15:03:15 <x1sc0> hi bearon
15:03:20 <bearon> hey
15:03:26 <bearon> i'm in time it seems :)
15:03:38 <x1sc0> yes, you are
15:03:55 <x1sc0> just waiting a few minutes for others to join
15:06:49 <x1sc0> ok, so let's get started
15:07:06 <x1sc0> buovjaga sent me a couple of topics to discuss
15:07:15 <x1sc0> so let's start with them
15:07:26 <x1sc0> #topic removal of PLEASETEST status
15:07:49 <x1sc0> buovjaga, can you share a link where this status is used?
15:08:17 <buovjaga> x1sc0: it is not used
15:08:24 <buovjaga> that is the problem
15:08:40 <buovjaga> x1sc0: check it out https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/editworkflow.cgi
15:09:07 <buovjaga> you can go from PLEASETEST to RESOLVED, but you cannot go to PLEASETEST from anywhere
15:09:30 <x1sc0> #info https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/editworkflow.cgi
15:09:33 <x1sc0> oh, I see
15:09:34 <buovjaga> a person on -dev wanted to test Android issues and tried searching for PLEASETEST.. I had never even noticed we had the status
15:09:57 * cloph lurking only
15:10:14 <x1sc0> no, I didn't know it neither
15:10:26 <bearon> i did, but didn't care ;)
15:10:39 <bearon> it had no impact
15:10:44 <buovjaga> bearon: you neglected your citizen duty :)
15:10:45 <x1sc0> ok, I can take a look at it and see if it can be removed, probably it's easy if no bugs are using it
15:10:54 <buovjaga> it is mentioned here https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status
15:11:04 <buovjaga> no bugs have ever used it, I checked (status changed to..)
15:11:21 <x1sc0> #info https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status
15:11:22 <bearon> i'd think changing the note to not use it would be easier :)
15:11:46 <cloph> if you say it is a problem that it is not used, do you want to imply that you want to keep it?
15:12:13 <bearon> cloph: that's not what he meant
15:12:35 <cloph> you never can be sure....
15:13:42 <buovjaga> if the topic is "removal of PLEASETEST status" it is pretty clear..
15:14:07 <x1sc0> actually, I should be able to change a RESOLVED bug to PLEASETEST, shouldn't I?
15:14:39 <buovjaga> x1sc0: so why can't you?
15:14:45 <x1sc0> because I don't see how to change a bug to PLEASETEST
15:14:49 <buovjaga> to quickly test https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105934
15:14:51 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 105913) Some Diacritic positioning with Graphite font not working with LO 5.3
15:14:52 <IZBot> bug 105934: LibreOffice-graphics stack major/high NEW Calculating character widths is broken for Indic text with some fonts in 5.3 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105913
15:15:48 <x1sc0> buovjaga, do you see it in tdf#105934 ?
15:15:50 <IZBot> LibreOffice-Writer normal/medium RESOLVED DUPLICATE (of 105913) Some Diacritic positioning with Graphite font not working with LO 5.3 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105934
15:15:51 <IZBot> LibreOffice-graphics stack major/high NEW Calculating character widths is broken for Indic text with some fonts in 5.3 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105913
15:16:02 <buovjaga> x1sc0: no, why should I? It is impossible to use it
15:16:29 <x1sc0> ok, I thought I could go from RESOLVED to PLEASETEST
15:16:43 <x1sc0> nevertheless, I'll try to delete it from bugzilla
15:16:54 <cloph> just because the topic is something doesn't mean someone has another opinion.  If you'd think that then there would be no point in neven discussing it as a topic.
15:17:43 <buovjaga> cloph: discuss it with myself?
15:17:50 <buovjaga> why would I disagree with myself?
15:18:31 <cloph> a) it wasn't you who set the topic/triggered topic change, b) your statement was ambiguous, c) it was clarified already. Move on.
15:18:51 <buovjaga> a) I proposed the topic b) I said "problem c) you reacted to "problem"
15:19:22 <cloph> bullshitting again, going back  to lurking, have fun going in circles then.
15:19:52 <buovjaga> cloph: I am not bullshitting you wtf.
15:19:57 <x1sc0> please stop this
15:20:35 <x1sc0> I agree with buovjaga we should remove it, bearon, do you agree as well?
15:20:45 <bearon> buovjaga: i think the problems was that it was not clear you proposed the topic
15:21:10 <buovjaga> "buovjaga sent me a couple of topics to discuss "
15:21:13 <buovjaga> etc.
15:21:29 <bearon> x1sc0: i have no preference, it causes no harm this way, but if it can be easily removed, sure
15:21:53 <x1sc0> ok, thanks
15:21:55 <cloph> again: I asked, my question was answered, no reason to shit on it anymore.
15:22:23 <x1sc0> #todo: x1sc0: Remove the status from bugzilla
15:22:33 <x1sc0> let's move on to the next topic
15:22:40 <x1sc0> proposed by buovjaga as well
15:22:56 <x1sc0> #topic: improvements to the bug submission form (user profile: safe mode, severity:how to deal with the fact that we lock them)
15:23:20 <x1sc0> buovjaga, can you explain you idea?
15:23:50 <buovjaga> in the guided submission form there is an optional field for profile reset
15:24:08 <buovjaga> now that we have 5.3 we could mention safe mode
15:24:34 <x1sc0> #idea: now that we have 5.3 we could mention safe mode
15:24:38 <buovjaga> of course it is mentioned in the wiki page.. (btw. the anchor link could be updated)
15:25:00 <x1sc0> anchor link ?
15:25:13 <buovjaga> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile#Resolving_corruption
15:26:14 <x1sc0> which link do you mean ?
15:26:21 <buovjaga> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile#Resolving_corruption
15:26:55 <buovjaga> If you're seeing a bug on just one machine or one version of LibreOffice, try following our instructions for resolving User Profile corruption and see if that fixes the problem!
15:27:25 <buovjaga> the anchor is broken because the wiki page headings were changed
15:28:04 <x1sc0> ahh ok, I see
15:28:19 <x1sc0> #todo: update anchor link in submission form
15:28:34 <cloph> in what sense is it broken? The link you gave works
15:28:39 <x1sc0> #todo: add field for profile reset
15:28:49 <x1sc0> cloph, the one in https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice&format=guided
15:28:54 <buovjaga> cloph: the link in the submission form is outdated
15:29:03 <buovjaga> it points to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile#Resolving_corruption_in_the_user_profile
15:29:12 <x1sc0> yes
15:29:18 <cloph> instead of changing the link or changing the header, you could also just add an additional anchor in the wikipage
15:30:12 <x1sc0> cloph, I think adding the field for the profile reset is a good idea, so I can update the link in the form at the same time
15:30:14 <buovjaga> after 5.2 is EOL we can edit the section in the form to only speak about safe mode
15:30:47 <buovjaga> but a field does not need to be added, it is there
15:31:01 <buovjaga> I was quoting from the description
15:31:33 <x1sc0> yes, it's there
15:32:40 <buovjaga> now, for the severity, I didn't test as a regular user, but I assume it allows to select the major and critical ones from the dropdown
15:32:41 <x1sc0> ok, I'll take a look, whether changing the form or adding an additional anchor to the wiki
15:33:31 <bearon> while we're talking about the bug submission form, could the initial table with the most common bugs be reworked?
15:33:54 <buovjaga> yeah steve-_-[m] would agree, I think
15:34:06 <bearon> because the table contradicts with what the note above it says
15:34:53 <x1sc0> yes, there's a redmine for that, it's just, I haven't spent time on it since I added the table
15:35:07 <bearon> ok, thanks
15:35:30 * x1sc0 searching for the ticket
15:35:48 <buovjaga> re: severity, I guess I could create a test user and try out what happens
15:36:04 <x1sc0> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2081
15:36:05 <IZBot> redmine: »Improve BZ wizard« in Infrastructure (Task for Xisco Fauli Tarazona) [New]
15:36:14 <IZBot> News from tdfnew: [Bug 106236] PDURATION function Constraints: rate > 0 <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106236>
15:36:34 <x1sc0> buovjaga, if you see that it's possible, could you please put a comment to the redmine ticket ?
15:36:36 <bearon> buovjaga: when i was first using it last year, i think i could only select up to normal, but of course can't say for sure now
15:37:20 <buovjaga> ok I requested new user, waiting for email
15:37:34 <x1sc0> ok, let's move on meanwhile
15:37:52 <x1sc0> bearon, is there anything you would like to discuss today?
15:38:24 <x1sc0> if not, I have a couple of things to say as well
15:38:34 <bearon> x1sc0: i was wondering about the lately frequently used highest/critical prioritization
15:39:26 <bearon> and am not sure if some of those bugs are worth highest priority, even if they're crashes
15:39:35 <bearon> and regressions (i think they were)
15:40:03 <buovjaga> even if they are regressions and crashes? :)
15:40:13 <x1sc0> yes, it's true I've been raising the priority of some bugs
15:40:31 <bearon> because some only occur in very specific, rare cases
15:40:36 <x1sc0> but because they're crashes
15:41:26 <x1sc0> anyway, I think I've only raised those which were well triaged
15:41:48 <x1sc0> IMHO, crash + regression = highest
15:42:12 <x1sc0> sooner or later someone should take a look at them and fix them
15:43:01 <bearon> that's certainly true
15:44:24 <bearon> i'd consider factoring it how much it affects users (which can hardly be measured)
15:44:24 <x1sc0> I've been going through the list of crashes these days
15:44:48 <bearon> anyway, that was just a thought from me, no big deal
15:45:18 <x1sc0> normally I bring new crashes to the esc meeting
15:45:44 <x1sc0> and since there're no new crashes this week, I'm looking into some old ones, to see if they can get fixed
15:46:00 <x1sc0> bearon, the only measure we have right now is the crashreport page
15:46:25 <bearon> i just would prefer avoiding that bugs that probably no/very few users encounter, and don't affect normal usage be given too much attention
15:47:22 <x1sc0> bearon, ok, please, if you find any which in your opinion I raised incorrectly, please let me know
15:47:36 <bearon> at least i consider entering 1000000000 in a field where it's not a sane entry not affecting normal usage :)
15:48:14 <x1sc0> bearon, but it's a regression
15:48:37 <bearon> true
15:48:47 <bearon> no biggies, we can move on
15:48:57 <x1sc0> ok
15:49:22 <x1sc0> but again, if you find a bug that should be highest, please let me know
15:49:32 <x1sc0> s/should/shouldn't
15:49:40 <bearon> okay, i will
15:49:50 <bearon> in either direction :)
15:50:01 <x1sc0> so, speaking on that regard
15:50:07 <x1sc0> #topic crashes
15:50:31 <x1sc0> this is the list of crashes we have nowadays
15:50:37 <x1sc0> #link: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=678995&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&short_desc=crash&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
15:50:53 <x1sc0> actually, not all are crashes
15:51:00 <x1sc0> but 90%
15:51:25 <x1sc0> and there're some I can't test myself
15:51:48 <x1sc0> so I leave the link to those I can't test, in case you can, and you feel like doing so
15:52:10 <x1sc0> MAC OS
15:52:17 <bearon> x1sc0: in what way do these have to be tested? because they're all NEW
15:52:26 <x1sc0> #link https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=678968&op_sys=Mac%20OS%20X%20%28All%29&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&short_desc=crash&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
15:52:41 <x1sc0> bearon, retested I meant
15:53:43 <x1sc0> x86-64
15:53:47 <x1sc0> #link https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=679000&query_format=advanced&rep_platform=x86-64%20%28AMD64%29&resolution=---&short_desc=crash&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
15:54:13 <x1sc0> bearon, or even updating the summary if they don't crash anymore
15:54:23 <bearon> ok
15:55:26 <x1sc0> and the last thing I wanted to mention
15:55:59 <x1sc0> is about LOKView bugs
15:56:06 <x1sc0> do you know how to test them ?
15:56:23 <x1sc0> we have some unconfirmed ones...
15:57:29 <bearon> x1sc0: i can ask
15:58:43 <x1sc0> bearon, there's one meta bugs as well: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106166
15:58:45 <IZBot> bug 106166: LibreOffice-LibreOffice normal/medium NEW [META] LOKDocView bugs
15:59:04 <x1sc0> bearon, ok, it would be good to have some info about how to test them
15:59:11 <x1sc0> or what to do with those bugs
16:00:08 <bearon> x1sc0: pranavk seems to know how to handle those, i'll ask him
16:00:20 <x1sc0> bearon, ok, thanks
16:00:29 <x1sc0> so, it's 16:00 already
16:00:43 <x1sc0> and I think we're done with the meeting
16:00:52 <x1sc0> thank you guys
16:01:02 <x1sc0> #endmeeting